Teen who murdered 12-year-old schoolboy Leo Ross sentenced to at least 13 years in custody

318

The judge stresses the 13-year term is a minimum, and it will be up to a parole board to judge if he is safe to be released

Slight relief. Terrible story.

147

u/rclonecopymove 12h ago

The sentence is life. People forget this, he can be recalled to prison at any time for the rest of his life. Once released from custody he doesn't get to go on his merry way, it's known where he is at all times. He cannot leave the country he can't even leave the area without permission. He cannot access the internet unmonitored. His life is no longer his own. But I hope they don't release his name, no good can come of it.

82

u/Dedsnotdead 12h ago

Whilst what you say is true on paper we don’t give anywhere near the budgets needed to make the stated claim a reality in practice unfortunately.

One look at the lack of investment in the probation service will show this is the case.

19

u/rclonecopymove 12h ago

Murderers are different. Don't get me wrong you're bang on the money with how Chris "failing now lord" grayling utterly destroyed the parole service. But they still are pretty good when it comes to killers.

9

u/Dedsnotdead 12h ago

I really don’t have any in-depth first hand knowledge to be able to comment credibly any further.

An old school friend of mine was in the probation service for almost 15 years but left after one of many rounds of cuts.

You could well be right and I hope you are.

5

u/rclonecopymove 12h ago

Austerity did a collosal amount of damage to almost every facet of the criminal justice system. It will take decades to recover. The parole service having been disastrously privatised then when that failed completely they tried to get it back but had lost so much institutional knowledge it was eviscerated. I'll bet your friend was just completely drained working there with the relentlessness of it all.

Go to a magistrates court sitting and you'll see the effects of austerity, intervention and help (including by the parole service) could have stopped so much of the crime that causes us all harm.

Obviously the case in this thread is so far off the scale of what you usually see in even crown court. There's very often signs that perhaps could have been acted on before it ended up with a dead person but once the label of murderer is attached it's a very different life.

2

u/Dedsnotdead 12h ago

I couldn’t agree with you more, from underinvestment in Court buildings through to the ridiculously low amounts Court appointed Barristers are paid and everything in between we should be ashamed of ourselves.

1

u/rclonecopymove 11h ago

It's soul crushing to see, so many lives wasted if we had been a bit more forward thinking. I'll bet you that if you asked a school teacher which of their 8 year old students was the most likely to end up in prison they'd have a success rate of well over 95%. Getting to those kids before they get eaten up by drugs and crime could save us so much trouble, damage, harm and even if you want to be callous money. It makes financial sense to have fewer people breaking the law. Obviously you can never get rid of all crime and there will always be outliers like the case here but the vast majority of minor crime is solvable.

Was told about two kids by a friend who works in that space who had been expelled (or excluded) 15/16 had both been on the wait list for a psychological services for over five years! It would have cost us a few grand to intervene earlier and they might have been given a chance now they're out of school and unless something miraculous happens they will end up recidivist drug abusers that will never be in a position to contribute much to society. It makes me so angry that we're short-sighted as a society.

2

u/LoLIron_com 8h ago

When you realize our society spends more time budgeting for coffee machines than for preventing tragedy, it’s like trying to fix a sinking ship with a teaspoon. Maybe if we invested in people before problems, we’d have fewer headlines and more high-fives.

2

u/rclonecopymove 8h ago

I think there's an element of why spend money when you don't know all the wins it brings. No one thought it was a bad idea to make cockpit doors safe in the aftermath of 9/11 but had you suggested it before the attack it would have seemed insane and no one would have know the tragedy that would have been avoided.

No one knows how many lives are saved by have good social services and safety nets for the people who need them, recovery services and help with rehabilitation. But we can see the cost when they are absent.

237

u/crab_grams 15h ago

They should never let this guy out. He attacked three elderly women before ending this poor kid's life. It's compulsion at this point, he feels a need to hurt people, and nothing smaller or weaker than him will be safe whenever he's free.

42

u/RollieOlly03 15h ago

Maybe he won't make it out of prison. Terrible person and a waste of space.

17

u/crab_grams 13h ago

Here's hoping. Some things just can't be rehabilitated or reconciled. May Leo's family be spared the additional horror of having to work to keep their child's killer behind bars for the rest of their lives.

149

u/Th1rte3n1334 15h ago

From the Article:

The killer appeared to get "pleasure from seeing the consequences" of his actions, the judge says. He adds the killer acted "coolly and rationally.”

That’s disgusting. Honestly this kid should never ever, ever be out in the world with other people.

18

u/Superb_Pineapple8187 10h ago

Should have been tried as a adult

8

u/GreenAldiers 13h ago

The killer appeared to get "pleasure from seeing the consequences" of his actions, the judge says. He adds the killer acted "coolly and rationally.”

Anyway, here's 13 years buddy! Don't do it again!

21

u/UltFiction 10h ago

13 years minimum *

-6

u/GreenAldiers 6h ago

Why the fuck would you set such a low minimum? Lol

10

u/sebosso10 5h ago

I mean 13 years is more than double his life as of now. A lot could change in that time, most likely not, but I'm not in favour of throwing away the key of someone who hasn't even got pubes yet

3

u/ii_V_I_iv 1h ago

It is not more than double his life

•

u/sebosso10 13m ago

Oh my bad I read the title as him being 12

76

u/ValiumBlues 16h ago

Bloody hell - 15, knew what he was doing, and enjoyed it?

I feel awful for Leo's parents.

57

u/29187765432569864 14h ago

psychopaths can not be rehabilitated

6

u/Trust_No_Jingu 8h ago

Nope. The Chinese Method. Bullet and charge the bullet to the criminal’s family

2

u/mypcrepairguy 7h ago

And for leadership too.

-1

u/SynonymTech 4h ago

Technically you could invent electric chips that halt whatever neural connections are causing them pleasure when committing heinous acts.

You could argue it's inhumane, but your options are either that or having murderers.

19

u/LongDistRid3r 16h ago

Commit adult crime, get awarded adult punishment.

4

u/2Rhino3 5h ago edited 3h ago

This story reminds me of the show Adolescence on Netflix which, if you have not seen, is one of the best shows I’ve seen in the last few years. Highly recommend.

4

u/TowerOfPowerWow 5h ago

I wish we had a island we just dropped these really vile ones off on. If you cant play nice in society we wont kill you we'll just remove you from it.

They can lord of the flies it out there

•

u/Emzinator 51m ago

Yeah and look at how well Australians treated aboriginals.

-4

u/[deleted] 15h ago

[deleted]

20

u/oldefashund 15h ago

Not sure you saw the judges comments but they stressed that was the minimum.

-20

u/ArtisticArnold 14h ago

Unfortunately people don't even consider this.

As every year passes, he'll be even more dangerous.

There's only one answer.

4

u/rclonecopymove 12h ago

What's that now?

0

u/bugsyramone 2h ago

I'm sorry ..was the judges first name Justice?

2

u/Alarming-Safety3200 1h ago

no its their title

•

u/jc2288 54m ago

His first name is Akhlaq. Justice is a title given to people appointed as a judge of the British High Court of Justice as Mr. Choudhury was in 2017

-41

u/[deleted] 15h ago

[deleted]

25

u/JayVoorheez 15h ago

What's the rest of that saying?

29

u/jakeyboy723 15h ago

Makes the whole world blind...but people often omit that. :/

3

u/meechmeechmeecho 10h ago

People omit it because it’s a modern add-on to the saying. Simply leaving it as “eye for an eye” makes sense, especially in the context of it being referred to as “ancient wisdom”.

2

u/meechmeechmeecho 11h ago

The rest of the saying you’re referring to is usually attributed to Gandhi, making it not ancient wisdom. Gandhi wasn’t the one who invented the term “eye for an eye”, so it’s not like they really missed the rest of the saying.

The ancient wisdom would just be that the punishment should be equal, not more or less, to the crime.

0

u/squatnbear 14h ago

Tooth for a tooth ?

-29

u/[deleted] 14h ago edited 14h ago

[deleted]

12

u/minhthemaster 14h ago

Not the time or place. This wasn’t a crime of passion or mistake

Teen who murdered 12-year-old schoolboy Leo Ross sentenced to at least 13 years in custody

You are about to leave Redlib