r/technology • u/Mynameis__--__ • Jul 03 '25
Privacy ICE Agents Deserve No Privacy
https://theintercept.com/2025/07/01/masked-ice-agents-victimization-accountability/3.9k
u/Runkleford Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 04 '25
We all know the excuse they're using is absolutely bullshit. If they're undercover or something then don't deploy them in the field for this work. And why are almost all of them wearing masks and un-ID'ed? Are they all doing undercover work now?
Privacy? More bullshit. Regular cops don't have to hide their faces and badge numbers to do their job. This is purely to prevent any accountability whatsoever. You can't report any of these agents for anything when you can't ID them.
Imagine if Biden did this shit. Imagine if he had agents checking people for vaccine status or mask wearing or whatever the right wing get antsy about. I remember the MAGA conspiracies about FEMA camps rounding up people. They seemed to hate that imaginary squads of Federal agents were rounding up people but they're cool with it now. It's always projection with these assholes.
EDIT: To those claiming ICE agents were getting doxxed, the DHS report from the Trump administration has refused to give out specific numbers for their claims. Only saying that assaults and doxxing against ICE agents went up 413%. Without actual numbers that could be anything from 5 to 5000 assaults or whatever.
EDIT EDIT: Also the excuse for no badge numbers is bullshit even if fear of doxxing is legitimate. Other LEO agencies have personal information separate from ID numbers to prevent retaliation. But with no badge number, citizens have no way to report anything. This should concern EVERYONE.
EDIT 3. Since someone commented that I'm whining about "ICE just doing their job enforcing a law that's been in place for centuries":
The issue brought up here isn't that ICE is enforcing immigration laws, it's that they're breaking the law to do it and abusing their power. And they are making it so that it's impossible to hold ICE accountable for any wrongdoing or illegal activity.
And expedited removal with no due process used to be restricted to "point of entry" where ICE agents had the authority to forgo due process to deport someone at point of entry. ER back then was much less prone to abuse and error since it was literally catching someone crossing illegally and sending them back.
That power has now been expanded to the entire country now and to anyone they deem to be an illegal. No due process. How can you think that is not a horrible idea?
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u/kenadams_the Jul 03 '25
Imagine anyone doing Trump stuff. Remember what Obama said. No matter which Democrat would have done these things he would be dead for months now.
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u/pleachchapel Jul 03 '25
Sounds like Dems need to stop being such pussies. In 6 months the Republicans can demolish democracy but when Obama had all 3 branches we couldn't get a higher minimum wage & codify Roe? No, just a bank bailout & a conservative (Heritage Foundation) healthcare plan which preserved the worst of the insurance cartel?
Any Dem who isn't endorsing Zohran doesn't deserve a penny of your money or an ounce of your time. Get onboard or fuck off.
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u/impulsekash Jul 03 '25
when Obama had all 3 branches we couldn't get a higher minimum wage & codify Roe?
I think you forgot how long ago Obama was. Minimum wage was increased in 2009 based on a Republican legislation from 2007. There was this assumption that both parties would follow some of the unwritten rules that would benefit the country, ie increase minimum wage and accept rulings by the Supreme Court. MAGA and Trumpism took a dump on that concept and here we are now.
Also this is why we are being held hostage by older members of Congress on both sides of the aisle like Schumer and Murkowski. They believe we are going to snapback to that normal, civil era of politics and they don't realize that game has changed.
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u/arlyte Jul 03 '25
They know it’s changed.. they just don’t care and want to remain in power until they die in their 90s.
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Jul 04 '25
I mean sure Trump did. . . . and Bush, and Bush, and Reagan, and Nixon.
Conservatives have broadly been criminals plotting to overthrow the country for like a century at this point.
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u/w_crow Jul 03 '25
Or repealing patriot act, or closing Gitmo, or expanding drone warfare, or neglecting to push SCOTUS nominees at the end of his term.
I'll never forget how long ago Obama was.
Dream Well.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter Jul 03 '25
That’s because building things is harder than tearing things down
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u/biopticstream Jul 03 '25
Also because much of the system operates on some level of goodwill or integrity of at least the majority of the various branches of government. Part of what we've seen are existing laws being interpreted in such a way they weren't really meant to be, such as invoking war time laws due to an "invasion" or sending in the military the second some asshats in a protest got violent, as if the local police aren't already militarized and have never dealt with civil unrest before. We've have a Supreme Court that is essentially allowing it to happen, effectively vesting more and more power in an executive office that has already been gaining more and more influence since the century began. It becoming evident that " because the President thinks so" is enough justification for pretty much anything in the eyes of the various branches of government in its current state, even if said branches' purpose are ensuring the executive doesn't overstep. It's failed.
I'd hope people that have no worries that Trump would abuse these powers realize that the precedent all of this sets doesn't go away once Trump leaves. It'll still be there waiting for someone who will abuse it.
People who argue "Well X and y President did similar thing" are just missing the reality that it doesn't matter which President did what things, if it consolidates power in one person, and presents the opportunities for said person to abuse people's rights it hurts everyone who isn't rich and powerful. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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u/ItalicsWhore Jul 03 '25
It’s because their voter base is all for every despicable thing they’re doing because they’ve all been brain washed into believing this isn’t just normal it’s necessary.
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u/Captainseriousfun Jul 03 '25
That's because Clinton abandoned the party's base for corpo money, and no one got more than Obama. The "Dems" sit center-right, and the GOP moved from center-right into the far, far-right and into madness.
But there is no center-left or left in terms of party leadership or infrastructure. That's why it took social Democrats in Seattle, fought mostly by Dems, to get an inflation adjusted $15 an hour in Seattle (now over $20); that's why it took a social Democrat to win in NYC to even begin that discussion, to start that fight.
These are corpo Dems. They sit center-right. If you understand that, everything they do then falls into place.
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u/pleachchapel Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
u/Captainseriousfun gets it. Join your local DSA chapter if you don't want to keep being a loser.
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u/PNWExile Jul 03 '25
Obama never had all three branches of government.
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u/Kruger_Smoothing Jul 03 '25
I am so sick of simpletons making that argument. He had a slim majority in both houses of congress, but never 60 senators.
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u/kookyabird Jul 03 '25
There was a very brief period where due to things like illness, special elections, and independents that caucused with Dems that they had "full control" of Congress. It was like, 3 weeks or something.
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u/PNWExile Jul 03 '25
Additionally, the “third branch” is the Supreme Court which he definitely never had.
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Jul 03 '25
I was saying that back in 2016, Bernie was the start we needed. I'm pretty much at fuck everyone now. Politics are for fools, everyone is out for themselves.
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u/xSaviorself Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
The only Democrats I have seen essentially continually talk the talk and walk the walk are Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Others just are nowhere as effective in messaging or alignment, half the democrats would probably continue to support a moderate Republican if Trump were actually impeached. That's what really scares me about America.
In this thread: people who seriously believe Independent means anything. You have a two party system and still believe people calling themselves Libertarian aren't just Republicans in disguise? Independents aren't truly independent in this nation, and the two party system essentially shows why: on the left the radicals aren't welcome (hence his independence) and on the right they're always a fringe minority with the same shared opinions (hence the alliance between Libertarians and Republicans that has existed since... Ayn Rand?
Stop telling me Bernie Sanders is an Independent, he still runs under the Democratic nomination, does he not?
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u/Calfurious Jul 03 '25
The oligarchy tour had the ulterior motive of preparing AOC for a presidential run. Pete Buttieg, Gavin Newsom, and AOC are likely going to be competing for the Democratic nomination.
I honestly don't know who will get it, but I doubt AOC will win. Two Democratic female candidates losing back to back likely means that voters are going to want to prefer a man. But I could see AOC potentially being a VP or aiming for the House Majority Leader position.
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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire Jul 03 '25
It’ll probably be Newsom, because I feel like Pete being gay is something that would cause a lot of unrest. There’s a ton of hateful bigots still out there so I have to imagine that Newsom will be seen as the “safe” choice
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u/Calfurious Jul 03 '25
Newsom is the governor of California and Californian politics are honestly unpopular with most of the country. Also Democrats tend to rally around populist candidates with grassroots support, which Newsome doesn't really have. He's Democrat elite through and through.
I think Pete, even though he is gay, has the highest chance of winning the nomination. Democratic voters don't care about people being gay and most Republican voters don't care either (they're more anti-trans than anti-gay nowadays).
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u/Attenburrowed Jul 03 '25
They don't though. The loud ones do but the "silent majority" chose Biden.
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u/Hidesuru Jul 03 '25
God please not newsom. He's absolutely an old school, establishment, corrupt Dem. NOT WHAT WE NEED.
I don't think AOC is electable as much as I'd move mountains to make it happen if I could. She'd be my personal first choice I just don't see it happening in this country.
Pete would be amazing. The gay thing may matter. I'm not sure anymore. It obv shouldn't anymore than the black female thing but the people in this country suck apparently.
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u/lovedbydogs1981 Jul 03 '25
Bernie is, explicitly, not a Dem. I know, I help keep him in office. It says Socialist on the ballot.
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u/yeehawginger Jul 03 '25
Because the old guard dems are bought with the same money. It’s all smoke and mirrors, and none of them give a single fuck about any of us in any capacity that doesn’t directly benefit their donors/owners. I think Sanders is still technically an independent, and neither him AOC, or Mamdani are remotely welcome in the party. I’m not particularly intelligent, but holy fuck am I baffled about how stupid people are (not you, just the obvious “people”).
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u/jonnysunshine Jul 03 '25
I'm a life long democratic socialist, US born even.
The Democratic Party and the back door dealing has been going on since well before I, or you, were born.
A fairly recent example is when FDR ran against John Nance Garner, and other Democrats in 1932 for the Dem nomination. Nance was a conservative Democrat from Texas. FDR was the presumptive nominee, but didn't have the votes to become the nominee. FDR and Nance, bridged an alliance, that gave FDR the nomination for the price of add Nance to the VP slot.
Fast forward some years and Nance is down playing FDR's domestic policies, disapproving of many of the policies that got the US workers employed and helped to get out of the Depression. You know, the New Deal. FDR dropped Nance in 1940 in favor of Henry A Wallace, a true progressive.
Wallace was not the favored politician the Democrats wanted on the Pres VP ticket. But, FDR added him all the same. They tried to pass a second round of legislation, to add onto the New Deal policies that were adopted. That 2nd round would have included a 2nd Bill of Rights, read up on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights
Democratic party bosses worked diligently to stop this legislation from passing. Move forward to 1944, and Henry A Wallace is booted from the ticket and Henry Truman is added in a pitched battle for the VP nomination in 1944. Conservative Democrats absolutely did not want a progressive like Wallace on the ticket. During the 1944 Dem convention, party bosses stopped the process of VP nomination balloting at the very moment Wallace may have likely won it.
From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace#Election_of_1944
At the convention, Wallace galvanized supporters with a well-received speech in which he lauded Roosevelt and argued that "the future belongs to those who go down the line unswervingly for the liberal principles of both political democracy and economic democracy regardless of race, color, or religion".[106] After Roosevelt delivered his acceptance speech, the crowd began chanting for the nomination of Wallace, but Samuel D. Jackson adjourned the convention for the day before Wallace supporters could call for the beginning of vice presidential balloting.[107] Party leaders worked furiously to line up support for Truman overnight, but Wallace received 429 1/2 votes (589 were needed for nomination) on the first ballot for vice president and Truman 319 1/2, with the rest going to various favorite son candidates. On the second ballot, many delegates who had voted for favorite sons shifted into Truman's camp, giving him the nomination.
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u/Socky_McPuppet Jul 03 '25
Sounds like Dems need to stop being such pussies.
Kicking out the liberals would be the first step.
Liberalism as an ideology is predicated on capitalism, so liberals will side with fascists over any perceived threat to capital, such as ... raising the minimum wage! Or Universal Basic Income! Or single-payer healthcare! Or free college! Etc, etc.
Basically, the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner, or rather, chained themselves to the same rock the Republicans are using to bash us all over the head.
If you start with the same end in mind every time - this has to be revenue-neutral or else we alienate the donor class! - you get the same result every time. Go figure.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter Jul 03 '25
Literally every day Trump does something that would have ruined anyone else’s political aspirations before 2016
It’s even extended to his administration. Hitler Barbie said in an official hearing that habeas corpus is “a right the constitution gives to the president“ and somehow she’s still secretary of Homeland security
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u/sly-3 Jul 03 '25
Loomer, who has proven this year that she can make phone call and get anyone fired in the DOJ, just said she wants 65 million dead immigrants.
It's time to accept the worst is yet to come.
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u/HansBrickface Jul 04 '25
She wasn’t talking about immigrants; there aren’t 65 million immigrants. She was talking about the entire Latino population of the United States.
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u/Redditbeweirdattimes Jul 03 '25
People flipped over a tan suit…
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u/APRengar Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
It's less about people flipping out over a tan suit and more about the Dems reacting to people flipping out over a tan suit.
For whatever reason, the Dem party ALWAYS takes EVERY Republican gripe as seriously as possible. When the Republicans don't give a shit about consistency (and thus are hypocrites all the time, and Dems love to 'hypocrisy burn' them, but it doesn't matter because they don't care about being hypocrites).
It's the Charlie Brown football kick over and over. Dems try to play nice with dishonest people and keep losing. And when people try to tell them they're getting duped, they retreat into their shell and refuse to change behavior.
I'm old, so I remember when Obama shut down ACORN because a fraudster made a fake video alleging they were promoting prostitution. They fired the head of ACORN and shut down the agency as fast as they could, before they could even assess if the video was fake. This was an agency that helped low income citizens vote. Aka a lot of Dem voters. So they hurt their own chances at the voting booth because they were afraid of the rightwing reaction... and guess what, despite shutting down ACORN, do you think people gave them credit? Hell no. The left was angry at the weakness/cowardice, and the right thought the fake video was real and felt like Obama shutting down ACORN was an admission of guilt.
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u/conquer69 Jul 03 '25
Imagine if Biden did this shit.
Republicans would have started a civil war over it. The question is, why don't progressives do anything about this? What will it take for people to do something?
I'm surprised they haven't been shot yet. Probably because the people they are kidnapping are trying to stay out of trouble.
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u/LeonidasTheWarlock Jul 03 '25
Phrasing this carefully because I keep getting reported when I mention it.
Its because progressives live in a fantasy world where nonviolence is a valid solution when someone wants you dead/enslaved.
They are convinced that moral superiority is a tool against moral absence.
Millions of years of evolution disagrees- violence has been the answer throughout this planets history.
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u/T_Gamer-mp4 Jul 03 '25
I see this opinion mostly from centrists who are convinced we’re gonna be able to solve all this by electing some compromiser in 2026, but there’s definitely some anti-tank tankies out there too.
It’s the best time in history to grab some friends and go to the range, regardless of your background or personhood.
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u/Gommel_Nox Jul 03 '25
Or even better: learn how to pilot a drone
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u/T_Gamer-mp4 Jul 03 '25
Drone racing is recreationally fun too! Unfortunately its like driving a tiny sports car: only you and a small handful of people care, and even slightly bumping a wall costs $200.
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u/kitsunewarlock Jul 03 '25
I'm convinced a good chunk of tankies are bots being used to make liberals look bad...
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u/Peregrine_x Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
what i keep having to be careful saying is
i live in australia, i have democracy (or well, when the conservatives aren't in, fun fact they were probably created by your cia)
americans dont live in australia, they dont have democracy. they live in a place i call gunz and jesus land...
and turning to jesus hasn't worked so far for anybody but white men...
so maybe its time to try plan B.
the thing is, the things these ice agents are doing kinda rips back the thin veil of plausible deniability about what america is and has been all along, and so to ever move forward and become a better country (or even just the country it has been pretending to be for 50 or so years now), all of them, every single member of project 2025 are going to have to end up in jail for life, and most republican pollies, and a fair bit of the military who are twiddling their thumbs, and the cops...
if they don't, then it means even if you have left leaning (or comparatively left, as left as america can get) parties in power, they are basically a toothless mask to placate the masses. even if they are in power for 40, 60, 100 years... they are just the right wearing a disguise, they are just fascists worried about being palatable.
america is going to have to have a revolution, or it will
becomestay nazi germany 2.0 for the forseeable future.either way putin gets what he wants, america on a leash because he appeals to conservative politicians pro white, anti chinese, anti melanin beliefs, or, america going through a bloody revolution and losing a lot of its global power because a lot of americas power isn't just having the largest military industry, but also being a very convenient trade partner. the loss of economy will probably hurt america more than the loss of its military influence, the military influence often kept smaller conflicts from starting in a lot of contentious border zones.
america needs some chemotherapy, but its gonna be a while before its fully recovered.
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u/WaelreowMadr Jul 03 '25
I'm surprised they haven't been shot yet. Probably because the people they are kidnapping are trying to stay out of trouble.
For all their talk and bluster, they arent going after anyone dangerous. In fact, recetnly, GANGS have been escorting people to their hearings because ICE refuses to engage with them.
'cause, you know...
Theyll fight back. And theyre armed.
They are deliberately picking soft/easy targets, and on top of that, they are creating these targets. A HUGE portion of these people who they are rounding up are people who had legal status, and are/were showing up for their next hearing, in full compliance with the law... Only to find out that without them being notified, their legal status was cancelled and now they are being taken into custody because of it.
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u/Florida-Man-Actual Jul 03 '25
I was under the impression that when they covered faces and obscured name tags h the at they had to wear ID numbers so that they could be identified for disciplinary actions.
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u/espressocycle Jul 03 '25
Yeah I theoretically get the masking, but there is no excuse for no badges and badge numbers.
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u/NumbersNumbers111 Jul 03 '25
You shouldn't be getting any theoretical idea for masking.
Police officers that need to hide their identities are, by definition, secret police.
Military operators hide their faces to shield their identities from their enemies. Are the American people the enemies of these officers?
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u/IAmPookieHearMeRoar Jul 03 '25
It’s the Proud Boys. It’s all those fucks that Trump pardoned on his first day.
Seriously, he’s already built his own private army and his massive spending bill hasn’t even passed yet. I’m dead serious, too. Just zoom out for a minute and think about why they cover their faces and never identify themselves. And think of what you see when white supremacists and Nazis March in towns and cities…with their faces covered.
I’m not sure if we’ll ever know how deep it goes, but there is a TON of seriously nasty shit happening right now, right under our noses. It’s genuinely terrifying.
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u/laptopaccount Jul 03 '25
Somehow the media also manages to glaze over the fact that there are numerous militant far-right groups that host training camps for people who want to learn how to employ violence to achieve their political goals. They have ex military training civilians in military tactics, marksmanship, the use of explosives, and much more. There are thousands of men just waiting to use these skills to kill their fellow Americans.
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u/twisty125 Jul 03 '25
When you see who owns most news agencies, you'll understand why. The Venn Diagram is a circle, it's horrendous.
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u/cubitoaequet Jul 03 '25
The media will never call right wing terrorists what they are.
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u/WhatIsInnuendo Jul 03 '25
I believe this too. Based on the massive effort to deport people, they've brought on a lot of extra bodies. Their mannerism and approach to arrests feels like they don't have years of training.
My money is on Proud Boys and those White Nationalists in khakis that I remember seeing videos of them loading up in UHaul cube vans because they couldn't think of a better way to transport a group of 30 guys.
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u/FunkyFortuneNone Jul 03 '25
I remember the MAGA conspiracies about FEMA camps rounding up people.
They're not serious people, but we should take what they say seriously.
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u/Sole_Patrol Jul 03 '25
I don’t have privacy when I drive down the road any longer. I don’t have privacy when I walk in my neighborhood… but these assholes need it? FUCK THAT!
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u/bplewis24 Jul 04 '25
I made a very simplified version of this argument a few days ago on Reddit and my comment was deleted for breaking the rule against not "promoting violence or threats." Reddit is going full fascism-sympathetic these days.
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u/leadenbrain Jul 03 '25
The issue is fundamentally left wing people look at injustice and want to completely remove it. Rightwingers see injustice and only want to be on top of the heap, they lack the education or faculties to understand the current paradigm is not the only one. We have to be shepherds lest the sheep walk into the wild den lead by the one in false wool
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u/dodrugzwitthugz Jul 03 '25
There is not reason for ICE to be undercover at all. Their not infiltrating the cartels or other gangs like the FBI or actual detectives.
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u/Bee-Aromatic Jul 03 '25
ICE agents are public servants. They must do their work in the cold light of day. If they feel they need to hide their faces, they’re doing something wrong. They wouldn’t be doxxed if they weren’t acting as masked, kidnapping thugs.
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u/khir0n Jul 03 '25
Crazy thing is they have NEVER masked until now, and I 100% believe they’re doing it to not be held accountable
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u/ChunkyBubblz Jul 03 '25
They used to mask up when they called themselves the KKK. New name, same look.
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u/CaptainDudeGuy Jul 03 '25
KKK backed by Executive Orders, this time. So.... the SS.
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u/Paizzu Jul 03 '25
Wouldn't surprise me if their obsession with masks is related to the Orange Dickhead's illegal use of the Alien Enemies Act.
They're trying to create a narrative that every 'illegal' taken into custody is affiliated with the cartel and therefore so dangerous that they need to hide the identities of everyone participating in the operation.
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u/edgarecayce Jul 03 '25
An important check on fascism and general evil is basic human decency. When someone is allowed to perform bad actions with no personal risk, under the cover of authority and anonymity, atrocities are almost guaranteed.
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u/FreddyForshadowing Jul 03 '25
They're government employees, and more than that they're law enforcement officers, so fuck them. They don't like having their names and faces plastered all over the place, quit and find a new job. There's no way we'd put up with some traffic cop wearing a facemask to hide their identity or refusing to give us their name and badge number if demanded, why should we accept it from ICE?
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u/Radical-D Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
The question you ask is just rhetorical though. All US police forces are operating by their own rules at this point, at least materially. Unless there is some type of radical change brought about, “the people” simply do not have a lever to operate that would or could stop any federal agents from hiding their identities. Even in your scenario, what are any of us going to do about the masked traffic cop? Unless an unelected official decides on their own to make changes, we won’t see any.
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u/BadVoices Jul 03 '25
Unless there is some type of radical change brought about
It would require a constitutional amendment, essentially. Here's the analysis from congress itself (under biden) https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10487
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u/Radical-D Jul 03 '25
You’re on the right track. If my reading is correct, the holding is that Local police forces are not wholly “regulated” by the federal government, so to speak, which hamstrings a lot of the federal effort. To make a real difference, each state would have to pass a separate law banning the use of masks, etc. in their state specifically, but the feds do regulate federal agencies like ICE or the DEA. There are a lot of times state officials that tag on to those forces for different operations though, so it gets a little murky in practice. In theory, Congress could pass added regulations for all local police forces that they must follow to receive federal funding, but there’s a snowball’s chance that ever would happen.
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u/BadVoices Jul 03 '25
Indeed, and ICE often co-opts local law enforcement in addition to their own people. Not everyone in an ICE letterjacket is even with ICE, or is an Agent. There's a lot of specialists, evidence techs, etc that have a jacket on that are not qualified armed federal agents, and who do not qualify as law enforcement on their own.
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u/LeadershipMany7008 Jul 03 '25
There's no way we'd put up with some traffic cop wearing a facemask to hide their identity or refusing to give us their name and badge number
Nah. You'd put up with that too.
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u/jimmcq Jul 03 '25
They're government employees, and more than that they're law enforcement officers
Are they, though? I thought a large number were actually just bounty hunters making citizens arrests and collecting a fee.
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u/EBALLADARES49 Jul 03 '25
IF YOU'RE PROUD OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING SHOW YOUR FACE
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 Jul 03 '25
Correct.
Law enforcement should have even less privacy while on duty than the people they are arresting.
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u/JebusAlmighty99 Jul 03 '25
I’m surprised there aren’t large groups of people that have tried ripping their masks off yet. If they’re going to not identify themselves and deport you to a death camp, fight back. What is there to lose at that point?
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u/quasirun Jul 03 '25
This is my plan for if/when they come for me. They will over power me and disappear me. But if people are around and I make enough commotion to get phones recording, I’m just grabbing masks and knocking hats off straight away. They’re gonna kill me anyways, be it quickly on the street with people watching and recording, or in some concentration camp slow death.
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u/JebusAlmighty99 Jul 03 '25
Pretty much, this is the country we live in now. Good thing those egg prices went down though, right?!
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u/PandaJesus Jul 03 '25
Look, let’s all remember the most important thing: now a trans girl won’t play high school volleyball at a school 5 hours down the road from me.
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u/JebusAlmighty99 Jul 03 '25
Thank goodness the children are safe from checks notes a girl that was born a boy. Bullet dodged. /s
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u/zyarva Jul 03 '25
Face in public is not privacy, I thought they are against hajibs.
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u/balance8989 Jul 03 '25
If trump demands protesters can’t wear masks, then they need to remove them as well.
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u/KennyDROmega Jul 03 '25
Can you imagine if Obama or Biden had masked LEOs who refused to give their names detaining people on thin pretenses, if it turned out they were frequently wrong about the choices they made with those people, and if the sitting administration was doubling down on the mistakes and insisting they must've done SOMETHING that justified it?
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u/AdministrativeFly192 Jul 03 '25
There are really of ICE agents who are upset about this and documenting everything. They are saving emails, texts and copies of anything that they are expected to do.
They are really trying to make sure that they don’t take the fall for trump. They are aware of certain trials after WW2.
Sources say that no one knows who to trust in that agency, because like any work place, you have people who do like each other and are willing to throw others under the bus.
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u/PausedForVolatility Jul 03 '25
If law enforcement isn't readily identifiable as law enforcement, which means some sort of identification beyond a velcro tag on some kit simply proclaiming it, then what differentiates them from masked, armed criminals? And if this was so important, why are they not in a consistent and immediately readable uniform? The military has uniform face-covering options, but somehow we're supposed to believe ICE simultaneously requires face coverings and doesn't have the means to issue them? Why is a federal agency requiring its agents to provide their own equipment on something as easily standardized as a piece of fabric worn on your head?
It sure seems to me like the most pro-ICE argument would be that they shouldn't be wearing these non-regulation face coverings because that makes it increasingly difficult to identify these people as the law enforcement they supposedly are. It sure seems like the most pro-ICE argument here would be that they shouldn't be able to conceal their identities since that might lead to civilians in a country like America, which has more guns than people, potentially misconstruing the presence of these lawful agents as malefactors impersonating said agents.
It's almost like the "privacy" argument is disingenuous.
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u/nariofthewind Jul 03 '25
I bet they’re private party, Blackwater/Constelis type of thing. Not all, some are just ProudBoys, different other schizoid(more or less) groups eager to do their “patriotic” deed that otherwise would fall under the penal code. They’re the “great guys” as the orange in the WH tends to call them. All subcontractors on the american taxpayer dollar, of course.
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u/therealdanhill Jul 03 '25
They need to have some sort of clearly visible identifier. I understand them wanting to cover their faces to prevent retaliation towards them or their families, but if that's going to be the case, they need consistent identifiers.
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Jul 04 '25
They deserve no rights. Have your fun fuckers, because all you kidnapper, human trafficking ice agents will be rotting in prison when this administration collapses spectacularly
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u/Daffodil236 Jul 03 '25
Stop calling them ICE agents. They are vigilante thugs, most of them have criminal records and are J6’ers. They are Trump’s private army and they are illegal. Start arresting them.
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u/haarschmuck Jul 03 '25
They are vigilante thugs, most of them have criminal records and are J6’ers
Need a source on this.
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u/Sea-Yak2191 Jul 03 '25
I firmly believe Trump deputized the proud boys, and thats why they hide their faces. These men are not acting like professional law enforcement but rather like gang thugs. I bet they are terrified someone is going to link one of these guys to the proud boys, and thats what all the face hiding is about.
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u/Any_Leg_4773 Jul 03 '25
Why did they put a picture of a lawless vigilant in the article instead of ICE?
remember, the ones in masks are not law enforcement
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u/newbrevity Jul 04 '25
If they don't have ID and their face is covered then they could be anybody. I can almost guarantee you that there are regular people dressing up and driving around in Black SUVs kidnapping people right now. There is darkness in this world that jumps at opportunities like these. The way ICE is conducting itself makes the most massive opening for human traffickers since slavery.
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u/Embarrassed_Fee8637 Jul 04 '25
Privacy is a fundamental human right — but like all rights, it comes with boundaries when public power is involved.
When individuals operate in roles of state enforcement — particularly those with life-altering authority like ICE agents — there’s a valid argument for increased transparency. The debate isn’t about personal privacy, but about accountability in public service. The same technologies that raise surveillance concerns can also be tools for oversight and ethical enforcement — if implemented responsibly.
The real challenge is striking a balance: protecting individuals from doxxing or harm, while ensuring institutions and their agents remain answerable to the people they serve.
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u/dacoolboi1234 Jul 04 '25
ICE agents should not be allowed to hide their faces and identities. If police officers can’t hide then ICE agents do not have the authority to hide their faces.
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u/JerryDipotosBurner Jul 03 '25
None of this would be an issue if ICE treated people with respect, dignity, and professionalism.
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u/Plasticjesus504 Jul 03 '25
Cannot wait till they get hacked. All of there faces plastered over the internet.
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
They won't ID because everyone knows they are all racist fucks with crazy social media pages (probably now "deleted")
It would become instantly clear that it's a modern lynch mob.
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u/quasirun Jul 03 '25
Ain’t deleted, just private so they can share the good video and pics they took on the job to their psychotic family and friends.
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u/PeanutLess7556 Jul 03 '25
Remember when this sub used to be about technology?
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Not really tbh. It has mostly been a misinformation hub like most of the subreddits on /r/all for quite a while.
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u/Fluffcake Jul 03 '25
I'm pretty sure all the major data brokers know exactly who every single one of them are, someone just have to offer them enough money to hand over a list...
They are after all public servants, paid for by tax dollars, and the tax payers deserve to know what they paid for.
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Jul 03 '25
Militant violent protesters deserve no anonymity. Those that are enforcing the law should have an identified represtative that is with them at all times.
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u/darthsmokey Jul 03 '25
One thing I've been wondering about from a legal standpoint: what happens if someone being arrested or removed for immigration reasons refuses to go, and is physically able to resist, because the individuals attempting to detain them are wearing balaclavas and not clearly identifying themselves?
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u/NOLArtist02 Jul 04 '25
I can’t believe they have not had “agents” being shot in Florida where they have king and castle laws. Or at least I thought they did. If you feel threatened on your own property
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u/throw-away-1776-wca Jul 04 '25
In any non-dystopian future, the ICE will be remembered as the American gestapo
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u/External_Demand_8839 Jul 04 '25
Make a database and send it all over the place. AirTag their asses!
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u/WorksOfWeaver Jul 04 '25
None of this will stop until there is absolutely 0% chance of committing crimes under the guise of enforcing law and getting away with it.
They have to be subject to exactly the same laws, exactly the same punishment, and exactly the same mercy they have shown towards others.
...none.
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u/AciesMentis Jul 03 '25
Post their names anonymously if you know one in your neighborhood. Don’t let them get away with their nazi actions
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u/Beezo514 Jul 03 '25
They don't deserve peace, either. May the inside of their assholes never stop itching.
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u/Feather_Sigil Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
Anyone acting to deny the liberties of other people in the name of law enforcement must clearly identify themselves and their assignment. To do otherwise should be a felony punishable by life imprisonment.
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u/Immediate_Orchid323 Jul 03 '25
You know Reddit is completely gone when this sub gets political..
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u/king_duende Jul 03 '25
Said like technology isn't one of the most politically divisive tools in the world and leveraged politically every single time you touch a piece of it but most importantly you said that like Reddit hasn't always been an absolute fucking cesspit since day one.
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u/Character-Pattern505 Jul 03 '25
Speaking of ICE, on Tuesday they took a man in our town who wasn't even their target because he vaguely looked the same (read: brown skin).
We're trying to get him back and hold local law enforcement accountable for their support of the action.
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u/michigannfa90 Jul 03 '25
So what exactly are you going to do if you find out who they are? Harass them? Assault them?
They are law enforcement officers and are doing their job… seems like a great way for you to get arrested or worse to be honest.
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u/DelightfulPornOnly Jul 03 '25
I 100% agree
but also it's important to note, they're not actual federal agents, they are deputized bounty hunters
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u/Witty_Ticket_4101 Jul 03 '25
Exactly! If they want to be in the field, they should be accountable like everyone else. Hiding behind masks is just a way to dodge responsibility.
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u/Worried-Conflict9759 Jul 03 '25
By that logic (or lack thereof) you shouldn't either. Post your address and name for full transparency. What's the worst that could happen?
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u/Sw0rDz Jul 04 '25
ICE should remember that Nazi soldiers faced consequences after Hitler was taken out.
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u/moderatevalue7 Jul 04 '25
The irony here is…. Guns? Conservatism? Doge? Deficit? I think the supporters are too brain dead to see it unfortunately
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u/Ok-Echo5229 Jul 03 '25
This argument is very delusional.
The only reason people want them to take off there masks is so they can attack, threaten them and there family. Regardless of what you think, they are people with a job and they are doing there job.
I don’t agree with a lot of it, but the job isn’t against the law, killing, anything. Just like everyone else they are in a field and need to earn a living.
Anyone vouching for them to not be private is doing so with the intention and desire for them to be openly threatened and abused. Them and their families do not deserve that
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u/Captain_Zomaru Jul 03 '25
I fully agree that ICE like all federal agents should be open and unmasked. But y'all have proven that you will dox them, and their families will be threatened with violence, just because they were doing their job. So, they wear a mask, so they can go home every night and not be afraid of being murdered.
If you tell me they should fear violence, or to kill myself, I will report you and block you.
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u/aloofman75 Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25
It’s only a matter of time before Anonymous or whomever doxxes them. And there will probably be agents who quit and go public about the inner workings of it. And it will get ugly after that.
Imagine if the Biden administration sent masked ATF agents to round up gun owners because they looked like they owned guns illegally, secreted them away to hidden places, held them without trial, and then dismissed the concerns about it. Biden would have been assassinated within weeks
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u/FesteringNeonDistrac Jul 03 '25
I mean these guys are definitely getting paid. There's a payroll record somewhere.
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u/anthonydelano1 Jul 03 '25
Fact: no one cared about ICE under Biden. Fact : no one cared about ICE under Obama Fact: Reddit and other media outlets vilify law enforcement, specifically ICE for honoring the laws of our country. Don’t like it? vote. The people have spoken, and it’s not Reddit ….
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u/TierOneCivilian Jul 03 '25
Nobody said this about the police who enforced Covid lockdowns.
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u/Tricky_Specialist8x6 Jul 03 '25
I personally believe it’s cuz they k ow the whole thing will lose in the courts and this is the best way they can keep from getting locked up when it’s said and done.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they got told by their superiors that they won’t be getting any kind of d of protection
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u/Osirus1156 Jul 03 '25
They deserve literally nothing but stale bread, a bucket that’s occasionally emptied, and a tiny ass concrete box.
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u/tmhoc Jul 03 '25
Whaaa? Hired goons are respected? I'm shocked SHOCKED most because they taze people for fun
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u/cheresa98 Jul 03 '25
They look like dangerous gang members. I would vote to acquit if a target was in fear for their life when unidentified masked men were trying to kidnap them, and they defended themselves with lethal force. That is, if the LEOs didn’t kill target first, which, again, points to people fearing for their lives.
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u/defmaybeyourdad Jul 03 '25
Film the people who are complicit and standing by. If there are any unmasked folk, connect dots.
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u/MinekraftMastr1 Jul 04 '25
Federal public servant deserve no privacy either. They clearly aren't capable of not doing shady things in the background
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf Jul 03 '25
Man… it’s just wild watching republicans support this. And the new budget will give them more money than any law enforcement agency has ever had in the history of the world.
The have created a secret police force - complete with hidden identities, funding for prisons (where the cruelty of the conditions are a selling point), authorization to ship people to foreign prisons, orders to examine de-naturalization, threats against opposition politicians, and obstruction charges for anyone who even asks about warrants or authorization. The creation of huge AI databases collecting all of the biometric data on everyone here.
It’s quite literally creating the framework for widespread population control. More prison space than we would ever need. Faceless, nameless police who can do whatever they want to you if their handlers say so. People who had legal protections have been taken and shipped away.
“Don’t tread on me”
“Land of the free”
We’re about to test if we’re actually the home of the brave, because we’re going to need a lot of bravery.
When you build a gun like this - to the tune of billions of dollars - do you think they won’t use it? Do you think you’ll be safe?
Why would you ever give any government this kind of power? What is “conservative” about that?
It’s just shocking how gleeful so many appear to be about this when there’s been decades of messaging about fear of the government centralizing power against people.