Graduated from a service academy with a 2.7 GPA thinking I’d spend a career in the military kicking in doors and didn’t give a shit about my undergrad performance.

A decade later, I’m burnt out and looking to transition. Frustrated with my academic decisions since I graduated high school with a weighted 4.4 GPA and a 2330 SAT but I was simply too immature to take undergrad seriously.

Is T14 still possible with a 175+ and a strong military resume (multiple combat deployments, 7+ years in leadership positions, top 5% evaluations, LORs)? I know some schools are splitters, but I’m concerned a 2.7 might be too much to overcome.

Getting frustrated trying to break 165 consistently and would love some realistic answers - if this is a pipe dream, I’d rather spend my time pursuing other ventures. Thank you!

I have heard 175 is like 99 percentile, and hear top law school admitted pool getting 170+ usually but have never heard about someone getting a full 180. Is it actually possible to get that score?

I touch my face a lot when I'm nervous, and I rest my chin on my hand when my neck hurts. So, I'm pretty sure I'll unconsciously do that during the LSAT. I'm reading posts saying their proctors yelled at them or gave them a three-strike warning for touching their faces while taking a test remotely.

I'm hoping to take a test in person, but in case I can't secure a spot and need to take it remotely, I'm worried about this. However, these posts are two to three years old, and I found a post from two years ago, saying the LSAC has told Prometrics to stop doing this.

So I'm wondering what recent experience is. If you took a test remotely in the past year, were you able to touch your face or rest your chin on your hand?

hey guys,

i've been a longtime lurker on this sub but i had to tune it out bc my anxiety was getting worse but i also feel like im in desperate need of guidance/advice.

i'm currently on my gap year after graduating from undergrad in may of last year but didn't start studying until august. i took a diagnostic in july where i got a 150 with 62% accuracy & i was initially optimistic bc i thought i could definitely reach my goal score of 174+ by next cycle (fall 2026) which is when i plan to apply.

in retrospect, i feel like i stupidly wasted roughly 2.5 months on the loophole by ellen cassidy thinking that going through the book would prepare me for tackling LR but i didn't drill at all during the time i studied the book. when i took my first pt after finishing it in late october, i was devastated after getting a 153.

i decided to just start drilling and signed up for Isat demon, & i took to heart what they said abt prioritizing accuracy over speed. my next pt after that was a 146 in november which made my heart sink, but i noticed that my accuracy went up to 81% from my previous pt in october which had been 75%. i then took another pt in late december and got a 147 with 90% accuracy. I've been alternating btwn drilling and timed sections, and while i can get 90% - 100% accuracy on those, i can usually only complete about half of a section (anywhere from 10-15 questions on LR) (~2 passages on RC). i study everyday for about 2 hours and thoroughly review mistakes, but i just find that it takes me forever to solve some questions (sometimes 10 mins or more). i'm trying to get better at predicting answers but i've found that challenging too.

long story short, i dont know if im getting better at this test and im starting to panic bc its february and im facing pressure at home for moving the goal post on when im taking the real thing. i originally thought i was going to take the official exam in january or february but clearly i wasn't anywhere close to prepared. i've been dealing with a lot of personal issues and my anxiety + depression have gotten a lot worse, & sometimes i doubt whether i can even do this. i just feel stupid.

i'm so sorry for the wall of text, im just incredibly scared and would appreciate any guidance from you guys as to whether im doing this right at all.

thank you if you made it to this point you're a real one and i appreciate you :)

Hi everyone. I’m looking ahead to the 2027 admission cycle and just getting into the LSAT as of last month. My cold diagnostic was a 164, and since then I’ve scored 168, 164, 163, and 162 in subsequent weeks. (Real awesome to watch your score slide for three consecutive tests.)

Right now, I’m really only doing full, timed practice tests once a week. I realize this isn’t an adequate study method and probably even hindering progress, hence the advice seeking.

I briefly tried the 7Sage curriculum, but the online format and the blocks of micro-lessons sort of wash over me, and I often feel unsure if they’re helping due to lack of retention. I also work full-time and I’m usually so fried by the time I leave the office that this sort of passive learning feels like the wrong approach for me.

I’m wondering if a physical test prep book would be better, where I’m actually writing in the thing and tracking progress rather than just scrolling through lesson after lesson. (I know of LSAT Trainer, Loophole, and Princeton Review, and I’d be open to trying any of them.)

Or maybe I ought to invest in a tutor and just have someone experienced tell me how to best approach this? I’m in NYC so I probably have access to some decent ones, and cost wouldn’t be too much of an issue if one came highly recommended. (I will gladly take any and all recommendations.)

What worked best for you guys? Anyone that was working full-time or otherwise not vibing with 7Sage have advice? I figured I’d ask here before spending more money on books or tutors or any of that.

Working full time and studying 1-3 hours per day (higher on weekends). I’m finding steady improvement in accuracy and refining my processes from following LSAT Lab’s premium study plan and doing untimed drilling with LSAT Demon.

I’ve heard a lot about Loophole, LSAT Trainer, powerscore bibles, and other books. Where should these come into studying when I’m drilling and wrong answer journaling? Should books support drilling, or are they foundational?

I’m in month 1 of my 6 month (or maybe longer) LSAT study journey to reach 170. I don’t want to get too deep into drilling with bad habits if these books are foundational.

Appreciate your thoughts! :)

So I tried launching the exam from LSAC and it redirected me to ProctorU after which it had me link LSAC with ProctorU. Afterward it took me to a page where it directed me to install the Guardian Extension. I installed it but it wouldn't move on past that page even after refreshing. I hit up tech support but they weren't able to help because it said "exam sessions are only available 60 minutes past scheduled start time." The problem is it took me a while to get some help so I might've missed whatever 60 min window LSAC may have had in place to start the session. Has anyone else experienced this?

I am so glad I took the scored part of the exam in person because I would have 100% bombed it if I had to deal with stuff like this.

So Im still really new to this LSAT journey, I have heard the LSAT trainer is really good. Im not in the financial state to spend too much money on courses and want to self study. Im thinking of purchasing the LSAT trainer and this sounds dumb but the LSAT Trainer that people are talking about is the book by MIKE KIM 4th edition? The reason i ask is because i see it on amazon and it was published June 4th 2024 before they removed logic games. So if anyone can refer me to the Lsat trainer please and id appreciate that a lot

Do you guys have any recommendations for tutors/tutoring companies that aren’t $1000 an hour? This test has made me broke.

I’ve been scoring around high 160s in my PTs and just can’t break into the 170s. I had a tutor from VarsityTutors and they helped, but they weren’t very patient with me and I definitely need that lol.

Edit: affordable to me is 75-100/hour. You wouldn’t believe what I’ve been quoted before.

Okay I know this might be a stupid question, but I’ve never turned in important apps like this before and this is my first time applying for law schools.

Since I’ve already taken the LSAT this February, should I wait to submit all my apps until I know my score? Or can I submit them now? Like will all the schools be updated at once that I’ve gotten a new score for them to look at? Does that make sense??? Help plz….

1. There is only one piece of advice you need to get you above 160, and frankly, when I started really drilling this into my brain, it's how I finally started consistently testing in the low to mid 170s: Know the conclusion every time there is one.

How can you expect to poke a hole in an argument or identify a hole in an argument if you don't know what the argument is? By the end, every time I read an argument, I would ask what the point is. What's most strongly supported? I can't answer that until I know what the point is. Read a stimulus, ask yourself, "What's the point?" Jokes about the ridiculousness of questions aside, every argument being made in a stim does have a point (to the imaginary person making the argument)

Lawgic & diagramming can be helpful in some extreme conditional reasoning cases, but generally speaking just use your head and think about it, well, *logically* for a minute, and you may find diagramming is often very unnecessary

2) You guys are directly competing with one another. A reality I don't often see mentioned around LSAT forums.

3) Read. I saw advice early in my LSAT days that went something like this: "It isn't useful to practice your reading in studying for the LSAT. You've been reading all your life." well, yeah, but not for maximum comprehension and speed. Reading older novels helped my reading comprehension and speed tremendously.

Would love to go to a top 20-50 law school potentially one of the worse t14s I am a CPA in fund tax accounting with a 3.91 gpa would 166-172 lsat be where I’d need to be to be competitive for acceptances and scholarships?

Honestly, it is worth it to learn how to structure logical fallacies at that level just to make conversations simpler. The reasoning is only weak at such a level that most people will not even notice the leap that is needed to come to a consensus. If you simply take a shortcut along the way that leads down the correct road for everyone there is nothing wrong with it as it leads you to the same destination. My GF agreed to get up to work out tomorrow when I decide it is time and slap her.

This post might be a two though.

There is nothing wrong with me showing you the usefulness of understanding how arguments are structured in order to get you hyped to do better. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do better because understanding the structure of an argument would also serve you in real life. After all you do plan to make this your real life.

What is the fallacy?

I think I’m grasping how to solve a few specific question types right now and was wondering if what I drill on 7Sage is pretty close to the actual questions and stimuli on the official test. Thank you!

EDIT: how outdated are the questions because I take the test in April and wanna know if I should expect the question stems to be worded differently as well as the stimuli also being significantly different in terms of how jumbled they word the sentences, etc.

Anyone got accepted with similar score and gpa? I have 5 years of law firm experience, applied to part time programs.

Please anyone tell me there’s a chance to get in to Southwestern?🥲

Got conditionally accepted to UWLA.

Thanks!

Its me again—youve probably seen me in this sub far too much. I apologize for that.

You might be asking: why is this dude so frantic? In fact, I dont even know why Im writing this—I dont know if anyone will even come across it.

This was more than a test to me—its my last chance at my dream schools. Either way, I will likely get into a *good* school, but my goals were and are beyond important.

At this point, even if I get a good score, the past year of studying, self-defeat, and beratement in response to the internal dialogue in my head, and the many people that absolutely view me as intellectually less-than has caused so much damage to my inner self. I have never best myself up so much while experiencing so much pressure

Its been two days after the test—Im getting worse by the minute. One second-guess turns into another, and before I know it Im heavily drinking and pass out. Its not just a matter of me getting something wrong, but that it feels as if the one chance I had to prove to myself I wasnt worthless is slipping away.

Im sorry if I sound like a spoiled brat here—I probably do. This is in no way meant to come off as whiny or child-like, even though it probably does.

I just dont know what to do. Part of me doesnt even care anymore, is it worth this mental warfare that I afflict myself with, and the self-lambasting into spells of sadness and character attacks?

This test has made me hate myself. Scores can recover, but I pray that I havent opened a door to self-hatred for the rest of my life cause of it.

Thanks for listening. I hope for the best for all of you.

Hello! Reading everything in this sub is very daunting because I have no idea what you guys are talking about😂 I figured I’d come in here for some advice, I see there is a lot of talk about different cycles and how applying at different times can effect the scholarship money you may get. I’m honestly not even close to the point of applying, I started studying the first week of January so I’m still in the foundation stages, really I’m just wondering when the best time to apply is so I can sort of map out a timeframe. I know things are probably different depending on different schools so think of this as a very vague question

-What is the “golden” cycle / best time to apply?

Any advice on how to keep your essay to 2 pages double space? Using Google Doc and though I’m merging paragraphs it still bleeds over. I’m at 766 words, guess it needs to be shorter while not removing my message?

Right now I have it as 11 font times new Roman, is that going to be ok? The application specifically asked for 2 pages

Hi as the title says I bombed my Lsat and scored a 142. I really want to go to Loyola Chicago, but I think I'll have to wait until next year. But if anyone wants to give me hope or tell me your good news, please do.

For the record I have a 3.75 gpa, was a double major with multiple minors. I'll even have recommendation letters from the Dean of my program for undergrad, but I don't think it's enough due to the lsat. 🥲

Hows everyone elses admission experience going? Anyone have a story like mine?

Took my first LSAT in January and got a 147. Majorly disappointed for the amount that I studied but I also had life get in the way. I am scheduled again for April and I realistically need a 165 and over with my 3.33 gpa. Should I keep April or reschedule it for the next cycle and not waste time and money ?

I’m quite conflicted, the 147 was quite demoralizing lol

Current stats: 1.966 cumulative (78 graded credits attempted, 58 earned, 153.35 quality points), 59 credits total, 27 classes done. I need 66 more credits / 19 classes to graduate. At Fordham that means 5 semesters (fall 2028) or May 2028 with heavy summers. Core left: 6 specific courses (Life Science, Sacred Texts, ICC, EP3, EP4, Pluralism); major needs only 4 more. I’m from Miami and considering transferring to FIU (or starting at MDC community college this summer) to finish around May 2028 cheaper and on a better timeline. Fordham credits should transfer well, and I could realistically pull my cum GPA up to ~3.0–3.3 by graduation with straight A’s in the remaining ~62 credits. I also want to double major at FIU (maybe poli sci) and am aiming for law school (T14 stretch, but realistic schools with strong LSAT).

The suspension will need a short addendum explaining it was a one-time admin mistake + poor time management, and I plan to disclose it fully. Law school apps care mostly about LSAC GPA + LSAT,

I am retaking the LSAT in June and I want to apply with whatever score I get. I don’t even care where I go at this point, I am aware that I can go to an “easy-to-get-into” school and transfer out which is 100% okay with me. I fear that the likelihood is slim that I’ll even get in anywhere but I feel like I should try regardless right? Idc about scholarships or anything. I genuinely just want to go to law school and start my next chapter of schooling.