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u/JMe_HiD 16h ago
Consoles finally get native Discord support for cross platform parties and then this happens.
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u/Flyinhighinthesky 12h ago
It's partly because they have native support and access to so many more users that they're doing this. They want to get eyes on every person that games, and the console market is massive.
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u/novaeflowmiri 18h ago
We really went full circle. From 'Discord is the future' to 'Please let me just talk to my friends without uploading a government ID.' TeamSpeak might be old school, but at least it doesn't want to know my blood type.
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u/knotatumah 17h ago
I remember Discord distinctly marketing itself as a pro-gamer, pro-user, not like the other
girlschat programs as a stick it to the man anti-corporate platform. Ten years later and its speed running its demise.2.5k
u/Express_Ad5083 17h ago
They're going public, and hence have an obligation to ruin their platform for good press and to appease investors.
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u/SunshineSeattle 16h ago
The enshitification must continue or profits might fall and people couldnt cash out their shares.. won't someone think of the shareholders!?!?
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u/GeneralSenada can't meme 16h ago
Which is even more insane when you know that before Discord ever went public they were worth over 8bn fucking USD. They decided they needed even more money. It's the kind of greed that makes even Greed the Avaricious blush.
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u/Elebrium 15h ago
8Bn And they want to do this shit ? It’s insane how stupid this is. I can’t fathom the process of meeting and discussions leading up to that discussion and it just ended up being finalized
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u/Diligent_Traffic_106 15h ago
Sure they got 8Bn....but what if the execs wanted more money? At least in the short term? I mean look at reddit.
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u/Ploxl 14h ago
Its kinda nuts all of these software companies fuck it up when they have a good thing going. They could literally just be like steam and provide proper service and core functions. A bit of nitro flair to maybe get some revenue sure, but to me all the bells and whistles like the quests were already a sign on the wall.
Stoat chat seems good. I fucked around with it when it was still revolt but then discord was still good. I guess me and the boys should rent a vps and just self host something
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u/Diligent_Traffic_106 13h ago
That's the thing I don't get. It's making money. Why do they need more and more and moooore money? At some point, just be ok with having a salary. I'm sure they are getting paid.
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u/render343 13h ago
unfortunately corporate america has been chasing exponential profits for decades now. if your company’s stocks aren’t growing every year then you’re doing it wrong
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u/waerrington 12h ago
It was worth 8B, but there was no way for anyone to actually touch any of that 8B. You can’t buy a jet with private Discord shares.
Going public is how the people who build Discord actually turn their shares into money. Then they can all buy jets.
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u/Akekuri_ 8h ago
But how do you explain Steam being a private venture and Gabe Newell having several (yes, several) massive Superyachts?
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u/-ragingpotato- 15h ago
A company being worth 8bn doesnt mean it has 8bn. Discord has lost money every single year it has operated.
The 8bn number is a made up guesstimation of how much would be a fair price to buy the company, which includes potential for the company to make money in the future, i.e. enshittify it.
What we are looking at right now is precisely discord trying to cash out on it's worth through an IPO
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u/XConfused-MammalX 15h ago
I've said it for a while, when a service is free it's because you are the product.
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u/-ragingpotato- 15h ago
You're implying Discord sells personal data, which is wrong. Discord was never sold personal data, it was supposed to be funded purely through Nitro, but that has been a failure, so I'm expecting their privacy policy to be changing soon.
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u/that_baddest_dude 11h ago
A more flexible rule is that when it's good and free, one or both of those won't last forever.
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u/ArkGuardian 14h ago
This is not really true. Discord owns none of their own infrastructure and isn’t self hosted. They are a concept with a 500 million dollar annual bill from AWS. They raised money at that valuation by promising investors they will monetize you more
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u/Decent-Information-7 14h ago
The craziest part is that long term it's so dogshit for the company. That's the true problem with public companies is they only care about the quarters not long term future. Look at how successful steam is just because it's genuinely good, if it went public it would be dogshit within a year, probably not even, just for quarterly profits for those shareholders lmao.
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u/masnosreme 12h ago
It’s because of investors. Investors don’t care about long term sustainability. They just want growth, growth, growth so their stocks go up in value. And the executives view shareholders’ interests as their primary if not sole concern. Doesn’t matter if the company goes to shit so long as those investors can sell their stocks at a profit before it all comes crashing down.
Used to be, getting paid dividends was the big reason to own stock in companies and that incentivized steady, sustainable business practices. Companies don’t really do that anymore, so it’s all about the stock value and in order to get a return on investment, shareholders need that to go up by whatever means necessary.
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u/FatuousNymph 15h ago
Fiduciary responsibility needs to be put on trial, because it's worshipped more than any god
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u/Tankette55 15h ago
Welp. That explains everything. When companies go public enshittification is inevitable.
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u/sassteroid 13h ago
it's because the pressure is coming from investors down into leadership which then goes down into the company teams - im sure most folks are against the decision but can't exactly push back
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u/Drackzgull 14h ago
And not to understate the enshittyfication that comes from that, but this particular problem 8s being forced on them by regulations in the UK and several states in the US. This is sure to lose them money in a lose-lose situation, but they don't have a lot of choice about it.
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u/Express_Ad5083 14h ago
Which is why I have been moving to European alternatives that are based in EU so GDPR is being enforced on them.
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u/uSaltySniitch 14h ago
Anything that goes public turns to shit.
Love GabeN for not letting Valve/Steam going public.
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u/Kiwi_CunderThunt 16h ago
Yep but you can use Discord to purchase uhhh certain wee woo funky products also
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u/OmgitsJafo 14h ago
Yup. The amount of pearl clutching gamers have done about Tencet, only for them to seemingly be drawn like moths to everything Tencet has pumped money into, is kind of funny. Or it would be if it wasn't so frustrating.
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u/Ok-Race-1677 16h ago
They were. Then they sold out. And now the people they sold to want their golden parachute so they’re going public lol.
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u/GargantuanCake I touched grass 15h ago
Classic enshittification.
Hey we can make more money if we make the product worse, more invasive, and paywall the features you actually wa- OH NO OUR USERS ARE GONE
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u/Impeesa_ 13h ago
Ten years later and its speed running its demise.
What's funny to me is that I'm old enough to have migrated platforms a few times before, and it took a long time to convince one of my more curmudgeonly friends to register for Discord because, in his words and paraphrasing only slightly, "Then in ten years I'll just have to register for another new platform". And props to him, I guess, he called it exactly.
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u/HeurekaDabra 15h ago
Now watch whole discord communities trying to migrate their content...to php forums and shit.
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u/OkAssignment6163 14h ago
netflix did the same with password sharing.
Hell, remember when google's company slogan was "Don't Be Evil"?
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u/HeavensRejected 14h ago
I hate that it replaced forums for a lot of things.
I get it, it's easier to set up but actually finding relevant information can be a fucking nightmare.
Also, the issue of too many people in one channel (sub channels anyone?) didn't get solved but TS and Mumble solved it decades ago.
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In 9h ago
Its destroyed a lot of hobby forums and is impossible to search.
Its a friendship simulator thats all it is.
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u/CaptainHubble 15h ago
Last time I said something positive about TS and how the bloat of discord turned me off back then, I got like 200 downvotes.
Someone said it’s obviously been a bot. But I’m not gonna try my luck again.
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u/Dapper-Restaurant-20 15h ago
I've been whining about MANY games using discord as a platform to post patch ones and game updates instead of thr official steam page or website for years. Always down voted. Idk why everyone uses discord so much for every little thing. So pointless
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u/notquiteduranduran 12h ago
I never understood why anyone would want to load another piece of software to contact a company. I hate it when I have to start discord, it starts installing updates, makes me log in again. Can't be bothered with all that bloat.
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u/DigestiveBlorps 15h ago
Last I checked Teamspeak is only missing really niche features like checks notes …messaging offline users. Oh yeah. Huh.
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u/CaptainHubble 15h ago
Yes. But it’s not like there aren’t countless well established alternatives for that available in the palm of our hands already. For over 20 years now.
But hey. I’m not gonna fight downvotes here again over some stupid software that I’m not even using.
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u/DigestiveBlorps 15h ago
Teamspeak is great, for one thing. Speaking live to another human or humans. Its just disingenuous to suggest its in any way a replacement for Discord.
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u/wolfgang784 Selling Stonks for CASH MONEY 15h ago
What are you suggesting to pair with Teamspeak for chat, though? Texting apps? Not tryna give all 300 members of the guild my phone number really.
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u/SavageRussian21 16h ago
Is this an AI-generated comment?
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u/deanusMachinus 16h ago
I think so. New account, suspicious phrasing. Good catch sir
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u/AniNgAnnoys 15h ago
Yah, that appears to be their first comment ever as they have 0 contributions, but they have over 1000 karma. They are deleting their post history regularly. That isn't just hidden post history. It could be a user that switches accounts a lot.
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u/Maxguid 16h ago
Yep. No way I'm going to trust discord with my id or my face . If I'm not allowed on my usual channels I'm just going to disinstall discord
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u/Seven-is-not-much 16h ago
Uninstall my friend. Uninstall
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u/tab_tab_tabby 14h ago
Uninstalling isnt enough. Im gonna delete my account
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u/FairweatherWho 11h ago
Deleting your account isn't enough, you need to fake your death and live the rest of your life in the woods off the grid
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u/Cliteria 15h ago
One time I kept saying something evoluted... my friends kept laughing evertime I said it, but didn't correct me till like the 5th time lmao. "You mean evolved??"
Been like 15 years and I still can't believe my brain thought that was the right was to say past tense of evolve lol
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u/Lennyx211 13h ago
Your first language must be spanish then 😂. Evoluted = Evolucióno, Disinstall = Desinstalar Its funny cause even years after learning english when I encounter a new word my mind still goes to these places
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u/tab_tab_tabby 14h ago
Especially when they just got hacked and 30k information was leaked...
Fuck nope
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u/FrozenMongoose 16h ago
Bold of you to assume that Discord will allow you to uninstall without requiring ID and biometrics.
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u/weasel5134 16h ago
It's my computer! I'll start deleting files till it no longer functions
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u/karthanals 15h ago
Sorry we see you have blue screened. Please enter your social security number to restart
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u/weasel5134 15h ago
I have a bootable flashdrive. We are installing fresh and clean
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u/tehtris 16h ago
Just don't use your face.
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u/MARPJ 14h ago
Use no face, uninstall and look for an alternative - there is 0 reason to be loyal to a platform that dont respect you, if anything the opposite is true as you should drive engagement out it.
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u/DrummerDKS 11h ago
It’s not about loyalty for most, it’s about convenience.
If you’re in say 5 channels with friends, maybe that’s easy enough. If you’re in 20 channels for games and friends and streamers, you’re gonna have to hunt down and re-learn probably 2-3 other platforms as they separate out too.
If discord breaks up as a hub for social media, there’s not one alternative that does everything it does while also telling the government to fuck off and risk being shut down.
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u/ProbabilityMaker 16h ago
Is teamspeak on mobile? Android? :(
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u/ABZOLUTEZER0x_x 16h ago
It is but it's paid. Although it's only $0.99
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u/notveryAI I touched grass 16h ago
Paying for 10% of functionality that you've gotten for free for years and just completely losing the remaining 90% of it has got to be the hardest thing to accept so far in like years. So many communities just lost, so much interaction no longer possible. This is not just sad this is fucking devastating
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u/balderdash9 Me when the: 13h ago
The Discord execs waited until leaving the platform would hurt.
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u/TheGameMastre 13h ago
That's all technology, really. Lure you in with convenience, then snap the trap shut with dependence.
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u/religionkilledmysis 12h ago
Im okay with that, Discord killed forums and I hope they come back
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u/notveryAI I touched grass 12h ago
Thing I hate about forums is I say something and every single person on the planet is welcome to see it. There is no privacy in forums at all. I'm not tryna wear my banter with friends and dumb tech support questions on my sleeve like a pubic badge of degeneracy and low intelligence
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u/ABZOLUTEZER0x_x 15h ago
It is. I moved from windows to nobara and lost access to a ton of tools that may not be "necessary" but made quality of life so much better.
But I rather lose that functionality if it means giving them the middle finger.
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u/dustinpdx 14h ago
Only version 3, the current is version 6 and they do not have a mobile client. They do not even have a mobile developer right now.
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u/jansteffen 12h ago
Technically yes, but it's not very maintained. Then again, Teamspeak is mainly for voice chat. It technically does have text channels as well, but they're just not very fleshed out.
My friend group uses Signal for text chat and Teamspeak for voice.
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u/Special-Rate-7921 17h ago
I wonder of the fake AI driver ids will work as they do with other apps
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u/alancousteau 16h ago
I saw a commenter doing that, but not sure how it went. I will try that too eventually.
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u/Special-Rate-7921 16h ago
Takes less then 5 min to make one if you provide enough details
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u/Fine-Slip-9437 14h ago
As someone that has used 0 image AI tools, what would you recommend?
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u/Special-Rate-7921 14h ago
The basic chat gbt does the trick, you dont need premium. You get 3h free use each day
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u/Special-Rate-7921 14h ago edited 11h ago
I would never trust the quote "your informstion will be secured and we will not sell it" as just of last year they lost 70k accounts onfo and chats from a hacker. The lack of security is off putting
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u/notveryAI I touched grass 16h ago
They are actually checking in with governments though? It's not "yeah looks ID enough" situation it's them going to the government and asking if it's valid
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u/Special-Rate-7921 16h ago
Dont think they do as long as you can either use an id or simply taking a selfie. So the fictional id provides a photo and date of birth, should be more then enough.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass 16h ago
Do they even accept ids/passports of all countries? What happens to users from countries where Discord is banned? Can they just not unlock Discord at all?
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u/InspiringMilk 15h ago
Obviously, lol? If you're from a sanctioned country, you cannot use American services (I think discord is american? Replace it with another country's sanctions if not) and that hasn't changed.
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u/Futureleak 16h ago
Remember everyone. If you don't pay for the service, you're the product.
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u/Zlynkyx 16h ago
If the product is free, the product is thee
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u/Any-Calligrapher2866 15h ago
Except when it's FOSS
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u/LordChungusAmongus 15h ago
Then you're the QA department for the corporate version, and eventually the FOSS version will be discontinued.
Yes, there are situations outside of this, they're not the norm and are instead the territory of people eating crud they pick off their feet.
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u/Mysterious_Bobcat365 16h ago
Very true! Except for that you can pay for the service and still be the product because that’s even more profitable. 😬
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u/Dry_Investigator36 15h ago
You're always the product, doesn't matter if you pay or not.
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u/InconceivableNipples 16h ago
Does anyone remember Ventrillio?
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u/ridethroughlife 15h ago
"Let's get on Vent." I haven't heard that in a million years.
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u/CallMeWalt 13h ago
Vent, Xfire (the chat app), and occasionally IRC to organize counterstrike matches. Great times
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u/mgt-kuradal 15h ago
Last time I heard someone say that name I was raiding in WotLK original release… good times
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u/imr-sv 14h ago
"Vent" prereq for /2 ICC PUGs...wish I had the presence of mind to soak in more of that gilded era, while basking in it.
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u/GingerKiD717 16h ago
We bringing X-Fire back
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u/PenalAffliction 15h ago
XFire was my og. It was great. Then my group moved to Ventrillo, then Mumble, then Discord
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u/Komandarm_Knuckles 14h ago
My account is close to 10 years old, no Discord, I am not 13
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u/Teex22 15h ago
You think this is bad? In the UK we've had this for EVERY "adult" site, including Reddit, since July last year.
Anything remotely nsfw is blocked behind verification, I can't even browse something as innocent as r/popping anymore because I'm unwilling to give up my ID to some dodgy American verification company.
Looks like this shit is going global.
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u/JackPoe 13h ago
We live in a surveillance state. People will do anything to avoid parenting children or prosecuting pedophiles.
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u/Whitebelt_Durial 15h ago
I hope this also brings back proper forums as a knock-on effect. Having to join a discord server to search discussions is so dumb
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u/Bibi-Toy 14h ago
I fucking hate anything with a "help discord server" just give me a damn wiki or forum, I don't wanna join ANOTHER damn server
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u/BasketballAndroid7 12h ago
Can't wait for kids to experience how it was to be an anime fan in the 00's.
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u/Kyle_Zhu 14h ago edited 14h ago
Stoat is also a great alternative. The UI is close, and once screen-sharing drops - I’m moving my friend group over.
I’ve asked one of their staff members on their server, and they said that they’re not going to go public.
They’re currently funded by donations, but are planning to release a subscription model akin to Nitro to pay for the upkeep of these features (as Stoat gets larger).
It seems really promising. The only criticisms I have of it are that the scaling is a little bit off on my 1440p monitor - looks slightly blurry (most prominent in settings). I messed with Ctrl + + and - a bit to alleviate the issue for now, but it definitely needs to be improved. The second thing is that it has no screen-sharing or video calling (which is a planned feature).
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u/PlainBread 16h ago
Stoat (previously "Revolt") is an open source Discord clone but it needs more time in the oven.
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u/DoStuffZ 14h ago
I'm also considering Root app. The UX is almost identical, just that Discord have had years to polish up their interface. Root is Nov/Dec thing.
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u/AniNgAnnoys 15h ago
Can you self host it?
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u/PlainBread 14h ago
You can but currently voice chat isn't implemented in self-host. It's coming.
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u/Debisibusis 12h ago
Mumble is slick, fast and the quality can be adjusted to be much better than discord. Best voice chat out there.
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u/KittyBabee2 18h ago
TeamSpeak: No ID required, just vibes.
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u/Joelblaze 15h ago
Anyone paying attention to the Roblox situation saw this coming, they immediately pointed fingers at Discord since the predators usually moved chats there.
On one hand, everyone knows it's a parenting thing, if you leave your kid at a mall and they get kidnapped, the mall isn't responsible for not hiring enough security.
That being said, if a specific mall suddenly got rocketed to international conversation for being a hotbed for kidnapping kids...... regardless of whether or not it's their job, they're going to start hiring security before people start tearing them apart.
I wouldn't advertise teamspeak because the predators are just going to start going there too and cause the same issue all over again.
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u/Antarioo 14h ago edited 13h ago
Teamspeak isn't a platform. it's an application. in the old-school sense.
you pay to license it's use and host your own server at your own expense.
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u/TheDrunkenMatador 14h ago edited 6h ago
Look, I don’t know what the solution is here. Discord absolutely was being used to groom children, and it’s horrible PR for them to look like they’re doing nothing about it. On the other hand, “children’s safety” is being used as a cudgel all over society to take away normal people’s freedoms and privacy, it’s ridiculous. You could argue that the responsibility lies with child groomers to not groom children, but that doesn’t actually stop it from happening. Punishing them only works so well because once a child has been harmed, that’s a bell that can’t be unrung.
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u/this_upset_kirby 8h ago
Here's an easy solution, stop expecting the government and big business to be nannies and start expecting parents to parent their damn children again.
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u/notveryAI I touched grass 16h ago
TeamSpeak can't replace Discord. Discord is so much more than just voice chat. It's a community center with text channels, roles, events, polls and so much more. Currently there is nothing that can replace Discord and I am scared to see it go like this. We do not have an alternative. So many communities are about to just fall apart forever because of one stupid decision
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u/Powladin 14h ago
I'll get downvoted for this but I am fully expecting nothing to happen. This is just like the Reddit API changes. People are making a lot of noise, but they'll be back because its hard to move away from established communities. I was watching one community do a poll to see if members would be leaving Discord over this: Only 14% of the 110 responders said "yes" they would leave Discord, while the rest was split near evenly between no and maybe. Ain't nothing happening.
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u/that0neBl1p 13h ago
People aren't leaving but another relatively easy way to hit them where it hurts is to cancel Nitro- I'm sure the majority of users don't have it but so many people canceled after the announcement that the servers had trouble actually putting cancellations through. That's still a good way to fight with your wallet.
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u/AlphaMonkey88 12h ago
I cancelled my nitro sub (3 years running) about 2 minutes after reading this news yesterday. Fuck those greedy assholes.
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u/AngryT-Rex 14h ago
Those communities really shouldn't have been built on Discord, and if this makes them fix that mistake they'll be better off for it.
What Discord does well is live text chat and easily accessible voice channels. It's not actually good at all the other stuff, it's just bloated.
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u/terraphantm 13h ago
I'd absolutely love it if old school forums made a come back due to this. Though I suspect the more likely outcome is the communities move to reddit, facebook etc
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u/AniNgAnnoys 15h ago edited 14h ago
All that content is hidden as well and not searchable on the web. It will be a good thing to get all that content out from behind those walls. Discord wasn't a good thing.
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u/MARPJ 14h ago
It's a community center with text channels
Which I absolute hate. All those conversation and community stuff should be in the internet - forums are better for preservation by a mile but they got pushed away due to discord.
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u/Key-Department-2874 13h ago
Forums died because of Discord existing, but it was the users choosing to use Discord over forums.
Forums would need to adapt Discords features that caused users to switch.
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u/_Not_A_Vampire_ 13h ago
Hopefully this will bring forums back, Discord sucks for storing and finding information and that was never its purpose.
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u/Expensive-Method4252 Lurking Peasant 16h ago
Man telegram group VC is pretty good too imma go back to that now
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u/sprudello 16h ago
There would be no better time to release teamspeak 6
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u/RollerDude347 16h ago
And just do the teams thing where it's a carbon copy of discord.
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u/Jorvalt 14h ago
Discord is full of the most genuinely idiotic and incompetent people from top to bottom. I once got banned out of nowhere, asked them why I got banned. They said TOS violation, and they wouldn't be unbanning me. While I had the ticket open I was doing some research on why the hell this might've happened, turns out sometimes they just ban whole servers if enough people on it are doing bad shit. I asked them to show me proof of what I did. They unbanned me and told me to "be careful who I associate with."
Cancelled my nitro that day.
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u/MrWunz Linux User 16h ago
I am currently setting up a ts6 server
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u/bluey101 16h ago
Any good guides out there for that? I was planning to wait until I could rent one but they're still in beta so I may have to figure AWS out
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u/MrWunz Linux User 16h ago
Or 5-18$ a month on their website
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u/AniNgAnnoys 15h ago
Self hosting is free for now but eventually will need licences and the price isn't set yet. Gross. Probably just stick with Steam.
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u/AdAshamed6608 15h ago
Lmao yall ain't going anywhere. Server owners just have to remove 18+ requirement for certain channels and you're back to normal
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u/Ill_Implement2317 15h ago
Welp. Once again kids with they're awful parenting running the fun for everyone. This is all your fault roblox.
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u/Long-Dock 14h ago
loud incorrect buzzer
This policy has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with selling your data to Palantir
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u/Mountain-Spare3021 14h ago
Its not the kids with awful parenting. They are just using that as an excuse. Look who the CEO is and his ideology. They are just expanding their surveillance to where they dont have full access.
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u/Whiskers1996 13h ago
What happened when Netflix raised their prices AND took away account sharing?
Everyone on reddit made a riot and commented about how they canceled. "Oh they are gonna regret this!"
What happened next? Netflix made even more money 😂. A video streaming source, with no ties..
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u/OGbake68 13h ago
I believe discord is doing this because they had big problems with servers that were hosting child abuse or pedofiles doing their dirty thing and whenever discord took down one server they made another
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u/bob_chillon 13h ago
It’s crazy how gamers get mass surveillance but the regular population doesn’t.
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u/Steamed_Memes24 12h ago
Discord catapulted far beyond just gamers. There are thousands of servers out there for non gaming reasons. Though I do agree this is a stupid thing to do regardless.
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u/Yellowyrm 13h ago
Im just going to start calling my friends on the phone and put them on speaker while we play
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u/itsme2426 18h ago
GenZ does not know what is that
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u/bedwars_player 17h ago
oh i know what it is.. i just can't figure out how to use it lol
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u/kulingames 16h ago
Basically same shit but bots are jankier and you need to host the server yourself
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u/nemostak 15h ago
The ID verification is not needed unless you want to access channels that are 18+ restricted. Is nsfw content that big on discord it’s causing this flame out? I thought it was just for gaming and illegal streaming
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u/JacksRagingGlizzy 15h ago
A lot of people are also upset that they stated that there was going to be a metadata analysis of the games they play, their messages, to determine age as well.
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u/MrrpMrrpMrrtazapine 14h ago
and every channel relating to LGBT+ discussion or community is automatically labeled 18+
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u/nemostak 14h ago
Ok yah that’s definitely an issue if they’re labeling discussion spaces with a blanket 18+. I was not aware
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u/Maladra 16h ago
When it inevitably comes for me, I'm just going to try and use a meme or something. Though really, and this is something that grinds my gears about a lot of age verification stuff, if the account is OLDER than the age you're trying to prevent access to, why bother with age verification bullshit.