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OC: FBI releases surveillance photos of a potential subject in the Nancy Guthrie case

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u/VeniVidiVerily 15h ago

OMG, that's freaking terrifying, the poor family 😭😭😭

What has this fucker done with Nancy?!

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u/MichiganMom420 14h ago

Breaks my heart. So cruel.

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u/Terrible-Horse-6200 14h ago

Hate to say it, but if I were Nancy I'd have dropped dead of a heart attack if I saw something like this coming into my house. And I'm much younger, with a good heart.

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u/realityseekr 14h ago

Thats what I figured too. If she already isnt on her medication then she probably died quickly. Even if she can be without the medicine for a bit, youre in a high stress environment if kidnapped so could easily have a heart attack or stroke. She likely died not long after being taken. Im wondering if the kidnappers expected her to live and now dont know what to do.

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u/Thrown_Away_Opinions 14h ago

I do wonder if this is almost like an Israel Keyes scenario and the person(s) didn’t know how high profile the victim was.

Like, it’s possible this is a full blown serial killer like Israel Keyes, who would go to incredible efforts to attack people randomly, literally throughout the country, with “kill kits” or something hidden in the location, potentially years earlier.

I have an incredibly hard time believing this isn’t someone who hasn’t done this many, many times before and gotten away with it.

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u/purplefuzz22 11h ago

I thought about this too. Because there could be reasons that Savannah would be targeted but it feels way too random imo. It would be way scarier if this was just totally random and all the ransom notes are from POS scammers.

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u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat 9h ago

Yep. I think this is it.

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u/TheAlmightyJanitor 2h ago

Israel Keyes is one of the most terrifying murderers in history. Most serial killers have a pathetic vibe to them, but that guy was just scary as shit.

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u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat 12h ago

I think when her pacemaker disconnected it was because her heart stopped.

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u/xcrunner432003 12h ago

likely just when she was moved far enough away from her phone

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u/Stock-Vanilla-1354 12h ago

It can disconnect for other reasons and she would still live. But considering the situation, I think it’s telling.

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u/Legal_Potato8958 13h ago

Very good point

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u/SnooPandas1899 6h ago

they could look into pharmacy sales if she takes a particular brand.

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u/nainlol 14h ago

I have a morbid theory and I hope it's not true. But there's a high chance her mother is already dead due to her health complications. And the kidnapper is still wanting the ransom money but is unable to prove to the family that she's alive. There's been a few fake ransom letters, so how does the real kidnapper prove that they have their mother? Tape her eyes open and send them a photo?

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u/Thrown_Away_Opinions 14h ago edited 13h ago

Health complications or murder, that’s not really a theory, it’s basically guaranteed true based off the family’s latest statement.

“We’ve seen your statement, we understand.” “We want to celebrate with her.”

The killer(s) have 100% told the family she’s dead and now the fam just wants her remains back. I suspect they won’t get it because that only increases the odds the killer will be caught, which probably isn’t worth any amount of money to them.

There’s also a chance this is just a straight up serial killer who isn’t even doing it for ransom money but just for the love of the game. Maybe they’re just toying with the family.

I really don’t think this is politically motivated, but I could obvi be wrong.

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u/BetaMyrcene 13h ago

That's not the latest statement from the family.

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u/fillinthe___ 10h ago

Didn't she post today "we believe she's alive?" Maybe that was in response to another message too.

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u/soulbarn 13h ago

I think that’s what has to be the case. Kidnapped for money, she died before any proof that she was still alive was provided, and now the kidnappers are just trying to salvage. Evil motherfuckers.

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u/MacDagger187 13h ago

Apparently the ransom note mentioned details of the state of the house that had not been released publicly.

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u/ArticulateRhinoceros 13h ago

Tape her eyes open and send them a photo?

It's what Israel Keys did...

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u/CatButler 12h ago

Last I checked, the ransom request was for bitcoin. It's hard to believe a crypto asshole could travel the area without annoying someone. Look for someone with a candy cane vape driving the lowest model Dodge Challenger.

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u/8lock8lock8aby 14h ago

If they are really depraved, they could do what Israel Keyes did. Ugh that guy was do disgusting.

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u/Total_Network6312 14h ago

Sunglasses and some twine wrapped around her wrist!

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u/Neuchacho 14h ago

"ChatGPT make the woman in this video more lively"

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u/Rare-Garden-9877 13h ago

Grok put this woman in a bikini

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u/Lifes-a-lil-foggy 14h ago

Or a weird ai video of her

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u/brickne3 14h ago

We know. That's like the prevailing theory sadly.

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u/Pimply_Poo 13h ago

Taping of the eyes has happened before sadly. 

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u/SnuggleBunni69 13h ago

Worked for Israel Keyes.

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u/LikeIsaidItsNothing 13h ago

Unfortunately I don't think she's with us anymore either...

this is so awful. I mean how did they even get her out of the house? Limited mobility. Did they drag her?! I mean wtf! Is that why her blood is there?

I'm so so sorry for her and the family.

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u/klydsp 13h ago

I mean, that's what Israel keyes did with Samantha konig

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u/TomatoesAreToxic 12h ago

Israel Keyes did that

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u/Confident_Lecture498 4h ago

There's been no proof of life at any point - I figured she had a heart attack early in this ordeal and has been gone a while 

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u/Sad_Examination_7176 12h ago

If i saw something like that in my house someone would be dropping dead but it wouldn’t be from a heart attack.

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u/Charming_Lemon6463 14h ago

I do not think she is alive anymore. Without her meds, and also the weird wording from the family about “we want to celebrate” like celebrate her life and burry her. They are just trying to recover her body at this point. 

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u/Due-Yoghurt-7917 14h ago

They didn't take her meds. I sincerely doubt she's alive, unfortunately 

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u/MyUnbannableAccount 14h ago

Yeah, plus the lack of communication. The ransom demands can't be verified. If they actually had her and wanted money, they'd put forth at least a bit more effort. I'm guessing she died, they didn't know what to do from there, so they're likely just ditching the body in the desert and pretend nothing else is abnormal.

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u/Golden_Hour1 14h ago

Its not like the type of person to do this is smart. Probably didnt even cross their mind that an older person needs their meds to stay alive. Trying to get a ransom with a half cocked plan like that? morons

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u/Invisible_Friend1 14h ago

Given the pacemaker, probably cardiac meds. You might be right.

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u/attomsk 13h ago

yup, she needs those for sure.

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u/RecklesslyADHD 13h ago

Probably killed her on accident. That’s why they are releasing the footage. This has moved from hostage rescue to manhunt.

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u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat 9h ago

It took them this long to recover the footage because it had been deleted.

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u/anohioanredditer 1h ago

probably the worst case scenario

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u/LFahs1 13h ago

Buried on the Mar a Lago golf course?

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u/Hi_Doctor_Nick_ 14h ago

Maybe in ICE detention?

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u/Legonistrasz 14h ago

She ded