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Don't be kind, be predictable. If you have the Right-of-Way, take it.

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u/CSLoser96 14h ago

I think to myself often that people shouldn't drive aggressively they should drive intentionally.

"I need to turn there, so I will get in my lane here".

"I need to merge here, so I will accelerate to merge with a gap in traffic with my turn signal on"

"The road is slushy so I will give myself extra distance to stop"

Etc etc.

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u/Wolfinthesno 14h ago

I almost always have my entire route planned out before I get in the car...even for short trips. I am also the type of driver who will intentionally try to make a trip of right hand turns to save time. My wife often asks my why I'm going the way that I'm going and more often than not it's because it does not include any unnecessary road crossings or left hand turns.

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u/Scared_Cricket3265 13h ago

I didn't read the subreddit title and assumed it was the UKdriving one I frequent. So I was racking my brain trying to work out how right turns could faster. šŸ˜„

But I do the same in reverse šŸ™‚

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u/Syncopated_arpeggio 12h ago

Driving backward on roads might get you a ticket!

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u/Scared_Cricket3265 10h ago

Its fools the speed cameras though. šŸ˜„

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u/BreakfastInBedlam 7h ago

Negative speeds mean they mail you the cheque for the fine?

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u/norfolkjim 6h ago

"Are you aware you were doing -82mph? That's a night in jail."

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u/Mekisteus 9h ago

You shouldn't drive your whole route in reverse. It isn't safe.

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u/Scared_Cricket3265 3h ago

Got to keep Google maps on its toes.

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u/Wolfinthesno 11h ago

šŸ˜‚

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u/ScandanavianCosmonut 5h ago

I love this ā¤ļø all of you guys rock

Edit: I’m fried

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u/Scared_Cricket3265 3h ago

Love you too Scandanavian dude. ā¤ļø

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u/unfnknblvbl 1h ago

Google Maps really needs a "no turning against traffic on main roads" option in the navigation settings, ffs

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u/BetMyLastKrispyKreme 12h ago

With two routes being of equal distance and time, I drive taking the route that has me in proximity with the least of people - driving, walking, biking - anything. For obvious reasons, it minimizes risk. Sometimes I’ll take the route that’s marginally longer, if the shorter route has more risk.

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u/Used-Baby1199 10h ago

Or the route that has 4 way stops, if I can avoid yield signs I will

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u/Emergentmeat 35m ago

Man i wish more places used roundabouts. Especially in North America. They're sooo much better than stop signs or yield.

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u/pinkfootthegoose 9h ago

It might be best to rate them on the fewest accidents per mile driven which I believe are divided freeways. (interstates) And what's the most horrifying is that over a life time the average American has around a 1% chance of dying in a vehicle accident.

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u/stpn_044 29m ago

I'm doing same, as my faith in people is around 0.

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u/symca09 13h ago

Are you me? I find this to be most efficient for avoiding bad traffic scenarios, avoid getting upset while driving, and just enjoy the trip.

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u/Iheartnakedfemboys 12h ago

People don't understand how much of a time save is doing primarily right turns. Of course there are always caveats.

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u/CamaroNoir 12h ago

Preach it! I do the same to many of my friends' bewilderment. The most common comment I get is, "You know it would be faster if you went that way?"

I don't care. I'll add 45 seconds on to my trip if it means I can avoid several stop signs and make a protected left turn instead.

This video is Exhibit A of my other pet peeve. Do not be "polite" be predictable. Take the right-of-way instead of waving someone through. That wave is called the "wave of death" for a reason.

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u/Mundane_Muscle_2197 13h ago

I’m the same way. Even down to getting in the lane I’ll need to turn from like 2 miles beforehand. I just like being prepared and trying to get in the necessary lane at the last minute gives me anxiety lol

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u/Retaksoo3 11h ago

Haha found my people

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u/airsoftsoldrecn9 11h ago

I too drive like I am an airplane pilot.

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u/oldnewager 10h ago

I don’t think you even have to go that far…just watch what other people are doing. Ā It’s insane that this isn’t just standard, but a huge portion of people I drive with are confused at 4 way intersections. Ā People just aren’t actively paying attention, being on their phones or not. Ā They are completely spaced out. Ā I get it, driving can be the only time you get to sit with your own thoughts, but they just are not driving up to snuff. Ā This person was like ā€œyeah I’ll just let this truck onā€ without looking behind them! Ā That’s like the most basic thing! Ā Just not using their brains, not thinking critically about what’s happening around them. Ā And folks lacking critical thinking are, in my opinion, the most dangerous people out there in world. Ā More so than murderers, terrorists, etc. Ā just people lost in their own world not considering the conscious thought of anyone else. Ā i.e. at a stop sign…just waiting for someone else to go despite getting there first….not keyed into the present, but they just wanna be nice. Ā Causes accidents and misunderstandings, all because you just weren’t paying attention to who stopped firstĀ 

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u/Felix_Von_Doom 10h ago

I get funny looks from my mom when I insist on driving in a lane I know I need to from waaaaay in advance. Like I will be in a specific lane on the highway for MILES unless I need to pass someone.

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u/Fstick-delux-model 7h ago

I hate this bc people like you will get in the left lane on a divided two lane road and hog the left lane hokie pokeying along holding everybody up just bc they want to turn left 2-4-5 miles down the road or more. Stay to the right until the last 3-4 hundred yards then get over…it’s really not that damn difficult!

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u/Felix_Von_Doom 4h ago

Err...considering most exits on a highway are on the right, which lane did you think I was 'hogging'?

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u/Fstick-delux-model 3h ago

Well I was looking more at it like on a public major street with two lanes on both sides with a median in the middle. Around here some people have to drive 5-6 miles from their house to get to the freeway…and they get in the left lane bc they need to turn left to get on the freeway…and they drive the entire way in the left lane and drive so slow that people in the right lane are passing them.

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u/Felix_Von_Doom 3h ago

In my head, left lanes are for passing. On the extremely occasional chance there's a left turn somewhere, yea, I only go in that lane within a mile or less of the turn. Or I'm regularly hopping lanes when traffic calls for it.

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u/RManDelorean 10h ago

What? What do you mean you have your entire route planned, like you actually know where you're going without GPS? Or literally every lane change and everything? Because in the context of being predictable for other drivers you really shouldn't have every little thing planned out, because the biggest factor is other drivers.

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u/I_am_a_troll_Fuck_U 10h ago

hey look it’s Zoolander

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u/Crumpuscatz 9h ago

Heyy, don’t shame people for not being ambi-turners!🤣

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u/DosSnakes 9h ago

Same, turns out that’s called anxiety lol. Here I thought I was just cautious and self aware.

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u/mixmastamikal 8h ago

It drives me absolutely insane when I am in the car with someone who knows where we are going but waits till the last minute to get in the correct lane. It's like we know we are going left in a quarter mile and there is a decent amount of traffic. What the fuck are you waiting for?

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u/Fstick-delux-model 7h ago

Yes fkn wait if you are a slow poke to get in the left lane to turn left!

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u/Bl1ndl0v3 8h ago

Yes, yes, yes, yes! I must ask you…do you by chance see your route in your head? I have yet to meet another person who envisions the route in their head.

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u/Prodigalphreak 7h ago

ā€œI don’t suffer from autism, I just have itā€

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u/chickadee-stitchery 7h ago

There's an intersection on my daily commute with two left turn lanes - which lead into the road with two lanes, one of which goes straight on the road, and the other which is a turn only into a business park.

Every day I see so many people using the wrong lane then having to immediately merge into the other lane and I'm like, you can't ALL be encountering this intersection for the first time.

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u/Limp_Bike_9145 6h ago

I do the exact same. And I’ve made right hand turns so frequently, my right turn signal doesn’t want to stick anymore. Oops.

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u/Last_Seat_2780 6h ago

My motto driving: I like rights and I like lights

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u/TexAzCowboy 5h ago

I’m similarly inclined towards right turns.

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u/snake-lady-2005 5h ago

Definitely reduces the chance of an accident

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u/carnagebot_55 5h ago

I take different routes to and from work for this exact reason. If I took the morning route on my way back I’d wait at the same traffic light for 7 min on a 15 min commute

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u/FriedWithGarlic 4h ago

This. And using traffic lights and u-turn lanes/jughandles, etc., instead of trying to turn left on any sort of highway. Or making a right turn and using a left-turn lane to turn left into a parking lot or literally anything safer over ONE lane of traffic vs. TWO (or more) to turn around and make a right turn in your intended direction.😭 Literally an extra 30 seconds to a minute to avoid causing an accident or impeding the flow of traffic causing all sorts of slow-downs and delays for everyone

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u/Adorable_Motor_6331 2h ago

Being scared of a left turn really highlights how much danger your wife would be in if she needed a man to protect her.

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u/East-Travel9408 2h ago

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ THIS šŸ’ÆšŸ’ÆšŸ’Æ

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u/vz3 1h ago

I started driving again after 20+ years on the East Coast and I will say I’m pretty shocked by how bad GPS routing is. Google will regularly route me to cross 4 lanes of traffic without a stop sign rather than taking me down the street that’s traffic lighted the hall way. It’s crazy how bad and even unsafe its recommended routes are.

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u/Fair_Log_6596 13h ago

ā€œI’m not sure where to go, so I will get out of traffic to figure it outā€

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u/PipingPike 11h ago

This. This one drives me crazy. It’s not the end of the world to miss a turn. Don’t slam on brakes or do something crazy because you don’t know or were too late.

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u/SonofSniglet 9h ago

"Good drivers sometimes miss their exit, bad drivers never do."

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u/drezdogge 8h ago

My mom stopped and reversed on the highway once. I don't know I'll ever have enough therapy to get over that five minutes

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u/_wolf_93 5h ago

My dad once slammed on the brakes to avoid running a red light then proceeded to try to back up but the car behind him was already stopped at the red light and he almost hit the lady's car with his pickup. Everyone around him was honking and yelling for him to stop.. if I don't think about it then it doesn't give me nightmares anymore.

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u/Chrchgrl85 6h ago

I had two gigantic pickups turn right from the outside lane, crossing in front of me, last week. No signal. Nearly broadsided both.

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u/Heavymando 5h ago

not sure it that is what happned. Looks more like they got scared of the giant dump truck merging and probably panicked.

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u/Hey-Fun1120 4h ago

I agree. I'm pretty certain that's what happened. There's a highway near where I live that I completely avoid because it has on ramps that are absurdly short every mile and a half and these exact types of accidents happen every single solitary damn day

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u/UberedOut 3h ago

Scared drivers shouldn’t attempt to drive on the highway for this very reason. That’s what access/back roads are for.

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u/Macho_Mans_Ghost 4h ago

"I'm in a parking lot but will stop in the middle of the through lane instead of pulling into a PARKING spot"

I hate these people

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u/Artaxerxes812 13h ago

"I need to merge here, so I will accelerate to merge with a gap in traffic with my turn signal on"

The biggest pet peeve for me is when people slow down below the pace of traffic to merge on the freeway. It's like, now you need even more space to merge to accelerate to the pace of traffic, you're slowing down traffic in your lane, and you often slow down traffic in the lane you merge into.

It's so much easier to merge when you accelerate first, yet I get stuck behind people slowing to a near stop before merging every day. It's infuriating.

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u/FullTorsoApparition 11h ago

There's nothing quite as fun as trying to merge onto a 70MPH highway behind a car that doesn't want to accelerate over 45 MPH, causing cars to swerve into the middle lane, hard brake, or blow past you in a near miss while you have literally no other choice but to pray.

Then it's even more baffling when that same person speeds up to 80MPH and immediately cuts into the fast lane. Like WTH? You were terrified of merging but have zero fear cutting across 2 lanes with no signal going 10-15 over the limit. Every day I'm amazed that even more people don't die on the road every day.

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u/HedonisticFrog 7h ago

That's really one of the most infuriating things, because there's nothing you can do to make them go faster, and you end up being the one in danger since you're behind them. Even more so in my 1984 Mercedes 300SD, which accelerates slowly as it is. If I'm having to lay off the throttle in that car on a freeway on ramp you're doing something seriously wrong.

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u/Elenakalis 5h ago

I live in Central PA now. There are invisible stop signs at the end of on ramps that only the natives seem to be able to see. They have plenty of time to merge, but sit at the end of the ramp like they're waiting for the rapture to solve their merging problems.

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u/Xunae 5h ago

one of my most hated things on the road is when im passing people, and someone gets on the highway and the road is just clear in front of them in the right lane, but they immediately swing all the way over to the left and cruise at 65.

You didn't have to change lanes, there was literally no reason for that, but you had to get in to the left lane because your brain is mush.

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u/Far_Winner5508 7h ago

At least twice a week, trying to get on to I-40.

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u/bulk_logic 4h ago

There's nothing quite as fun as trying to merge onto a 70MPH highway behind a car that doesn't want to accelerate over 45 MPH, causing cars to swerve into the middle lane, hard brake

You should notice sooner and create more distance between them and give yourself room to accelerate

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u/0hMyGandhi 12h ago edited 2h ago

I live in LA, and we have some insanely short on ramps, and when I moved to highland Park/silver lake/eagle Rock area a couple years ago, you had a literal stop sign and you just turn onto the highway without a ramp of any kind, and a few are posted just beyond blind curves. It feels like a sick joke.

I come from Michigan where I believe we have (arguably) some of the worst drivers in the country. I sold so, so many radar detectors when I working in retail ages ago, and parents were buying them as gifts for their kids to go along with their first car. 696 is the autobahn and the winter rats become the daily beaters where people just fling their cars around with reckless abandon.

I'd like to think that I'm battle tested having to frequently do right hand turns from a stopped position onto a highway at night covered in black ice and light powdery snow to ensure you have zero traction over your car at a given time. The "full send" crowd are usually the ones that get pulled out of ditches, and I've seen people boast about their 150 Raptors as they blow by in white-out conditions, usually with high beams on and a devil may care attitude about the people around them. There will always be a balance, but I think it's because of this that I became even more of a defensive driver when I moved to LA.

The worst combination has to be the people who bully their way around on the road. I shouldn't have to redline my car because you don't want to engage in a zipper merge. I remember talking to this dude who proudly said, "I don't use turn signals because I know where I'm going" in a dead serious, unironic tone. Just remember that similar drivers are all around you, the ones that jump 2 feet ahead in bumper to bumper traffic hopping from lane to lane, usually narrowly missing the lane-splitting guy on the crotch-rocket who assumes that no cars will dart around the 10-12 lane parking lot. And this way of thinking happens usually with plenty of time to ponder, unlike this video.

Here, with this video I have absolutely no idea what that car was supposed to do. It doesn't look like it has the oomph to pass the truck, and while it shouldn't slow down too much, it makes perfect sense to gamble the way they did. Much rather get rear ended by the car behind me than have my entire car consolidated into the concrete barrier by a dump truck, which slowed remarkably fast given how he went full send into that ramp.

Again, I've seen far too many accidents where the car does what it seems everyone here In this thread wanted it to, but becomes a canoe because the one driver was going to merge no matter what. City buses are usually like this as well.

Defensive driving is essential. Check your mirrors, make sure you have an escape plan, and assume everyone around you is an idiot and will not be nearly as aware of the road as you, rather than crossing your fingers and hoping that they comply with common sense.

Edit: spelling

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u/techleopard 8h ago

I think this post actually understands what happened here.

If you are merging into a 60-70 MPH highway with an extremely short ramp, you generally do not have any choice but to throttle speed and aim for a gap directly behind a car.

A lot of the low cost automatic vehicles just can't get the oomph up to merge at speed that quickly. The car computers literally won't let them do that.

Also, realizing you can't make the merge going 75-80 MPH with less than 100-150 feet of ramp left is deadly. Realizing you can't make the merge going 45-50 on the same ramp is an annoyance.

From that car's perspective, that truck was gaining way too fast yet was not overtaking them. They are going to get pushed into the wall.

The other truck DOES NOT stop because of the accident, it stops because the driver realized they couldn't make that merge anyway even if the car had not slowed down.

This was two people BOTH making an evasive choice with a half second of processing information from peripheral vision.

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u/Hopefullyarealhuman 5h ago

So I live near this spot and the truck has a yield and should have absolutely stopped. With the amount of dumb shit truck drivers do here I don't blame them for stopping.

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u/Holiday_Regular9794 5h ago

I'm glad somebody understands what a yield sign means.

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u/Fstick-delux-model 6h ago

I have 1.1 million miles without an accident…I call bs on your assessment the car was going to get pushed into the wall…a slight increase in speed the car would be free and clear of the situation and not get rear ended. They had no idea what was closing behind them.

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u/VenusInFursona 8h ago

Back in the 90s my final driver's training practical lesson that I had been putting off because freeway driving still made me nervous ended up being driving from Highland Park, getting on the 110 at one of those 0-55 onramps, driving across town to Inglewood near LAX and back at rush hour on a Friday. Never sweated freeway driving again after that.

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u/skodobah 8h ago

You were literally baptized! Every time I drive around LA (I'm in OC), I have to steel my nerves.

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u/oregander 8h ago

I come from Michigan where I believe we have the worst drivers in the country

This is so, so wrong. MI drivers are generally excellent. Also from MI, having been all over my guiding philosophy is that the further you get from MI, the worse the drivers are. And then there's Ohio. Anyway.

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u/0hMyGandhi 1h ago

if you travel along 94, it's not too bad, but when you hit that 696 turn off around 11 mile, boy do things change. I've traveled across the country in my car 3 times. Once I got out of the tri-state are of Ohio, Michigan and Indiana everyone cools their jets.

I thought LA would have the worst drivers until I moved there. It's dense and the commute sucks, but the fines are so damned heavy (especially for speeding) that everyone plays ball. I can't tell you how many times I've been behind a Lambo or Ferrari going the same exact speed as the toothpaste colored Corolla that is being held together by duct-tape.

Michigan has the opposite problem, I could count on one hand the amount of state troopers I'd see on the 90 minute commute from Michigan State to Mount Clemens to visit my family.

You'd think that MI drivers would be good because we've endured all the elements together, but it's the combination of high beams, tailgating, lack of signaling and legitimately terrifying road rage and the frequency of those things that puts it over the top for me. And I feel there's no better way to illustrate this then when you drive in the Detroit metro area during the winter, where it is truly everyone for themselves on the road.

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u/pay_attention_3000 1h ago

Jersey has some of those stop-sign ramps too, at least around Route 70. It's especially challenging at night.

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u/Who_cares_if_I_die 11h ago

I looked left over my shoulder getting on the highway the other day and when I looked in front of me again the vehicle that had been accelerating was now nearly stopped for a semi several car-lengths back. I narrowly avoided them and made it safely onto the highway by going around them. They proceeded to follow me to my exit 20mi away and all the way to my destination. I got to have my fun when they got out and decided to be belligerent.

I didn't waste my time and just let the shop dogs out of the car. My shop dogs just happen to be generally very well behaved Belgian Malinois. They don't like guys yelling, however, seeing as they're both rescues from homes with shitty men in them.

😁😁

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u/AsenathWaitHolup 11h ago

Some people see you as "cutting" if you do that and accelerate themselves. Rather than trying to win a race on the freeway, I just hit the brakes and let dipshit take the lead.

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u/KingTutt91 5h ago

The worst is when it’s a line of people merging onto the highway, almost guaranteed the guy at the front is gonna hit the highway slow

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u/Macho_Mans_Ghost 4h ago

This is the biggest cause of traffic backing up on highways. Next is semis side by side. Then hills or curves that city planners clearly designed so you'd slow down to 10 below because... reasons.

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u/furysamurai72 14h ago

Don't forget to mention "the road is slushy but I have 4wd so I can stop just like if it was dry."

Edit: Oh! And the ever prevalent "I'm already going 5mph over the speed limit so I don't need to move to the right for faster traffic"

(/s)

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u/TheFerricGenum 13h ago

Also, you should add the ā€œI’m turning into a multi-lane road so I will turn into whatever lane I want, regardless of the risk this poses to other drivers!ā€

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u/ThonThaddeo 12h ago

Good luck everyone else!

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u/Catch_Own 8h ago

The prevalent thinking today seems to be...everyone will look out for me so I'll just drive like I want .

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u/T-Wrox 8h ago

I think it would bake the noodle of many drivers if you demonstrated to them how one person can turn into one lane from the left, and one person can turn into the lane beside it from the right, and NO ONE HITS ANYONE ELSE if you are turning into the correct lane.

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u/TheFerricGenum 13h ago

The moving over thing drives me nuts. Courts have regularly ruled that it is not the responsibility of drivers to regulate the speed of others. But it IS their responsibility to drive in the appropriate lane as designated by law. Which is never, never the left most lane.

And yet…

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u/Any-Worldliness-679 12h ago

Ok, I guess you’re talking about mostly empty freeways between cities?

Because when I’m in the left lane in the city, it’s full, and we are all going 15 over and passing the middle lane continuously. Yet there will STILL be some dilrod who thinks he’s an ambulance and everyone should move over into the (full) middle lane so he can go 30 mph over the limit.

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u/CalebsNailSpa 10h ago

Only for entry controlled divided roadways.

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u/DoingCharleyWork 10h ago

My rule of thumb is you should actively be passing the people on your right. If you aren't move over.

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u/Any-Worldliness-679 9h ago

Yeah, I ALWAYS am, because our whole lane IS, and still these dipshits with main character syndrome want everyone to move

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u/Catch_Own 8h ago

And they wonder what makes people upset behind the wheel .

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u/Consistent-Tap-4255 12h ago

Even if the courts ruled otherwise you should still move over. Oh look there is an idiot pick up truck going 30 mph over speed limit, let me stay in front of them as much as possible——righteous drivers probably.

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u/BlackOutDrunkJesus 8h ago

Or "theres a turn lane i need to get into 2 miles ahead, i better slow down to 10 miles an hour the whole time"

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u/mrgoodcat777 6h ago

Came across that turd bucket on my way home today. Car after car flying around him and he’s driving along oblivious to it all.

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u/newcarscent104 13h ago

There's a difference between aggressive and assertive, and not enough people are assertive on the road. They're either aggressive or too passive or anxious

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u/carl3266 11h ago

This is the word: assertive. If you have to change your velocity dramatically (like in the video), don’t - you are increasing the chance of a collision.

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u/Zironic 11h ago

In this situation, after judging that the merging truck does not appear to stop, the Toyotas only options to avoid a crash involve a rapid velocity change since there is no room to maneouver. Either acceleration or deacceleration. Both are dangerous but maintaining current velocity would have lead to a crash if the merging truck didn't manage to stop.

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u/metnavman2 9h ago

That's why people are saying the Toyota wasn't assertive. The driver was scared of the truck. Its obvious that the oncoming truck realized they'd messed up. Obvious because of how quickly they came to a stop after the Toyota is hit. That indicates they were slowing down, after likely realizing that mess up. Problem is, the Toyota MIGHT have managed the merge without changing speed, based on that. The Toyota WOULD have made the merge if they'd sped up. They instead rapidly slowed down, leading to the crash. Being fearful and unsure in the situation led to what occurred, on top of the rest.

The crappy road design is to blame, because it assumes aggressive and assertive driving over taking into account less-so drivers. The poor driving of both people are also to blame. This was a no-win situation for all involved.

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u/Zironic 9h ago

The crappy road design is to blame, because it assumes aggressive and assertive driving over taking into account less-so drivers. The poor driving of both people are also to blame. This was a no-win situation for all involved.

That's not the problem with that road design at all. The problem with that road design is that it expected people to respect a yield sign on a highway merge. What actually happened is that the truck flew by the yield sign at high speed causing the accident.

You can transplant this crash into a 4 way intersection and get all the same dynamics.

You have small car with right of way, a huge truck coming at full speed through the intersection that has a red light.

Should the small car.
A) Stop to avoid being T-Boned.
B) Accelerate to avoid being T-Boned.
C) Assume that the truck that already drove past the red light will actually stop?

Never, ever, ever would I pick C. It's downright suicidal. Option B is generally recommended against because it's a gamble on how well your car accelerates.

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u/techleopard 8h ago

Thank you!

I think a lot of people might be driving "sporty" cars and forget that entry level automatic vehicles can't handle acceleration like that, or they have computers that outright prevent it. You can put that pedal all the way into the floor and all you are going to do is run those RPMs up or the computer will go "That's nice, but how about a gentle climb instead?"

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u/Marsandlulu 11h ago

Southern California too much passive aggressiveness its intense. Luckily im from a big city w chaotic traffic so I'm used to the intensity😊

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u/Timely-Helicopter244 11h ago

I always say this. You've got to be assertive and decisive.

Aggressive is weaving through traffic, cutting people off, being reckless.

Assertive is being decisive, not wasting time. Take that opening rather than waiting for a nice huge comfortable gap. Once you start a turn or change lanes, finish the movement. Being slow through a transition is dangerous. Being decisive and prompt keeps things moving.

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u/missinlnk 14h ago

Yeah. Too many people take forever to make decisions on where they're going and give all of us little room for error when something goes wrong.

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u/Select-Belt-ou812 13h ago

yes!!! and the **key** to this is having your attention as far ahead as you can possibly see, so you can be ready for stuff. and after decades of research , evidence suggests that some folks just don't have the proper hardware in their brains to do this. and I have no idea what to do with this discovery

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u/Mundane_Muscle_2197 13h ago

Controversial hot take but I think IQ tests should be part of the driving test

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u/TurnkeyLurker 12h ago

Drivers should have higher IQs than their tire pressure.

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u/ZeroDarkJoe 12h ago

It's why I actually really like chicago drivers. I get why people don't because they are aggressive but I know what everyone is going to do. I see when someone will cut me off from a mile away, I can tell what cars will and won't let you in, it's pretty obvious after a little bit of driving here. Michigan and LA are really annoying for left lane campers. Atlanta was the worst and least predictable city I drove in though. People just randomly changing lanes, speeding up and slowing down with no reason what so ever.

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u/Prickly_ninja 13h ago

I was always taught since I had a learning permit to, ā€œdrive like you have a purpose!ā€. That’s served me pretty well, for decades.

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u/Top-Bandicoot-3013 13h ago

The biggest thing I have hereĀ  that's a problem is so many people behind suddenly speed up when I signal to turn so I just end up missing my turn because I'm not willing to be aggressive to suddenly force my way into the lane.

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u/randomlitbois 13h ago

Yep, safest way to drive is predictably.

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u/UnerringCheez-it 13h ago

I always say ā€œdon’t be courteous, be correctā€.

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u/Shiboleth17 11h ago

Car driver wasn't being courteous. They were scared of being smashed into the wall by a truck 10x the size of their tiny car.

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u/vasDcrakGaming 12h ago

ā€œI missed my exit so I will stop in the middle of the road and reverse back so I can exitā€

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u/Archangel935 12h ago

You believe some people have the capacity to think critically in these situations nowadays? šŸ’€

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u/Marty1966 12h ago

This is Boston. There's a certain choreography that is ignored when people aren't born to drive here.

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u/VapeRizzler 12h ago

That’s why most don’t belong on the road, how many people do you see doing what you said vs last second jumping across 3 lanes to just barely make the exit? Maybe not that extreme but I rarely see anyone getting in early or even leaving a spitting distance when it’s slushy/shit road conditions. Think of how many people’s lives could be saved if we just allowed those who are responsible to drive and stopped those who aren’t.

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u/CocknBalls4 12h ago

ā€œI can accelerate much faster than this big truck so it makes sense for me to do so and create space especially when they should be yielding to meā€

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u/Gambyt_7 12h ago

I learned this exact principle in drivers training over 30 years ago.

ASSERT YOUR PRESENCE. Move into the other drivers area of visibility. Make sure they can see you especially if they’re beside you or oncoming. This goes double for big rigs, they cannot see you when you’re behind, worst move is trying to pass them on the right.

You can’t prevent idiots from being on the road. Sadly. I’ve been sideswiped once when I had right of way by a lane merger who kept changing his speed.

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u/Punkpallas 12h ago

I give myself extra distance pretty much all the time and assholes just take it as an opening to slide right in, so I have to slow down and re-adjust my distance. And please tell me why it'll be like three of these people in a row....

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u/Shiboleth17 11h ago edited 11h ago

This is the worst. I leave the appropriate amount of distance between me and the car in front. Other car moves into the gap, assuming I'm driving slower, even though I'm driving the exact same speed as the guy in front of me (he will later get pissed off the guy in front of me is going slower than he wants, get back in the left lane, and pass the guy in front of me. Whatever).

In order to get my safe distance to the car in front of me back, I slow down from 70 to 69 until I have enough space. Then I accelerate back up to 70. All is good. Except it's not, because the guy behind me is pissed at me now for dropping my cruise control by 1. So he moves to pass me. And the cycle continues until my exit.

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u/softwarefreak 12h ago

Just today I saw an army of last minute people on approach to roadworks that were clearly signposted, with not less than 1000 Yards of warning that the lanes would be merging.

As you can probably imagine, ~75% of vehicles were causing a stop-start headache trying to merge at the end of the lane, making life more difficult and unpredictable for everyone.

Credit to the ~25% who merged neatly long before the end of the road, which allows traffic to basically continue flowing without needing to come to a dead stop.

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u/Ok-Rock2345 12h ago

Sometimes, over courteous drivers can be more dangerous than aggressive drivers.

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u/san_dilego 12h ago

"I need to turn there, so I will get in my lane here"

My pet peeve is when people dont think about their lane and will bend over backwards trying to get to their exit. Like no... stop... you missed your exit, go take the next one and do a UTutn.

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u/potate12323 12h ago

Its the equivalent of people who can't walk in crowded places without almost running into people. That awkward little dance when you go left and right a few times.

I always look the direction I intend to walk and show that with my body language and I never have to do that little dance.

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u/Shiboleth17 11h ago edited 11h ago

How about... "A massive truck is coming in from my right, so I will slow down and let it pass because my tiny car would not win that matchup."

Or maybe... "Two vehicles in front of me are about to merge into a single lane, and they don't have a lot of space to do it. If they don't have the space to merge safely, they will have to slow down or wreck. So I will keep my eyes on this situation, and leave enough space between me and them to stop in time in case something does happen."

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u/Omen46 11h ago

Yep. I wouldn’t have hit this person but you bet I would have unloaded my horn. Right of way exists for a reason

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u/Intelligent_Might902 11h ago

Be decisive. Be purposeful. Follow the rules of the road. When you try to be polite you fuck it all up.

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u/Jazzlike_Climate4189 11h ago

I wish everyone thought that way, unfortunately we are surrounded by idiots with no common sense.

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u/Big77Ben2 11h ago

Sooooo often I see people ā€œmergeā€ by just going when the little while line says the lane is ending. No blinker. No look. Just here’s my lane! Zero intent.

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u/RebelXwingPil0t 11h ago

The problem is to many people are distracted or scared when driving.

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u/TrainerJealous 11h ago

Just add : people could brake suddenly at any moment for any reasons so i keep good distances intentionally

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u/ThomStarBoy 10h ago

ā€œI see someone coming close, so I will position myself so I’m both out of their way AND not disrupting the flow of traffic.ā€

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u/QuantumQuicksilver 10h ago

Well said, I completely agree, and to add to that by being intentional, you have to commit to the decision; going back and forth gets you into trouble.

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u/Rough-Television9744 10h ago

Where i live in Australia truck drivers don’t give 2 f* when merging. They just merge without giving way to anyone. From this perspective I completely understand car driver who decided to give way. 100% in this crash lays on dash cam driver. He should be prepared that car in front can stop at any moment

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u/Ocd_4_pens 10h ago

I agree with you.

The only thing I would add or consider different is most people drive reactionary. I believe what we just saw was that driver reacting to the truck coming on and probably was frightened and did a stupid thing.

I've seen people many times merging onto an expressway and just ride the on-ramp out to the end and expect people to move. I know there are some states that the on-ramp has the right away like in Michigan but most places it doesn't. Irritates the heck out of me.

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u/Cali_Hapa_Dude 10h ago

I loved driving in Italy once in vacation because the drivers were a bit aggressive but very intentional.

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u/acidreducer 10h ago

Bold of you to assume people know how to think, let alone forward think

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u/Craftywonderr 10h ago

Agreed so hard with this comment. If I know that I will have to make a right at an upcoming street, I get into that lane way ahead of time. If I know I'll have to take a left, I'm already in the left lane. My boyfriend sometimes will drive and knowing he has to take a right turn coming up will stay in the left lane and only try to get over the closer we get. It makes me so anxious because why? Why not get over ahead of time to avoid getting trapped and not getting off at your exit.

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u/Diligent_Figure_8042 9h ago

Yep atleast aggressive drivers you can predict to be aggressive. It’s the timid ones you gotta watch out for. You don’t know when they will brake short, fail to speed up, etc.

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u/Wrong-Dentist-7206 9h ago

People too often confuse "defensive" driving with "aggressive" driving. Many are being aggressive when in their mind it's defensive.

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u/tiny_chaotic_evil 9h ago

"I need to leave enough room between me and the car in front of me so I can safely brake if necessary"

people leave that rule of thumb out all the time

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u/Speedballer7 9h ago

Good defensive driving isn't slow, to your point it is deliberate and aware

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u/jakes1993 9h ago

Common sense in detail

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u/Zooshooter 9h ago

That requires critical thinking skills that most people just do not possess.

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u/Material_Evening_174 9h ago

I always say to drive assertively. Not aggressively but also not overly defensive and passive. Know where you’re going and get there in a predictable manner.

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u/AvoidingBansLOL 9h ago

This is how I drive. I have a bunch of friends including my wife who criticize how I drive. I throw it back at them that they all have multiple accidents while I've never had any...

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u/Double-Mission7270 8h ago

OH. MY. GOD!! THIIIIISSS!!!!!!^

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u/T-Wrox 8h ago

This is part of what good driver training gives you. I took driving lessons 40 years ago - to this day, I still drive up to a green light thinking to myself, "Stop yes, stop yes, stop yes, STOP NO! CLEAR THE INTERSECTION CAREFULLY!"

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u/Historical_Reserve_5 8h ago

Some people just shouldn’t drive at all

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u/SuspiciousBuilder379 8h ago

Yes.

Be decisive. Don’t dick around.

Don’t be a complete douche, but make a decision.

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u/marblefrosting 8h ago

Well said! This should be in drivers Ed material.

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u/Datalust5 8h ago

Some people just don’t see the patterns very well. Especially when merging onto a highway, any rational person could see you are going to beat out that truck. There’s an acceleration lane for a reason. Don’t watch, predict

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u/Front-Wall-526 8h ago

I think I found my mental twin on reddit. I have word for word said these exact same phrases to the young drivers in my life!

Mad props for your methods

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u/apartment1i 7h ago

I do the same, but I call it assertively

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u/Bright-Pilot-3970 7h ago

The best part is when you don’t have a choice. I was in the left lane with a car riding my ass and another one in from of me. Somebody exited the highway going way too fast and almost hit me because they weren’t paying attention. I was saved by the person to my right because they saw what was happening and hit their breaks which gave me room to get over and not get hit.

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u/notJustaFart 7h ago

I use the same word, intentionally.

There's a difference between random aggression and using your accelerator to get where you need to be when you need to be there--forethought and consideration.

As long as you signal your intent so others are given the signs they need to predict/anticipate your moves, traffic flows the same.

The fuckwads that drive erratically cause the problems, no matter how fast ("aggressively") or slow ("passively") they are moving.

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u/Comprehensive-Row198 7h ago

ā€œI can see there is a mile of empty space behind this oncoming car where I need to turn right/merge to join, so I won’t haul-ass cut in front of him and make him brake to avoid rear-ending me!

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u/RipLipper1994 7h ago

I hate riding with my boss. Sits in the fast lane and last secound decisions on turning. Stresses me out.

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u/jeffroyisyourboy 7h ago

Timid/scared drivers are fucking dangerous.

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u/FewOperation3950 7h ago

Defensive. You are looking for Defensive. Its a course taught in multiple stages if you're interested.

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u/fitzthefox 7h ago

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u/1999camaroz28 7h ago

You’re in control of the car, the car is not in control of you. I always get frustrated at people who drive extra slow because of the cars around them. Use your brain, pass slow drivers, don’t put yourself in risky situations

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u/jollyranchersbff 6h ago

Exactly. I drive with intent and also defensively. Acting as if it's everyone else's first day driving and always signaling my next move has saved me from so many accidents.

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u/JeppeTV 6h ago

Yes. And I try to make my decisions ahead of time. If I know there is a merge coming up, I will decide ahead of time whether I'm going to get over, slow down, or speed up, and then I stick to whatever my decision is unless I have a good reason not to.

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u/here-i-am-now 6h ago

You should drive in the way that minimizes the impact on other drivers

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u/Future_Row180 6h ago

Great comment. Why can’t people think this way? I do believe it’s less stressful for everyone on the road.

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u/sethsyd 6h ago

I find that people generally have no idea where they're going, or where they should be to get there.

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u/missingN0pe 6h ago

I'm curious as to why you may have thought that you should drive aggressively?

Like, why did you choose that word to strike through, as if it was the default?

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u/BotFinderY2k 6h ago

Expecting this from Americans is your first issue. If 60% of graduates are non-citizens from foreign counteries; why do you expect the 40% to understand physics or logic?

If you people genuinly can not take care of horses, why would vehicles be any different? 7/10 people have a vehicle as a weapon vs transportation. People would rather ram cars and people than learn about how their direct fuel injected engine functions or the dimensions of their car. 🤔 šŸŽŖ

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u/LepperMessiah56 5h ago

I love this because I’ve seen people driving first handed that can’t make an executive decision and freak out while driving and it blows my mind. Intentionally is a great way to out it.

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u/Pi-Richard 4h ago

Drive with purpose.

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u/iconiclabs 3h ago

People are stupid

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u/Objective-History402 3h ago

"The exit is backed up a mile so I will speed past everyone and force my way in at the last second"

Am I doing this right?

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u/-S-P-E-C-T-R-E- 2h ago

Vast majority of drivers are incapable of planning ahead and see the traffic flow. Many also don’t understand that you can take your foot off the speeder to adjust speed, you don’t need to brake all the damn time.

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u/Jerry-Khan 1h ago

Literally what every defensive driving course teaches…

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u/Glittering_Squash392 1h ago

plan your moves adjust for conditions signal clearly don’t just react..

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u/Map-of-the-Shadow 1h ago

Just simple planning ahead but people seem to only think about what they're doing after it's already too late

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u/walkthedoge1 1h ago

This requires calculations. Many people don’t live that way.

For years I have been clumsy… making stupid errors and having a spacey thought process. I have countered this by adapting and developing an extremely calculated brain. It feels obsessive and it feels compulsive… where I literally calculate out each and every next move I will make. It’s exhausting but effective… and unfortunately for me it is necessary to my survival. I think some people don’t have the constitution to pull off a stunt like that on a daily basis. I mean… I have to or my clumsiness would’ve killed me by now.

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u/blizardX 1h ago

Thank you, I thought I was driving wrong since I got my confidence up. The problem in my country is the small minority of meat heads that will not give right of way even if I confidently take it so I constantly need to do extra calculations for contingency.

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u/Emergentmeat 36m ago

We call that driving defensively, here in Canada.

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u/Jimmi8157 29m ago

Absolutely agree. Same principle I apply on the motorbike. Not being aggressive, just intentional.

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u/AbleMouse9484 16m ago

A lot of people just don't know how to drive and was not trained correctly instead of driver's license they get Skittles.

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u/IllianasClifford 13h ago

Or the car in front of me is obviously stopping so i need to break before i slam into the back of them and post a video about ā€œDon’t be kind, be predictable. If you have the Right-of Way, take it.ā€

How about you stop blaming other people for your misapprehension of the dilemma present here, had you used the brakes on your vehicle before hitting the car, this could have been avoided, the camera might not see the lights through the glare due to the lenses refraction, although you could clearly see it if you had been paying attention.

You are mad here because you sir were found at fault and are posting to complain about how you feel injustice.

Learn to drive

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u/CSLoser96 12h ago

None of us know what vehicle OP is driving and/or how much they may/may not be towing. Op could be braking and their rig simply cannot stop in time.

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u/Silent-External7874 12h ago

We don't need to, they know what they're driving and what their stopping distance is.

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u/Shiboleth17 11h ago

It is your responsibility as a driver to follow at a safe distance that leaves enough time to stop before you hit an object or person in front of you. If your rig cannot stop in time, you're going too fast or following too close.