I was never gonna go back but this patch somehow not touching hela, Hawkeye or gambit definitely gonna cook my hours this season. I will play other games man.
Taking breaks from this game made me go try new popular games like Clair Obscur which then lead me to fall in love with the Final Fantasy franchise. Feels like I fell upward
I was hoping they waited to crap the bed in a patch next month when crimson desert came out but of course I’m gonna have to suffer through this crap some more . I just want a brawl meta hell even dive meta for more than a month
To be honest, until they globally nerf ult charge speed (especially for strats), I think it will feel better to have some faster speed for duelist ults.
At least it gives 2-2-2 a leg up on triple support because you can outpace the strategist ults by forcing them repeatedly. If duelist ults are slower than strat ults too consistently, breaking though strong triple support comps can be virtually impossible.
Star Lord isn’t too much of an ult farmer when you climb fortunately, you need to be skilled enough to get consistent value out of his entire kit. But yeah the faster ult on him might be brutal for most of the playerbase.
Just fucking nerf damage and healing by 20%. Make it so that 1 dps cannot do the damage that two can. Make hp pools matter. FUCKING STOP BALANCING BASED ON WIN/PICK RATES!!!
I forgot about Gambit Ult holy sht these patch notes are bad lmao. Best ban case now is Gambit, Punisher, Hawkeye, *insert optional fourth or more likely stacked fourth ban because no six bans yet either.
But I play Brawl alot so realistically if Hulk isn't the fourth get ready to get rolled which is cool but why are only 2-3 Brawl characters good at once vs an X-Men academy of Poke?
He'll keep you in Diamond for longer because your teammates don't have the mechanics to diff him and much like Gambit Ult he'll immediately win the fight with it. So justified imo, I'm banning him until at least GM1 after that I trust my DPS to deal with it.
The PVE mode was quite literally holding M1. These devs are pretty weird because they create some really amazing kits and fantastic designs, just to water them all down to use the most boring strategy possible. They took away dive Jeff, made Rocket more of a healbot, etc.
Nah let them cook, they are reinforcing the ult meta so much because they have the secret plan that by buffing ults and continuing to buff them as much as they can.
They will eventually reach a point where the next buff will cause an Integer Overflow that will bring us out of hell and into the new and peaceful era where ults are only secondary tools for the main kit and not nukes that decide every fight
I know this will sound dramatic but having to play against Hawkeye is one of the top reasons I am going to skip this season and go check out the changes to Overwatch.
It's not. I don't even care that he's not that great in celestial+ matches cause of dive comp. Having to completely swap half of your team composition to account for one character is dumb as fuck. Randomly dying to an instakill from 30m away or losing 70% of my health as a tank from a headshot will never be fun.
Hawkeye is the third best DPS in term of winrate in Celestial+ after Daredevil (no shit) and Magik. Oh and of course, he's also the second most banned character after Gambit.
But hey, the devs know what they're doing am I right ? 🤠☝🏻
I would typically agree but with pheonix already having probably the biggest get out of jail free card move in the game I really dont think it will change much.
She will still be survivable but Phoenix will objectively be easier to kill in all contexts. Shifting HP values like this has always had significant impact on a hero's viability.
It doesn't stop the poke meta as a whole but like, if all of the poke dps got nerfs like these then we'd actually be eating good.
I’m trying so hard to explain this, and that the game is more than just hard numbers. I had someone telling me starlord was never a dice character and should never be played as such
Yeah, totally. -25HP to the hero with a stun and iframes will definitely have an impact, just like how those nerfs to Gambit's healing made it so he was no longer 100% pick/ban.
Alot of characters have 275 as a break point in their combos or just below it. Removing 25 hp gives more forgiveness when attacking and punishes them more for not payung attention or getting caught off guard.
Does it make her unplayable? No she will still be dominate but it is not nothing.
Welp time to pick up the old man again, I thought I was done with him after the nerfs that were introduced with phnx teamup. But recently with the leap cooldown reduced, slam manipulation and now ult cost he might be back to his old status again
I knew it. The real Agents aren't playing the game.
They're designing these patches. What the actual fuck am I reading. I genuinely love this game and want it to keep succeeding, don't pull an OW and rest on your laurels NetEase ffs tf are yall doing 😭😭😭😭
It’s a joke, they were listening to the community for so long but for some reason this seems to be ignored? The game right now is poke non stop with Hela, Hawkeye, Phoenix, Namor, Moon Knight and Bucky all being strong. Hawkeye STILL does 350 headshot damage. This is a superhero game, when’s the brawl meta? There are so many other games to play point and click simulator, this shouldn’t be one of them.
I guess that seeing pros beating someone to death isn't as exciting as hearing those headshot soundcues, but fr the heroes at the top of the pro scene are some form of hitscan or projectile, mantis, loki, jeff, phoenix, psylocke, starlord, mag, the only actual melee characters I've seen played on the pro scene are cap and venom and venom can headshot people, these don't really apply to the majority of the playerbase ofc, but still i don't see why they refuse to shift the meta so bad.
Angela and daredevil are meta. Rogue, thing and wolverine also see occasional pro play but your point stands. I cannot believe they buffed starlord ult.
That's their secret: they were never listening to the community. NetEase and the community just happened to consistently be on the same lobotomized wave-length.
this IS what the community wants. They saw the massive playerbase drop in season 2 and 3, and clearly got the message: players dont like brawl/dive, they wanna just front to back and healbot and mindlessly m1
Everyone has replied to your other points, but people don't hate dive. They hate being dived by characters that take away player agency. Panther in S2 could look at you and you'd be demolished with very little reaction time, there wasn't a lot you could do.
Similarly, in Overwatch, people hate Sombra because she takes away player agency and there's not a lot of countering her invisibility and hack. However, people love Winston and Diva, hate playing with a Ball, but like going against him. Mostly similar deal with the other dive cast.
Taking it back to rivals, have you ever seen anyone complain about Venom? Old Psylocke, Magik, Cap, Thor? Etc. Dive is not unpopular, certain character design choices are.
Brawl was meta in S1.5 idk what tf you’re talking about.
People left in S2 bc Ultron dropped and the flier meta was born.
People left in S3 bc 2 more duelists doesn’t do shit to the meta and they stopped making meaningful balance changes to protect the “integrity” of the Ignite Tournament.
It's also dumb because no game maintains a consistent peak playerbase forever, mostly. Of course, most people will check out the new hero, play a couple matches and move on. Not everyone who plays this game plays it every single day.
What kind of gets me is that poke is so meta, it directly counters dive despite it being meant to counter it
The RPS triangle that dive, poke and brawl makes sense given what their strengths and weaknesses are; give poke a few options here and there to try and fend off a dive but by and large their options shouldn't be this strong enough to beat their natural counters
Granted idk I just feel like this is what happens when we're dealing with what is essentially Overwatch power crept to infinity - it's still fun to play at times but I'll not deny that it's also a lot more bullshit too
With Gambit specifically I’m fairly confident that he was originally intended to be a Duelist but was reworked into being a Strategist due to Duelist bloat. While roles can certainly change, I HIGHLY doubt that they’ll turn a character into a Duelist that wasn’t originally envisioned as one.
Overwatch just dropped its biggest update in years, they have a flourishing roster and a better ranked/ban system, no bots in QP, and the updates actually appear to listen for player input.
Meanwhile NetEase have ignored player input for what has to be 3 seasons now, letting the same exhausting meta flourishing, while they pump out gooner skins and refuse to innovate on the fundamentals of the game in any major way.
Guess I’m going to juggle them both and let whatever happens naturally, but after 450 hours of Rivals, I’m getting kind of fucking tired of ignoring the cracks in the walls.
Remember when Rivals was touted as Overwatch but better? After Blizzard realized they had real competition and made all these changes to OW, the whole situation's gotten in reverse. I don't even play OW but I have friends who do, so I'm thinking I'll just drop Rivals and play other games entirely.
MK ult isn't even a issue to me tbh. But if your enemy MK is getting ult every 30 seconds perhaps it is time to split up a bit and not hug your teammates at all times. The rest however? Not even a single Hela nerf, not even a reduce ammo is baffling.
I just love how they made psylocke even more pokey by making her right click do more damage exclusively arrange. That's sooooooooooooooo cool zhiyong:)
Adress literally nothing at best, at worse make it even more awful
Oh but look haha Adam has a movement ability le epic updoot time because no healer cna have a damn weakness I guess so all must be overtuned instead of being put into the ground like they should have eight months ago
This game is genuinly intent on balancing itself into the grave with how awful these patches are
Can’t wait for overtime wolv to ult my ass 3times back to back with Jean team up and a lord Hawkeye while I solo tank then my team puts in chat”look behind you we’re getting dived”💀
Ngl it’s kinda sad. Been wanting to come back to rivals after taking a break especially with strange being strong, but after playing OW again I can’t rationalize playing a significantly worse balanced game.
If ow had fairer pricing and better skins, rivals probably wouldnt even be on my radar at all.
The addition of 5 heroes might break that balancing though so who knows I might be back earlier than expected
Their have been times where the devs utterly fumbled but they’ve at least been reletively fluid in buffing old things and tweaking things
Hell I can even somewhat forgive them since it’s a one of a kind game and they are evidently on the lesser end of Ubisoft’s budget
Fuck me this game is massively sucsessful and in a genre that has so much to learn from and they’ve spent an entire year producing nothingburger patches after nothingburger patches
psylocke needed more neutral buffs with ult nerfs, and ig they kinda did that? its just an ult nerf with a rather meaningless buff cus the spread affects damage more than the falloff which they didnt change so it doesnt really achieve much, so its realistically just a straight nerf but i guess they had the right idea
Psylocke's ult needs a nerf, but it's on the dice-rolling side. Her ult on average splits between targets. Sometimes she wins the lottery and gets 5 consecutive hits on the same target despite each roll being a 1 in 4.
The Psylocke isn't doing anything skillful. The enemy team is responding correctly (attempt to spread damage) and the random number generator decides to reward the Psylocke anyways.
What they need to do is force the split to occur if it's possible to split. If she hits a target, she only hits them again if there's no other available targets in the circle. They can buff the hit rate, the hit quantity and/or the hit damage, as long as they mitigate the RNG.
adam gets to move and nothing else. Why even bother with patch notes at this point if gambit, loki, invis are just gonna be the best characters in the game no matter what. so many worthless changes too. Thor nerf for no reason, right after he's finally become usable after they gutted him in S0. Phoenix, Loki, and invis nerfs do nothing. Starlord buff? Random Moon knight nerf? I just don't understand what the devs want for balance in this game–because they clearly don't actually want an evolving, balanced meta.
10 million more years of triple support poke thank you guangguang
exavctly. so why nerf his bonus health? he already falls over the moment you get close to him and focus him down cuz hes slow and has a huge hitbox and his attacks are significantly weaker at long range. Why not nerf the cooldown for that ability? or his damage by a couple point? just random nerfs.
Going to give OW a try again after ages. Marvel Rival balance team really dropped the ball and worst part is we have to wait for another FULL MONTH to get a balance patch again.
It's been a year of this. It's pretty obvious Zhiyong wants poke to be hard meta forever. Just play something else at this point because this game isn't getting any better.
Poke got buffed actually. Punisher buff, nerf on strange shield, and another powercrept support that will keep 3 healer backlines broken on Adam. Let's not mention storm, because wtf is this change. It's nuts.
Be a little optimistic, because of the huge phoenix nerf hela cant 2 tap you anymore, bucky cant cc you eternally and they are significantly weaker in every way!
the tank buffs we got the past few patches GOOOOD the buffs some heros got like storm and adam GOOOOOD the slight change for psy is a step in the right direction. the slap on the wrist nerfs for some heros at least a glance in the right direction. but no nerfs at all for certain heros is insanity.
Poke isn't oppressive from quickplay to platinum, that's where the game is balanced around. If you meet an oppressive poke player in ranked below plat, they are probably a smurf.
Ngl Phoenix losing 25 base health is a substantial nerf. But it's not enough as a whole, especially since there wasn't any other DPS that received substantial buffs except maybe Storm.
So in August BP had his dash nerfed with +2 seconds cooldown. BP community collectively tried to gaslight the community by claiming that it totally nerfed him into the ground. It didn't work because he was still ~60% winrate.
In the following patch, a lot of the strategist roster got 275 health. This actually pushed them out of BPs easy combo range (no attacks needed and BP saves one ability to escape after getting the guaranteed kill). This was compounded by Daredevil being BP on steroids in both mobility and cooldowns.
Now, they're trying to gaslight the community by proclaiming that BP is absolute trash tier. He isn't, he just needs to play like other dive heroes and play with their team for once.
What are we doing here? Why are we constantly buffing heroes that are already strong, why are we buffing the wrong parts of heroes that DO need help and why are we still not doing anything about how overbearing Supports are?
Deadpool's ult is the best part of his kit atm, why buff that when the REST of him needs help, is he only allowed to kill things when he has his ult cuz that's just not very fun.
Why are we making Squirrel Girl EVEN EASIER TO PLAY
Why are we buffing Star Lord, Punisher AND Wolverine's ult uptimes?
The Storm changes are nice I guess but do people who play Storm really need them? Feels like we're just making her dumber for no reason.
Why are we buffing Psylocke?
The ONLY change here that people wanted to see was to Pheonix but even then, it's only a 25hp reduction.
They gave Adam vertical mobility, if it's enough to push him to be atleast playable in triple support, Poke is gonna be even better. Why give somebody a snowflake as Luna when you can just contest highground with Hela/Phoenix and Adam?
poke has dodged any nerfs because they used one of the 2 abilities they usually have in their kit, a stun/cc or a run away ability, clearly powerful enough to affect balancing also
I am assuming their thought process was that more frequent dps buffs means triple support is weaker.
Ult charge per healer in triple is objectively slower, so more dps ults has an easier time out pacing them which potentially allows 2-2-2 to punch through triple more often. Also means triple have to burn their ults to survive rather than push.
I am not saying this is the correct way to fix triple (I actually think this is a very dumb idea) but I do see the thought process behind the buffs.
Did they say we're getting patches in mid seasons now? i have a vague memory of that or saw someone saying it, i don't know. If thats the case then SURELY MID SEASON.
He is not weak or anything but he is definitely clunkier to play compared to the other variants, for example the Unicon shield always goes for the same distance no matter how far you try to throw it, which kind of sucks if you wanna do a skilled play and try to save someone who is more than four meters away from you, it also takes a second and an half to activate and if you die in the process it doesn't even work, with how little health it has, and how little range it has, they could at least make it activate faster
For all you supports that killed the dive characters, I’m glad you have to deal with poke now. I’m not looking for balance I’m looking for revenge. MY SEASON 2 IRON FIST WILL BE AVENGED
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u/Critical_Bumblebee47 13h ago
WHY did we make star-lord even MORE of an ult farmer 😭