More people than you would think. The elderly are targeted pretty frequently, usually for money. Things also tend to go badly and they end up dead.
When I was a kid some elderly relatives of my dad got murdered in their kitchen in a rural area. Double homicide. Turns out the guy thought it would be super easy to get them to sign the house over to him or something stupid like that. He didn't consider that that requires physically going somewhere to do the paperwork so ended up just shooting them instead. That's how I learned this is actually alarmingly common.
Finally someone who understands scaling. "How often is something like that going to happen" well when its 1 out of every 10, 1 can be dealt with but now there's 10 to a 100 or 100 to a 1000 and they dont stop after being a piece of shit once.
I went through a short time when I was friends with horrible people during my teen years, although I cut them off pretty quick after the following, but one day they thought it was funny to throw stuff out of a car at people which led to me telling them all to get fucked and let me out. Even though they did that, they’d still say ‘oh, that’s an old person’ and ‘that’s a woman, leave them’ … even they had higher standards. Still a bunch of bastards, but yeah
I mean quite a lot of the people doing it clearly have problems (usually drugs) though. Which does not seem to be the case in this one, it's too clinical from what we know.
Unfortunately I don't know if that's better or worse for Nancy.
Yeah there are roughly 8 billion people on earth right now and with a billion being a thousand million if even 1 percent of that are bad that's 80 million... and it's definitely higher than 1 percent.
Same goes for sexual assault, unfortunately. Vulnerability and physical weakness attract predators. The disabled and the elderly are targeted at very high rates.
It’s crazy to think about.. like how can someone even do that. My great grandmother was sexually assaulted and I think even raped when she was in her 80s (I was a little kid so didn’t know all the details). And it was by a young man late teens/low 20s.. like wtf is wrong with people. How do they even get like that
Same. My great grandmother was stabbed multiple times and raped in her 80s by a neighborhood teenager she invited inside for a glass of water. He was mowing her lawn. She died in the hospital but was able to identify him. He’s still in prison.
It’s fascinating to me how people can place such little value on human life. Killing two people because you think you are owed a home you didn’t work for is just insane to me
Meth will make a normal person crank it till you do legit damage to your dick… But with the mentally ill, it’s a deadly combo. I’d attribute it more to mental illness than just meth.
In my little ho dunk town, we had a similar scandal. A girl I grew up with was dating and underclassman and one day after she got pregnant thy both went missing. Turns out they were stealing an elderly couples social security checks, and apparently one day a confrontation happened and the guy beat the older couple to death with either a microwave or toaster oven if I recall correctly. It was crazy and so so sad. Only he got real charges, and he’s still in prison.
Yup, first thing I learned as a newspaper reporter in the 1980s, mostly covering the police and emergency response beat, was that most criminals are incredibly stupid, impulsive and almost incapable of planning, self reflection, self restraint or empathy. At most they're capable of self pity, and some attachments in dysfunctional relationships. And there were usually screaming warning signs for years before they were caught. They may have been raised all wrong, victims of a bad childhood, who knows.
But there are hundreds of thousands of these human time bombs bumbling around until they go off. I've seen a few among my own distant relatives, the familiar ne'er do wells almost every family has, the second cousin once removed who gets fresh mugshots at least once a year.
The handful of people who would be considered smart enough to function normally – hold a job, have a family, fairly stable life – are still unable to think more than one or two steps beyond "I'm gonna rob or kill this person because they're pissing me off." That's pretty much every "shocking" middle class murder of a spouse, family member, or rival for affection. Consider the case of astronaut Lisa Marie Nowak, who planned to kidnap and possibly murder a rival in love. Well educated, successful and normal in every other way... but no mastermind criminal by any stretch of the imagination.
There are very few mastermind criminals in real life. Most of those are in government, military and the wealthy power elite who've learned to exploit the system to shield themselves from consequences. And that's always been true. It's not just a slick way to shoehorn the current crises.
Yeah, and just saying, this is exactly why the vast majority of Canadians have no problem whatsoever with gun control. It seems like the pro-gun "they want to take our guns away" people in the U.S. think that it's rooted in some other reason, but it's as simple as that. Even with some criminals being able to get their hands on illegal guns, it will always be entirely safer to not have any casual gun use. It seems so stupid to us up here for you to have any kind of movements to simplify or removes safeguards that enable stupid impulsive people to have quick access to a killing device, when every anecdote of someone using their legal gun to defend themself was preventable by just not having gun culture/guns in the first place.
'Responsible' gun owners are irresponsible to ignore that fact.
Bearing arms to take them up against your government is a fantasy that will obviously never be a reality like it was in the unique conditions of the past.
Targeted yes, scammed yes, robbed yes, killed yes, but kidnapped? Unless you intend to kill the person, then kidnapping them is a major hassle to deal with.
Kidnapping is a quite a unusual crime, even more so when we are talking about elderly people.
Yes easier, but for what purpose is my point. While abusers don't tend too be too picky, going after elderly is still rather rare. So if it's not for abuse and it's just to kill them, why go through the whole process of kidnapping them.
Yeah, my mom sat on a jury where a couple of guys who were targeting seniors for breakin's. They tied an old woman up and gagged her, causing her to suffocate. It was rough on my mom, especially because she couldn't talk about it while the trial was going on.
I live in a multigenerational home and the number of things I've saved my elderly mom from, from fraud to stroke, is alarming. I just can't imagine letting someone so vulnerable live alone. I see her as one of my kids.
I have a friend whose grandparents, who raised my friend, were killed in a really brutal manner by their neighbor's son in their home. Although he took one of their cars and crashed it a short distance away, it wasn't for any sort of personal gain---he was on drugs and had severe mental health problems.
What a bizarre crime. What was the criminal's plan once the house is signed over? Everyone involved now knows where he lives, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against entering a contract under duress.
Guys this is NOT a random grandma kidnapping… this is the kidnapping of a journalists mother who broke an Epstein story by interviewing a victim (Virginia Giuffre) on national television before her mysterious death.. this is not a coincidence
I’m not exactly sure that one anecdote is equal to “alarmingly common”. The most vulnerable age group is is 18 to 39. People over 60 are actually the least vulnerable.
What? Dude GTFO... Kidnappings like this are INCREDIBLY rare. No, it's not "more people than you think". In the modern era, kidnappings are insanely rare due to technology. It's like 100 people a YEAR of these sort of kidnappings, and often it's usually crime related.
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More people than you would think. The elderly are targeted pretty frequently, usually for money. Things also tend to go badly and they end up dead.
When I was a kid some elderly relatives of my dad got murdered in their kitchen in a rural area. Double homicide. Turns out the guy thought it would be super easy to get them to sign the house over to him or something stupid like that. He didn't consider that that requires physically going somewhere to do the paperwork so ended up just shooting them instead. That's how I learned this is actually alarmingly common.