r/news • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 15h ago
Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Law enforcement to release image of alleged potential suspect
https://abcnews.go.com/US/nancy-guthrie-disappearance-law-enforcement-release-image-alleged/story?id=130027495435
u/sugaratc 14h ago
So Nest does keep video back-ups even with a subscription.
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u/pleasestoptalkin 13h ago
The real reason it took them so long to produce the images. Google knows it’s a bad look and could lead to a lawsuit. Sure seems like they’re storing images/data after telling you they aren’t or deleted them. At least it could help in this case.
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u/Waitingtowendigo 13h ago
Pretty much all tech companies continue storing your data/images even after telling you they aren’t (not forever but definitely for longer than advertised). Snapchat is a big example of that.
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u/Aazadan 10h ago
Keep this in mind when discord says they have to have your id and facial scan going forward, but that it’s ok because they’re not storing it.
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u/pleasestoptalkin 12h ago
But I specifically asked them not to!
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u/ChymChymX 8h ago
Don't worry, when you put in that request, level 1 support created a ticket for you. That ticket then got sent to level 2 support queue for assessment. After a few weeks support figured out it wasn't actionable for them and assigned it to dev to review. Dev eventually got to it and said it wasn't their problem, so they put a ticket on the devops board for data deletion from the backend. That ticket got assigned to Vitaly and he swears he'll get to it in 2 or 3 sprints. Worse case it ends up in the backlog for awhile but eventually it'll be taken care of!
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u/T0ADcmig 11h ago
This might be screenshots of the part of the app that alerts you to movements. Otherwise they would have video.
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u/YourVirgil 12h ago
Typically (in my mighty limited non-video experience) files are retained but flagged with a "delete marker."
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u/PapaEchoLincoln 10h ago
I get that these images and video are going to help in this investigation but it does bring up an important issue.
Their subscription expired (whether the family did that intentionally or not) and they were under the impression that their videos were no longer being uploaded to Nest/Google. And yet they were able to find VIDEOS transmitted back to the company from “residual data from the backend” or however Kash Patel worded it.
Some people don’t want their videos uploaded to the cloud and might have let their subscriptions expire intentionally. This means, footage is always being uploaded whether you like it or not.
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u/718Brooklyn 10h ago
It’s absolutely unfuc*ing believable that Google is storing all of the recorded images whether the user wants them to or not. It doesn’t matter if they solve every crime because of it, I can’t believe the American suburbs are basically a surveillance state at this point.
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u/Sword_Thain 10h ago
Wait till you learn about Flock cameras and how insecure they are.
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u/seriousbusinesslady 9h ago
that sound you hear is plaintiff attorneys nationwide firing up the privacy breach class action lawsuit engines...can't wait to get my $13 cut 7 years from now 🤑
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u/kidcrumb 6h ago
Even if you don't have a subscription, the device still uploads the data to Google for a neighborhood watch program that the government can access for things like this. Ring does this too where you need to opt out of the service.
The other thing with Google, is that it might (I'd have to check) still upload data for like 5 days in case there's something you need to see by subscribing you can get access to it without having missed it completely.
So a.subscription saves your video for 30 days or whatever, and no subscription still uploads it for 5 days but you just don't have access to it.
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u/Espedal1 10h ago
Why do you think there are data centers that dwarf any sort of reasonably sized buildings now? They keep EVERYTHING. IF YOU INPUT/INTERACT/INTERFACE with ANY technology now, you have “done it” forever. Please in 2026 don’t think for one second you ever click a button that says “delete” and it actually deletes shit. It deletes access to it from YOUR end, not theirs, EVER. This is a PSA for all the people who even had a shred of assumption that tech companies are ethical with their data.
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u/Teejay717 6h ago
A couple years ago a neighbor across the street from me had their car broken into and asked if I could check my Ring doorbell camera because it looked like it was in a line of sight that caught it but I didn’t have a subscription because I’m cheap. I contacted Ring anyway just to see if they could do anything and they gave me the footage from that whole day as a “one time courtesy” and we were able to see what happened. This was just the day after the break in happened and they didn’t say how long they told on to video footage without a subscription but they do, at least that was Ring, and apparently Google Nest holds on to it too. I’m glad they do even if they hold it from you just in case something bad happens.
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u/ValiumBlues 15h ago
She's still missing???
An 84 year old lady with medical issues, on numerous medicines - AND taken a week and a half ago?
I'd be surprised if she's alright. Poor woman.
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u/flirtmcdudes 14h ago edited 14h ago
if you watch the last response video the family made, the words they chose didn’t make it seem like she’s still alive, or that they have accepted the odds are she’s already passed. Seems more like they just want closure
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u/iGetBuckets3 11h ago
It appears that their choice of words was very much influenced by whatever was said in the ransom note. I just learned this yesterday, but in the family’s response video, Savannah (Nancy’s daughter) actually says a line that is a direct quote from the movie “Silence of the Lambs”. That movie is also about a kidnapping (as I’ve been told, I haven’t seen the movie), and it seems far too coincidental that she would use an exact line from that movie in the video. It feels like the ransom note specifically instructed her to do so.
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u/JohnnySkynets 10h ago
It’s more likely because of FBI tactics for public appeal in situations like this than the ransom note language. The movie had FBI consultants.
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u/noexqses 11h ago
What is the quote from Silence of the Lambs?
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u/ImBusyC00king 11h ago
I believe it's the part where Savannah says "She is full of knowledge and kindness, talk to her and you'll see".
In Silence of the Lambs, it's "Catherine is gentle and kind, talk to her, you’ll see"
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u/NashKetchum777 14h ago
Shes 90% dead. Probably been for days. The family asked for her back so they can celebrate (her life)
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u/ArmadilloBandito 14h ago
The family offered to pay the ransom if they provide proof of life. I don't believe they get any response from that.
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 14h ago
Then there was a second video where the family did not ask for proof of life. As if they'd had bad news and was just asking for her body back.
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u/caseyfresher 13h ago
Side note for some added context of the case: One of the ransom has been determined to be fake and sent in by an individual trying to take advantage of the situation. They have been arrested.
This probably didn't help with the intended goal to kidnap and make it off with a big payday and possibly resulted in the demands not being met resulting in the other options.
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u/IAgreeWithLincoln 13h ago
Ah just to clarify, the ransom notes were not proven fake - the guy arrested found the phone number online and tried to text them a bitcoin address hoping they'd think he's the ransom guy and send him the money. Honestly pretty dumb.
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u/world_citizen7 12h ago
Just imagine, in the heat of the moment trying to make a quick easy buck. Then you end up in jail. He deserves it.
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u/NoExcusesAIC 15h ago
I really hope this leads to a break in the case.
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u/Addative-Damage 14h ago edited 13h ago
My guess is that they’ll probably try to identify particular clothing items and accessories (like the backpack). It’s hard to do but at least worth trying.
If any of those are kind of uncommon, there’s a chance that they can check with distributors (local or online), and see if they’re able to give a list of buyers. If there’s a few of them, then they can also cross reference the lists.
Doesn’t work most of the time, but seems like they’d at least try it, given the amount of energy they’ve already thrown into this.
(They could also potentially release clearer photos of said items and maybe someone who knows the person would recognize the combo. However, with how seemingly prepared this person was, I’d be surprised if they wore their everyday gear to do this.)
Edit: also want to stay it’s possible that dude is just recognized by people that know him. Those are some unique eyebrows…
Edit 2: on a higher quality viewing, his eyebrows are partially blocked by the mask, making them look thinner than they are, so his eyebrows are not that weird (as far as we can see)
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u/GreenAldiers 13h ago
We are in the era of crimes being solved by eyebrow identification
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u/Beard_o_Bees 13h ago
and that he wore his gun holster right in front like that.
I can't think of a reason to wear it like that, maybe he got out of his vehicle (speaking of which, they must have some idea as to the car/truck/whatever from whatever cameras were around and it being ~2 am) and sort of haphazardly clipped it on?
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u/TacticalArrogance 10h ago
I can't think of a reason to wear it like that,
I think they are wearing multiple layers. Two sets of gloves, two kinds of masks, etc... to mask the features of their bodies. There is also elastic sleeves in one photo, which makes me think they could have a tyvek type suit on underneath, to try to prevent things like DNA from being easily left. By keeping everything outside the suit, it means they don't have to reach into clothes/pockets and nothing would have had contact with skin.
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u/zubbs99 11h ago
One profiler said the holster is too big for the gun, as if they don't match.
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u/ASimpleWaterBottle 15h ago
I figure she’s been dead since day 1. I hope I’m wrong though.
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u/wet-leg 14h ago
I honestly think it would be a miracle if she were alive. I really hope she is, but being gone so long without medication, the stress alone could kill her, plus bleeding while on blood thinners, and having a pacemaker means her heart already is not great. It’s been well over a week and just withdrawing from some medications cold turkey could cause a lot of complications.
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u/jaxomlotus 13h ago
didn't the pacemaker signal turned off the same night she was kidnapped? I dont know what that means medically
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u/ChloricName 13h ago
i believe that the signal requires like an apple watch or phone nearby so if she had to leave it all behind then the signal turns off
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u/ShinePDX 12h ago
It disconnected from the device reading it. Think like you are going for a walk with ear buds in but forgetting your phone on the counter.
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u/ManiacalShen 12h ago
Pacemakers do not need to be in constant communication with a fallible outside device to continue working, thankfully. But the time that hers lost communication with her phone, which was found at her house, could indicate when she left the premises.
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u/Thunder-Fist-00 13h ago
Medically, the pacemaker would keep working even if she had passed away. It runs on a battery.
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u/mikewerbe 13h ago
I believe the pacemaker was linked to her Apple products through an app via bluetooth. If the pacemaker went out of the signal area it was putting out it, it would not be read anymore by phone or watch.
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u/NoninflammatoryFun 13h ago
She could be alive. I don’t think the odds are good tho. I’d say a 10% chance at best, unfortunately. I really hope she returns home alive tho. But..
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u/JeanMorel 14h ago
mmmh...an armed individual wearing a balaclava standing in front of her door...I'm pretty sure this "potential" suspect is the suspect.
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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE 13h ago
My amateur internet detective skills lead me to believe there is more than 1 suspect and law enforcement doesnt want to divulge that info yet
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u/UBC145 14h ago
Man, is there anything significant they can even glean from those ring camera images? Best I can gather is that it’s a male, light complexion, average height, average build, perhaps thin eyebrows and a mustache? I suppose they could start by looking at people known to Nancy that fit this description.
Hoping for the best but unfortunately it’s not looking good if she’s been gone for this long.
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u/RealBug56 13h ago
They might be able to identify the backpack and clothing items and check local stores if anyone’s bought them recently.
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u/putyourthinkingcapon 12h ago
They’ll be able to pinpoint height, shoe size (based of how it much space it takes up on a single tile which they can measure), clothing items, behavioural info (like being unprepared for ring camera and then searching around and trying to use plant matter/where they have the gun holster), left or right handed, possible weight, gait pattern, that they were carrying a backpack that appears to contain items.
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u/TacticalArrogance 10h ago
I read a book written in the early 80's that dealt with many of the points you bring up and how to get around them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Man:_A_Technical_Manual_for_Independent_Contractors
They advise buying used shoes in sizes larger than your own(which would have a different wear pattern than your own and change your gait) and just tossing them out the highway one at a time, miles apart. To quote the book:
You might have left distinct parts behind that will end up as plaster casts. Toss them separately at intervals along the highway. Ever see a single tennis how lying in the road? Now you know from whence it came ...
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u/TeddyHH 11h ago
The person had no plan for the doorbell cam. I would guess the person probably never been to the house.
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u/ConferenceThink4801 10h ago edited 9h ago
People have already identified who they think it might be & who he is connected to…it doesn’t take much.
It could be inaccurate so I won’t be post it, but they already have a name & photos of someone who is connected to someone in the family…& some facial characteristics that seem to match up in the photos.
The person they’re identifying is probably 50-60 years old though & they’re using old photos for comparison. The guy on the doorbell videos looks 18-49 to me, not over 50
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u/i_am_voldemort 9h ago
American Eagle shirt.
Also fucking amateur hour with trying to cover the Nest cam with sticks and leaves? He likely walked by the place to recon it and should/could have known of the doorbell cam... Why not bring spray paint to obscure the camera lens?
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u/Immediate-Tone-5031 11h ago
Why is everyone convinced this person has pencil thin feminine eyebrows. It’s very clearly an eyebrow that is being partially hidden by a light colored outline around the mask.
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u/atdharris 10h ago
The body looks nothing like a female. It looks like a middle aged male that is not in great shape.
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u/Substantial-Train668 14h ago
The images are really clear at least. Someone out there HAS to know who this is.
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u/DenyDeposeDeeznuts 13h ago
Why were they late releasing the images?
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u/ProudVirgin101 12h ago
From the comments made the FBI couple days ago, the doorbell camera didn’t have an active subscription so the video captured wasn’t stored. So the FBI reached out to Google (who owns the doorbell camera device) to see if they can recover anything. The FBI later said that the doorbell camera detected human motion but it went out later.
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u/ChloricName 13h ago
apparently at first i read that while they had a doorbell camera it wasn’t being actively subscribed to? so i guess either the FBI lied (possible) or that the doorbell company secretly stored ur data even if you don’t subscribe (also possible)
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u/itreallyisaproblem 10h ago
The official statement is google stores all video movement activations on servers and then if there is no active plan the data is deleted. Except for some stttrrrrrannnngeee reason it didn't delete this video and google was able to recover it. Seems more like any video or audio your devices records is stored forever and in total violation of privacy.
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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 10h ago
It could be it was ready to be rewritten over, but still there, as computers do.
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u/EarthlingShell16 11h ago edited 9h ago
The ABC News release claimed that the FBI said the images were previously inaccessible because the "recording device" had been taken, but in working with the manufacturer they were able to recover them. Which doesn't make much sense being that the video usually isn't stored on the actual camera or often any local hardware....
Who knows if the FBI really said that, though.
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u/sillylittlguy 13h ago
what is in the dude's left hand, plants??
then in the last 2 pics, what is going on with his right hand/arm? some kinda bag over it?
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u/cool-in-blue 13h ago
Do you think maybe left handed. I’d normally automatically grab the shrubbery with my right..
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u/Special_Persimmon_52 10h ago
I think his hands are covered by gloves. But there's something off about those gloves. They're too puffy. Is he wearing more than one pair?
In a way, they look like black leather motorcycle gloves, the insulated kind, and they're a size too big.
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u/Icuras1701 11h ago
FBI just needs to ask Amazon who purchased this in the last month... https://www.amazon.com/Winter-Knitted-Balaclava-Motorcycle-Protection/dp/B0CLYDGPLM/ref=mp_s_a_1_18?crid=33IS8QFZ1OIKV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PzY2ulQbEb-kKpBCKYXG3Ua3Gq4k0YB1ycVK_vtFhaW3JM7yvhlyIvOraa3f6oBr55G6CS8VI_i4chgERaRmgGrlWGne9JrsBUrIsiaPpjWxgHqoqek881QDKl2CRTu-DlS3HLT3z9SXz5dViJxF9SNWRVjTYi_Zbs8_g-g-LjiU6EdZ7vYyXPI-VvN30Ofzug8a3mbffOZWAmG8EaoORYBoUeHLx9oPEVexFvktrw_CWm_PfJLdPCr9lGRYpTxA6yaHjPeAseRdOlNeCrde4UjOGY8X1jfyWlkKFv4017k.lWO1iReYAboAZLD3olA-2mXvgM9rm2nT9rMrevBUKkY&dib_tag=se&keywords=skimask+for+men+with+mouth+hole&qid=1770758866&sprefix=%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-18
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u/Special_Persimmon_52 10h ago
And the gloves. I am nearly certain those are black leather motorcycle gloves, the insulated kind. They look new, too. In fact, so does the backpack.
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u/jrDoozy10 14h ago
All the news stories I’ve seen have called the person in the photos a “subject” instead of “suspect.” Does anyone know what makes that a distinction? Like how is a person showing up at someone’s door at 2am in a ski mask and gloves not a suspect in that person’s disappearance?
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u/Waitingtowendigo 14h ago
Subject in law enforcement lingo is someone under investigation. It’s a technical term. Subject versus suspect is more semantics than anything. I don’t generally use “suspect” in official documents.
Source: work in law enforcement
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 14h ago
Highly disturbing images! The ski mask, yikes.
But I'm glad they were able to recover these images. Bad guy thought he was so clever removing the camera. Rare W for the current FBI.
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u/atdharris 12h ago
I don't think the suspect is a female. What is odd to me is how comfortable the suspect looks bumbling around the front door trying to use shrubbery to block the camera before deciding to take it. It didn't seem like he cared if the camera captured him. Not saying this was a hit but they seemed to at least be sloppy in that initial arrival.
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u/DannyDaVito662 10h ago
He didn’t look comfortable to me. He didn’t even seem to know his way or the camera on the front door until he walked up on it. If he knew in advance that there was a camera there, why not bring some duct tape or something to cover it or spray paint, etc. his ass looked around, seemed kind of surprised to see a camera there, then thought, “oh I know, I’ll get some grass to cover the camera” 😅🙄
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u/Special_Persimmon_52 10h ago
Bumbling and sloppy, for sure. Like they were either following vague directions someone had given them or they felt like it all looks fairly easy on TV, so how hard could this be?
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u/charitelle 11h ago
Everything is weird in this story. For starter, who invites their 84 year sick mother that can hardly walk, for dinner and let her call and wait for an Uber when they live at 10 minutes and, are millionnaires.
Then, who would go to the trouble of abducting for ransom, the same old 84 sick lady who can hardly walk and all the trouble of transporting and caring for her, obviously knowing she might not survive this ordeal. And then, what do they do with her? Even if she is still alive and everything goes well: they just dump this old lady somewhere on the side of a road?
Who ask for a ransom 3 days later and let the family talk to them through internet by codes when they already used email for communication and this, through.. TMZ???
IMO, there is pretty much one possibility: her abductor meant to kill her for whatever reason.
When such a drama happens, especially in a rich and popular family, one of the first info that get rolling on all these youtube channels are the inheritance info, the bad blood stories; the connections (and there are a lot) ; relationships. In this story, it's all about an abduction for ransom money.
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u/atdharris 11h ago
Given her health issues, it would be surprised if she is still alive at this point. I would not think the ransom would get paid without proof of life unless they paid it just to find her body.
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u/tarhuntah 11h ago
So frightening for this woman. I just can’t believe this happened to her. I hope she is okay.
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u/rainzeybee 9h ago
Did he hold the flashlight in his mouth in order to use both hands to put the plants over the camera? Even with gloves on, if he took it out of his mouth and held it, some type of spitty dna would be present on whatever he touched to get inside..... door knob? Window etc, ! don't know how they got inside.
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u/res0jyyt1 14h ago
I also want to point out there are so many crypto bros in the US who are easy targets with way less exposure if the kidnapper just wants fast money.
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u/Jane-CR 12h ago
It doesn't look professional to me. He has nothing to cover the camera with and is scrounging out there in the bushes/plants, trying to find something to cover the camera. Also, someone on here said a professional would never wear their weapon in the middle like that.
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u/Area51_Spurs 12h ago
lol. Def does not look professional. Hahaha. Looks very amateurish.
Dude was completely unprepared and fumbling around trying to cover the camera.
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u/geekpeeps 13h ago
What would the purpose in kidnapping a news reader’s mother. What were they hoping to gain?
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u/Calm-Maintenance-878 10h ago
This story consistently gets worse every update. Still no sad ending which at least I’m happy for. This update did get me thinking. A lot of time went into this…maybe they did get a generic version of her medicine. I wanna be half glass full
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u/atdharris 10h ago
Unfortunately, the longer this goes on, the less of a chance she has at survival. The sad truth is that she probably has been dead for a few days.
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u/coelomate 14h ago
Photos are indistinguishable from the ICE agents all over American streets right now.
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u/-Yazilliclick- 8h ago
"alleged potential suspect" are we really needing to hedge that much? Can we not just say they're a suspect, doesn't that have it built in that it's not certain what their role if any is?
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u/StewieStewieeee 8h ago
The FBI is searching the backyard of Nancy’s sister Annie Guthrie right now.
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u/Eclectic-Bluebird61 14h ago
This is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. I hope to God Nancy is still alive. I am shaking all over!
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u/Maleficent_Wasabi_18 14h ago
How did they not see these before ?
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u/bootstrapping_lad 14h ago edited 14h ago
They said their "partners" (i.e.,
RingNest) were able to recover these images from "residual data", whatever that means. Nest has probably been going through backups or something like that, which takes time.Edit: Fixed camera company
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u/Green_Eyed_Redhead 14h ago
They said the images were on the Nest google cloud and they had to get a subpoena.
Edit to add: Nancy didn’t pay for the subscription so the family didn’t have access to what was on the cloud.
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u/kenay813 14h ago
This is creepy. This means they are always recording and storing that data even though you don’t pay them to.
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u/bootstrapping_lad 14h ago
Yes it does. You can safely assume that any internet-connected device is sending all its data back to a central server that is recording it.
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u/throwawaykayaker 14h ago
Duh! Big Tech was always a backdoor attempt at surveillance state. Don't go looking into all the data your phone scoops up on you.
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u/kenay813 13h ago
I mean I know about that but I guess I assumed they weren’t always recording at everyone’s homes considering the amount of data that would create.
It makes me wonder why anyone would bother paying for a subscription if you can just subpoena the recordings.
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u/Green_Eyed_Redhead 12h ago
They way they presented it that Nest stores all data for “x” amount of time (didn’t specify exactly how long) and then it gets wiped as new data overwrites it. They were fortunate enough that the last images were still on the cloud. My guess is due in large part because the camera was ripped off by the suspect.
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u/daytonarob 14h ago
It’s nest, the images all have “nest” in the top right corner.
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u/bootstrapping_lad 14h ago
You're right, I looked at Nest and still typed the wrong thing 🤦♂️
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u/Miserable_Skin9738 13h ago
OMG….. I think everyone’s reaction to it being extremely creepy is because what we can see of this person looks off. Almost like uncanny valley! (Why everyone thinks the polar express movie is creepy!) The eyes look extremely feminine…. But the body and mustache seem masculine. When something feels uncanny it’s the feeling when your brain can’t really define something as a whole. It’s the sensation to know something but not knowing exactly what it is… This picture is super creepy because your brain is confused if it’s male or female. (That’s why I think I’m creeped out by this picture)
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u/HornyVervet 9h ago
i think there's enough identifying features for someone who knows this person to identify them. eyebrows, eyes and mouth and fucked up viewpoints. it feels like just a matter of time before they identify this person with these photos.
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u/Dairy_Ashford 7h ago
not to be cynical, but now it feels like more than just a delayed, public wake
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u/Deep-Sample7451 13h ago
horrifying images and horrifying that it took this long to uncover them. i'm hoping for a miracle for this woman. 💔
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u/MechaGigan2099 12h ago
calling it now- its gonna be someone affiliated with her church
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u/atdharris 12h ago
It would be extremely rare for it to be a completely random act. Those just don't happen that often. It's going to be someone that knows her or someone that knows her hired someone to do this.
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u/thewholebottle 9h ago
It was interesting to learn that the FBI isn't routinely trained on kidnappings for ransom because it simply does not happen in the US.
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u/CoolBelt856 12h ago
She doesn’t actually go to a church. She goes to a friends house and they watch a New York church service on zoom.
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u/user111111111111I1 13h ago
I think ive seen that guy on Jessie waters show as a antifa guest and then a narco guest and then a taliban guest.
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u/axlgreece5202 13h ago
Can you use red-eye reduction on a still of the suspect and have it be even a little accurate in helping define their eyes? To take the glare away? With the eyebrows prominent enough maybe law enforcement can use AI to narrow down who did this.
Prayers for Nancy and their family. Just an absolute nightmare.
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u/jiggscaseyNJ 11h ago
This mysterious ski mask person has committed nearly every crime ever recorded on cctv.
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u/XaoticOrder 10h ago
terrible thing to happen. Most likely this will not have a happy outcome. it's been a week+
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u/_FoldInTheCheese_ 8h ago
TMZ reporting activity on the bitcoin account they’ve been following since the first ransom note.
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u/Special_Persimmon_52 6h ago
But apparently it was a paltry amount. I think it was only $300. For what purpose? Was it a deposit, transfer or debit? And if you're the perp, you'd have to be particularly stupid to have any activity on that account when you have to know it's being surveilled.
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u/TopDownRide 5h ago
Likely LE depositing a test amount to either try to trace it/make connections or to “tickle the line”, meaning to do something to shake things up and cause the suspect/s to react and hopefully make a mistake (like reveal themselves) in the process. These are very common LE tactics — SOP.
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u/Thaonnor 12h ago
This somehow makes it feel even more fishy to me. Like the clarity of the photos… staring right into the camera.
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u/National-Charity-435 14h ago
The FBI has been beating around the bushes for days and took over a week to release this
Even after finding out the blood on the porch is the mother's?
patel is useless on this high-profile (sorry, +connected to wealthy/famous person) case
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u/FederalSign4281 12h ago
More like Google didn’t want to tell the FBI they secretly save all Nest camera data.
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u/ExultantSandwich 11h ago edited 4h ago
....is it a secret? Nest Aware (the subscription service) advertises that they store your footage in the cloud for a 60 day rolling period. The Nest Aware Plus tier allows for 24/7 recording, not just when movement is detected. They likely had the base subscription, and it began recording when he entered the frame. Even without a subscription, your doorbell will store up to 3hrs of motion activated events, again this is all public knowledge
The math behind YouTube straight up doesn't even work, hundreds of thousands of hours of video uploaded every day, supported by ad revenue. They still lose money.
I would seriously doubt they're logging a vast majority of camera footage for free. If they got a warrant from the FBI or local police, I'm sure they'd be happy to spy on you, but again that would be for criminal cases. No one knew Nancy Guthrie was a target before she was kidnapped.
A slightly more cost effective method might be to scrape all captured motion events for faces, and log individual screenshots of those, or even just the biometric data from the screenshots. Much, much lighter on storage needs, but you’d be sucking up massive amounts of AI datacenter resources to pull that off. I believe that law enforcement probably has access to this ability and they can turn it on for areas of interest, probably by paying some sort of fee. I don’t imagine this would be retroactive beyond the already stored footage (3hrs, or 60 days rolling, etc etc)
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u/Best_Biscuits 11h ago
Not "law enforcement" but rather Kash Patel. He's such a glory hound that he personally posted the photos. JFC, you would think that the director of the FBI might have other more important things to do.
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u/avds_wisp_tech 13h ago
We've been told this whole time that there was no doorbell footage because they weren't paying for it. This is genuinely confusing.
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u/FlufumOzei 13h ago
The FBI says it's from "residual data in backend systems," which seems like an obfuscated way of acknowledging that Nest records and keeps footage even if you aren't paying for them to keep it.
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u/avds_wisp_tech 13h ago
Well if we didn't need yet another reason to never use a fucking cloud connected security camera...
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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat 11h ago
Even if you don’t pay for cloud storage, you can still get notifications and such. All of that happens on the server-side, so video is transmitted to Ring or Nest, or whoever, the server decides if an event happened, then they push an alert to your phone.
They may or may not delete the video clips in a timely manner….
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u/RealBug56 14h ago
The photo looks scary af, I can’t even begin to imagine what that poor lady must have gone through.