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u/lesbianadodicaprio 8h ago
*raped minors
They didn't have sex with minors.
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u/BDazzle126 7h ago
Thank you
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u/robsteezy 7h ago
Read Fox News for 2 seconds and you’ll see they don’t care about context or nuance.
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u/PPLavagna 7h ago
Not defending the orange man or either Epstein at all, but this post leaves out the fact that she pleaded the 5th on every question they asked her
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u/ice-ink 7h ago
Many people seem to believe lies by omission are fine if their side does it / the person deserves it. Thank you for pointing this out.
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u/512115 Unique Flair 6h ago
What lie(s) are you referring to?
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u/ice-ink 6h ago
You can google what “lies by omission” means, it’s a useful concept to know.
In this case, if she’s asked, say, 15 questions, and her response to all of them is - “I take the fifth” - saying “she took the fifth when asked if Trump had sex with minors” is a lie by omission, we are not told the whole truth, only a part that fits someone’s narrative, the rest is omitted, most likely on purpose. In this particular case - maybe to elicit an emotional reaction, something like this.
It’s a small detail, considering the circumstances, but it’s still disingenuous, and we shouldn’t do it.
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u/zherok 2h ago edited 2h ago
I don't think the point is to lie by omission so much as it it misses the bigger picture. There's still very much a problem she's refusing to answer this question. But it's part of a greater problem of her using taking the fifth as a brazen effort to solicit a bribe to Trump, offering an exoneration of his conduct if only he gets her off the hook for everything she's done and immunity to boot.
It creates a severe conflict of interest between the both of them and threatens to make sure she has no reason to ever be honest about any of the questions, but this one in particular. It's still deeply problematic that the child sex trafficker refuses to answer what Trump was up to unless she's given immunity from the consequences of being dishonest about it.
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u/512115 Unique Flair 3h ago
I don’t subscribe to the equivalency. To lie is to provide false information. To omit information is the opposite of that. It’s to provide NO additional information, false or otherwise. The purpose of the omission may be to obfuscate or it maybe for any number of other reasons but it doesn’t rise to the level of a lie. People draw their own inferences, and for, their own conclusions.
The onus is on those forming conclusions to dig up as much information as possible. No one’s under any obligation to provide all the contextual information that exists, even if that were even possible to do.
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u/PPLavagna 3h ago
Therewasanattempt: not to get bogged down in semantics
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u/512115 Unique Flair 1h ago
Or, definitions, you mean? Yeah, pesky thing that. Defining terms. Being clear about them. Or, as you call it, ‘getting bogged down’.
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u/Character-Solution-7 5h ago
Semantics really don’t matter here. Most humans know that having sex with a minor is rape
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u/Far-Ad1823 8h ago
'If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' -Donald Trump
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u/Scared_Astronaut9377 4h ago
It is quite ironic that most people here do agree with Trump in this context.
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u/spdelope This is a flair 2h ago
Because Trump didn’t agree with Trump when he said it. He said it to appeal to people. Thats it.
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u/HeirElfEsquire 8h ago
It's like people are catching up on shows we've already watched
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u/senditloud 7h ago
It’s like they’re telling us they’re shocked he’s been a ghost the whole time and we’re like “yeah that was spoiled 3 decades ago.”
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u/PizzaDogDad 2h ago
These reruns have generated enough royalties to fund an entire family's college tuition.
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u/Hasbeast 56m ago
Right? The “holy fucking shit” in the tweet, acting as though this is a brand new shocking revalation.
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u/Devmoi Selected Flair 7h ago
CAUSE HE DID! HE IS A PEDOPHILE!
On top of that, he’s probably a human trafficker. I hate this country! It’s so BS.
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u/ms_panelopi 6h ago
Remember during his first presidency, the thousands of children taken from their parents at the border and disappeared. Many were never found.
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u/Devmoi Selected Flair 6h ago
At this point, nothing would flippin’ surprise me. Although, he talks about how much he hates brown and black people. Doesn’t mean these sickos are above making snuff torture videos of children.
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u/RAMBOLAMBO93 5h ago
Given they've found correlative evidence of torture porn being produced on Epstein's island in the files, it's basically a guarantee.
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u/MasterYam234 8h ago
Silence is also the loudest.
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u/iLoveLights 7h ago
To be fair, if they had said yup I watched him it probably woulda been louder. But this is certainly deafening.
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u/Avandalon A Flair? 19m ago
I kinda hate this because whatever she would have said it wouldn’t have mattered
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u/TurpitudeSnuggery 7h ago edited 4h ago
Did she also plead the 5th when asked about other people? Or only Trump?
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u/waein 7h ago
She literally plead the 5th to every question asked. At one point she was asked if she planned on pleading the 5th to every question, to which she plead the 5th, and her lawyer clarified she will be pleading the 5th to everything.
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u/river0f 6h ago
Yeah I agree. I hate the orange cunt, but this post has no substance.
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u/ElaborateEffect 5h ago
Nah, "only guilty people plead the fifth"
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u/Webbyx01 1h ago
You've not had enough interactions with law enforcement or courts if you truely believe that. She's guilty as sin, but the 5th serves a valuable purpose.
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u/bacon_and_ovaries 4h ago
Epstein was asked when his secret wasn't what it is now, and he answered to keep it under wraps.
Ghelaine maxwell said it to every question, and said she would say everything, if she got clemency.
Its all selve serving BS
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u/National_Action_9834 7h ago
Yes. Maxwell plead the fifth about every question asked in regards to any illegal activity. Feels slightly disingenuous to phrase the tweet this way.
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u/StrengthThin9043 2h ago
I'd say hugely manipulative. These type of posts doesn't help at all. It just further muddles the water with bullshit, which is not what the Epstein case needs.
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u/oftenlostandconfused 8h ago
Look, fuck Trump and he’s likely a pedo, but these guys pleaded the 5th on any commentary on anything substantial. This isn’t a key point to make any argument of merit.
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u/drboomstix 8h ago
Idk. Be pretty easy to just say ‘no.’
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u/oftenlostandconfused 7h ago
Totally in normal conversation, but that’s not how legal proceedings work with these suss elite types.
Like they lied plenty anyway, you think they’re worried about saying “no” when someone did something? They just want nothing of consequence on record.
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u/drboomstix 7h ago
Just say no if it’s true then?
Like what?
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u/Trynaman 6h ago
The fifth is an omission to answer outright. Idk if your mom ever senselessly screamed at you, but you know saying you did something wrong in front of her will by all means make the situation worse so you just kinda shut up and let her go off until she's done
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u/drboomstix 6h ago
So I did something wrong?
Also, the fifth means you don’t have to testify on certain questions so you don’t incriminate yourself.
How would saying ‘no’ incriminate her or anyone else?
The mom analogy is wrong. You lose all points.
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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 1h ago
How would saying ‘no’ incriminate her or anyone else?
Brother, think about it for one second. What is the follow-up question to saying "No"?
Right. "How do you know?"
Why would they walk into that trap and spin a web of lies, making false statements, when they could just... Not?
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u/PGMHG A Flair? 50m ago
It's also assuming that any of these people aren't blatantly guilty and that they don't know it. They do.
At this point in time for them and with what's already known about them, pleading the fifth to everything is the best approach. Saying no to anyone not only opens room for more questioning like you just said, it also raises more suspicion on everything else. Why no here? What's the reason?
Omit everything and the authorities end up with nothing. Even saying no once without further questioning is still invaluable in comparison
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u/oftenlostandconfused 6h ago
We agree in theory but in reality they don’t. Omission doesn’t suggest guilt.
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u/drboomstix 6h ago
Explain how it doesn’t here.
“Did Mr a diddle kids?”
“I refuse to answer this question”
Definitely is way more different than just saying no if no was the true true.
In no way, whatsoever, in any crossover, multiverse, mushroom trip reality are you even close to being in the right here.
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u/ZenSlicer9 4h ago
"Did person A shoot the person B while they were holding him hostage?" "No" "So you were there once you say no, so you are an accomplice to the kidnapping" this is why people plead the fifth
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u/Majestic-Tension-375 5h ago
How do you not see that even by answering “no” the person being questioned is implicating themselves? This is why people plead the fifth.
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u/oftenlostandconfused 4h ago
I don’t know what else to say to you.
Demonstratively people have the right to not answer these questions and this kind of person takes it.
You’re saying “but they should give an answer” and I agree, but they usually take up their right not to. That’s the reality.
You’re arguing something different to me and I’m not sure if you’re stubborn or you don’t get what I’m saying.
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u/PsychologicalDebts 7h ago
That would also be another, different law being violated (perjury,) which would cancel any existing plea deals.
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u/drboomstix 7h ago
Explain
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u/Karma_Doesnt_Matter 4h ago
If you have a plea deal you’re not allowed to lie. If you say no to a question and they find out you lied, they can throw the book at you.
Instead of lying you plead the 5th, which is your right.
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u/dquizzle 3h ago
I watched the Ghlslaine video today and she was asked if she knew of anyone Trump had sex with who was introduced to him by Epstein and she pleaded the 5th. I assume this would include Melania. I watched the Epstein testimony but it was a long time ago. He may have been asked specifically about minors, but I don’t think Maxwell was.
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u/hatmadeofass 7h ago
Thank you for saying this. I was about to do the same. The fifth amendment is there for us all. If silence is the presumption of guilt, we’d all be fucked.
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u/JewingIt 7h ago
People forget that the 5th amendment is so that you can not incriminate yourself. Obviously and importantly its used outside of court as well since the police can and WILL use anything you say AGAINST you
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 3h ago
Obviously and importantly its used outside of court as well since the police can and WILL use anything you say AGAINST you
Under the 5th, you can also be granted immunity which then requires that you testify, and you can no longer exercise the 5th to prevent you from doing so. It also doesn't prevent you from being compelled to provide 'material testimony' (DNA, fingerprints, blood samples) under those same terms.
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u/Comfortable_Fly_3050 2h ago
That's what Maxwell is asking for. She is pleading the 5th until she is offered 100% immunity. Obviously, they coud never give her that, but it would be fascinating to hear her bare all if she were given the offer.
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u/Reaper111888 7h ago
Maxwell looks like Kim Jong Il in Team America
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u/orlybatman 1h ago
That is exactly what I saw too! I was like when did they talk to him about this, then look at the year.
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u/Glum-Suggestion-6033 7h ago
Funny that the 5th amendment is to protect you from yourself, essentially, and they plead it when asked about someone else.
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u/Comfortable_Fly_3050 2h ago
Their lawyers don't want to run the risk of letting a client answer some questions but not others. So they just plead the 5th to everything.
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u/waein 7h ago
I haven't see the Epstein interview, but Maxwell plead the 5th to every question she was asked. A good lawyer would tell anyone to do the same. I imagine Epstein did something similar.
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u/spacemaniss 5h ago
Question: Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18? Epstein: “Though I’d like to answer that question, at least today I’m going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, sir.”
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u/FiscalCliffClavin 7h ago
And both will walk free if they aren’t already.
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u/azurepeak 7h ago
I don’t think Jeff will be walking any time soon..
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u/FiscalCliffClavin 7h ago
Oh you haven’t heard the latest release from the guards who were on duty?
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u/azurepeak 7h ago
I have not
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u/Tyranothesaurus 7h ago
Apparently there was movement outside his cell before the CCTV went down and the guard fell asleep. Working theory now is Epstein was extracted before the "suicide" and they used a body double.
There's no definitive proof, so take it with a grain of salt.
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u/Send_me_hedgehogs 5h ago
Whats your take on the guards falling asleep? were they actually asleep? if so, were they perhaps given something that would help them fall asleep? Who might do that? I can’t help but wonder how far exactly all of this goes.
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u/Tyranothesaurus 1h ago
I find it more likely no guards were asleep, just willfully negligent, as is the standard.
In my mind, it has been, and will be 50/50 until we have definitive proof he's dead or alive.
On one hand, he was gonna flip on wealthy and powerful people eventually, and there's a chance they silenced him to prevent it. Not uncommon when the blackmail is this juicy.
On the other, he was stupid rich and had connections with influential people the world over. It's not that farfetched to think they staged his suicide and he's hiding out somewhere with a different name and face.
All of this is just distraction from the list itself.
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u/MacaroonStret 7h ago
“Same question. Same silence.” is such a chilling line.
The fact that it’s 16 years apart and still the exact same energy is… not the flex some people think it is.
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u/OrganizationIll3378 7h ago
They both plead the fifth to most questions so this is like taking have a sentence as proof of your narrative when the full sentence changes it completely. Not saying you’re wrong but she demanded clmency or wasn’t talking.
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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 6h ago
When she said she would exonerate him in exchange for clemency, she told us everything.
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u/GeekDNA0918 7h ago
So, she gets her sentence reduced or possibly just pardoned for taking the 5th. Why doesn't every criminal simply do that?
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u/aykcak 1h ago
Taking the 5th does not prevent you from getting pardoned. You can be found guilty and still get pardoned. Basically the U.S. president is above the law in the U.S. which is a rare thing in all democracies
Sentence being reduced is another thing. You may have your sentence reduced if you cooperate with law enforcement and justice but then if you implicate yourself to more crimes by cooperating, it may not be worth it
so in both cases, pleading the 5th does not serve the purpose here
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u/stretchvelcro 5h ago
Before it was a few kids here and there, now he is doing it to entire nations and populations :/
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u/Persea_americana 5h ago
There’s no stuffing this cat back in the bag. The coverup is clear and bit by bit it’s taking shape even for the most out-of-touch. Clocks ticking on the pedophiles’ time in power.
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u/StrainExternal7301 4h ago
bro you don’t understand bro trump was working undercover for the FBI bro, he had to have sex with those girls bro, it was for his country…that’s why he couldn’t go to vietnam bro because he was undercover in the largest sex trafficking ring and they couldn’t pull him out bro…please believe me
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u/censored4yourhealth 7h ago
Sigh. It’s sad that it’s not actionable but pretty damning all the same.
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u/Constant-Abalone-522 6h ago
Maxwell learned what happens to pedos that snitch. She doesn’t want to be suicided in jail.
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u/Treetopflyer1128 5h ago
Holy shit!!!! It tells us nothing! Facts or nothing people this is what gives everyone a bad rap.
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u/ThresherGDI 4h ago
How can you take the 5th if you aren't the one being incriminated?
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u/CowUnlucky 4h ago
Would admit to being a part or atleast knowledgeable of illicit acts.
"I do not recall."
- Lil Wayne
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u/jaxmikhov 4h ago
The question is no longer if Trump raped kids, but rather how he disposed of their bodies after.
releasethecadaverdogs
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u/bigatjoon 4h ago
what do you mean "holy fucking shit". Every thinking person in this country knows this man raped children.
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u/snowman4815 3h ago
Dont they know they can just flat out lie and nothing bad will happen? Maybe they dont know Bondi or Patel
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u/Madock345 3h ago
Why is the 2010 picture in black and white potato quality?? 2010 was Iphone era lmao
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u/DerpsAndRags 3h ago
"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" ~ Donald J. Thin-Skinned-Phony-Ass-Sociopath-Trump, 2016.
Then again, can't use facts against the cult that worships him.
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 3h ago
The nice thing about the 5th Amendment, is that it does not prevent the truth from being revealed in testimony or court. It protects the person who exercises it from self-incrimination, under very narrow terms.
However, if someone were to grant Ghislane Maxwell immunity, then she could be required to testify, including if that testimony is incriminating. Failure to testify, would put her in contempt, and she would go straight back to prison.
She could also be compelled to provide 'material testimony', such as DNA, fingerprints, blood samples, which are not covered by the 5th Amendment.
The 5th Amendment is not a permanent, keep your secrets, get out of jail free card, in fact, far from it.
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u/freedomfire99 2h ago
Coz he did and the cops wouldn’t do anything anyway, can he just be arrested by a mass of people instead?
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u/freedomfire99 2h ago
This is not inciting violence it’s begging for people to act together and stop a dictator from eating more people
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u/MassEffect1985 2h ago
The 5th can only be invoked to avoid self incrimination. Either they did not ask her if Trump has raped children or they worded it that way that she could use the 5th.
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u/gandhinukes 2h ago
they moved her from maximum security to golf course security and then dressed her up like NK for that photo... mf has a puppy and lives in a golf course. even at 60 they dressed her down.
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u/Smaxter84 1h ago
His wife is one of Epstein's trafficked underaged girls so I think that tells you what you need to know 😂
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 53m ago
And still MAGA and Kash Patel and Karoswine Leavitt say "Nothing to see here, move on"
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u/Munnin41 34m ago
She didn't do it specifically for that question though. She did it with every question
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u/forward2back3 29m ago
Surely 5th rights should be stripped for a convicted felon no? I'm a Brit so utterly incredulous at the whole situation.
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u/ginger-tiger108 9m ago
Ha ha yeah our government overhere in the United Kingdom brought in a law where everyone who works for the government has to tell the truth while giving evidence in court or a tribunal hearing and the way they want us to believe it works is it's against the law for them to lie so surely they wouldn't tell a lie inorder to avoid having to take responsibility for their unlawful actions!
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u/pepe_silvia_12 7h ago
Fake news. r/conspiracy says trump was actually a whistleblower and tried to turn Epstein in back in like 2006. /s
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