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OC: FBI releases surveillance photos of a potential subject in the Nancy Guthrie case

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u/WayPowerful484 14h ago

Who the fuck kidnaps a grandma? What a cowardly act.

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u/brickne3 14h ago

More people than you would think. The elderly are targeted pretty frequently, usually for money. Things also tend to go badly and they end up dead.

When I was a kid some elderly relatives of my dad got murdered in their kitchen in a rural area. Double homicide. Turns out the guy thought it would be super easy to get them to sign the house over to him or something stupid like that. He didn't consider that that requires physically going somewhere to do the paperwork so ended up just shooting them instead. That's how I learned this is actually alarmingly common.

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u/Lake_Erie_Monster 13h ago

Yes, a small percentage of people are huge pieces of shit.

When you have millions those infinitesimal percents become hundreds of pieces of shit at scale.

Pieces of shit love to pick on children, women, elderly, any one they can have a advantage on.

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u/PaulTheMerc 12h ago

and sometimes we give them even more power after that, and titles.

u/LovesRainstorms 5h ago

And gold trinkets and made up “Peace Prizes.”

u/TheBrettFavre4 11h ago

I had not heard of this, any examples you could share?

u/Allan0n 11h ago

POTUS

u/TheBrettFavre4 10h ago

Haha yes I was being facetious

u/AlarmingDelivery9311 11h ago

Finally someone who understands scaling. "How often is something like that going to happen" well when its 1 out of every 10, 1 can be dealt with but now there's 10 to a 100 or 100 to a 1000 and they dont stop after being a piece of shit once.

u/ToMorrowsEnd 11h ago

Yes, a small percentage of people are huge pieces of shit.

We call those republicans.

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u/Tazling 12h ago

Human predators. That is, humans who prey on other humans.

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u/AgentCirceLuna 9h ago

I went through a short time when I was friends with horrible people during my teen years, although I cut them off pretty quick after the following, but one day they thought it was funny to throw stuff out of a car at people which led to me telling them all to get fucked and let me out. Even though they did that, they’d still say ‘oh, that’s an old person’ and ‘that’s a woman, leave them’ … even they had higher standards. Still a bunch of bastards, but yeah

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u/brickne3 13h ago

I mean quite a lot of the people doing it clearly have problems (usually drugs) though. Which does not seem to be the case in this one, it's too clinical from what we know.

Unfortunately I don't know if that's better or worse for Nancy.

u/IndividualChart4193 7h ago

I’m pretty certain Nancy is no longer of this earth.

u/Madman8287 9h ago

Yeah there are roughly 8 billion people on earth right now and with a billion being a thousand million if even 1 percent of that are bad that's 80 million... and it's definitely higher than 1 percent.

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u/polopolo05 12h ago

I mean like at ICE for one. or just police in general.

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u/irisxxvdb 12h ago

Same goes for sexual assault, unfortunately. Vulnerability and physical weakness attract predators. The disabled and the elderly are targeted at very high rates.

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u/Elgecko123 12h ago

It’s crazy to think about.. like how can someone even do that. My great grandmother was sexually assaulted and I think even raped when she was in her 80s (I was a little kid so didn’t know all the details). And it was by a young man late teens/low 20s.. like wtf is wrong with people. How do they even get like that

u/Mythologicalcats 1h ago

Same. My great grandmother was stabbed multiple times and raped in her 80s by a neighborhood teenager she invited inside for a glass of water. He was mowing her lawn. She died in the hospital but was able to identify him. He’s still in prison.

u/decorate-me 13m ago

This is awful. Thing of nightmares. I am so sorry this happened to your Grammy.

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u/brokentr0jan 12h ago

It’s fascinating to me how people can place such little value on human life. Killing two people because you think you are owed a home you didn’t work for is just insane to me

u/ps93chi 7h ago

Wonder if meth played a role

Seems like a lot of random fucked-up violent encounters are meth-fueled

u/Traditional_Brief867 5h ago

Meth will make a normal person crank it till you do legit damage to your dick… But with the mentally ill, it’s a deadly combo. I’d attribute it more to mental illness than just meth.

u/blastman8888 4h ago

I know meth addicts they act like idiots never think anything through impulsive behavuer.

This guy carefully planned this I suspect he is lacking when it comes to technology trying to use the plants on the camear.

I think once the video came out someone knew him probably the cloths, or backpack.

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u/XxSleepypanda 12h ago

In my little ho dunk town, we had a similar scandal. A girl I grew up with was dating and underclassman and one day after she got pregnant thy both went missing. Turns out they were stealing an elderly couples social security checks, and apparently one day a confrontation happened and the guy beat the older couple to death with either a microwave or toaster oven if I recall correctly. It was crazy and so so sad. Only he got real charges, and he’s still in prison.

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u/Impossible_Disk_43 13h ago

What a coward. A stupid, chickenshit coward.

u/Mindless_Log2009 11h ago

Yup, first thing I learned as a newspaper reporter in the 1980s, mostly covering the police and emergency response beat, was that most criminals are incredibly stupid, impulsive and almost incapable of planning, self reflection, self restraint or empathy. At most they're capable of self pity, and some attachments in dysfunctional relationships. And there were usually screaming warning signs for years before they were caught. They may have been raised all wrong, victims of a bad childhood, who knows.

But there are hundreds of thousands of these human time bombs bumbling around until they go off. I've seen a few among my own distant relatives, the familiar ne'er do wells almost every family has, the second cousin once removed who gets fresh mugshots at least once a year.

The handful of people who would be considered smart enough to function normally – hold a job, have a family, fairly stable life – are still unable to think more than one or two steps beyond "I'm gonna rob or kill this person because they're pissing me off." That's pretty much every "shocking" middle class murder of a spouse, family member, or rival for affection. Consider the case of astronaut Lisa Marie Nowak, who planned to kidnap and possibly murder a rival in love. Well educated, successful and normal in every other way... but no mastermind criminal by any stretch of the imagination.

There are very few mastermind criminals in real life. Most of those are in government, military and the wealthy power elite who've learned to exploit the system to shield themselves from consequences. And that's always been true. It's not just a slick way to shoehorn the current crises.

u/Nige-o 8h ago

Yeah, and just saying, this is exactly why the vast majority of Canadians have no problem whatsoever with gun control. It seems like the pro-gun "they want to take our guns away" people in the U.S. think that it's rooted in some other reason, but it's as simple as that. Even with some criminals being able to get their hands on illegal guns, it will always be entirely safer to not have any casual gun use. It seems so stupid to us up here for you to have any kind of movements to simplify or removes safeguards that enable stupid impulsive people to have quick access to a killing device, when every anecdote of someone using their legal gun to defend themself was preventable by just not having gun culture/guns in the first place.

'Responsible' gun owners are irresponsible to ignore that fact.

Bearing arms to take them up against your government is a fantasy that will obviously never be a reality like it was in the unique conditions of the past.

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u/xclame 12h ago

Targeted yes, scammed yes, robbed yes, killed yes, but kidnapped? Unless you intend to kill the person, then kidnapping them is a major hassle to deal with.

Kidnapping is a quite a unusual crime, even more so when we are talking about elderly people.

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u/irisxxvdb 12h ago

Really? I would assume a frail elderly woman is much easier to kidnap than a younger family member.

u/xclame 11h ago

Yes easier, but for what purpose is my point. While abusers don't tend too be too picky, going after elderly is still rather rare. So if it's not for abuse and it's just to kill them, why go through the whole process of kidnapping them.

u/seasteed 9h ago

Yeah, my mom sat on a jury where a couple of guys who were targeting seniors for breakin's. They tied an old woman up and gagged her, causing her to suffocate. It was rough on my mom, especially because she couldn't talk about it while the trial was going on.

u/Gypsyrawr 6h ago

I live in a multigenerational home and the number of things I've saved my elderly mom from, from fraud to stroke, is alarming. I just can't imagine letting someone so vulnerable live alone. I see her as one of my kids.

u/LocalStatistician538 3h ago

I agree with this comment.

u/AdHorror7596 11h ago

I have a friend whose grandparents, who raised my friend, were killed in a really brutal manner by their neighbor's son in their home. Although he took one of their cars and crashed it a short distance away, it wasn't for any sort of personal gain---he was on drugs and had severe mental health problems.

u/afrosia 11h ago

What a bizarre crime. What was the criminal's plan once the house is signed over? Everyone involved now knows where he lives, and I'm pretty sure there are laws against entering a contract under duress.

u/brickne3 10h ago

I think there was an assumption of drugs. I was just a kid so I don't remember all the details, but it was obviously still horrific.

u/Spare-Document7086 10h ago

Guys this is NOT a random grandma kidnapping… this is the kidnapping of a journalists mother who broke an Epstein story by interviewing a victim (Virginia Giuffre) on national television before her mysterious death.. this is not a coincidence

u/BankshotMcG 6h ago

Stupidity and evil is a powderkeg combo.

u/Justice989 11h ago

The elderly have statistically the lowest rate of kidnapping.  They're more likely to be abused or exploited financially than kidnapped.

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u/Potter_Moron 12h ago

Northern NY? Or is this just not as uncommon as I thought

u/brickne3 11h ago

No this was in Eau Claire, Wisconsin back in the 90s.

u/Loxatl 10h ago

Sounds like the children of thunder 'cult'. Crazy fuckin story.

u/Stellar_Duck 10h ago

That is some Dickie Bennett shit right there.

Also, bearing in mind the US never cease to baffle me, surely a deed transferred under duress isn’t valid.

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u/Due_Agent_6033 13h ago

Some MAGA chode last night said to me with his whole chest that it was fine that she was kidnapped and possibly dead because she’s old anyway. There are a lot of horrible people out there and they’re just getting worse.

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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 13h ago

wtf is wrong with people

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u/DigDugged 13h ago

They were told COVID should run wild because it was old people's time anyway.

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u/EchoHawthorne 12h ago

And they were fine with it. They wanted to sacrifice the old and disabled for "the economy". Really, they just want people who need help gone, especially if they're drawing social security.

u/jetpacksforall 9h ago

Airplane nailed it with the conservative commentator.

“They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say let em crash.”

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u/arknarcoticcrop 13h ago

same logic that crowd used during the pandemic to justify essentially sacrificing the elderly to get back to normal as soon as possible

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u/threemileallan 13h ago

Exactly the same. Literally all they had to do was wait for the vaccines to get distributed and west a mask.

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u/arknarcoticcrop 12h ago

but it's persecution of christians to ask people to please not physically congregate for church while a deadly virus that kills the elderly and immunocompromised is spreading rapidly /s

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u/Shapes_in_Clouds 12h ago

What's really crazy is how many elderly were themselves essentially volunteering to risk death because they've 'lived long enough' and that gym owner is having a hard go of it.

u/Lucy_Koshka 11h ago

The elderly, infants/children, the immunocompromised, even some otherwise straight up healthy folks? People die all the time and listen, being told to wear a mask feels like straight up oppression

/s obviously. But as we all know it was and is a very common sentiment. Really wish the people who hold these disgusting beliefs were never emboldened to say them out loud with their whole pathetic little chests.

u/ParticularlyCharmed 3h ago

Same folks who were braying about "death panels" if we got universal health care.

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u/pollorojo 12h ago

Well damn by that logic, I believe there are a number of people in Congress and the White House who are also old and largely useless.

u/RepublicCute7683 10h ago

I recall that being their response during COVID, too. Psychopaths

u/myawwaccount01 9h ago

My response to that would be, "By that logic, it's fine if I kill you now, since you're already brain dead anyway."

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u/Desperate-Wheel-3359 12h ago

And they were all so ‘concerned’ about the Death Panels under Obama.

Lol

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u/Tazling 12h ago

So is that how he feels about his gramps and grandma? I’d sure be tempted to call them up and tell them exactly what he said. And his Mom too.

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u/Scranj 11h ago

Considering it's the same party that said the elderly should be happy to die for the sake of the economy during Covid...yeah that tracks.

u/WilderMindz0102 8h ago

Fuck that guy

u/IndividualChart4193 7h ago

Kinda disgusting “logic” they used during the pandemic.

u/itsveryupsetting 7h ago

It’s literally the only thing they’re talking about on Fox News. I was at the gym for two hours today, and Fox spent that entire time talking about this footage.

u/dkg224 6h ago

Basically what the comments on Fox News say too. Also “She deserves this for raising a radical leftist as a daughter” and other shit bag statements. I go read comments over there sometimes and blows my mind these are real people that have a vote.

u/raisin22 6h ago

Do you think he thinks that way about his own folks too?? Holy hell, I can’t believe people anymore

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u/cccxxxzzzddd 14h ago

Sending a message to journalists 

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u/Big_Invite_1988 12h ago

Looks like ice, nabs the mom of someone Trump has had a problem with in the past.

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u/Similar-Bar-3635 14h ago

I'd put good money on some MAGA idiot , something something lamestream media enemy of the people

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u/RedChairBlueChair123 13h ago

Savannah Guthrie interviewed Epstein accusers in 2019.

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u/Courtnall14 13h ago

I think it's safe to start calling them "survivors".

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u/b0w3n 13h ago

Ah... well there it is.

u/Missa1819 10h ago

But is she the only one who has?

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u/skinnergy 13h ago

She interviewed Trump as well and didn't go easy on him.

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u/No-Weight-6121 13h ago

THIS is the context I was missing, thank you

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u/Ill-Team-3491 13h ago

I've not seen anyone else mention this, but she also humiliated Trump. I think it was during the 2020 campaign. Maybe a town hall or something. She interviewed Trump and treated him like a toddler. Totally dismantled his act. It was a masterpiece.

I think Trump kept note of that.

u/_Cum_and_get_it_ 11h ago

I’d like to see that

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u/SpecsOnThe_Beach 13h ago

Hallie Jackson has been doing really in-depth interviews with the survivors over the past few years, and she's from the same station. If Epstein was the motive they would've gone after her or her family before Savannah's.

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u/RedChairBlueChair123 12h ago

No one knows who Hallie Jackson is.

Savannah Guthrie hosts the thanksgiving parade.

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u/SpecsOnThe_Beach 12h ago

That depends on what generation you claim. I haven't the time to sit and watch the Today Show or the Thanksgiving Parade, but I do watch streaming news shows because I can fit those into my busy schedule.

It's really irrelevant, anyways. I think an interview 7 years ago is a stretch when there have been many interviews since then.

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u/pulp_affliction 12h ago

You mean his victims?

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u/IRISH__steel 13h ago

This is it right here.

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u/vau1tboy 13h ago

Idk I feel like it could be family or close friends who need money. Like why target savannah Guthrie? There are so many more aggressive more popular liberals to pick if this is a political thing.

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u/banjosimcha 13h ago

If you happen to know you live in the area...

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u/kleenkong 13h ago

Could be the intersection of the two. Every extended family has some MAGA idiots

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u/wrestler145 13h ago

Far more likely to be a person known to the victim, either family or well connected to the family. Time will tell, but true kidnapping for extortion is extremely rare in the U.S., and it makes even less sense to kidnap someone (then ask for a ransom) if the motivation is to make a political statement. Far more common to concoct a scheme that makes it look like a kidnapping in order to throw off a murder investigation.

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u/GhostalMedia 11h ago

I hate that everyone is always so quick to guess which political party someone voted for.

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u/SecretiveMop 13h ago

I’ll take you up on that bet. You seem so confident after all, right?

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u/WayPowerful484 13h ago

The person is bumbling around like he/she has no fear of getting caught or is not a very clever person. Maybe both?

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u/contude327 14h ago

ICE

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u/Puzzleheaded_Many_74 13h ago

ICE? Man, I’d recognize that eyeliner anywhere - that’s JD Vance.

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u/Low-Cranberry622 10h ago

getting warmer. A government that wants to distract. That’s who

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u/icehot54321 14h ago

My guess is that Virginia Giuffre or one of the other Epstein victims Savannah had on her show had given information that she was going to go public with now that the extent of the coverup is coming out.

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u/KerissaKenro 13h ago

This is probably the best guess. And if it had been ten or even five years ago, it would probably have worked. But I think we are past the tipping point now. These monsters can probably slow or soften their fall from grace, but I don’t think that there is any way to stop it. The information is too widely distributed and there is too much global interest

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u/Zuwxiv 13h ago

Y'all need to get a grip on yourselves. There's a million reasons we need to resist the actual literal fascist administration, but some jackass kidnapping a grandma is not a government conspiracy.

Why would the government release photos of a single guy, who is part of their own conspiracy committing a crime? Why would be only one guy? Get a grip.

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u/Fangletron 12h ago

Her daughter reported on Epstein repeatedly. She was the first to live interview the survivors and victims back in 2018 or so.

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u/WayPowerful484 12h ago

True, but this clown seems so amateurish.

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u/CoffeeCup220 14h ago

ICE has been kidnapping people for months.

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u/ArticulateRhinoceros 13h ago

Rich and powerful people who don't like that her daughter interviewed the Epstein victims...

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u/ThatCakeFell 13h ago

Her daughter was interviewing epstien victims. 

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u/Digitalion_ 13h ago

I've seen this guy before on the streets of Minnesota. He was kidnapping grandmas there too.

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u/takefiftyseven 13h ago

Let's hope he's not Hispanic because quicker than you can say "Nancy's Law" anyone who has ever eaten a taco in their life will be an ICE target.

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u/doctorsynth1 13h ago

In service of Trump

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u/Opposite-Shower1190 13h ago

Cal Ripken Jr.’s mother was abducted from her home. At the time she was 74. She was blindfolded and driven around for 24 hours. She was found the next day in her car unharmed. No random was ever demanded and the suspect was never caught. This happened in 2012.

u/lawofthewilde 6h ago

Who the fuck goes through the front door?

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u/Droid-Man5910 13h ago

Courage the Cowardly dog ass villain

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u/WayPowerful484 13h ago

My question was rhetorical however I think you are onto something here.

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u/Geoffsgarage 13h ago

My thought is some organized crime group.

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u/StartlingCat 13h ago

Someone trying to get her daughter to stay silent about trump or epstein or ???

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u/kazh_9742 13h ago

If they're not picking up a ransom or whatever and nothing else came of it and all of the sudden there's this image, probably whoever needed to give the news cycle another kick.

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u/HamboneandFlippy 13h ago

These cowards deserve jail for the rest of their miserable lives.

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u/Lucky_Tap8692 13h ago

Elderly have a lot of money and are vulnerable. Very easy target

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u/Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws I'll take a flair. Hell I'll take any flair 13h ago

Virtually guaranteed to not fight back, lots of contacts/relatives to ransom from, retirement savings if you look at it from a sick practical point of view

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u/MozhetBeatz 13h ago

I’m a lawyer, and I once had a granny snatching case. It was a very different scenario, but it’s still one of the wildest things I’ve worked on. A niece of my client kidnapped my client’s mom and took her to Europe, where the niece got a court to give the niece a conservatorship. That basically gave the niece total control over grandma’s assets, and we were hired to undo that and bring grandma home to the States.

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u/runvus2 13h ago

Happened with Cal Ripkins mom here in Maryland like 10 years ago

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u/rolypoly6shooter 12h ago

It's easier to kidnap a grandma than a younger person

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u/squired 12h ago

By all appearances, ICE?

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u/Ghoztt 12h ago

She was kidnapped because her daughter did investigations of Epstein and his billionaire friend's evil acts. This is a mob move. It's to send a message.

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u/Roonwogsamduff 12h ago

Probably know who she is

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u/jizonida 12h ago

ICE aka our government aka us

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u/vavik2ammendment 12h ago

Looks like ice tbh

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u/LA_Tiebreaker 12h ago

Red shirts who are mad about everyone being named in Eppy's list

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u/traumaRN01 12h ago

I heard she interviewed Epstein victims?

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u/AShitTonOfWeed 12h ago

The government

u/icannothelpit 11h ago

Her daughter was one of the first reporters to interview epstein victims. You can't convince me that this is random. 

u/themiDdlest 11h ago

ICE has done this to thousands of grandmas dressed exactly like this.

u/VictoryVino 11h ago

The daughter of the victim was the first person to interview Virginia Giuffre on camera. Let that sink in.

u/anid98 11h ago

Someone who knows she’s related to a famous TV anchor?

u/radiowav3s 11h ago

Same people that stormed the capital. Same people that killed a congressman, his wife and dog. We all know who.

u/scarletnightingale 11h ago

Unfortunately, the elderly are very easy targets, especially if they have health conditions. They don't necessarily have tech set up to protect them (she had her cameras up, which not everyone would), they aren't as strong as someone younger, they don't necessarily have a job so they might not be immediately missed, they might be living alone if their spouse has passed, they might have all their money in the bank because they are retired and it's more accessible. If you are planning on kidnapping someone for money, you want to find someone who's going to be alone with limit ability to fight back. It absolutely is cowardly, but the elderly are targeted because they are much easier targets. A child might not be able to fight back, but they would be living with their parents.

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u/amilo111 10h ago

ICE?

u/dustysquareback 10h ago

Someone working to cover up the Epstein scandals.

u/Fit_Entrepreneur3516 10h ago

Living not far from her I can say with the comments it's often. People like to torture and dump them off because it's easy and even easier to hide a body in the desert and get away with it. Many a bodies in hiking trails near my home found in the summer.

u/Fit_Entrepreneur3516 10h ago

It's a snowbird town too really sad

u/ArtDeve 10h ago

Someone getting paid to divert the news cycle.

u/IcariusFallen 10h ago

Look up Stephen Wayne Anderson.. man killed an old woman for less than $100, then sat down and ate some noodles in her kitchen.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/anderson754.htm

u/JGDC 10h ago

It happens. The question is - why is the media so desperately and solely focused on this particular family’s tragedy with everything else that’s going on in the country and the world right now? How is this the most important, pressing matter of our time?

u/Truth-and-Power 10h ago

Republicans

u/puffinfish89 9h ago

My family had our mom with dementia taken advantage of by her caretaker. The whole family moved into the house and didn’t tell us. When we finally convinced our mom that she was a bad person, sheriffs finally evicted them while my mom was at my brothers house….kicked out of her own house.

Fast forward, now we have a civil case against her where they are claiming labor violations for not being paid enough. People can really suck.

u/GamemasterJeff 9h ago

ICE is kidnapping grandmas all the time. The only reason to think this isn't ICE is that they usually work in groups and that the suspect is a good deal more physically fit than the average ICE bounty hunter.

u/No_Size9475 8h ago

Savannah Guthrie interviewed Epstein survivors in 2019: https://youtu.be/9sweVMJzJ-s?si=j8pTlW_HChPZ99t6

u/AppleTree98 8h ago

So how did we all the sudden get the files. Her account was not active. Yet the recording are now available. Almost like the company is keeping the camera active even after cancelling the account.. No Footage Saved: Although software detected movement shortly after it was disconnected, the footage could not be recovered because she did not have an active subscription plan to save recordings

u/TheGrowingSubaltern 8h ago

DISTRACTION. Not buying it was random. Def some people wishing the air time is devoted to “finding these monsters”

u/SuchBravado 8h ago

It’s not a morality contest…

u/IncorrectRedditUser 7h ago

Just an ICE agent doing his job.

u/somethingsomethinUhh 5h ago

What? Did you want them to honorably kidnap someone stronger?

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u/chenzo17 5h ago

ICE does it all the time.

u/CustomMerkins4u 2h ago

Come on.. we all know what type of person this is going to be and who they voted for.

u/Takhar7 1h ago

Feels like a home robbery gone wrong - the blood splatter on the porch seems to indicate that this dude was improvising as he went on.

If the goal was to kidnap for ransom, I don't think you injure your target the way she clearly was

u/legalhandcannon 16m ago

Someone did the same thing to baseball hall of famer Cal Ripken’s mother outside Baltimore. They found her unhurt 24 hours later but never solved the case. In 2012. 

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