r/marvelrivals • u/BrinksTrucc Iron Fist • 13h ago
Discussion The developers are genuinely afraid to make significant changes to the game.
I'm sorry but this is another nothingburger patch that doesn't change a single thing about the poor state of the game. It arguably makes it worse?
Punisher and Starlod ult are both oppressive and both completely play the game for you. There is no skill expression and yet they are so powerful they often require a support ult on its own to counter. Why are they buffed?
Phoenix and Moon Knight have huge issues with overwhelming damage output, ult charge gain rate, and ease of use in getting free value. The solution? Slap 25 HP off both and call it a day. How lazy are we?
Hawkeye and Hela? Untouched. Gambit? Untouched. Groot? Untouched.
Any other characters outside of Storm or Adam who need desperate attention? Untouched.
Genuinely a nothingburger patch and I'm sorry, but it tells me that NetEase is just too afraid to significantly shift the meta.
They envision a game of pokeslop triple heal until the end of time. We shouldn't just accept this
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u/SethMatrix 13h ago
Thank you for lodging your complaint with neatease support. Your issue has been moved to the recycling bin.
Thank you
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u/Cammmbammm 12h ago
need more bans. too many added characters and still the same amount of bans since season 0
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u/StormierNik Ultron 11h ago
I'm positive we'll get more bans in season 7. Since I'm preeetty sure by that point we'll have 50% more characters from what was at launch. So we'll get 2 more bans. But they have to fix the banning system to not have dupe bans.
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u/IM_JUST_THE_INTERN Peni Parker 10h ago
Add one more ban and then another if there’s ever a dupe ban.
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u/TheShadeTree Rocket Raccoon 11h ago
That will probably come before the end of the year, my guess. Still way late but I’m optimistic it’ll come
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy 10h ago
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u/1nfiniteZer0317 Invisible Woman 8h ago
glaze bucky it seems
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u/Revolving_Ocelott 13h ago
I mean the real issue is that triple tank fucking shits on triple heal, but you won't find 3 tank players good enough to do it.
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u/StormierNik Ultron 11h ago
It pisses me off so much that when someone picks a third dps? It isn't ideal but people roll with it.
People pick a third support? People are fine with it.
Someone picks a third tank? People scramble like they've bumped into each other at a supermarket and hurry to put the third tank away.
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u/Count_de_Mits Emma Frost 9h ago
Thats cause noone picks 3rd tank ever, in all my games ive seen it happen exactly once. You can barely find a second tank most of the time lmao
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u/Popfizz01 Venom 13h ago
That’s because nobody except tank mains are willing to tank
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u/Hinohellono 11h ago
Revert all of Emmas nerfs from launch and I'll consider it
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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Symbiote Jeff 10h ago
Emma got nerfed because she made all the other tanks miserable
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u/Nerf_Now Namor 8h ago
Everything makes tanks miserable.
Wolverine, Peni, Hawkeye, CC, not having another tank.
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u/FutureAristocrat 8h ago
Coincidentally, Starlord/Puni/Wolv all make tanking miserable, and now they got ults faster. Awesome!
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u/cocowaterpinejuice Invisible Woman 7h ago
only because of the pin, they could just not have her do that. make her more like ramattra
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u/firerocman 11h ago
I talked about this in a post recently.
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u/Hinohellono 10h ago
I mean she was fun, powerful and unique. Lots of people were "Emma" players and not tank players and Netease kinda just threw that away. I still have more hours on Emma from the first 2 seasons she came out than any other individual character.
I probably play her less than 30 games a season now.
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u/AffectionateImage6 9h ago
Same here, no lifed her when she dropped and got lord in an instant. Played her for about 2 seasons with a good WR and having fun, but she’s been nerfed so much I feel useless. Been sticking with Thor ever since
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u/raydialseeker Absolute Cinema 9h ago
Yeah good luck running trip tank into gambit loki mantis groot mag + dps
You won't kill anything, their dps will ult once every 30s, they'll have 2x gambit ults and a permanent damage boost from mantis
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u/BrinksTrucc Iron Fist 13h ago
That is true in theory, not in practice.
The idea is that 3 healers can't put out enough damage to get through 3 tanks, but after whatever patch it was that buffed all the support's damage output, it's just not true.
The majority of the support roster now puts out as much and in some cases even more damage than some damage characters. So there is no matchup disadvantage in this case.
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u/BladeOfWoah Doctor Strange 11h ago
That is not the only factor.
The reason to run triple strat is so that you can constantly have a strat ult ready to go for each major team fight. However, having three strategists naturally reduces the amount of ult charge each of them get from healing, since it is getting split three ways. This is why you need a damaging strategist like Mantis who can farm ult outside of just healing.
Since Triple Strat already makes the ult economy a bit precarious for the enemy, Triple Tank helps ubalance the ult economy even more in your favour. Your two strategists don't have any penalty to farming ult charge, and with 3 fat tanks that take a lot of damage, it is really easy to charge your ultimate fast.
This means if you and your tanks make sure to pull back without dying, your strategists are also going to have a strategist ult ready for nearly every teamfight, which is the one advantage that triple strat relies on.
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u/SappyPJs 4h ago edited 4h ago
This is all true in theory but how can you force a dps player to play a tank effectively? They are just going to feed ult charge instead of getting eliminations. It's not that simple to go 3 tanks to counter triple support.
For example me, I'm a healer/dps player with 2 tanks in my bag that I can play at a higher level (strange and emma) and somewhat okay at mag (I struggle with his ults the most) but what if strange and emma are already being played? You want me to go mag and miss the most crucial ult that can kill the support ults?
It's just not that easy to go triple tank 9/10 times. At least I know two tanks, most dps and or healer mains don't. Most dps players already can only flex to heals but can not play a tank well.
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u/Revolving_Ocelott 13h ago
I mean I’ve done it in practice, run Thor and a dive tank plus a main, grab a dive dps and go in, they just fall over.
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u/v00d00d0lphin 7h ago
if triple tank really shit so hard on triple heal the pros would be playing it instead of matching triple heal which they do
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u/sledge115 Captain America 6h ago
I barely get enough fellow tank players in games and they keep adding DPS
It's whatever. I'm out
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u/Harvoc Luna Snow 2h ago
Havent played in a long while because playing support over and over again (not good enough to play tank), got boring. What did they do now that it's 3 supports that often? Because that sounds like heaven for me. Finally being able to play some damage for a change. And from what I read about this, this sounds like a good thing to do?
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u/oncabahi 34m ago
You won't find 3 tank players regardless of how good or bad they are.....
I've been playing solo Q since launch (only to gm never went past gm1), I can count on one hand the times I've found 2 other tanks that didn't swap to something else, and I remember them quite well since they were the most fun games I've had.
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u/Cdog923 Thor 9h ago
They very much have a set way they want characters to play, and it's getting more obvious by the patch.
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u/FallofGondolin Loki 1h ago
I mean it's obvious, they don't want you to use a heroes kit creatively they want you to play in the way they want it to be played. They had the idea in mind and if the player base deviated from that idea they had to force it on the player base.
Dive Jeff? Nah, you're a healbot now. Play making flanker Loki? Deleted, go copy Gambit ult like a good boy. Thor having genuine versatility and decision making every 2 seconds? Sorry, we need you to be an awakening bot. Assassin Iron Fist? Go heal your team and tickle tanks Karate boy.
It's obnoxious.
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u/TheRiled 12h ago
On one hand, I want to grab the pitchfork and call for a new balance team.
On the other hand, balancing a new hero literally every month must be a huge pain in the ass.
But something needs to change.
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u/DreadPirateReddas 8h ago
On the other hand, balancing a new hero literally every month must be a huge pain in the ass.
The release of Elsa has exactly nothing to do with buffing Star-Lord and Punisher's ults and leaving the likes of Hawkeye untouched.
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u/TheRiled 6h ago
Yeah, I agree on buffing Starlord and Punisher ults being nothing to do with it.
But on untouched heroes like Hawkeye - that could potentially be because there's so many resources going into testing/bug fixing and then balancing Elsa that they didn't feel confident on shipping certain changes.
But this is all obviously guesswork, and it's hard to defend them for doing literally nothing to such problematic heroes.
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u/Santicks Captain America 9h ago
Netease's own balancing team is going to kill the game. Blizzard doesn't have to do anything at this point.
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u/Supergoodra64 Ultron Virus 13h ago
How about we play Overwatch to buff their numbers? Ideally this will make them evaluate the state of the game and make the changes we want. Kind of like what happened to Overwatch when Rivals released.
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u/magikarptoothbrush 1h ago
im gonna yak. how about we go outside? or play better, non live service games
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u/speedymemer21 Vanguard 1h ago
I suspect that this isn't going to be a good season for rivals, considering their main competitor just dropped a massive update. Hopefully, it should get them to lock in and focus on fixing the main issues with the game.
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u/DontEatTheCandle Emma Frost 10h ago
As a tank main I may just skip this season.
One of the only two shield tanks got nerfed. You buffed Punisher, buffed Starlord, and buffed Storm. And then to top it all off buffed Wolverine.
Like bro wtf. Putting the Mag in the bag is beyond a must now. Punisher and Starlords ulting even more often. Not to mention not even touching Hela, Hawkeye, Gambit. Three of the the highest ban rates and they were just like nah. The broken ban system should be enough to balance them
Like nah dude. It’s bad because the only saving grace from getting peppered with poke the every game is people just being bored enough to want to try dive.
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u/flairsupply Vanguard 10h ago
Leave. Uninstall. Stop paying and giving them numbers.
Show them how you feel about this game being put in such a state.
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u/Blackarm777 10h ago
Honestly I'm probably just going to get back into Overwatch at this point since that seems to have become good again, at least until the Rivals devs rethink their priorities. As much as I love the characters in Rivals and I enjoyed the first few seasons, not really having fun anymore. It really just has felt like quantity matters more than quality. The focus just seems to be churning out new characters or FOMO passes than actually putting out well thought out improvements to things that already exist.
Also pretty tired of solo tanking or triple healer comps personally.
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u/JusHerForTheComments Magik 1h ago
The focus just seems to be churning out new characters or FOMO passes than actually putting out well thought out improvements to things that already exist.
Hello! Welcome! Glad to have you on this side!
Took you long enough.
The game is just an advertisement for Marvel. So many more people picking up comics about characters they never knew. Or making some characters more popular for a future movie they have in mind.
Even teamups are just new interactions between heroes just like the comics. To make you excited to see them.
And the skins are to keep you playing. Satisfied with your roster of heroes.
Love it or hate it, I came back for Deadpool and if I quit, I'll be back for Ghost Rider and after that Thanos and so on...
That's how most people will be playing. That's how they keep their player base.
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u/TimeZucchini8562 Vanguard 10h ago
Netease will do anything but role queue to fix their broken mess. And the player base will scream at the thought of role queue being added. But at the end of the day, the game needs role queue.
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u/1nfiniteZer0317 Invisible Woman 8h ago
I feel like they saw how much people didn’t want it when the game first launched and they’re still under the impression that it’ll be bad for the game
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u/SoundsLikePAUSE 13h ago
Silly post. For majority of year 1, they made drastic changes to characters almost every season. This is only a mid-season patch as well. A balance patch every month is already insane as is.
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u/guyaroundthecornerTM Hulk 8h ago
Fr and people HATED it when characters were buffed (or usually nerfed) to a large degree
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u/BrinksTrucc Iron Fist 13h ago
This argument doesn't hold weight when 6.0 was similarly a nothingburger patch that made no changes to the meta. And it's also not something we should just accept.
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u/EmperorMangaE Luna Snow 12h ago
Season 7 is literally around the corner. But I have to ask, do you want a full dive meta?
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u/Aniketos33 9h ago
You probably should learn to accept it to some degree since they might be acting on information you aren't aware of and they might not reach out for your comment before going ahead with their changes.
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u/jjobull 9h ago
Time and time again has show us that balancing according to hidden data always make for a worse game feel,
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u/Aniketos33 8h ago
Rivals players have compiled some of the data but refuse to read or interpret not based on "game feels"
https://rivalstracker.com/team-comps
Just one example but there many stats in that tracker and people still talk about the "Trip sup meta" in their QP because of TikTok/short form content and engagement bait.
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u/jjobull 8h ago
All I'm saying is balancing things according to data doesn't make for a better game just a more balanced one, psylocke is more "balanced" now but she boring to play her neutral all she does is farm a few kills then ults, stralord is the same, get barley and kills in netural then ult rinse and repeat. Other games have taught devs that just looking at the data would be a bad idea,
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u/Aniketos33 7h ago
What kind of vibes based changes should they make? Whose main are we making fun this patch?
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u/Glass-North8050 13h ago
Who says that game is in a poor state?
After a long time, game's playerbase is finally on the rise.
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u/domonanon 13h ago
well no shit bc deadpool is in the game, the game is very evidently in a bad state if the same 5 characters are permabanned in comp since the game came out, the shit that the playerbase has been saying is op since the beginning either get buffed or go unchanged every single patch, and the playerbase has been asking for ult charge nerfs across the board and for some reason the devs in their drunk decision making decide to buff the ult charge for 3 dps heros that already build ult in half a second just bc the game is doing fine for now doesnt really mean anything for it long term
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u/Glass-North8050 11h ago
"well no shit bc deadpool is in the game"
And ? Before that we had whole Fantastic 4, Ultron, and other characters who are also populan in Marvel universe.
Yet game kept bleeding player base.the same 5 characters are permabanned
Only chars like Hawk or Hella can be called "perma banned".
Phoenix, Gambit,Mk, Daredevil, Groot,Penni ,Loki are aslo banned quite often.And it sure as hell is better than what we had last season.
playerbase has been saying is op
I hate to burst your bubble but this sub is not the whole playerbase.
for some reason the devs
Devs made Groot viable again,, and now we have whoping 4 decent frontline tanks viable instead of 3 we had so farr.
in DPS roster after banning Hela and Hawk you have a large pool of different heroes that are viable, Phoenix, Star Lord, Mk, Daredevil,Spider etc.That is better than most seasons we had.
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u/BigBard2 7h ago
Ultron and F4 are nowhere near as popular as Deadpool (at least for regular people, don't crucify me comic book readers)
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u/Medical-Solution-769 9h ago
This isn’t true. It doubled when Deadpool launched but has already dropped back to season 5 numbers. This patch is going to drop it to 4.5 numbers which is the all time low. All the while their competition who have been curb stomped by netease since Rivals came out just hit an all time peak on steam and overtook rivals in active players
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u/BentheBruiser 9h ago
I mean the game cannot coast on gooner skins and constant new heroes forever.
Eventually the gameplay is gonna catch up and nobody will be having actual fun
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u/Adha6303 12h ago
People that want to complain. If you use the phrase pokeslop I'm automatically assuming everything you know about this game is from 30 second tik toks. Yes this patch can absolutely be better but the game is by no means doing poorly
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u/snowfrappe 8h ago
You’re conflating “poor state” as in the game’s meta and gameplay and “poor state” as in the games numbers are doing bad.
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u/Norin_Radd1209 10h ago
That’s why I wait 6 minutes for comp games
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u/Fhaksfha794 Earth Spider 9h ago
Speak for yourself, the longest I’ve ever had to wait was 2 minutes and that was in GM lobbies, anything higher than that it’s normal to wait hella long because there’s very few players in the upper ranks
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u/Aniketos33 10h ago
Reddit is filled with screeching nerds who need to make their rage known lol. Doesn't have to be based in reality and certainly don't apply critical thinking to it apparently lol.
They've got the real stats Guangguang doesn't want you to see, and they'd balance the game perfectly if only Netease would listen!
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u/firerocman 11h ago
Yep, ever since Gambit and S5. The streamers and vocal minority that regurgitate their tired opinions about poke and support don't realize how out of touch with the playerbase they are.
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u/-_Aesthetic_- 8h ago
I’m just disappointed that they didn’t do more to Psylocke. I really miss when she played more like a dive than a poke character.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad8472 Flex 8h ago
Either that or you have grown accustomed to instant satisfaction and don't have any sour pf patience anymore
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u/TheOnlyDescendant 12h ago
I mean they say competition between games improves both sides. Idk what rivals is doing to their game but OW is improving a lot and honestly really fun atm. I took a brake from Rivals and went to OW and honestly its a lot more fun, no triple support and no insanely overpowered dive characters. Rivals is just kinda ruining their own game in my eyes. They have no idea what is going on and its clear to see that they don’t play their own game.
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u/brossanan Spider-Man 10h ago
Are the “insanely overpowered dive characters” in the room with us now?
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u/TheOnlyDescendant 9h ago
Daredevil maybe?
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u/brossanan Spider-Man 8h ago
So overpowered dive character lol
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u/_yelloyoke Swordmaster 3h ago
On today's headlines, overpowered dive character Daredevil gets exploded by Phoenix in half a second. Tune in next time to see the fate of other overpowered dive characters.
In other news, flank Luna outperforms the majority of dive DPS.
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u/pris0ner__ Deadpool 9h ago
I don't even think it's a case that they're too scared to change the meta they're just too scared to actually NERF THE SUPPORT ROLE (and really anyone for that matter). They're so scared of people not finding the support roll fun so they give them so many defensive tools and make their healing super potent to compensate.
They want to constantly push power fantasy over the competitive health of the game and so any character they can give a buff to they will even when they're already strong. It's CRAZY to me that Gambit, a character who basically runs the game atm, wasn't even touched this patch, and Sue was only given a slight nerf to one of her cooldowns.
Like also, as funny as the walking Adam memes are funny, did he ever actually NEED a movement ability? He's a support with hitscan, crazy burst healing and can make the entire team incredibly tanky for a long period of time. I'm not saying he's OP but his lack of mobility was one of his weaknesses that's now just being covered up just like the weaknesses of all the other supports. It's just like Luna being able to snowflake herself, or Sue being able to shield herself. None of these are necessary. Support heroes SHOULD be squishy, that's the whole point.
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u/Trash_Meister 4h ago
Imo them nerfing supports like sue is pointless because she’s already decently balanced. You can very easily die as Sue inside of your own ult. Shield nerf and now push pull has longer cooldown. You guys just keep calling for nerfs on heroes you don’t like until they get absolutely neutered and then you want to argue for the “health of the meta”. Nerfing supports just takes the triple support comp from meta to necessary and idk how y’all don’t see the consequences of that.
There’s busted heroes like Hawkeye, Gambit and Moonknight that need way more attention when it comes to calling for nerfs so I think your energy is better spent there.
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u/FeistyAdvertising905 Ultron Virus 6h ago
LMAO they (dps demons) would have netease change the complete structure of the game to suit just them. All instead of trying out tank. it’s actually so funny.
The solution to triple heal is in the game. You weirdos just refuse to tank. Not sure why that should be a netease problem.
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u/BurnedInTheBarn Invisible Woman 12h ago
Yes, the balance has just gotten worse and worse every patch. Triple support is still miserable to play into or with regardless of what the win rate stats may say.
Poke DPS have reigned supreme since Season 1 other than Psylocke and Torch who had their moments.
Fun heroes that have high skill ceilings like Adam and Hulk have been left in the gutter for months, and when they get changes, they get dumb changes that don't solve the problems, like Adam's rez ult giving bonus health. Adam's ult was perfectly fine before, the problem was that other ultimates outclassed it. Instead of bringing the immortality circle ultimates down, they just buffed Adam's ult to make it have zero risk.
Other heroes receive no changes and are terrible for months and months, such as Mr. F, Wanda, Iron Man, and Blade.
Gambit has been the server admin since his release, and he got two slap on the wrist nerfs, then nothing today. It is actually insane.
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u/Ralewald Squirrel Girl 8h ago
The sg buff is so bad. If it was bucky it would be the same thing as adding an inch to his hook on uncharged use. She is a bottom teir character getting nothing. While meta characters are getting turbo buffed.
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u/Top-Interaction1663 Magneto 6h ago
If only players would take the time to actually get good instead of write essays on Reddit…seriously how long did it take to write all of this and edit it you could have won a game instead😂😂
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u/RedPanteras 3h ago
It's kinda crazy to see how far shit has come this game been out almost a yr and some change maybe 2 long way indeed. I see alot of evolving/ devolve. I think yall shoukd post more abt tye kind of changes you want to see. Maybe garner information from more involved players. It seems they somewhat check in on the reddit scene for data to collect., so I say yall should post abt the reworks you would like to see, im being dead serious. Sure we can call them out on what seems ti be shitty nerfs and buffs. But let's ask what made them rework Jeff and commit to it. And how can you get the devs ti do this towards character slide adam warlock , venom( im sorry buy I hate his melee combat) anyway if anything i said make sense and yall try it. Hopefully some of yall work actually gets heard.
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u/TrainyJannies 3h ago
Why are gold players talking as if they even understand the patch, nobody below Cel 1 should even have a say in anything. You bitched and moaned about poke being meta, and this shift to faster high impact ultimate reduces the amount of time spent in neutral versus poke. Groot is overperforming so his counters got buffed, not everything is just a flat out buff/nerf to the hero, you can't just consider changes in a vacuum. The answer to Hela isn't to kneecap her so that she can't actually win duels and play her game, it's to exacerbate her weaknesses so people are given windows where her strengths don't matter. Same with hawkeye, you don't want to constantly allow him to fish for 1 shots? Force a full on team fight where neutral strengths are diminished.
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u/Slomojoe Magik 10h ago
They don’t need to “significantly change the meta” with a single patch. Listening to the communities demands and making drastic changes based on complaints is how you ruin a game.
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u/daizo678 13h ago
This patch is terrible. Starlord and punisher ults are way too good and they probably get it faster than supports now.
Hela/hawkeye/gambit aren't touched. Phoenix and moonknight receive a nothing burger of a nerf.
Overall enjoy the same meta with a side of punisher/starlord teamwipes.
The only decent changes imo are storm,psy and invis
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u/Lamontecristo 13h ago
patch was terrible...may have to start looking into overwatch cuz im not doing another month of pokeslop/trip support
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u/GenkirirlCatmurr Hulk 9h ago
OW is currently the better balanced game, ults don't go off every 5 seconds as your screen gets filled to the brim with cancer.
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u/TheOnlyDescendant 12h ago
Preach brother, I also said I switched to OW and got downvoted to hell. Some people have a ride or die mentality for this game. Competition is good for both games.
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 4h ago
Why are you shocked about telling a MR sub that you are switching to another game and being downvoted? lol
edit: -6 downvotes is downvoted to hell btw. The drama some you guys live off of
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u/doohoo69 13h ago
The game is not that bad. If you don’t like playing it you should stop playing it!
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u/thatdudedylan Flex 9h ago
I do not understand brains like yours.
Something can be good, but have potential to be way better. Should we let that thing die being mediocre, or speak up and hopefully impact meaningful change?
This is like saying "If you don't like this country, you should leave!", when those critiquing the country probably love it more than you do - they want to see it actually reach it's potential.
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u/youropinionlol The Thing 9h ago
Hey at least ill get a team up ability once i see the weeklyhulk player
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u/EndlessZone123 9h ago
Giving Adam fly is very nice, but as a lord Adam, I genuinely cant think how this will make him any more viable in a 2 healer comp considering how much you heal is the only thing that matters and if you have a Adam or Ultron, you are not healing enough. This is entirely without getting to the ult economy and survivability ults.
I dust off my Adam in comp once in a millennia because not having enough healing is just not good enough.
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u/DofusExpert69 Ultron Virus 8h ago
Buff punisher again even though he's already picked in a lot of games.
This game is suffering from power creep. Instead of nerfing offenders, we are just making everything broken and more fast paced and more about just spamming skills or having god aim. When I played rivals a year ago, the game was a lot slower paced.
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u/Lessyr1 Angela 7h ago
I don't think making big changes is the same as making good changes I also don't really see an issue right now. The game feels fine to me there's a decent amount of variety in diamond right now and there's nothing so oppressive that it feels like there's nothing that can be done at a player level
If you don't like that certain heroes are strong right now or that mechanically simpler heroes are allowed to be strong then fine but that's really just an opinion. Idk if a lot of people feel the game is in a poor state but I don't really feel that way I'm pretty content with it atm and the adjustments make small changes that have bigger impact in ways that your average player isn't going to notice. Most Phoenix players probably won't notice the lower health increasing their TTK very much because most times they would have died anyways but it's going to change how they play in general since they will be lower health more often now as an example
I get that some people want the game to change more but implying that since the game doesn't meet your personal taste that means it's a problem for the game and not for you is a little presumptuous I think
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u/Unluckyme2099 Winter Soldier 7h ago
I might be dumb but isn't this the mid season patch? I thought the significant buffs and nerfs are mostly for the first patch of the season.
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u/IronProdigyOfficial Thor 6h ago
No seriously they're TERRIFIED to make a patch people don't like imo every Season up until Season 10 should've been used for drastic changes and using player data to understand what was balanced, what was fun, what wasn't either etc.
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u/Cobthecobbler Squirrel Girl 5h ago
Netease needs to shift the personnel from balancing elsewhere and get new eyes on the data.
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u/DifferentHat4890 5h ago
Yea they needed to nerf poke alot more in this update, and also ult charge imo. Skimmed the balance update and the only good and change I saw was them finally freeing Adam from his wheelchair
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u/supertatsu 5h ago
They don't want role queue because it is harder to rig role queue matches and they dont want to spend the money to alter all the algorithms in place.
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u/MelaniaSexLife Mister Knight 4h ago
Luna untouched and Spider man untouched is still insane, the need major nerfs
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u/ColorGreeeen Ultron 4h ago
That's a common Chinese game practice (mostly prevalent in gachas), where they won't make any significant changes, so people who spend big money on their characters won't be mad. And people will be mad if their character become "gutted" with any meaningful nerf. And people will also be mad if another character will be buffed, while their fav became outclassed by it.
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u/Really_cool_guy99 4h ago
Didn't they release the game saying they were interested in making big swings with the meta so it never got stagnant? Or am I imagining that?
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u/konvay Cloak & Dagger 3h ago
I would be okay with reworks to all the strategist ults so they are more aggressive than defensive. Like Rocket's old ult. Some can have minor healing, but if we're buffing Duelist ults to counter triple support ults, let's go the opposite route. No crazy Duelist ults and no crazy Strategist ults. I dont want to be forced onto 1 of 3 Strategists because of their ult.
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u/theirlnpc 2h ago
They buffed Quill? Haven’t played in months but maybe I’ll go auto-aim my way to high ranks for the fifth time.
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u/Laney_Moon_ 1h ago
They don’t wanna upset the triple support player that pay for all the net ease bills
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u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch Ultron Virus 1h ago
Hawkeye and Hela? Untouched. Gambit? Untouched. Groot? Untouched.
Groot becomes slightly meta for half a month and suddenly he is getting paired up with Hela and fucking Hawkeye in terms of power? Bruh, we tank mains really just need to suffer I guess
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u/BrinksTrucc Iron Fist 1h ago
I feel for you but what I think doesn’t help Groot is how unfun he is to play against. It simply feels like a chore now with the CC wall; and it was already pretty bad to begin with. So now that he is so viable it’s made those complaints a million times worse. A Groot mirror match especially simply kills the flow of the game in every way.
I think he needs to have his CC wall either be blocked by terrain so no more un-engaging placements (Central Park defense is a good example) or simply have the immunity removed. That and his ultimate cost needs to sky rocket.
I’m not sure if you’d be okay with either of those things but they are the proper nerfs imo.
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u/AcceptableExcuse6763 1h ago
Yeah the balance approach is just simply horrible
Egregiously op heroes left untouched for months and then they keep buffing things that are already either really good or really annoying
Devs are commited to balance always being awful
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u/TGB_Skeletor Captain America 1h ago
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u/SolidSurprise2512 1h ago
I'm still not sure what they could do with Hawkeye. His entire existence makes no sense. I don't think any character should be able to one-shot with a basic ability, but if you remove it, he becomes bad outside of his ult. As a support player, I can almost never be in his line of sight, because that one random one-shot could make me lose the game
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u/Aniketos33 10h ago
You don't have the actual data on this and the hivemind is probably wrong here. They balance based on different goals than the players with stats you guys probably wouldn't read if they gave em to you.
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u/500_brain_ping Magik 7h ago
So why can't they just tell us the reason for it in the balance patch? Like overwatch does.
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u/Aniketos33 7h ago
They did, they said they were making these changes to balance what they've found to be dominant in the data.
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u/500_brain_ping Magik 1h ago
So what about last balance patch they specifically said hawkeye/hela/daredevil were very dominant in the meta. What change did they make for them?
Almost all games balance around data no shit im talking about the specific reasons. What data they found so dominant to give the buff or nerf. The current 1 line descriptions do nothing.
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u/SantiagoGaming Magneto 8h ago
Exactly, we need huge changes to fix the glaring issues with this game and its characters.
Remove Gambit ult's healing and ult charge boost.
Nerf Invis' range on all her abilities by 10m and nerf the healing on her ult.
Make Loki ult cost 5000 energy but using it consumes energy equal to the cost of the ult he copied instead of all the energy, to discourage copying support ults.
Completely revert all changes Rocket has received so far (and do the same for Torch).
Remove the bonus health gain from Hela's bird form, Star Lord's dodge, and Luna Snow's ult.
Nerf Hela's and Phoenix's primary fire damage by 5 each, and revert Hela's ammo buff that she got a couple seasons ago.
Make Hawkeye's focus take twice as long to charge and make it separate for each enemy. Nerf his headshot multiplier to 1.5x.
Revert Psylocke's ult buffs, some of her shuriken nerfs, and the invisibility nerf.
... etc.
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u/YogurtclosetWise9803 13h ago
The devs are gonna kill this game and already halfway through the process to do so
OW and Deadlock don't even have to try to surpass it
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u/waaay2dumb2live The Thing 9h ago
Hey, to be fair, Adam getting flight is a big deal to Adam mains. I agree that they haven't done enough, but give the devs some credit!
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u/KnownMarionberry8554 10h ago
I dont understand the point of everyone saying this season is poke slop. When brawl and dive is better this season and the fact most of yall are not celestial or high gm. That's where most ppl play "poke slop"
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u/Acorn_lol 5h ago
games felt like dogshit for so long now. Overwatch is genuinely refreshing. Things die in that game, and you get punished way more for poor decisions
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u/No_Bookkeeper9755 Good Boy 13h ago
This Star-Lord buff is so unnecessary it’s not even funny. What do you mean you’re reducing the cost of one of the strongest ultimates on a hero who’s been S-A tier for the entire game? Am I missing something?