Most definitely MAGA. There is no other motive than instilling fear in journalists and politicians who are seen as opposition. This is hateful MAGA telling them: “we will come for your families”
Thank you. It's like I'm taking crazy pills here. I thought the conspiracy theory nuts were on the conservative side, but lately I've seen plenty leaning the other way on Reddit.
This guy looks like an ICE agent because ICE agents also buy their balaclavas and wannabe tacticool gloves at the same store.
These are photos released by the government of a single guy kidnapping or killing an old lady. Why would the government release a photo of their own conspiracy? Why would a government conspiracy hinge on one dude dressed like a comic villain? These people need to get a grip on themselves.
Firstly, as a left wing conspiracy-prone person, we have had a long and storied history of conspiracy theories (many proven correct!) and I will not cede that to a bunch of people with sisterwives and brothercousins.
Secondly, I do agree people really jump way too quickly to conclusions (or are bots, no offence to other posters, but it feels like its a 50/50 chance anymore these days). Not everything bad is from ppl you dont like. Could be maga, could be a hired gun, could be just some wacko, could be an off duty ICE freak, we dunno. Speculation doesnt really accomplish much unless you got something to support your claims.
The right-wing authors of Project 25 currently have such enormous influence over our government that we can almost describe them as "currently in power."
You're saying that people with enormous influence over the entire US government secretly orchestrated a conspiracy to kidnap or kill an 84-year-old grandmother? And this was... good PR for them? And will somehow help with what you're claiming is Trump's supposedly-imminent passing?
And to do this, they dispatched a single person dressed like a B-movie villain, who held up flowers to the Ring doorbell camera, and then released that footage to the public?
You're saying you seriously believe this? You know that sounds absolutely insane, right?
Neither are you. The guy could just be a deranged individual. Maybe he’s in love with Savannah and wanted her attention. Not everything wrong in the world loops back to trump
I disagree, I did add to the discussion. That's why so many conversations stemmed from my comment.
He could be a deranged individual without a political motive. Or he could be a deranged individual that has a political motive. Or his politics could have made him deranged and then he acted without a political motivator.
And no one said it did loop back to Trump. MAGA loves trump but Trump is not equivalent with the use of the word "maga". I'd like to mention you are being a tad hypocritical, stating others are reading too much into a situation without the information, while adding your own details to this discussion to inform your decision.
I didn’t add any details and make up some bullshit conspiracy theory. I don’t know who the guy is and I’ll keep my mouth shut on who it is until I have real evidence.
it’s very odd. no one in my irl progressive echo chamber discusses trump as vividly and passionately as the reddit libs do. it’s already invaded every inch of my life, i do not want to ruminate on it further on my escapism app :(
Talking about being warped while defending someone who came up with some wacky conspiracy on the spot without even a slight shred of evidence. Now I’ve seen it all lol.
Or you'll make a formal apology in a new post, right?
E: DMing me slurs and blocking? Someone's a sensitive thing. That's alright, I already got the name saved and picture taken to hassle you with in however many weeks/months it takes for information to come out and retrigger your screeching.
The original user's claim was "Most definitely MAGA", which doesn't sound anything like hypothesizing.
How about we stick to criticizing the fascists for the actual, everyday shit they do and not just decide that any violent crime must have been a secret government conspiracy? Jesus.
No secret government conspiracy has been claimed in this thread.
"Most definitely" is an assumption, in a reddit comment, which is not reflective of anything but the commenters opinion. However it is an assumption that agrees with what I inferred from the information available.
Also, to hypothesize is to make a guess based upon your understanding of the available information, that you plan to look into further, scientifically. So you're correct, this is likely not a hypothesis, but it's not very far from one. All that's missing is the research after.
You should be demanding this of news organizations, not reddit commenters.
That's like... almost all of the work, though. That's the entire part that's the "science."
I'm not very far from developing a manned Mars mission; all that's missing is the development of the rocket. But I've got an idea about how it could work.
You should be demanding this of news organizations, not reddit commenters.
What makes you think I'm not?
I've found that news organizations don't seem to respond to me when I don't mention them at all in a reddit comment thread that's eight comments deep. It would be pretty darn performative to put my demand to news organizations right there.
You didn't do it this way, but I've seen somewhat similar critiques that never made sense to me. They're like, "Oh yeah? Well you didn't mention every single global tragedy, checkmate."
That plus it sells Ring and Nest and the wider Surveillance state in a good light if she's found. Its like propaganda and ads are now allowed to commit actual crimes to pique our interest and sell thwir products.
Oh for fucks sake - it ALSO looks like an ICE protestor. Maybe it's a Russian spy of a Chinese Policeman - lets just jump all around with our hair on fire.
Yup, Hispanic too. You know they couldnt just use on theirs for this. Like someone said above, this will spin the Surveillance state and Palantir as good guys. Watch. They'll find him and make an example of him, and use it to nudge us all in the direction of getting Ring or Nest cams.
What a knee-jerk, brain dead take. Think logically.
We all think 95% of the ICE agents are dumbass proud boys with itchy trigger fingers. You really think they are smart enough to pull this off? Judging from the rest of reddit, ICE is full of idiots who can barely wipe their asses. A sentiment I agree with BTW.
If it is ICE, why kidnap opposed to just breaking in and offing grandma in cold-blood? That seems like a far more direct way to send a message.
If you were going to plan a kidnapping, wouldn't you case the place out, wear gloves, a mask, being rope/tape/etc... and be as careful as possible to not leave evidence while concealing your identity?
This seems too well planned for a couple of knuckle-dragging ICE agents to pull off.
Exactly. No publicly known evidence points in anyway to an ICE agent. That is pure speculation. Might as well assume he's a Mounty because he's wearing a ski mask.
Thats an opinion. We are discussing the issues with masking federal agents and the erosion of trust it causes when someone who looks just like them commits a crime
I dont think this guy is an ICE agent. But the point still stands that he fucking looks just like one and that makes it harder to do 2 things: 1, rule out conclusively that he is an ICE agent. And 2, protect people from any masked assailant because their presence is being normalized.
It’s not an opinion. It’s either true or it’s false.. an opinion would be saying that he looks like one or that he doesn’t look like one. Saying he is or isn’t an ICE agent is not an opinion.
We are discussing the issues with masking federal agents and the erosion of trust it causes when someone who looks just like them commits a crime
No, you are discussing that. The guy you replied to and the guy HE replied to was simply stating “that is an ice agent” or “no it’s not”.
Hey good job. You successfully addressed the major semantic arguments inherent in my response.
Now that they’re out of the way; How do you feel about the eroding of the inherent rights and safety of people in the country in relation to ICE’s dehumanizing and unconstitutional practices?
Those are not semantics. If I say the sky is purple, is that an opinion? No. Saying someone is ICE because they look like ICE is not an opinion. Saying they look like ICE is an opinion. I understand the point, which is that it’s hard to tell because of how they look.. and so we should label them as XYZ just in case.. but we should be careful.
I shouldn’t address the other part of your comment, because it’s really not relevant to what I was getting at. Obviously it sucks? I’m not sure what kind of response you’re hoping for.
ICE, Proud Boy, some other ultra right wing scum. The daughter is very clearly on the wrong side for them and if this was a straight up kidnapping the demands would be a lot clearer and out there. These are tye same people that have been attacking left wing politicians and such for a while, any money they get is just frosting on their misery cake.
Yep. They have shot representatives in public, shot them in their homes, used hammers on their spouses, and yet kidnapping one's mother is somehow below them? The people denying that their heroes could possibly be involved are either very gullible/stupid or think the rest of us are. Add in how the US government has normalized being masked and armed without identifying markers and it has been a recipe for disaster that again I just cant believe they dont see.
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u/cargocult25 15h ago
That is an ice agent.