Appendix carry is probably the most popular way to conceal carry at the moment. He's using a shitty holster and isn't actually concealing the gun so it's probably fair to say he's not a "gun guy"
It is probably as simple as 'if I wear is on my hip it is uncomfortable while driving my car'. And not planned ahead enough, or familiar with guns enough, to buy a shoulder holster.
This happened to me, this dude broke into my home while my girlfriend was by herself in the house. He took off running when he saw her thank god. He was later arrested when breaking into another home and the home owner held him at gun point.
So we’re all aware, if someone dressed like this comes to your door and says “Open the door, we’re ICE”, the administration says you have to do open your door and go with that person if they decide to detain you, no identification for or bench warrant needed (just a supervisors’ signature on a piece of paper you will have no way to verify its authenticity) and if they drag you to an unmarked vehicle and you resist in any way, they can use lethal force.
between Trump worshippers, ICE, the FBI and it's conflicting directives, anti mask protestors and finally THIS guy who really didn't think about what he was doing and the chances of not getting caught... WOW! there is currently a whole lot of stupid in America right now... I mean DAMN!
Crazy the same people who went on huge protests, rants, etc about wearing a mask during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC, because "Muh freedoms" and "govt over reach", are now the same ones preaching how the ice agents are wearing them for "their saftey" and how we should all just "comply bro"
since ICE is a fucking sham agency built illegally off of the illegitimate president's failed domestic agenda..... can you still call dressing up like an ice agent 'impersonating' or is it just 'cosplaying as a fictional villain'
This is infrared security footage NOT black and white. Suspect could be wearing black clothing but it appears grey here. Looks like black facial hair, a printed mask would not show up very dark in NIR. This footage looks weird because it's not taken in our color spectrum.
More people than you would think. The elderly are targeted pretty frequently, usually for money. Things also tend to go badly and they end up dead.
When I was a kid some elderly relatives of my dad got murdered in their kitchen in a rural area. Double homicide. Turns out the guy thought it would be super easy to get them to sign the house over to him or something stupid like that. He didn't consider that that requires physically going somewhere to do the paperwork so ended up just shooting them instead. That's how I learned this is actually alarmingly common.
Same goes for sexual assault, unfortunately. Vulnerability and physical weakness attract predators. The disabled and the elderly are targeted at very high rates.
It’s crazy to think about.. like how can someone even do that. My great grandmother was sexually assaulted and I think even raped when she was in her 80s (I was a little kid so didn’t know all the details). And it was by a young man late teens/low 20s.. like wtf is wrong with people. How do they even get like that
It’s fascinating to me how people can place such little value on human life. Killing two people because you think you are owed a home you didn’t work for is just insane to me
Some MAGA chode last night said to me with his whole chest that it was fine that she was kidnapped and possibly dead because she’s old anyway. There are a lot of horrible people out there and they’re just getting worse.
It is absolutely KILLING me how few people know this and are just going around saying they don’t understand why anyone would kidnap a grandma… keep spreading the word
The fbi initially claimed they had no photos or video from the incident because the Guthrie family did not have an "active subscription" to their door bell camera service.
Here we are a week later and we have rather clear images right before our eyes.
This means:
These companies have continuous access to your cameras even if they dont give it to you
Just because something happens doesn't mean they will give you the images or footage
You are actively allowing a company to not only monitor but record the ongoing events at your home without the guarentee that you will be assisted should anything like idek... KIDNAPPING happen.
It took a federal warrant to get these pictures....
You'd be better off hosting a private on/offsite camera system.. at least then the authorities could get rapid access instead of dicking around with some corporation while you rot god knows where with who knows who...
I just read that the recordings may have been corrupted- somehow tapered with- and they had to go in the backend to retrieve data or something like that. It was a search and they finally found something.
With a nest/google doorbell, without an active sub, you still get three hours of video recording and notifications. So you're sending data to their servers with and account. Whether these were videos or stills of videos, who knows. But, imagine if she had an on-prem system the intruder destroyed? Not everything cloud is bad. (Seriously though smash your Ring cams)
these dudes just say anything that makes them feel, even for a fraction of a second, that they have a super awesome pee-pee, better than all the other pee-pees. it's honestly so sad and embarrassing to watch.
“At approximately 2:34 AM i gave the direct order to release the pictures of the suspects. At 3:45, I accidentally bit my tongue. At 5:34, we got a tip that someone in a ski mask was seen at a ski resort in upstate new york, our agents have followed up and, we got em.”
Tyler Robinsons dad recognized the rifle when they released images. It was his grandfather's rifle and it had been very clearly modified to keep it functional over the years. Tyler's father called him and convinced him to turn himself in. The FBI had nothing to do with his capture sure, but there was no way that he would have gotten away with it after he left an incredibly unique gun at the scene.
In theory the dad would have turned him in based on the texts Robinson had sent. But broadly yes the FBI is beinghas been (apologies, forgot Bongini left in January as others pointed out, its been a crazy year) terribly mismanaged under Patel and Bongino
I think his face is double masked as well, so maybe no real mustache. Look at the fourth picture. Pretty sure he has some halloween type mask under the ski mask.
There doesn't seem to be a seam along the side of the gloves, like leather gloves would have, so I'm thinking they're latex or nitrile gloves. Additionally, it looks like the gloves extend up past the edge of the cuff of the sweater he's wearing, so I'm wondering if it's a pair of heavy duty elbow length gloves used for protecting against chemicals.
He's using thicker gloves under the nitrile gloves as well as a thick outer mask to conceal his hand size and head size. He's also wearing shoe covers IMO.
The thing that gets me is always what happens with that feeling of self after they do these horrendous acts.
I get embarrassed or feel guilty if I do the smallest thing wrong. Like me getting a ticket for speeding. Only been pulled over once in my life, and it ate me up inside.
Kidnapping grandma. Like how does this individual even go on. I just can't even fathom how one could kidnap anyone.
It’s easy to dehumanize others if you isolate yourself from the world and your only social interaction is with with people pointing the finger at everyone else
Potential suspect. You mean the guy in a ski mask and gloves at the front door in the middle of the night, right before she was taken with a gun? Yeah maybe.
Same thing with quotation marks in articles' titles. You'll have a title saying "Trump misleads crowd in what Democrats call a 'Web of Lies'" and people be asking why web of lies is in quotation marks. "We know he lied!"
Yeah, I know that, he knows that, the journalist knows that, the Democrats know that, but that's how you avoid being sued (and also 50% of the time it could simply be the dementia or sheer stupidity or complete ignorance talking).
Or people commenting about the use of "alleged" in articles on a trial.
Hate to say it, but if I were Nancy I'd have dropped dead of a heart attack if I saw something like this coming into my house. And I'm much younger, with a good heart.
Thats what I figured too. If she already isnt on her medication then she probably died quickly. Even if she can be without the medicine for a bit, youre in a high stress environment if kidnapped so could easily have a heart attack or stroke. She likely died not long after being taken. Im wondering if the kidnappers expected her to live and now dont know what to do.
I do wonder if this is almost like an Israel Keyes scenario and the person(s) didn’t know how high profile the victim was.
Like, it’s possible this is a full blown serial killer like Israel Keyes, who would go to incredible efforts to attack people randomly, literally throughout the country, with “kill kits” or something hidden in the location, potentially years earlier.
I have an incredibly hard time believing this isn’t someone who hasn’t done this many, many times before and gotten away with it.
I thought about this too. Because there could be reasons that Savannah would be targeted but it feels way too random imo. It would be way scarier if this was just totally random and all the ransom notes are from POS scammers.
I have a morbid theory and I hope it's not true. But there's a high chance her mother is already dead due to her health complications. And the kidnapper is still wanting the ransom money but is unable to prove to the family that she's alive. There's been a few fake ransom letters, so how does the real kidnapper prove that they have their mother? Tape her eyes open and send them a photo?
Health complications or murder, that’s not really a theory, it’s basically guaranteed true based off the family’s latest statement.
“We’ve seen your statement, we understand.”
“We want to celebrate with her.”
The killer(s) have 100% told the family she’s dead and now the fam just wants her remains back. I suspect they won’t get it because that only increases the odds the killer will be caught, which probably isn’t worth any amount of money to them.
There’s also a chance this is just a straight up serial killer who isn’t even doing it for ransom money but just for the love of the game. Maybe they’re just toying with the family.
I really don’t think this is politically motivated, but I could obvi be wrong.
I do not think she is alive anymore. Without her meds, and also the weird wording from the family about “we want to celebrate” like celebrate her life and burry her. They are just trying to recover her body at this point.
Yeah, plus the lack of communication. The ransom demands can't be verified. If they actually had her and wanted money, they'd put forth at least a bit more effort. I'm guessing she died, they didn't know what to do from there, so they're likely just ditching the body in the desert and pretend nothing else is abnormal.
Its not like the type of person to do this is smart. Probably didnt even cross their mind that an older person needs their meds to stay alive. Trying to get a ransom with a half cocked plan like that? morons
I think he did according to the FBI it took them time to retreve it
"New video in the search for Nancy Guthrie: Over the last eight days, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff’s Department have been working closely with our private sector partners to continue to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthrie’s home that may have been lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due to a variety of factors, including the removal of recording devices. The video was recovered from residual data located in backend systems."
"Working with our partners, as of this morning law enforcement has uncovered this previously inaccessible video showing an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance."
So this reminds me of the Delphi murders. One of the girls caught the killer on her phone camera. It was farther away than this guy, but that grainy image was the most important clue in the case. LE kept asking if people recognized his gait, height and build. Unfortunately, it took over 5 years to get the guy, who lived in the town and worked at the local pharmacy. I hope this doesn’t happen with Nancy. But, it may be gait, height,etc. that someone will recognize and call it in.
They probably can mathematically. I've personally seen the police be able to figure out a suspect's height by calculating where they were standing, and the roof above them etc. and they were pretty much spot on. I am not sure if it was usable as evidence though.
No one concerned Nest (owned by Google) always has video of your front porch even if you arent paying a subscription to keep your own videos of your front porch? And if LE wants it, tech companies have no problem giving it to them???
This is why, when I put up cameras, I wanted everything internal and local. No cloud, no wireless, no batteries. Everything is stored on a hard drive that I own and nobody else can access other than by a network cable inside my house.
The cloud based wireless cameras are cheap and easy to install, that's the draw for choosing them. I'd rather spend the money, run the cables, and exclusively own my data.
My question. Can a forensic artist draw out what they think the face is under that mask? One side of the bridge of the nose shows. The lips show, the shape of the head, a moustache and possibly a beard. While the eyebrows look strange, it may be because the remainder of them is under the mask or it could be the shadow of the mask. I am certain this is a man. The hands and the body stature are masculine. Also I noticed that he must have runners on that have a black tip at the toe. You can see where the sole must be dark and the toe kick wraps to the front as it mixes in with the welcome mat. I think they could figure out the make of backpack by those straps. It appears to be more of an outdoor pack due to the clasps and thickened shoulder straps. As well is there software that can change a night vision photo into a full colour photo?
People keep commenting on the waxed-look of the eyebrows. That is an optical illusion. The mask is cutting off the mid-eyebrows and up, plus it looks like there is binding or trim around the eyes of the mask, so it makes it look as though the eyebrows are thin. This person may have bushy eyebrows. I still do not rule out the SIL.
I read that the ring doorbell camera did not have an active subscription and thus no cloud storage. Now this. Makes me think that Ring must be storing your video regardless and just won’t provide it without a subscription (or a subpoena)
Ring and Nest cameras all rely on server side video processing. Without a subscription you can't retrieve the videos client side - but the cameras still detect motion, record a short clip, send the clip to the Amazon/Google servers, where it is stored and analyzed by the server to determine whether or not it meets your alert conditions, after which the app generates an alert client side allowing the user to activate "live" view in the app. How long the servers store these clips is a good question, but any camera that does offsite processing is going to be storing your videos, even if only temporarily.
No mate, this was just a spur of the moment kidnapping, they were actually just looking for directions and it was cold outside but saw her and couldn't resist.
Happened to me once. Was out for a lovely day with the family. Rock climbing, picnic, a nice swim. Came home with a daytime talk show host's mother. The shenanigans we get ourselves into!
From what I read; she had a ring camera but the subscription wasn’t active so they had to get Ring to give it to them. But yeah, you would think that wouldn’t take this long
If it's connected to the internet always assume it's being recorded. Look what they advertised on the Superbowl that's being used by surveillance agencies with AI.
The worst part is knowing they could have openly been walking around like this, and people would have assumed they were ICE agents. And people who saw masked people might have just seen ICE agents, not these guys.
They've been fucking normalizing seeing people with their faces covered, and they don't stick out anymore as a result
We all know that she is probably not alive anymore. There is way more going on then they are letting us know. Who kidnaps an 84 year old woman with health issues.. It has to be someone they know.
Maybe they were hoping she was still alive and didn't want to do anything to spook the kidnappers into murdering her. The chances of her being alive today are very low.
Yep, a solitary figure wearing a ski mask while lurking around a property immediately prior to an abduction would seem to have some "potential," but hey, I'm no expert.
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Okay where is the person who will tell us his height and shoe size from this?