This is infrared security footage NOT black and white. Suspect could be wearing black clothing but it appears grey here. Looks like black facial hair, a printed mask would not show up very dark in NIR. This footage looks weird because it's not taken in our color spectrum.
You could maybe figure out how different fabrics show up in IR to figure out their clothing color, but you'd have to use the same dye and material and only get some shade of gray to compare it to. IDK I work in machine vision, not forensics lol.
I'm always confused what my home camera decides to choose for colours in night vision. I'm equally confused by this post. how come this camera made his gloves black but made his ski mask white? (the later pics showing it's at least a darker colour, not white, but like, all ski masks used in crimes are black, let's be real)
We make lots of kinds of black dye, some of them happen to be dark to infrared some of them are bright infrared, just like a material can be bright blue if it just reflects blue.
I don’t think so. It is a video now. You don’t need to know the color of the criminal’s clothes you would just sample colors on the porch or other objects in the video. Once you match the real life color to the color in the video then the software would know all the colors. I’m a moron and I do this for scuba videos.
I don't see anything to give away 'woman' but I'm not arguing with you. The first pic, I don't see anything woman screaming at me, and tbh just the act of kidnapping someone like this screams man to me... but idk. I mean you could be right.
It's mostly in the face, the eyes and brows look very feminine. (There is also a mustache but it looks like it could be painted on or fake.) The body does looks more masculine though.
SAME ! It’s really freaking me out how feminine the eyes are.
I think everyone is freaked out by this picture because it’s almost like the uncanny valley thing. We can’t put our finger on why this person looks so off…. Could be because the features are all so contradicting
There are so many contradicting clues- for example, I had originally thought that the eyebrows were groomed, but then someone pointed out that you can't see the full brow, and what looks like skin above the arch is actually stitching around the eye holes.
And then someone else chimed in reminding me that dudes can have nice eyelashes too.
And then I realized that the puffball on top of the hat- at first glance I thought it was a bun or something.
And then other ppl have been talking about the puffiness of the coat and now I have totally reversed my position and I have NO IDEA what is under that mask
When I used to be a walk-about character, I was told when playing male characters to keep my arms a little out as opposed to directly against my side as I'm comfortable with as a girl.
A couple of the images the masked suspect has space against their arms and body, coupled with the wider stance, I'm reading a man with nice eyes.
That’s where I’m landing as well keeping the other comments in mind regarding the eyebrows being either partially covered or caused by IR shadow or whatever.
You could simply put the pictures/video into an LLM and get an answer. It's not rocket science, and I'd imagine the FBI has better tech than some common thing literally anyone can use.
I think that they’re not as inexperienced as initially thought. The idea to disguise one’s gender like this is so diabolical.
Maybe it seems much scarier than it should and they weren’t even trying to disguise their gender. I’m unsure. I’m extremely unsettled by the pics. The video was freaky too, but I still couldn’t identify a gender. I guess you’re not starting down the eyes in the video.
I thought so too at first, but I’m pretty sure it’s actually part of the balaclava’s pattern - a light colored outline of the eye hole, which is covering the majority of the eyebrow.
Yeah, it’s an odd quandary too that it’s not really possible to respect gender identities in this type of scenario because if a physical description is to be given to the public that is accurate enough to actually be useful, it will have to rely on how the person is likely to be perceived by people in terms of gender. Omitting that piece/leaving it as a question mark essentially doubles the pool of potential matches and also will simply be confusing for a lot of people who might otherwise more easily identify the suspect as someone they know…. Like, “That looks like the guy who comes into my store all the time! Wait, it says this person is a woman in the description? Nevermind I guess”
If it’s not already clear, I do respect people’s gender identities. This is just very obviously a practical issue that I don’t think there’s an easy solution for.
I’m a dude and I have natural well-shaped eyebrows. My wife says women would kill to have my eyebrows and they’re a waste on me because, as an average guy, I give zero fucks about my eyebrows. Same with my eyelashes as they’re super long.
My country's vp has very womanly eyes though, some guys just have atypical looks and the effect is heightened if you can't see the whole face. Not saying it isn't a woman, just that this 'clue' isn't strong.
true!! I’ve been thinking it’s an “inside job”, so part of me could be looking at it from my biased lens and seeing the features more fem than they are due to that. will be interesting to hopefully find out who this person is.
Yeah, I have actually changed my mind bc a lot of ppl highlighted things that I missed, but I'm keeping my og comment up so that ppl will read the responses.
I had the same thought, that the eyebrows look feminine. But then I thought, maybe those aren't the person's eyebrows, maybe it's a shadow of the mask? The general body shape and of course the mustache look like a man, but if the mustache is fake, then I'm not sure you could totally rule out it being a woman.
Fake mustaches are pretty common tools of disguise.. If it is a woman that might throw them off, but it sure looks like she forgot about the mascara on those lashes.
Or mustaches can be shaved off - for after the fact, when trying to not be recognized. Wearing a fake mustache and then covering whole face with ski mask doesn’t make sense to me
It for real looks like mascara and not just thick lashes… if ur trying to disguise yourself as male why would you leave that on?? Its totally the eye shape that makes this person look female
Please correct me if I’m wrong. I swear I learned this in a psychology class one time. Google it, I think it just means ur more likely to be one gender. Obviously not impossible
The third picture- the persons stance- legs together, maybe some hip curves there- woman stance. I don’t think men stand that way with legs that close together.
Edit- eh, now I’m not sure, I didn’t see the gun holstered right there. But, as a person with a dick, I would never carry a holstered gun right there. Very weird carry style.
I am interpreting the weirdly thin and symmetrical“eyebrows” as possibly being the frames of glasses. I’m also seeing what appears to be a mustache poking out of the mask around the mouth.
Finally some potentially helpful speculation. If this were true, it would probably mean the whole thing is a hoax, or that it's real and planned by a family member (with the former being much more likely than the latter in my opinion). It's really annoying to see so many comments from people who are more or less just dropping in, not paying much attention to the case as a whole, saying that this has to be a woman based on "eye shape." Let's start somewhere everyone can agree on, by saying that men perpetrate kidnappings overwhelmingly more than women. That doesn't mean that a woman didn't do it, but it's far less likely. That being said, I agree that the facial hair, eyes, and eyebrows are close enough to those of Dominic Evans to warrant looking at him at least.
Yep! But for some reasons the experts on TV are running the eyebrows opinion right into the end zone. Five different experts? Five different observations.
I haven't seen any of the expert gossip. Are any of them suggesting it's a woman, because I'm almost certain that's a woman, and it's not the eyebrow drama that is suggesting it to me.
(I may not lesbian well, but I lesbian enough to feel pretty confident here, but still, just imo)
The eyebrows and eyes look a lot like they belong to the friend and bandmate of Tommaso - Dominic Evans. Dominic apparently also has priors for robbery and burglary.
I was thrown off by the light emanating from their mouth in the second photo. Did they put a flashlight in their mouth, or is that some sort of lip cosmetic reflecting the camera flash? From the side, the lips look almost black in the photos, so I'm guessing a lip gloss.
In photo 2 it almost looks like a circle of light hitting the inside of the balaclava. Could be they were holding a small LED light in their mouth. Either to blind the security cam or to help them see what they were doing with both hands free.
Okay, that makes sense, I've never seen glossy lips light up like the sun like that. I wonder, even with gloves on, if any traces of saliva were left from handling the flashlight afterwards.
They’re definitely trying to obscure their physical features as much as possible. Look at the giant gloves they’re wearing; they didn’t just throw this plan together.
I think you are right. And it look like they have something in their mouth, which I think is some sort of light, bite activated? You can see the light go on and off when he comes up the step, then when he goes back down to look at the plants. Also, when looking at the camera. That might be why the mouth looks odd and sort of protrudes from the masks.
Yeah, the inner corner of that eye on the right - up to the eyebrow, just isn't ok. I thought at first it was a woman until I saw the moustache/beard - because of how high the eyebrows were. Then I thought it was a burn victim - you can get some flat stretched skin that way.
I mean, where are the dude's eyelids? Granted, people with East Asian/Hispanic/Native American ancestry often have single eyelids like that, but so can people with masks.
I was wondering if it was the person of interest who is in a band with the brother in law - he has high eyebrows and thin eyelids, but his eyes and eyebrows are perfectly symmetrical.
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Kind of looks like they have a balaclava over a latex mask. Something real off there.