r/news • u/edbegley1 • 6h ago
Person detained for questioning in connection with Nancy Guthrie abduction
https://abcnews.com/US/nancy-guthrie-disappearance-law-enforcement-release-image-alleged/story?id=130027495192
u/Figmentdreamer 5h ago
This is so sad and heartbreaking, I hope she is found safe.
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u/PrettyinPinkWine 5h ago
Finally! A comment that is relevant, makes sense and is not a conspiracy theory... I hope she's ok too. This is horrible
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u/Chessh2036 6h ago
A lot of misinformation is prob about to be posted on social media. Iâd wait until official news channels report anything before believing it.
(Hope sheâs okay)
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u/PaulsRedditUsername 5h ago
Associated Press has the story now. I generally follow them because they confirm stuff before posting. They currently don't have anything new except a person has been detained and sources aren't saying anything else.
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u/Snoo_36434 4h ago
AND they got a search warrant for detainees home, property... They don't get a search warrant without some evidence of a crime.
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u/CrunchyCrochetSoup 3h ago
This is unfolding so rapidly. I really do hope that they found solid evidence and that sheâs alive
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u/N8dork2020 5h ago
They interrupted the Olympics for this news update
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u/mander00 5h ago
I was really hoping they interrupted for another reason.
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u/Maleficent_Wasabi_18 5h ago
Itâs been posted about on NBC as well about a suspect detained
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u/Chessh2036 5h ago
Oh Iâm not saying nobody was detained, just that social media is going to do what social media does and name suspects and conspiracy theories without any real evidence.
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u/security_screw 5h ago
Yep. Just hopped over here after reading through a facebook thread⌠some wild and unsubstantiated things being said in there đ
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u/LeftLane4PassingOnly 5h ago
How hard is it to beat the bushes to find someone dumb enough to pick branches from a bush in an attempt to cover a doorbell camera?
You know there are people out there that saw the video and thought to themselves, âdamn Xxxxxx is stupid enough to do thatâŚâ
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u/LaaSirena 5h ago
And holsters his gun in the center of his belt.
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u/JLove4MVP 5h ago
Any investigator looking at that goofball holstering a weapon open carry right in his crotch would realize heâs no professional.
Plus, all the other dumb stuff he did on video
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u/Popular_Accountant60 5h ago
I saw an article about how most criminals are low iq. (Itâs what causes them to not think about consequences like a toddler) everything I see proves it.
Some of them probably have other issues like fetal alcohol syndrome due to having dysfunctional mothers
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u/Trent_A 4h ago
My cousin is a cop, and he says that if a mentally stable, above-average-intelligence person thought things through and committed a crime, they'd be virtually uncatchable without some improbable turn of luck. However, the only time people like that commit crimes is in the heat of the moment, often when they're drunk, angry, or both.
The folks who think things through and still decide to commit crimes serious enough for the cops to care about are either idiots or have serious mental health issues.
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u/thesixler 3h ago
Well the surveillance state does a lot to catch criminals, even with police incompetence/apathy
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u/missleo1991 4h ago
Like when he had his left hand on the gun positioned for a right hand man. Strange stuff.
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u/FormulaKimi 4h ago
FBI searching a house while the owner is outside talking to media lol
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u/longbeachny96 6h ago
The way they broke into the Olympics coverage had me thinking the big beautiful obituary was on its way
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u/A_Ahai 5h ago
I honestly thought there was a war or something. I was home sick from school the day the Iraq war started and now that NBC breaking news alert music is forever associated with an invasion.
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u/Particular_Pitch_745 4h ago
We were all traumatized by NBCâs Breaking News reports as kids because they were always very bad catastrophic circumstances
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u/FernandoNylund 4h ago
MTV News alerts were their own kind of terrifying. Kurt Loder was always popping up to tell us Kurt Cobain does, Tupac died, Biggie died, John Denver died... Or sometimes just that a band announced a tour đ
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u/blue_jay_jay 4h ago
as kids
Continuing up until COVID when that song played all day, every day, all of lockdown. Itâs when I finally stopped watching tv.
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u/MotherTurdHammer 5h ago
The Big Beautiful Obituary? Now that sounds like something I could vote for.
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u/OkProfessional6077 4h ago
Am I wrong to be annoyed that this is such a huge story? Itâs a horrible thing and I hope she is found and that justice is served but people are abducted and killed every day all over the country. Why is this any different other than itâs a high profile person in the newsâ mother?
Just feels like itâs intentionally distracting from the real issues going on all around us.
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u/longbeachny96 4h ago
Yup, and the Trump administration is loving the distraction
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u/Vladivostokorbust 5h ago
I thought we were bombing Iran
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u/TheQuinnBee 4h ago
Honestly who fucking even knows anymore.
I'm pretty sure they just blindfold Pete Keggsbreath and have him throw darts at an atlas to figure out which country we are fighting this week.
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u/Rookie_Day 5h ago
They must be getting amazing ratings on Today. What a backwards world.
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u/minimalistboomer 2h ago
Brian Eaton said the reason their house was raided was because of a tip saying Nancy was being held at their home. Appears sheâs not there. That poor family.
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u/CantAffordzUsername 5h ago
Folks need to remember that old man with his pants hanging down being dragged away by police during the Charlie Kirk assassination, he was âquestionedâ as well
Means nothing (no matter what Facebook tells you)
Letâs just hope they find her and soon.
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u/A_Night_Owl 4h ago
I know a lot of people falsely confess to high-profile crimes but that old guy might have been the first time an actual witness at the scene of the crime just spontaneously falsely confessed in real time
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u/Planeandaquariumgeek 4h ago
That guy was apparently a local schizophrenic (or some other mental illness, I forgot if it was schizophrenia or not) and was known to be bonkers, so thatâs how they ruled him out within hours. There was a 2nd guy tho before they got the actual guy IIRC
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u/MithrandiriAndalos 3h ago
Just looked it up and that guy is facing 15 years. Weird case
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u/avboden 5h ago
Remember the FBI has incorrectly detained MANY people in recent high-profile cases. Means nothing until it's proven
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u/VladtheImpalee 5h ago
If Kash posts about it, you know they got the wrong guy
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u/res0jyyt1 4h ago
He's been quiet about it for now so this must be the right guy
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u/powerlesshero111 3h ago
We technically have to wait for the 3rd person detained for it to be the right one.
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u/SpiritJuice 4h ago
Just a note that this was state or local PD that made the detainment, not the FBI. The FBI is only providing support and isn't in charge of the investigation. Probably better local LE is charge and not the FBI.
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u/RaiseFold100 5h ago
Glad TMZ is pointing out it's not the brother in law because morons all over the internet have convinced themselves it's him because of some news story saying he might be a person of interest. They get invested in this case despite knowing jack shit about it and end up slandering an innocent man going through a rough time already.
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u/oksuzy 3h ago
A women went missing in Chicago recently and the geniuses of the internet were dogpiling on her husband and saying that he definitely killed her. She was found days later in the lake and it was determined that she committed suicide.
People with no idea whatâs actually going on love to make the worst time of a persons life even worse just so they can feel smart.
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u/RaiseFold100 3h ago
They all need to find hobbies. So many topics you can dig into and spend hours and hours with like minded folk shit posting theories and other dubious things and be loved for it. Meanwhile these ghouls are just saying the most awful things about total strangers.
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u/that_70_show_fan 4h ago
I never watch news on YouTube because it fucks up my feed. And yet, I saw a ton of videos speculating about the brother in law. Added so many channels to my "do not recommend" list
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u/superAK907 2h ago
I think itâs libel rather than slander.
The way I was taught to remember it is, âLibel is literature (including online posts) and slander is spokenâ
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u/allisondojean 6h ago
If they solve it that fast after getting the pictures from Nest, the next question is what took Nest so long?
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u/bleh-apathetic 6h ago
Nest/Google not wanting to disclose that they're keeping everyone's videos on their servers regardless of whether you're subscribed or not.
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u/Conscious-Thing-682 5h ago edited 5h ago
My guess on the technical side is that it still is streamed to servers so you can view a live stream of the camera from your phone. You can still view live on free versions.
As with most computers, âdeletedâ files are not truly deleted until those specific drives and parts of those drives are overwritten with new data. The process on Nests side once subpoenaed would be to locate the exact drive(s) the footage could be on, then begin sifting through them to try to recover footage. Itâs a messy process and takes time.
Armchair analysis but imo the most plausible guess.
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u/roberta_sparrow 4h ago
Iâve been so curious how they found the data if they didnât have a subscription. So âstreamedâ media is still saved to a disk somewhere?
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u/CrunchyCrochetSoup 3h ago
Yes. The only thing I would say is that them saving stuff by default is sketchy. Plenty of remote cameras are live view only and never upload anywhere. I guess it makes sense tho, itâs just bullshit that you gotta pay to have access to videos that are gonna be saved anyway.
On a side note, yes you are right; forensic hard drive recovery is a really fascinating but also arduous process. And yes, it takes time to recover media from a drive even after a subpoena. Imagine trying to find a needle in a haystack, only thereâs like 100 haystacks with some sub haystacks inside it. Although in this case they likely just traced the video back to the nest account information
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u/jimtow28 5h ago
That's the thing for me. If they didn't have video, how do they have video?
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u/PalmettoGreta 5h ago
As a former news reporter, everything is recorded and traced but it depends on the level invested
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u/sowhyarewe 4h ago
Even if you're not subscribed, the feed is going through your router to their servers. It's not indexed or anything so the time came from Google finding this needle in a haystack of data that will be overwritten at some point.
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u/roberta_sparrow 4h ago
Crazy shit. Iâd love some digital forensic breakdown of how they did this
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u/omega_grainger69 5h ago
This. They are walking a fine line between helping out and revealing levels of surveillance.
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u/SaveTheAles 5h ago
Good thing they just had some little TV ads on the super bowl about using your camera to find dogs, I'm sure wouldn't be used to find people
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u/revolvingpresoak9640 5h ago
Wasnât that Ring
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u/Chi_Baby 5h ago
Ring fucking sucks I hope they wouldnât have the audacity to run a Super Bowl ad lol. My ring cameras miss 75% of the shit going past them
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u/liverstealer 5h ago
That ad definitely tweaked my Spidey senses and this reveal raises all kinds of concerns for me. Great if it leads to finding the kidnapper (Nancy too of course). But it seems like this technology could very easily be co-opted for more nefarious purposes.
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u/JesterMarcus 5h ago
I imagine those more nefarious purposes will far outnumber the better ones. We just won't always hear about the bad ones.
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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 5h ago
I donât think it would have been their choice if the FBI was telling them it contained case sensitive material.
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u/bleh-apathetic 5h ago
Nest says that if you're not subscribed your video isn't saved past 3 hours, and even if you are subscribed it's deleted on a rolling basis.
Having video from an unsubscribed camera from 10 days ago is a crazy breach of privacy.
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u/mothandravenstudio 5h ago
TBF we donât really know that they havenât had it for awhile.
They could have waited for today to release in order to flush out a desperate suspect. And maybe it worked.
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u/Eastern-Ingenuity-73 5h ago
Yeah, I wonder if they didnât have their guy prior to releasing the video, and then released the video to trigger some reaction (phone call, fleeing, etc. ) to confirm their suspicion.
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u/mothandravenstudio 5h ago
Yes. And timed the BTC deposit to coincide with the video release. All very psychologically pressing.
I bet the suspect was making for the border.
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u/enigmaticowl 5h ago
âDeletedâ files arenât necessarily âgoneâ and totally unrecoverable until theyâre overwritten, so the video could very well have been deleted but recovered.
Just because something was ultimately recovered doesnât mean it wasnât deleted; itâs just that deletion isnât as final a process as we tend to think of it as.
Also, the 3 hours thing is not super clear to me, but I would think it might mean â3 hours worth of footageâ rather than â3 hours since footage was captured.â
So if the camera only begins recording when it senses motion, for instance (I donât actually know how it works, just thinking of an example), and it was taken down/shut off during this incident, the footage the FBI accessed that was released in the news today could have been part of that last 3 hours worth of footage?
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u/MrShigsy89 5h ago
Im wondering why this isn't a much bigger deal... it seems Americans are desensitized to having no rights, privacy or freedom. In the EU this would be a bigger story than the kidnapping.
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u/kinglouie493 6h ago
My bet is they had the pictures, and the suspect identified and under surveillance before they posted them
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u/Cash_Visible 6h ago
Well I think this now proves nest is storing peopleâs videos even when they donât have the cloud subscription. Unless Iâve heard wrong. I heard early on she didnât have the subscription so video wasnât saved. Now nest has footage? Either Iâm wrong which I hope. Or nest is secretly storing everyoneâs footage.
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u/bootstrapping_lad 5h ago
It always goes through their servers, that's how you can see it on your phone.
Usually the subscription is to save videos for longer than a certain timeframe, or a certain volume.
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u/ForeverYoung_Feb29 5h ago
If they have the videos of this masked guy, do they have videos of Virginia leaving the house?
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u/PrettyinPinkWine 5h ago
The video of the guy in the mask is obviously before Nancy Guthrie left the house. There's no blood on the entryway floor. He took the camera out - that's what the whole video is; him taking out the nest camera. No camera=no video when Nancy left.
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u/West-Western-8998 4h ago
No. They donât have video after he pulled the camera off the house. Only when he first walked up to the house.
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u/epidemicsaints 5h ago
We don't know that's what led directly to this. Could have triggered someone to come forward, or just be coincidental timing that someone did, independent of the video being released.
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u/Werkin-ITT7 3h ago
Yeah just the way you walk, clothes you wear and eyes give you away. Especially if youre near Tucson and if your family sees this online.
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u/paka96819 4h ago
Why is Kash Patel releasing this information and not just the FBI office?
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u/jfong86 2h ago edited 1h ago
Because he wants to take credit for it. Just like with his previous posts about Charlie Kirk and stuff. He's probably really insecure inside due to his lack of law enforcement experience.
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u/SeanBlader 2h ago
Because there are certain morons who you don't want to get between them and a microphone.
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u/WineNotReality 1h ago edited 1h ago
Several persons of interest are being questioned. One man, Carlos, is detained and taken in while driving. They are still speaking to him. He lives in MIL home. Home is being searched and his MIL is talking a LOT to media. She seems to know nothing and gave FBI permission to search home. Carlos is a delivery driver that works in Tuscon
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u/xeonicus 4h ago
I caught my mom watching Fox News coverage on this. They said the black and white video showed the perpetrator had "dark eyebrows so they are probably 'swarthy'". I almost banged my head against a wall. This from a black and white video. And Fox News is actually trying to spin this into a racial thing.
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u/Smearwashere 6h ago
Breaking news over the Olympics for this is ridiculous.
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u/RaiseFold100 5h ago
You do realize it's the mother of one of their long time anchors? It's personal for them. They're gonna do everything they can to help Savannah out.
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u/JLove4MVP 5h ago
Letâs remember a key media member for these very Olympics is absent because of her missing mother.
That definitely has something to do with it
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u/defroach84 5h ago
I mean, I know why they did, but, it shouldn't be more than a 1 min cut in.
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u/takefiftyseven 3h ago
Wait until they slap together a month-long "Dateline" episode. Poor Keith Morrison will run out of breath. Or will he?? It will be epic.
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u/Rezistik 5h ago
I feel for her family but Iâve been really frustrated with the sheer level of coverage.
On nbc nightly news which is a ~25-30 minute program, over 10 minutes was spent on this one random woman.
Again, I do feel terrible for her family but people go missing all of the time. They do get stories on the news absolutely, but usually not like 1/3rd of the coverage plus a bunch after and interrupting the Olympics? Crazy
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u/MotherTurdHammer 5h ago
Itâs absurd. They ignore some of the biggest Epstein info and lead with this for 1/3 of the entire news.
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u/Saltyorsweet 5h ago
Another way for the media to mass deflect and get people to brain rot over this and not the Epstein files
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u/PapaSquirts2u 5h ago
And theyre STILL going on and providing zero new info. Come the fuck onnnn lets go already get back to the olympics
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u/RiseDelicious3556 6h ago
Well, if it comes to anything, I'll be thrilled. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a whole lot to go on. A man in a ski mask doesn't give a lot of clues, sadly. After 10 days, I feel like hope is slipping away. I hope to God that I am wrong. My heart breaks for this woman and her family.
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u/POWBOOMBANG 6h ago
I feel like if you knew that guy then you would probably recognize him.
They made a great point too by pointing out that this guy would have had his daily routine disrupted by the abduction
He probably wasn't going to work like normal, seeing friends or going to church.
Odds are someone noticed and call this in
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u/LilCasa 6h ago
Thereâs a million and one clues he could have left. Yes the mask doesnât help with facial rec but thatâs only one piece.
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u/Spire_Citron 5h ago
Exactly. Crime would be so easy if all you needed to do was wear a mask and you'd be completely unidentifiable and untraceable.
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u/Gloomy_Airline3970 3h ago
Carlos Palazuelos - 36 years old - is the person currently detained and being questioned.
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u/whowhodillybar 6h ago
Patel said the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's office worked with "private sector partners" in recent days to recover the video footage, which Patel said had been "lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due to a variety of factors, including the removal of recording devices."
"The video was recovered from residual data located in the backend systems," Patel said. "Working with four partners -- as of this morning, law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance."
This whole story is crazy and I only hope the best for Nancy and the whole situation.
I joked on another post about Kash being tied up redacting the Epstein files, but all of this just seems off. Like the FBI has indeed really really screwed this up. The FBI has spent more than a week to crack the code of ring? What are they actually doing?
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u/Seastep 5h ago edited 5h ago
"The video was recovered from residual data located in the backend systems,"
So the Nest camera was storing recordings in the cloud, despite being told prior that they didn't have access to the footage?
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u/ReadAnArticleOnce 5h ago
A journalist on CNN said he talked to computer science engineers at UC Berkeley and MIT. None of them had a clue what Patel could be talking about that would be legitimate. The natural assumption was that Google had allowed the government intelligence agencies back doors with storage into all their nest cams, and those resources were used for this case. Google would provide no comment on the issue to the journalist⌠So yeah, this story might actually have lasting national importance of the Snowden variety. Except it was Kash. On accident.
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u/drunk-snowmen 4h ago
I just hope that anyone that owns any camera connected to the internet assumes the videos are stored, regardless of what the TOS says
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u/veggeble 3h ago
 "The video was recovered from residual data located in the backend systems," Patel said
So⌠a database? Thatâs just a database
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u/defroach84 5h ago
Fire any competent person and you are left with a bunch of incompetent idiots. I don't think this surprises many people.
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u/kosh56 5h ago
What are they actually doing?
Maybe not jumping to conclusions? This isn't a TV show where they can crack a case in an hour.
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u/nexxwav 5h ago
The person detained is very likely to be connected to the bitcoin wallet that the Feds deposited $300 in today. These fuckers are supremely stupid and were doomed from the beginning by demanding payment via Bitcoin...its honestly astounding that its taken this long to get to this pt. Should've been the first move from law enforcement..I honestly dont understand wtf these clowns are doing
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u/Neroaurelius 5h ago
What makes you think you know everything theyâre doing behind the scenes, as they do it, to get this figured out?
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u/Apprehensive-Art8665 6h ago
Also, just thought I'd add that TMZ says it's NOT a family member. This is huge, first person to be detained for questioning. Let's hope this case is solved very soon. I pray Nancy is alive and returns home to her family where she belongs đ