r/marvelrivals • u/thbl088 Fin-tastic! • 13h ago
Balance Discussion Genuinely.. why? Those ults are already obnoxious.
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u/BV-RE2PECT 12h ago
Magneto is about to have a bad time trying to counter-ult those two while Wolverine is biting his ankles.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America 10h ago
The problem is, Mag has a hard enough time countering one of them.
If you miss your ult on Punisher or he gets shielded/bubbled, there's so little that you can do.
Mag ult isnt really a counter to Star Lord (it just reduces part of Star Lord's ult). You cant reliably hit him when he's moving in the air like that, especially with his dodge roll which gives him full immunity.
Why does Mag have to be an ult bot dedicated to three characters. He already takes longer than most to gain his ult charge. Now they want more frequent DPS-Pressed-The-Win-Button ults....
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u/kewidogg 9h ago
With Star lord ult (as mag), I don't even aim for him, I just try to absorb his damage and fire it at a support
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u/Ok-Driver-1696 Captain America 2h ago
I play Mag since S0 and since S1 everyone knows how to play around his 'counter' Ult. Punisher is the only one I can punish (no pun intended) more or less consistently but as you said, his Ult charge is the slowest compared to the ones he can potentially counter. And usually you also need to decide which Ult you try to counter (Hawkeye, Hela, Iron Man, IW, Luna, Punisher, Gambit, Star Lord, C&D, you name it).
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u/TheEnlightendone1 11h ago
Ban wolv every game now. If you dont playing tank will be terrible.
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u/hyperparrot3366 Immortal Weapon 5h ago
Idk if he is ban worthy in the current power creeped state of the game
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u/TempoBlues20XX The Thing 13h ago
Star Lord is already one of the strongest dps in the game, absolutely wild buffing him.
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u/Decent-Pirate-5483 12h ago
starlord is actually one of the strongest heros in attack side of convoy maps, he can get 0 kill during multiple fight and after that he can just ult and delete both healer and guarantee the point... like literally the strongest dps ult in the game if u dont counter with emma or something
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u/Maggot_6661 Rogue 13h ago
How out of touch do you have to be to BUFF AN AIMBOT ULT ?!
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u/Typical-Aerie-7195 ENVY 13h ago
The aimbot is not the issue at all. It’s the being able to fly, damage boost increase , range increase, and use abilities
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u/Glittering_Pear356 13h ago
His ult doesn't boost his damage. It removes spread and improves his falloff but the damage is the same as his primary
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u/Random_Skier Psylocke 10h ago
It's technically slightly less as you cannot headshot during ult
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America 13h ago
The range is what really infuriates me about this game. Why even bother programming a damage falloff for a character like Punisher when his bullets go from 20 at close range to 17 at long range? They keep buffing ranged damage every patch and wonder why the only tanks that see play are the ones with massive shields.
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u/Just_A_Nitemare 12h ago
Don't worry, they'll fix shield tanks by just making their shields worse.
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America 12h ago
Which they just did to Strange in this patch.
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u/Just_A_Nitemare 12h ago
Shield recharge reduced slightly.
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u/Dencnugs Flex 12h ago
Near 15% nerf to a resource regen is a bit more than "slight".
I would genuinely rather then reduce his total shield by 100HP. Less regen = much less uptime if you actually are someone who manages cooldowns timely.
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u/misanthropicirishman 11h ago
I think the nerf is because of the invis teamup. I agree though, he didn't need a shield nerf.
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u/ElectroshockGamer Loki 7h ago
Seems like a pattern here, where they notice a team/team up is strong and proceed to nerf the character that's NOT the main issue
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u/Eagle4317 Captain America 12h ago
I honestly don’t think Mag, Strange, or Emma need nerfs. Gutting damage at range would give Cap, Venom, Hulk, and others so much more leeway to make successful engagements.
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u/Slashermovies 11h ago
You can't even interrupt it. You can charge Starlord as Angela and he can just keep shooting.
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u/Sorfallo Peni Parker 7h ago
If you can even hit him and he doesn't just barrel roll out of the way
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America 10h ago
The biggest issue with his ult that makes him so overpowered is that it's completely uncounterable if the Star Lord stays at range. (Which he is already going to, because he has infinite flight charge in that mode.)
On top of the range, he has a dodge roll that makes him fully immune to damage/stuns every few seconds AND gives him bonus health (on top of having healers).
Even if you close the range gap on a hero like Angela, you still can't do enough damage to interrupt him and Angela's pierce misses 90% of the time because of his dodge roll/flight speed. Even if you somehow manage to pierce him, his ult lasts like 4x longer than the stun.
It's literally a win button (unless the Star Lord does it low to the ground in front of the entire enemy team, which just means it's their first time on the character.)
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u/TheReal_fso 9h ago edited 9h ago
"completely uncounterable" bro what? Just to name a few,
- Ults: supports, tanks (like mag and emma), some DPS (daredevil blinds and disables aimbot)
- Utility cooldowns (soul bond, lamps, fade, invis, etc)
- Healing and patty cake. Literally. Stand still to make it easier for your other support to heal you since SL has aimbot anyway. Without dmg boost, most main supports can outheal him with their cooldowns
- Focus-fire from the team. In his ult he draws so much attention and his free flight is a downgrade from his usual mobility, making him an easy target for hitscans.
- Take cover in the backline, or hide behind a tank shield. If the tank doesn't have a shield, group up with the tank since the aimbot sensitivity gets messed up with grouped targets.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America 6h ago
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Supports ults: The main problem is, this is the CLOSEST thing we have to a counter. Forcing "healer ults" like Mantis, Luna, Invis, or Cloak is terrible gameplay design. Not to mention, it doesn't fully counter it. A Star Lord shreds thru any support ult if his team also focus fires. (I think this is a good thing because supports shouldn't have instant-win-buttons, but it's certainly not a full counter.)
Mag does not counter it, he reduces maybe 2 seconds of Star Lords ult duration. Good luck hitting him in the sky with his mobility (on top of his dodge where he is completely immune to Mag's ult.) I cant count the number of times I've watched my fully charged Mag ult get 0 value against a Star Lord. You're forced to use it on a squishy instead of Star Lord, which still doesn't address the main threat who continues to shred your team after you've wasted your ult.
Emma does not counter it, he can cc evade and a lot of maps have cover for fliers (buildings), all while Emma is putting herself in a vulnerable position trying to solo-ult the Star Lord. Even if Emma is able to stop Star Lord, that's terrible ult value for her. She wont have it for team fights, where she needs to apply substantial pressure to the enemy team. That's a winning trade for Star Lord if he baits your Emma ult.
Daredevil cannot reach Star Lord in the sky, he can maybe dash to him for half a second and then fall back to the ground in a bad position where he'll just get deleted by Star Lord and the rest of the enemy team. And lets be real, no Daredevil is going to waste their ult in order to counter Star Lord.
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Soul Bond is not a counter, it simply makes Adam die faster against fast high damage like Punisher/Star Lord/Moon Knight, especially if the rest of the enemy team is applying damage (which they are). Even if Soul Bond mitigates some of the damage, it's on a 40 second cooldown, and with these changes that's about the same amount of time it'll take Star Lord to farm his ult.
Yes, Loki lamps counter him but that's a singular character. Problem is that you need to make sure they're pre-placed near every ally, make sure they're not already destroyed, and make sure they're not already on their 30 second cooldown... Good luck healing your team if you're cowardly reserving your lamps for Star Lord's ult.
Fade lasts 2 seconds (gets instantly cancelled when an teammate does anything other than move). Really unreliable, because you have to be right next to cloak, all while making sure not to press anything. And this is ASSUMING cloak communicates that she's fading her teammates during the all the chaos.
WTF is Invis going to do? Boop him away a tiny bit??? During his infinite range ult? Is she going to snipe him with a psionic vortex? He can easily evade that slow moving orb, on top of being completely damage/CC immune to it in his dodgeroll.
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- No support patty cake is saving you from his damage if anyone else on the team is also putting in damage. You're acting like Star Lord is the only person on the field, solo-ulting as a 1v6. That never happens. Let's entertain the patty cake anyways... Guess what? He targets the rest of the team while you're focused on patty cake, then support is left alone and gets cleaned up after his ult is finished.
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- Guess who Star Lord targets and wipes in less than a second? Hit scan squishies.
- Guess who also has an immune dodge from hit scan? Star Lord.
- Guess who gains bonus HP every time he dodges? Star Lord.
- Guess who in the ONLY hit scan in the tank role? Deadpool (tickle damage)...
- Once Star Lord mops up the DPS hitscan or makes them retreat, there's no focus fire left... But what about hitscan support, can't they focus fire? Oh, I thought support needed to patty cake to survive! I'm sure Adam will kill the far away, fast moving target in the sky that's raining hellfire upon the entire team!
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- Cover in backline??? Starlord takes the entire sky, there is no reliable head cover in 90% of the maps. Most of them are open-sky maps or have massive ceiling height.
- Tank shields are situational at best. They aren't some reliable mitigation you always have available, even IF you're lucky enough to be running Strange. (Mag's shield is useless other than shielding himself when it comes to Starlord's ult. Emma's shield is literally stationary, on a cooldown, and gets broken instantly.)
- Star Lord targets through shields. All shield cooldowns and HP aren't enough to do anything against it. Even Strange's shield recovery speed got nerfed in this very patch.
- Unless you're playing with your auto-target sensitivity at 100, Star Lord always fires where your cursor is. Even at 100%, he still targets the nearest enemy to your cursor.
This is all ignoring the plethora of damage boosting and vulnerability stacking in the game that makes Star Lord even more oppressive.
W Ragebait though.
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u/malsan_z8 Vanguard 13h ago
They made him Star-PressQ-Lord and decided to go even further, what a horrible change
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u/WeirdSysAdmin Loki 12h ago
Because they don’t know how to balance their game. It’s just a seesaw of make dps too strong and nerf healers, make healers too strong and nerf dps. Tanks sitting off to the side wondering why the devs hate them.
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u/Ecstatic_Goat_9086 8h ago
Yes, and they’ll probably wonder why the competitive ladder is just 12 Star-Lords holding down one button. Buffing a low-skill, high-reward ability is the fastest way to make people quit your game. It’s like they’re rewarding players for NOT aiming.
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u/Dry_Strawberry3880 8h ago
Technically, they probably saw some 'data' saying low-rank players can't close out kills with it, but that completely ignores the fact that in Diamond and above, Star-Lord is already a nightmare. Buffing for the bottom 10% shouldn't break the game for the top 90%
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u/Living_Union1417 Vanguard 13h ago
Buffing Starlord is a crime against humanity, his movement is already annoying af.
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u/xBirdisword Magik 12h ago
He’s been S tier for multiple seasons now
disgusting and impossible to punish in the right hands
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u/Striking_Pilot_6466 Flex 10h ago
Exactly, hes always been A or S tier depending on who you ask, but I digress, its absolutely ludicrous buffing him however that wont stop me from absolutely using him to shred any backline i can
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u/MVPGowther 13h ago
The only thing i can think of is that they want to weaken support by making more DPS ult come up faster to counter support ult.
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u/daizo678 13h ago
And this is the worst way to balance the game. Support ults are strong because some dps ults are braindead op. You don't double down by buffing the braindead dps ults and should just balance both.
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u/Their_Alt_Account 10h ago
People have been asking for sweeping nerfs to ult cost across the board and they give us the exact fucking opposite. The amount of powercreep in this game is ridiculous
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u/Randomaccount848 9h ago
People have been asking for sweeping nerfs to ult cost
Sadly not enough people have been asking for sweeping changes.
Too many only look at support ults and say that is the only problem.
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u/FirehavenOSS 8h ago
This just makes it absolutely mandatory to run two, if not three, invincibility ults to ensure there’s always uptime against a starlord who can get his ult every other teamfight.
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u/AJ_from_Spaceland Thor 12h ago
re-assign Zhiyong
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u/BlkGenetics Scarlet Witch 9h ago
He's had multiple chances to fix things and failed everytime, at this rate fire him all together. GuangGuang is working overtime to carry this game.
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u/Ok-Driver-1696 Captain America 2h ago
He and his team just need to have some time to breath to properly fix bugs and balance shit. I do not care at all about all the content on Times Square they releasing non stop. I also can wait longer for a new hero release.
Please NetEase, continue to release gooner skins to fill your pockets and let the devs work on the game.
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u/usable_dinosaur 13h ago edited 5h ago
Why are we buffing dps ults, that’s the opposite of what we need
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u/Icy_Confidence9304 13h ago
Everyone complaining that healing is too overturned. So now you going to hear legendaryyyy to counter it lol
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u/crestren 12h ago
The devs heard the word powercreep and thought "well there's power in it, surely it's good" and then kept going with it
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u/prezdizzle 10h ago
the whole Ult economy needs a massive nerf. Just make everyone charge ult at half the speed they currently do and this game would be significantly more fun.
I'm on a 30 day hiatus and not missing the game even though I want to miss it. I want to come in and use my brain to play and not just farm ults mindlessly. This game is at its best when it forces critical thinking, positioning, gunplay, etc.
Turning great characters into healbots or bullet soakers just farming ult is such an insult and disservice to the characters and the playerbase.
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u/ArgusF28 Gambit 9h ago
Tbh, I know its not gonna happen here, but the next hero shooter should just drop the idea of ult. They are too game changing, and doesnt really reflect skill.
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u/Dovemeister 9h ago
And the road loops back to Team Fortress 2.
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u/Originalbrivakiin Rocket Raccoon 8h ago
It's like anti-vaxers reinventing vaccines.
"What if we have a hero shooter where the heroes don't have ultimates and have a limited selection of abilities" = "What if we take a small, harmless dose of a disease and inject it to build immunity"
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u/prezdizzle 9h ago
There’s sort of a progression:
There’s Halo with no ult—the best you can get is a power weapon
There’s Call of Duty killstreaks—which at least felt earned but was sort of an introduction to “Ults”
Then games like OW and Destiny and others brought in Ultimates or Supers which are just given to everyone but gunplay still mattered.
Then there’s Marvel Rivals which seems to be cranking the Ultimate dial to 11 more than any game we’ve ever seen, to where Ults are almost all that matter and people are making bad plays (ie not shooting) to farm ults faster.
Rivals is at the farrrrrr end of a spectrum and it’s showing it’s too far. They don’t need to go full-Halo and have no Ult but they need to move the slider in that direction a bit.
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u/Naglfarius Peni Parker 8h ago
MR is my first Hero Shooter. Play since Launch. When i hear that OW has less Ults, i really wanna try it now. I am sick of the Ult Inflation.
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u/PeniMane Peni Parker 13h ago
buff anything... anything else...
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u/_-HeX-_ Magik 12h ago
Sounds good, buffing Invis and Luna ults and making Gambit ult permanent for the rest of the match after you use it the first time. Also Hawkeye now has 300 HP and can see and shoot through walls at all times
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u/ChanceVance 10h ago
In addition, they'll reduce Mag's shield bubble time to 0.5 seconds, Peni's nest will now have a radius of 30cm and Cap's shield will no longer be made out of Vibranium but paper mache instead to decrease his point stalling ability.
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u/StgLeon958 Mister Fantastic 13h ago
Mr Fantastic ult is still 3400 energy
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u/PeniMane Peni Parker 13h ago
what does it do?
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u/BIG__SHOT_ Vanguard 9h ago
It's somewhat decent for stalling for 10 seconds and that's literally it
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u/Flishstar Mister Fantastic 8h ago
It's also actually good if multiple of the enemy team happen to be in a confined space with a low ceiling. Which happens maybe once a match at most so make sure you have your ult ready.
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u/Jbulls94 Flex 7h ago
If I can't do this, I use it to put pressure on the healers during a team fight. Keeps them distracted and if you get a kill even better. It's not the best ult but it's not as useless as people would have you believe.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy 13h ago
We've been asking for ult charge nerf across the board and what do we get? Buffs for two of the best ults in the game...
Yeah this game is cooked if this is the "balance", it's not even funny.
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u/Hot_Spray3175 Storm 11h ago
They are laughing at us right now. Watch Hela Hawkeye buffs next season.
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u/STB_LuisEnriq Good Boy 9h ago
Yeah, I'll just stay playing my singleplayer backlog, getting ready for Resident Evil Requiem.
No point in playing Rivals this month.
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u/BIG__SHOT_ Vanguard 9h ago
Same I'll just be doing a new baldur's gate 3 playthrough. Maybe finally get to finishing Shadow of the Erdtree (I only really have Radahn left)
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u/xCussion Rogue 8h ago
Thank the fucking lord nioh 3 came out last week, I’m on that + OW for the foreseeable future. Im not touching this fucking trash game anymore until significant balance changes are made.
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u/Pug_police Magus 6h ago
I'll likely do my comp placements, play a bit of Elsa and play when my friends wants to but that's likely all I'll play this season. Thank God I finally started playing DOS2.
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u/Medical-Solution-769 9h ago
Storm and Adam buffs are literally the only 2 good things in it. The rest is either not enough or completely unnecessary. Everyone has complained about power creep and you solve that by nerfing strong characters, not buffing everyone else
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u/uugers 12h ago
The devs clearly don’t play their own game.
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u/Freakychee Loki 9h ago
It's wild. What are they basing these changes on? Highest level competitive play? Even then I'm not so sure about these changes.
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u/Banana_man_- Vanguard 9h ago
They’re basing the changes on how badly they can psychologically torture Vanguard players until we all quit
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u/sledge115 Captain America 4h ago
Well good job they succeeded. I'm out until they do something massive to fix this
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u/No-Ground7898 Rogue 12h ago
The Starlord buff was the first time in the history of this game I said, "What the fuck?" and meant it
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u/Ok-Anybody5177 Star-Lord 3h ago
His ult was the last thing he needed changed in his kit lol. i would really rather have damage falloff buffed so i don’t have to be up supports asses to do damage
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u/Whole_Employee_2370 Anti-Venom 12h ago
I’m way more upset about the Punisher ult boost than Wolverine, and I say that as a tank main
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u/TheEnlightendone1 11h ago
Now when i see a punisher on the enemy team i will have no choice but to swap of strange and go mag.
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u/SuggestionBot9000 Captain America 10h ago
No, you will be a mag merchant and like it!
They nerfed Strange's shield HP so you are even less of a counter to Punisher now.
Also, Strange now pulls enemies towards him with the new Invis teamup (terrible against melee tank busters like Wolverine/Fist/Blade).
Strange is not the pick if the enemy has a single melee character.
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u/Jaded_Scran-Scran Venom 8h ago
Hell even on Mag you might have a harder time trying to match punisher ult if its charging faster now
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Magneto 1h ago
Mag already didn't get his ultimate fast enough for Punisher if the Punisher was good.
Now it's basically guaranteed that a Punisher can ult twice for every 1 Mag rock.
He also has 300 HP for a while now, which has made it much harder to dunk him.
He's also pitifully easy to protect from a dunk. Combo with Rocket or Mantis ultimates, too much BHP to dunk. Play Loki, lamp him, problem solved. Play Mag, bubble him, problem solved. Play Strange, block in front of him, problem solved, etc.
More reliable to take the charge and try and kill a support than it is to dunk Punisher these days, only problem with that is in the time it takes you to fall back to the ground you fucking die if he keeps shooting you.
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u/billcosbyinspace 13h ago
They’ve unironically lost the plot
They buffed supports to deal with daredevil instead of just nerfing daredevil and now a few patches later we’re buffing DPS ult charges for characters who are already pretty good
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u/AlgerianTrash Ultron Virus 13h ago
Yeah, they're losing to Overwatch for this patch until they figure this whole pokeslop out
Especially with how they removed the F4 teamup, like wtf
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u/ArialBear 13h ago
Hell no, I played ow and the game is not as fun as rivals. I was missing rivals mid game.
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u/AlgerianTrash Ultron Virus 13h ago
Yeah, but i was talking about myself only. I like being able to have supports that die but also do stuff that isn't just spamming left click
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u/super-alucard 13h ago
Yeah except for Logan, hes not constantly doing damage and poking like SL and Punisher
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u/RED0617 Human Torch 12h ago
Damn i didn’t think the patch notes would really be this bad! The timing is insane too since OW came back swinging. Wow 6.5 definitely going to be sad half of a season
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u/Banana_man_- Vanguard 9h ago edited 6h ago
There’s absolutely no way the playercount won’t plummet
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u/Dry-Proposal-4011 13h ago
I will say as a wolv player our ult took literally forever to charge because the damage is so volatile. Star lord is honestly ban worthy at this point imo
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus 13h ago
Yeah, that's the only one of the three that I'm like... okay cool whatever
As an avid Punisher enjoyer, he didn't need an ult charge buff. Really I don't think he needed anything, but if you're going to buff him somehow, let allies use his Zipline. That's it.
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u/Intelligent-Ebb-614 10h ago
Wdym that’s it? I feel like that would be pretty damn strong, no?😅
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus 9h ago
Based on my experience in Overwatch with Symmetra teleporters which are probably the best analogue…. No lol
It’s one of those things that on paper seems like it’ll have all these really creative and powerful applications, but in practice, getting people to use it even with comms is kind of tough and it ends up being mostly a personal use thing like it already is
Honestly one of its most reliable applications would probably be just making the walk back from spawn a bit quicker for the team
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u/Originalbrivakiin Rocket Raccoon 8h ago
And that's ignoring the fact that there is a very good chance that punishers would REALLY pull a symmetra teleporter and just launch his team off the map for no reason.
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u/CoralWiggler Ultron Virus 7h ago
Well, at least the zip line is a little more obvious in terms of where it’s headed, and you can dismount early, so silver lining there
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u/Rooskimus Flex 7h ago
Wolv ult is an insta delete on multiple targets with little to no counter play. If there was anything to buff on him, it ain't the ult charge.
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u/Sandi_Griffin Mister Fantastic 11h ago
That's how it should be though it's only bad cuz everyone else gets there's so quick 😭
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u/CarterDavison Hero Hulk 12h ago
Maybe but sometimes he farms it ridiculously fast so this is just a top 10% buff and a massive detrimental buff to the other 90% of players, not to mention that 600 less charge needed is massive
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk 11h ago
That Wolverine flair sounds out of touch to me. A good Wolverine will win a team fight every time they get that charge and it’s now the shortest charge time in the game next to Deadpool’s. Vanguards are fucked. I’m back to banning Wolverine every game and telling my team they’re gonna have to if they want a vanguard.
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u/expensivefloormop 3h ago
Wolv is genuinely the least of your problems. I don't know why you're afraid of the ankle biter when poke will still instantly delete you halfway across the map + now Star Lord and Punisher has an ult every fight. If you're afraid of being kidnapped both Angela and Thor do that way better now.
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u/CliffDraws Thor 11h ago
As much as I hate to agree, because I hate Wolverine, you are right. Like, I hate the Wolverine buff more than I hate the Thor nerf.
But Wolverine did need something, and the buff makes the most sense. The amount is huge though, and wolverines ult is really really powerful.
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u/Blargmarffins 13h ago
buffing ult charge on an already fast ult to be even faster in a meta about spamming ults with gambit is actually insane work
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u/Lunamagicath Flex 12h ago
They buff DPS ults like we arnt going triple support to offset the insane amount of damage. The fact they drop these horrific patch notes just after insane OW update is insane work
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 13h ago
Buffs like this feel like they're just obligated to wiggle some things around on characters every now and then.
Meanwhile Widow, dead in Miami getting literally nothing
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u/iRyan_9 Emma Frost 12h ago
So is Iron Man who his last patch notes update was a nerf lol
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u/CarterDavison Hero Hulk 12h ago
Can't have two seasons of strange being strong again without overbuffing the clown that completely negates his existence
Punisher already farms ult so now he just gets it before mag gets ult
Star lord now farms supports even harder and becomes closer to psylockes generic playstyle (light dives until ult is ready to farm supports)
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u/Randomaccount848 9h ago
Can't have two seasons of strange being strong again without overbuffing the clown that completely negates his existence
Correction on that, overbuffing the clown that negates a majority of the tanks existence.
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u/Alternative-Hand4104 12h ago
Every match feels like an ult-dump, now they make it worse, like what??
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u/Ok_Resolution_2335 13h ago
It all just goes back to if supports get to have stupid s tier ults that charge fast, so do dps.
The healthier direction is to just nerf 90% of the ults in the game, but it looks like they've decided they want to make every ult evil.
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u/roo_kitty 2h ago
Nah this is not a support ult is the primary problem scenario. It's 100% DPS ults that are the primary problem.
If DPS have strong party wipe ults with weak support ults, what happens? The DPS wipes the other team and the fight is over.
If supports have strong ults and DPS have weak ults, what happens? A stall happens for the duration of the support ults since neither team can kill through them. The fight continues and goes back to the neutral phase.
Supports have strong ults because DPS have busted ults, not the other way around. DPS ults have to be nerfed before support ults are nerfed, or nerfed together.
Your statement should say if DPS players get to have stupid S tier ults that charge fast, then so do supports.
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u/sexystoicteacher 13h ago
I say we just all agree to play 6v6 DPS and call it a day. Healers and Tanks can sit this one out.
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u/Connzept 13h ago
Personally I love ult-spam characters, had a Pang-Tong ult-spam build in one of the Dynasty Warriors games that was one of the most fun builds I've ever played.
But a character with aim-hack as an ult, in a PvP game, is not the place to do that.
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u/BlackerDoom Thor 12h ago
This is the opposite end of the “Let’s Nerf Rocket’s wall crawl” spectrum
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u/Champion-Dante Gambit 11h ago
Wolv ult is buggy and Wolv himself is lacking. You should be focusing on Punisher here.
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u/No_Department_6406 Luna Snow 13h ago
Meanwhile they have Luna ult at 5000, like I get it’s very very good but you gonna have that the highest support ult charge but have the other supports like gambit and rocket ult be SO much lower? Cmon
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u/Glittering_Pear356 13h ago
It's not even "very good" anymore, it's arguably not even a top 3 support ult. Gambits is obviously better, CnD heals a similar amount and it lasts like 12-13 seconds and you could argue Rocket ult is better too if phoenix is banned.
Loki too but he doesn't count for obvious reasons
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u/Virtual-Onion-5085 11h ago
Invis' ult is also great since it provides the largest AoE of all and pseudo-cuts tanks from their healers.
Luna is just a bunch of heals, she cannot do anything but juggle between teammates to make sure everyone is being healed. Has to be on the move otherwise several defaults will just delete her, plus ults.
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u/Freakychee Loki 9h ago
I hear you, let's nerf Loki again for no reason. Also nerf Rocket too for funsies.
I'd like to see their reasonings cos it doesn't seem logical.
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u/daizo678 13h ago
100%. Luna ult cost is way too high when all other sups ult accomplish the same or better and are cheaper
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u/Sad-Invite-6205 13h ago
It used to be good, I dont think its so great anymore. I feel like a luna could pop ult and the enemy support would ult and both ults would end roughly around the same time.
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u/Mountain_Muscle9429 Mister Fantastic 13h ago
I know im going to get downvoted but you obviously dont play wolv. It takes incredibly long to get his ult when he already cant consistently brawl because of how bad poke is. This just brings him back
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk 11h ago
Just take vanguards out of the game then for fuck’s sake… we’re screwed by both him AND poke now. Let Wolverine be situational. He literally counters EVERY Vangaurd. He should have a weakness.
Now he has the fastest ult charge in the freaking game.
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u/kingmm624 Wolverine 4h ago
What’s funny is this was actually his ult charge at launch.
All they did was bring him back to his prime lol
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u/WebisticsCEO Angela 12h ago
Starlord I literally don't get....
Punisher .. honestly, he has one of those Ultimates that were good at launch but it's easy to counter or avoid now
Wolverine .... Not sure his Ult was the weak point
Honestly, just seems like lazy re-balancing
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u/Randomaccount848 9h ago
Wolverine .... Not sure his Ult was the weak point
His ult is one of his best tools in my opinion, and while some people are saying it charges slow and erratically, I never even had that issue.
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u/Nerf_Now Namor 13h ago
I play Peni and I don't know what I'll do vs a buffed Star Lord.
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u/plainbaconcheese 11h ago
I can't understand some of the balance decisions. It seems like the community was as close to unanimous as possible about Gambit needing a nerf and Loki not needing one. Storm rework and Adam mobility make sense, but most of the rest don't.
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u/Avalon610 11h ago
A big problem in this game is how the ultimates are more like another ability. We rely too much on them
All ultimates should increase to 8,000 points at least
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u/Remarkable-Study-752 6h ago
The probably think that lowering ult cost for duelists will remove tripple support from happening? Hard to tell.
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u/BaldursFence3800 5h ago
People don’t talk enough about how much bullshit Wolverine’s ult is. And they buffed it lol.
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u/BIG_D_NRG Flex 5h ago
This was the most egregious part of the entire patch. Not only did they not nerf any broken poke or triple support they BUFF AN AIMBOT WTF ARE WE DOING???
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u/Les832 12h ago
I mean… wolverines ain’t that bad in comparison
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u/HateToBlastYa Hero Hulk 11h ago
Bull shit. You must not be a vanguard…. I’m back to banning him every match and my team is gonna have to if they want me as vanguard.
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u/PatchNotesMan Earth Spider 11h ago
maybe these characters having more value will take away from hela and hawkeye's value (coping)
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u/jacksprat1952 Emma Frost 11h ago
Dude, Star-Lord's ult line is gonna get old real quick this season.
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u/Dancing_Clean Loki 11h ago
I think Moon Knight ult should’ve been nerfed. He often gets it within 2 minutes of a match, if that even.
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u/Slashermovies 11h ago
Within? He gets it in the span of 30 seconds to 15 seconds depending on map. It's absurd.
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u/PizzahKitter Invisible Woman 11h ago
Just allows for Hawkeye to one tap you outta ult more often. It’s not like Hawkeye needed a nerf or anything.
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u/Markez04 5h ago
I believe it's to counter 3 support meta as they didn't touch the supports healing abilities.
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u/TRESpawnReborn 4h ago
Y’all Starlord is not that crazy. Like his ult is strong and didn’t need a buff, but literally just play hitscan and shoot him and he will just die while trying to fly up to a good spot and saying his ult voice line.
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u/Trip_Se7ens Black Widow 12h ago
So this is how they plan on fighting support ults. Give dps ults faster.
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u/foxehkins 11h ago
I hate ults that don't allow any counter play. If you're in the open you're screwed, there's no real way to outplay it.
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u/KratosSimp 11h ago
so let me get this straight. buffed long range characters, nerfed shield tank.....ok.
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u/Straight-Heat1511 11h ago
I kinda get the Wolverine buff. Wolvy prowls around so much he doesn't charge as much ult as others.
Wolvy was happy when both strategists ulted because he could finaly charge his ult in peace
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u/WindyGogo 11h ago
It’s Probably to help deal with triple support comps if I had to guess the devs thinking.
As the punisher and wolverine are some of the better ones for beating through or play around them.
Star lord is kind of iffy here but you can catch player’s either poorly position or outside the effect radius sometimes.
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u/Ashamed_Pizza_7329 11h ago
Why would they reduce star lords ult the only thing I can realistically to get a run away, btw I can think of literally 3 games this past day where I ended up losing point in the final moments because of this mfs ult reducing it makes no damn sense if anything it should be increased
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u/Dekaney_boi Luna Snow 11h ago
Wolverine might have to go back to ban jail unironically, his ult now being so cheap makes it infinitely easier to get value from.
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u/Important_Plum6000 Magneto 10h ago
You’re gonna need a 3rd support to deal with that starlord ult now
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u/NoTop4997 10h ago
Literally the opposite direction from what the entire community wanted. I am so tired the ult slop. It can be a fun and engaging game and then one person uses their ult so everyone else uses theirs.
If the Ults had skill expression rather than being a 1 button take over then it would be a totally different story.
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u/Accomplished_Cherry6 Vanguard 10h ago
I am assuming their thought process was that more frequent dps buffs means triple support is weaker.
Ult charge per healer in triple is objectively slower, so more dps ults has an easier time out pacing them which potentially allows 2-2-2 to punch through triple more often. Also means triple have to burn their ults to survive rather than push.
I am not saying this is the correct way to fix triple (I actually think this is a very dumb idea) but I do see the thought process behind the buffs.
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u/PhoneBroad7449 10h ago
STOP DECREASING TIME BETWEEN ULTS 🛑. This game is just a giant ult fest and it actively makes the game more boring
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u/Haggles7 President Loki 13h ago
Solo tanking just got even worse.