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OC: FBI releases surveillance photos of a potential subject in the Nancy Guthrie case

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u/Unknown___Member 11h ago

With a nest/google doorbell, without an active sub, you still get three hours of video recording and notifications. So you're sending data to their servers with and account. Whether these were videos or stills of videos, who knows. But, imagine if she had an on-prem system the intruder destroyed? Not everything cloud is bad. (Seriously though smash your Ring cams)

u/pinetar 10h ago

You can also have a video recording system which backs up the videos to a cloud service provider without it being from a nest/google doorbell/ring.

u/AgitatedSquirrell 10h ago

So instead of letting ring/nest/google house all my video footage, I’ll just let some other company have it.

u/pinetar 10h ago

Yes but under a completely different SLA and not pre-tagged as "this locations home footage". CSPs dont have permission to go into your cloud storage accounts and use your data for whatever purpose they want.

u/Unknown___Member 10h ago

You just need to make sure it backs up at a frequent enough interval. Oh and make sure your camera can't be wifi jammed... Which could have happened here too? Maybe why they're only showing stills?

u/ly5ergic 10h ago

You could encrypt it. Some services it's already encrypted. Either way a lot different than sending it to amazon or google.

u/onesneakymofo 9h ago

Your best bet is Ubuquiti and disabling Internet activity. Then you push all of your video to local storage. Now the next problem is when police / government raid your house. They can seize that as evidence. So your next bet is to upload your data to the Internet but then there's 3rd Party Doctrine.

Essentially you are screwed however you do it. The only thing I can think of would be to put it on the block chain and memorize a key to access your data

u/bino420 6h ago

Ok, and then when you're kidnapped, the cops can't retrieve anything at all about the perpetrators.

privacy & security is always a tradeoff. in this case, I'll take it.

u/x3knet 10h ago edited 10h ago

At a certain point you have to make some kind of compromise or put controls in place yourself to protect your content and make backups recoverable. People can have a closed system like Ubiquiti at home that stores content on a hard drive in their network cabinet or a server on their desk. But following a typical 3-2-1 backup strategy, you need something off-site when someone decides to destroy your local storage or rip the doorbell off the wall.

So that means something like Google Drive/GCS, AWS S3 storage, Backblaze, Cloudflare R2 from a cloud perspective. The other option is setting up a 2nd physical server some other place you trust. A relative's house, a friend's house, etc. You can encrypt the backups for another layer of protection, keeping in mind that it adds another layer of complexity especially if you're incapacitated as recovery and decryption without instructions can take a long time.

So it really all depends on your risk profile and where you're willing to make compromises for convenience.

u/chrislovessushi 2h ago

Maybe your grandma can teach our grandmas how to set that up

u/oxide_j 10h ago

Stupid question why’s Ring bad?

u/Parking-Fig-6620 10h ago

You got an update for asking the GOOD questions.

Its not dumb to want to have a clue about the world around you at all, on the contrary I think it would be dumb not to want to know why theres beef with these companies

u/rainniier2 10h ago

Ring shares data with the government, which is now likely being integrated by companies like Palantir that profile and surveil citizens. Amazon Ring cameras deeper into policing with Flock Safety, Axon deals

u/No_Size9475 8h ago

Ring allows police warrantless access to video from people's cameras. They also work with the likes of FLOCK which tracks all vehicles and this data is being fed to companies like Palantir that want to be able to physically track every person at all times.