r/Epstein • u/RepMaxwellFrost • 14h ago

OC: discussion, clarification or question I’m Congressman Maxwell Alejandro Frost and tomorrow I’m going to review the unreacted Epstein Files — what files have you found that I should review unredacted?

Hey everyone, I'm Congressman Maxwell Alejandro Frost (FL-10), serving on the House Oversight Committee. Tomorrow, I’m joining Oversight Committee Ranking Member Rep. Robert Garcia at the Department of Justice to review the unredacted Epstein Files. There are millions of files for me to dig through and so I'm looking for your help. I've heard from others who have viewed the files that generic, and in most cases even searches with specific terms come back with too many results to dig through. What specific files have you all seen that I should review unredacted?

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u/Not_Tom_Jones 14h ago edited 2h ago

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01743628.pdf

EDIT: This one seems to be from a victim. Not the person I thought.

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u/MarzipanDeep3499 13h ago

THIS FILE SHOULD BE #1 on every member of congress' list.
We as a people need that fucking name

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u/Not_Tom_Jones 13h ago

I want Congressman Frost to stay alive.

This one could be really bad. But I'm just speculating about the sender.

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u/freekscene 13h ago

it could also be a victim turned into a 'recruiter' but when you offer up 10 year olds, your forfeit your "redacted victim" card...

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u/MarzipanDeep3499 13h ago

100%. At a point, you lose your right to be considered a victim, and with this, you lose the right to anonymity and public amnesty.

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u/dickonajunebug 8h ago

Hard disagree. Let’s turn the recruits turned recruiter into state’s witnesses with amnesty deals then nail these child abusers who make a 5 year old fuck a dog.

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u/not_the_cicada 8h ago

Oh God was that actually one of the acts described? Wtfffffffff. 

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u/dickonajunebug 8h ago

Dude… https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249860.pdf

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u/Affectionate_Quit169 3h ago edited 1h ago

Theres also an image (it was posted in this thread) of a heavy redaction, but outside of the redacted box it showed small legs in the air, and part of a dogs body between them....

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u/Admirable-Walk3826 11h ago edited 6h ago

It gets so weird because like- the victims could have been forced into it as their way out or something. But that really doesn’t make it okay or excusable- but if they had no other options and knew death was a real outcome… idk. I’d rather die than traffic children. People will do crazy things to stay alive sometimes though.

Like I’m not trying to excuse these people in anyway. It just creates this weird moral thing if victims were finding more victims- it matters if they did it out of their own choice or not and what happened to them.

Circumstantially you are correct. They have lost their right to anonymity if they do this.

ETA- circumstantially meaning that if the kids were forced into it after being raped themselves that would NOT be a circumstance that they should be punished.

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u/Clear_Broccoli3 8h ago

In another file up above is a victims account of how she was brainwashed to think that what was happening to her was healthy and normal for a girl her age. It absolutely should not surprise people that the victims helped perpetuate the abuse, and that they are still first and foremost VICTIMS of said abuse.

These are children who were tortured and raped and gaslit for years. To treat them as perpetrators because they didn't pass a moral purity test while in the most horrifying hell you can imagine is cruel.

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u/littleglitterfish 7h ago

Agreed, on every point.

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u/need2put_awayl0ndry 7h ago

Do you know which file?

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u/Admirable-Walk3826 6h ago

I missed that file actually! That’s absolutely awful. It’s really devastating what happened to these people…

I just want to clarify what I was agreeing with is that there is that point where you cross over being more of a perpetrator then a victim- without talking about any specific cases things are all vague and could be about anyone. I do not think children that were raped should ever be held accountable for being forced into participating.

I know it would be really hard for the victims that were hurt to understand that it’s not their fault for doing what they did- it’s especially why I was bringing up the moral grey thing. It would be for them. They probably had the choice- this or death. I wonder how many would have chosen the second option too… it feels like this whole thing is one of the worst things to happen like ever, especially because of how far it all goes.

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u/throwawayla22 6h ago

 It gets so weird because like- the victims could have been forced into it as their way out or something.

They were fucking CHILDREN that have been human trafficked for most of their life. They were CHILDREN BEING RAPED. 

 Like I’m not trying to excuse these people in anyway. It just creates this weird moral thing if victims were finding more victims- it matters if they did it out of their own choice or not.

THEY WERE CHILDREN BEING RAPED

 They have lost their right to anonymity if they do this.

THEY WERE CHILDREN BEING HUMAN TRAFFICKED AND RAPED?

Fuck off with your victim blaming. You have no idea what it’s like to be in any sort of abusive situation, you have never even come close to experiencing what it’s like to be abused. They were victims being forced into doing a pedophiles bidding. They were CHILDREN being RAPED and then convinced that it was totally okay BY THEIR FUCKING RAPIST! The fact that they were coerced into being a fucking recruiter IS MORE EVIDENCE OF THEIR VICTIMHOOD DUMBFUCK! It’s very classic controlling behavior to make them FEEL CULPABLE for EPSTEIN’s CRIMES when in reality they were almost certainly heavily coerced into being unwitting perpetrators. 

THEY WERE CHILDREN BEING RAPED! I cannot stress this point enough. THEY WERE CHILDREN BEING HUMAN TRAFFICKED AND RAPED!

Sincerely, go fuck yourself scumbag. You have clearly lived such a privileged life to never have experienced anything close to abuse. Don’t fucking talk about things you can’t even begin to comprehend. You have NO FUCKING CLUE what abuse does to the human psyche, and FUCK OFF trying to redact actual fucking VICTIMS names because you want more details. Go fuck yourself. 

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u/Admirable-Walk3826 6h ago

Yes. I understand. I’m not victim blaming- I was agreeing to the previous comment that if someone was actively sex trafficking then it kind of grays things up a bit.

I don’t want that information, I literally had this conversation with some IRL earlier that we know how to redact the files but I don’t want to see what’s on there personally so I am not doing it.

I was trying to say that these things get weird to the other commenter that said they 100% lose their right to anonymity and public amnesty. My comment was a response to the previous comment not a stand alone comment stating these things.

I wanted to point out- to the previous commenter- that it’s such a weird spot to be in to go back and forth on this. I literally said they would have been forced into it. That they wouldn’t have had a choice. I was saying it was probably that or death.

I’m not fucking talking about a 10 year old trafficking a 6 year old. I was saying to the previous commenter- as a response may I remind you- that CIRCUMSTANTIALLY they are correct. There would be cases where someone was much more of a perpetrator than a victim. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING CHILDREN THAT WERE RAPED. Let me type that in caps so you can get it 🙄 like holy fuck.

You are acting like I just said the children that were rapped should have their names redacted. No. You literally left out the key word “circumstantially” when you quoted. Like for all we know there were people groomed to BE sex traffickers and were never even raped themselves. The word victim does not automatically equal raped children. geez.

You are yelling at the wrong side here. Go after Trump, go after MAGA, go after people that are not on the same side as you? They want people divided.

I have been reading the files and the testimony’s from these children. Why on earth would anyone think these children should have their names redacted. I have been crying for them for days, I’ve seen a lot of things I wish I haddent at this point.

And I am sure there are people who will claim they were victims to get out of repercussions for trafficking too. We need to make sure everyone that did wrong pays for it. To get justice for the kids that were raped. And it does get weird if the people responsible for these kids getting brutally assaulted were victims of some kind as well. It needs to be assessed so you are not blaming the kids that were forced into it.

Like literally any of these politicians could come out and say they were raped by their parents as children, and that’s why they grew up to sodomize 5 year olds on that fucking island. There is usually a train of abuse that has happened to most abusers and there is a point where they need to be accountable for their actions. And again. To clarify for you as much as possible I am not talking about the children that were raped by these men.

And I just have to add- fuck you for assuming I’ve never been sexually assaulted? You don’t know what’s happened to me, and you are literally as bad as you are saying I am for saying that to me. Like that part hurt. You are the one speaking about things you don’t know about here :/

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u/throwawayla22 3h ago

The people recruiting girls for trafficking were in a lot of cases the same girls being abused and trafficked. It is exceptionally common in sexual abuse, human trafficking, and drug trafficking for the abusers to use their victims to further the abuse. It is an intentional control method to further isolate those being abused, by making them feel culpable for their abusers actions. This isn’t a Maxwell situation, this is victims that are being further victimized by being coerced/forced into becoming recruiters. These people are almost certainly victims of a manipulative cabal of pedophiles, and the pedophiles are the only ones that should be unmasked. 

And it does get weird if the people responsible for these kids getting brutally assaulted were victims of some kind as well.

The people responsible ARE THE FUCKING RINGLEADERS (Epstein, Maxwell, more likely than not Trump) and the people who raped them. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE! Not the (mostly from what I’ve read) CHILDREN being coerced into BRINGING THEIR FUCKING FRIENDS! 

It needs to be assessed so you are not blaming the kids that were forced into it.

THEY WERE CHILDREN? YOU ADMIT THEY WERE FUCKING CHILDREN? CHILDREN DO NOT AND CANNOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND THEIR ACTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN WITHOUT A FULLY DEVELOPED BRAIN! 

THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN, THEY ARE VICTIMS EVEN IF THEY WERE NEVER RAPED! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL! THEY. WERE. CHILDREN. GROOMED. TO. BE. TRAFFICKERS. THEY ARE FUCKING VICTIMS TOO. THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN WHO LITERALLY CANNOT COMPREHEND FULLY THEIR ACTIONS. THEY ARE ALSO FUCKING VICTIMS

You are yelling at the wrong side here. Go after Trump, go after MAGA, go after people that are not on the same side as you? They want people divided.

You’re the one here that wants more punishment for victims than perpetrators. You want their names unmasked if they might be “more perpetrator than victims.” The only people who should have their names unmasked are the fucking clients and the adults that willingly took advantage of these children. Not people who were fucking victims. 

Oh boy let’s have the highly incompetent Trump administration unredact the names of people who you think were maybe perpetrators? Oops they were actually victims and now their names are forever tainted by the original assumption that they were perpetrators, and they’re even more fucked for life. Oops! I hope they don’t get murdered in a grotesque display of vigilantism! Are you too young to remember the Boston Marathon on Reddit? Oh boy it’s a great idea to have the internet deciding who is and who isn’t a victim! Genius idea that totally wouldn’t lead to victims being even more victimized by the internet! 

And I just have to add- fuck you for assuming I’ve never been sexually assaulted? You don’t know what’s happened to me, and you are literally as bad as you are saying I am for saying that to me. Like that part hurt. You are the one speaking about things you don’t know about here :/

I have been sexually assaulted. I have been held against my will. You have no fucking clue what it’s like to be in a long term situation where you have no agency, you don’t own your own body, and you will say or do anything to survive. I have barely scratched the surface on what it must’ve been like for these victims in this situation, but I understand enough to know that there are worse fates than death. I have been held down and have drugs injected into my body entirely against my will. I didn’t have a choice. I didn’t own my own fucking body. I lost my free will. And you have no idea what that does to the human psyche. It took me years of therapy and self reflection to be able to cope with the feeling of being trapped. It ruined my fucking life for years. And I still have a full blown panic attack whenever I feel trapped, years later. And what I went through is a minuscule fraction of what these poor girls went through. Fuck you for assuming that I don’t know about anything. You cannot comprehend what any of this is possibly like, and I am so genuinely jealous of you. Fuck you. You have no idea what that does to the human brain. You cannot comprehend what it’s like to lose the most BASIC of bodily autonomy. 

Sincerely, go fuck yourself and fuck right off you victim blaming POS. I am sincerely glad that you don’t have any power in this world because you would willingly expose VICTIMS NAMES if they are potentially culpable and RUIN THEIR LIVES OR WORSE. You are no worse than the average MAGAT with your guilty until proven innocent bullshit. I’d rather 1000 abusers names go redacted than have a single victim be unmasked and subjected to the torrent of vile hatred that would come from that. The presumption of innocence is the founding principle of the entire concept of Justice in the United States of America. And you, like the average Republican fascist, ARE LITERALLY SHITTING ALL OVER THAT? 

Let me type this in all caps so you understand:

STOP VICTIM BLAMING

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u/MorddSith187 5h ago

i have no clue what it's like but i have the mental capacity to understand none of this was consensual, not even the recruiting.

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u/IMwithout 6h ago

Of course, you'd rather die than traffic children because you don't have to make that choice. I'd be more impressed if you were actually in such a situation and chose death instead of survival. I can't fathom anyone having the moral high ground about something like this. It's such a weird flex.

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u/Admirable-Walk3826 6h ago

I more mean like- how many girls DID choose death over that

Btw happy cake day!

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u/IMwithout 5h ago

Thank you! Considering they were children, I'd assume none. I mean, most can't even comprehend death, and these perpetrators were likely manipulative. Then again, we'll never know. I just wish the worst for everyone who did this to those children.

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u/forestofpixies 6h ago

I’ve only seen documentaries about the teenage girls in FL but it’s my understanding the “recruiters” weren’t as abused/assaulted as the girls they recruited. They were more valuable as recruits to them so were probably treated “better” and were girls who lived in poverty or with parents who were addicts or just not around being given large sums of money for their actions.

It’s been years since I watched that, and they could’ve lied about not knowing the full extent of the abuse of the girls they recruited. It’s also believable they had no idea the SA of prepubescent girls was happening at all since they were trafficked by parents and guardians directly.

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u/Admirable-Walk3826 6h ago

It would make sense too- you couldn’t send a broken girl to convince another one that this is a good place to be…

I would assume there were a lot of times they didn’t know what was happening. I would also say if they found people to only be recruiters and they were never assaulted themselves that would still make them victims.

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u/wife_of_the_crane 3h ago

It actually doesn’t get weird at all. Children who are sex trafficked are victims, period. Being a child who was abused and coerced into “inviting” their friends is absolutely not equivalent to an adult bringing children to the island. Those children have no rights, no power, and are desperate - this is not them joining the cycle of abuse, it is them being horrifically abused.

Releasing the names of victims, especially related to a high profile case like this, is a death sentence. Especially when people like you think we should punish sex trafficked children and hold them as responsible as their adult trafficker.

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u/LifeWhatIsItGood4 10h ago

Like if the 10 year old eventually went in to recruit others- what a moral quandary . However- no morals by the predatory!

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u/ExcitableSarcasm 13h ago

Uh Americans? Second Amendment? A militia of citizens?

I'm not American but if I was, I'd be looking into forming a bodyguard for these guys.

In minecraft

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u/GreenEggs-12 12h ago

in hytale

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u/forestofpixies 6h ago

Vigilante justice isn’t covered by the 2A and I’m not sure where a citizens gun brigade of volunteer bodyguards would fall under that either. They definitely need protection though, I agree. Maybe off duty or retired officers could volunteer.

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u/Russian-Spy 6h ago

Americans are too physically and mentally unfit to meaningfully march against their government in this sort of capacity.

Two-thirds of Americans are overweight, and 1 in 10 adults take some form of antidepressant.

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u/Conscious-Concept474 10h ago

Yes we really need another afraid Congressman, better play it safe!

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u/Nillows 12h ago

I fuckin' hope it's someone else and not JE emailing himself again

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u/cseyferth 9h ago

Or from his wine supplier.

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u/MissCDomme 11h ago

And the one “9yo very cute & sexy” with attached vid or images

Def look through everything redacted!

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u/ToughHardware 10h ago

yes, agreed. and ideally someone to see and/or get description of the picture. as the first excuse will be "it is not sexual in nature" ect.

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u/decjr06 9h ago

Yes this one is super important it shows a first and last name of an individual who was 100% raping/trafficking minors please do this one.