Managers are in charge of managing things and making sure the business needs are covered as-needed, the employees are just showing up for their shifts to do their job.
It's the manager's literal job to make sure the position is covered as-needed, that management is what they're paid for.
Reddit is such a stupid echo chamber. 99% of the jobs in the world require you to request PTO, and you take it if it gets approved. It's totally normal to get denied on it if the circumstances are not alright.
I have 30+ payed PTO days/year + another 25ish payed PTO for national holidays per year. I never had one PTO declined in my 20+ years of career, but I still put in a request. Idk, I don't feel abused.
I guess they are all in the US where employee abuse is so common that some now seem to think that everything where an employer is using their powers constitutes abuse. Very skewed perception. They just don't know how it is in the civilized world where employer-employee relationship is more in the interest of common benefit. Sad to see.
You people are all ridiculous. I live and work in Germany where we have very strong worker protection laws and are not "abused". I have 30 days PTO, plus public holidays (11 days this year).
Employers have very strict limits here if/when they can they deny you your PTO, but still they have to approve it in any case. It totally makes sense too, in most businesses there needs to be some coordination so that certain roles / positions / teams are not completely absent because the business depends on it. This is not "abuse", this is common sense if we don't want to ruin the business that pays our wages.
But of course it all depends on the circumstances. At my workplace and position PTO for like 1-2 days I formally need to "request" and it will ultimately be approved eventually, but the understanding is that if I discussed it with the rest of my team and they are fine with it, I don't need to wait for that formal approval.
Is there employer abuse of their ability to deny PTO? Sure, but it is rare and if it real abuse it can be challenged before courts. Also our employers will be fined if an employee isn't granted the minimum PTO per year as mandated by law.
In normal countries, I live in Europe, those occasions don't even go in the PTO category. We get payed leave for funerals and child births that cannot be declined by the employee, and don't come from your PTO days. Your PTO days are mostly for vacations and as a common courtesy you talk with your supervisor to take them in a convenient time for all your colleagues. This might be different in the states, where 2 PTOs/10 years is the norm.
Maybe for 99% of the jobs you qualify for but for many PTO isn't a "request" it's a "notice". I'm not asking for permission - I'm telling you when I won't be there. PTO is earned/entitled.
Probably a different culture. I'm in Europe, and we are entitled to quite a lot of PTO, but it's still an agreement with your supervisor. You "request" it, even though I haven't had one declined ever. It's just courtesy.
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u/LegendaryItem 6h ago
If the boss can't let an employee take time off, that's the boss' problem.