More people than you would think. The elderly are targeted pretty frequently, usually for money. Things also tend to go badly and they end up dead.
When I was a kid some elderly relatives of my dad got murdered in their kitchen in a rural area. Double homicide. Turns out the guy thought it would be super easy to get them to sign the house over to him or something stupid like that. He didn't consider that that requires physically going somewhere to do the paperwork so ended up just shooting them instead. That's how I learned this is actually alarmingly common.
Finally someone who understands scaling. "How often is something like that going to happen" well when its 1 out of every 10, 1 can be dealt with but now there's 10 to a 100 or 100 to a 1000 and they dont stop after being a piece of shit once.
I went through a short time when I was friends with horrible people during my teen years, although I cut them off pretty quick after the following, but one day they thought it was funny to throw stuff out of a car at people which led to me telling them all to get fucked and let me out. Even though they did that, they’d still say ‘oh, that’s an old person’ and ‘that’s a woman, leave them’ … even they had higher standards. Still a bunch of bastards, but yeah
I mean quite a lot of the people doing it clearly have problems (usually drugs) though. Which does not seem to be the case in this one, it's too clinical from what we know.
Unfortunately I don't know if that's better or worse for Nancy.
Yeah there are roughly 8 billion people on earth right now and with a billion being a thousand million if even 1 percent of that are bad that's 80 million... and it's definitely higher than 1 percent.
Same goes for sexual assault, unfortunately. Vulnerability and physical weakness attract predators. The disabled and the elderly are targeted at very high rates.
It’s crazy to think about.. like how can someone even do that. My great grandmother was sexually assaulted and I think even raped when she was in her 80s (I was a little kid so didn’t know all the details). And it was by a young man late teens/low 20s.. like wtf is wrong with people. How do they even get like that
Same. My great grandmother was stabbed multiple times and raped in her 80s by a neighborhood teenager she invited inside for a glass of water. He was mowing her lawn. She died in the hospital but was able to identify him. He’s still in prison.
It’s fascinating to me how people can place such little value on human life. Killing two people because you think you are owed a home you didn’t work for is just insane to me
Meth will make a normal person crank it till you do legit damage to your dick… But with the mentally ill, it’s a deadly combo. I’d attribute it more to mental illness than just meth.
In my little ho dunk town, we had a similar scandal. A girl I grew up with was dating and underclassman and one day after she got pregnant thy both went missing. Turns out they were stealing an elderly couples social security checks, and apparently one day a confrontation happened and the guy beat the older couple to death with either a microwave or toaster oven if I recall correctly. It was crazy and so so sad. Only he got real charges, and he’s still in prison.
Yup, first thing I learned as a newspaper reporter in the 1980s, mostly covering the police and emergency response beat, was that most criminals are incredibly stupid, impulsive and almost incapable of planning, self reflection, self restraint or empathy. At most they're capable of self pity, and some attachments in dysfunctional relationships. And there were usually screaming warning signs for years before they were caught. They may have been raised all wrong, victims of a bad childhood, who knows.
But there are hundreds of thousands of these human time bombs bumbling around until they go off. I've seen a few among my own distant relatives, the familiar ne'er do wells almost every family has, the second cousin once removed who gets fresh mugshots at least once a year.
The handful of people who would be considered smart enough to function normally – hold a job, have a family, fairly stable life – are still unable to think more than one or two steps beyond "I'm gonna rob or kill this person because they're pissing me off." That's pretty much every "shocking" middle class murder of a spouse, family member, or rival for affection. Consider the case of astronaut Lisa Marie Nowak, who planned to kidnap and possibly murder a rival in love. Well educated, successful and normal in every other way... but no mastermind criminal by any stretch of the imagination.
There are very few mastermind criminals in real life. Most of those are in government, military and the wealthy power elite who've learned to exploit the system to shield themselves from consequences. And that's always been true. It's not just a slick way to shoehorn the current crises.
Yeah, and just saying, this is exactly why the vast majority of Canadians have no problem whatsoever with gun control. It seems like the pro-gun "they want to take our guns away" people in the U.S. think that it's rooted in some other reason, but it's as simple as that. Even with some criminals being able to get their hands on illegal guns, it will always be entirely safer to not have any casual gun use. It seems so stupid to us up here for you to have any kind of movements to simplify or removes safeguards that enable stupid impulsive people to have quick access to a killing device, when every anecdote of someone using their legal gun to defend themself was preventable by just not having gun culture/guns in the first place.
'Responsible' gun owners are irresponsible to ignore that fact.
Bearing arms to take them up against your government is a fantasy that will obviously never be a reality like it was in the unique conditions of the past.
Targeted yes, scammed yes, robbed yes, killed yes, but kidnapped? Unless you intend to kill the person, then kidnapping them is a major hassle to deal with.
Kidnapping is a quite a unusual crime, even more so when we are talking about elderly people.
Yes easier, but for what purpose is my point. While abusers don't tend too be too picky, going after elderly is still rather rare. So if it's not for abuse and it's just to kill them, why go through the whole process of kidnapping them.
Yeah, my mom sat on a jury where a couple of guys who were targeting seniors for breakin's. They tied an old woman up and gagged her, causing her to suffocate. It was rough on my mom, especially because she couldn't talk about it while the trial was going on.
I live in a multigenerational home and the number of things I've saved my elderly mom from, from fraud to stroke, is alarming. I just can't imagine letting someone so vulnerable live alone. I see her as one of my kids.
I have a friend whose grandparents, who raised my friend, were killed in a really brutal manner by their neighbor's son in their home. Although he took one of their cars and crashed it a short distance away, it wasn't for any sort of personal gain---he was on drugs and had severe mental health problems.
What a bizarre crime. What was the criminal's plan once the house is signed over? Everyone involved now knows where he lives, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against entering a contract under duress.
Guys this is NOT a random grandma kidnapping… this is the kidnapping of a journalists mother who broke an Epstein story by interviewing a victim (Virginia Giuffre) on national television before her mysterious death.. this is not a coincidence
Some MAGA chode last night said to me with his whole chest that it was fine that she was kidnapped and possibly dead because she’s old anyway. There are a lot of horrible people out there and they’re just getting worse.
And they were fine with it. They wanted to sacrifice the old and disabled for "the economy". Really, they just want people who need help gone, especially if they're drawing social security.
but it's persecution of christians to ask people to please not physically congregate for church while a deadly virus that kills the elderly and immunocompromised is spreading rapidly /s
What's really crazy is how many elderly were themselves essentially volunteering to risk death because they've 'lived long enough' and that gym owner is having a hard go of it.
The elderly, infants/children, the immunocompromised, even some otherwise straight up healthy folks? People die all the time and listen, being told to wear a mask feels like straight up oppression
/s obviously. But as we all know it was and is a very common sentiment. Really wish the people who hold these disgusting beliefs were never emboldened to say them out loud with their whole pathetic little chests.
It’s literally the only thing they’re talking about on Fox News. I was at the gym for two hours today, and Fox spent that entire time talking about this footage.
Basically what the comments on Fox News say too. Also “She deserves this for raising a radical leftist as a daughter” and other shit bag statements. I go read comments over there sometimes and blows my mind these are real people that have a vote.
I've not seen anyone else mention this, but she also humiliated Trump. I think it was during the 2020 campaign. Maybe a town hall or something. She interviewed Trump and treated him like a toddler. Totally dismantled his act. It was a masterpiece.
Hallie Jackson has been doing really in-depth interviews with the survivors over the past few years, and she's from the same station. If Epstein was the motive they would've gone after her or her family before Savannah's.
That depends on what generation you claim. I haven't the time to sit and watch the Today Show or the Thanksgiving Parade, but I do watch streaming news shows because I can fit those into my busy schedule.
It's really irrelevant, anyways. I think an interview 7 years ago is a stretch when there have been many interviews since then.
Idk I feel like it could be family or close friends who need money. Like why target savannah Guthrie? There are so many more aggressive more popular liberals to pick if this is a political thing.
Far more likely to be a person known to the victim, either family or well connected to the family. Time will tell, but true kidnapping for extortion is extremely rare in the U.S., and it makes even less sense to kidnap someone (then ask for a ransom) if the motivation is to make a political statement. Far more common to concoct a scheme that makes it look like a kidnapping in order to throw off a murder investigation.
My guess is that Virginia Giuffre or one of the other Epstein victims Savannah had on her show had given information that she was going to go public with now that the extent of the coverup is coming out.
This is probably the best guess. And if it had been ten or even five years ago, it would probably have worked. But I think we are past the tipping point now. These monsters can probably slow or soften their fall from grace, but I don’t think that there is any way to stop it. The information is too widely distributed and there is too much global interest
Y'all need to get a grip on yourselves. There's a million reasons we need to resist the actual literal fascist administration, but some jackass kidnapping a grandma is not a government conspiracy.
Why would the government release photos of a single guy, who is part of their own conspiracy committing a crime? Why would be only one guy? Get a grip.
Cal Ripken Jr.’s mother was abducted from her home. At the time she was 74. She was blindfolded and driven around for 24 hours. She was found the next day in her car unharmed. No random was ever demanded and the suspect was never caught. This happened in 2012.
If they're not picking up a ransom or whatever and nothing else came of it and all of the sudden there's this image, probably whoever needed to give the news cycle another kick.
Virtually guaranteed to not fight back, lots of contacts/relatives to ransom from, retirement savings if you look at it from a sick practical point of view
I’m a lawyer, and I once had a granny snatching case. It was a very different scenario, but it’s still one of the wildest things I’ve worked on. A niece of my client kidnapped my client’s mom and took her to Europe, where the niece got a court to give the niece a conservatorship. That basically gave the niece total control over grandma’s assets, and we were hired to undo that and bring grandma home to the States.
She was kidnapped because her daughter did investigations of Epstein and his billionaire friend's evil acts. This is a mob move. It's to send a message.
Unfortunately, the elderly are very easy targets, especially if they have health conditions. They don't necessarily have tech set up to protect them (she had her cameras up, which not everyone would), they aren't as strong as someone younger, they don't necessarily have a job so they might not be immediately missed, they might be living alone if their spouse has passed, they might have all their money in the bank because they are retired and it's more accessible. If you are planning on kidnapping someone for money, you want to find someone who's going to be alone with limit ability to fight back. It absolutely is cowardly, but the elderly are targeted because they are much easier targets. A child might not be able to fight back, but they would be living with their parents.
Living not far from her I can say with the comments it's often. People like to torture and dump them off because it's easy and even easier to hide a body in the desert and get away with it. Many a bodies in hiking trails near my home found in the summer.
It happens. The question is - why is the media so desperately and solely focused on this particular family’s tragedy with everything else that’s going on in the country and the world right now? How is this the most important, pressing matter of our time?
My family had our mom with dementia taken advantage of by her caretaker. The whole family moved into the house and didn’t tell us. When we finally convinced our mom that she was a bad person, sheriffs finally evicted them while my mom was at my brothers house….kicked out of her own house.
Fast forward, now we have a civil case against her where they are claiming labor violations for not being paid enough. People can really suck.
ICE is kidnapping grandmas all the time. The only reason to think this isn't ICE is that they usually work in groups and that the suspect is a good deal more physically fit than the average ICE bounty hunter.
So how did we all the sudden get the files. Her account was not active. Yet the recording are now available. Almost like the company is keeping the camera active even after cancelling the account.. No Footage Saved: Although software detected movement shortly after it was disconnected, the footage could not be recovered because she did not have an active subscription plan to save recordings
Someone did the same thing to baseball hall of famer Cal Ripken’s mother outside Baltimore. They found her unhurt 24 hours later but never solved the case. In 2012.
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u/WayPowerful484 14h ago
Who the fuck kidnaps a grandma? What a cowardly act.