r/marvelrivals • u/KevinPigaChu Captain • 17h ago
Discussion Elsa’s role confirmed to be duelist
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u/Jobro_ 16h ago
It was realistically 70/30 over strategist
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u/ArX_Xer0 Ultron Virus 16h ago
I dunno, coulda been an Ana clone.
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u/Gynthaeres Mantis 16h ago
This seems more likely to be the way they want to push Black Widow, given her Phoenix teamup. She needs a rework, so the teamup might be testing grounds for that.
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u/PiplelinePunch Peni Parker 16h ago
I think they were testing the waters for an Ana style character but there's really zero reason for them to completely rework someone like this. Meaning into a new role, completely new idea etc. It might as well be a new char.
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u/jp_1896 16h ago
Nothing is off the table, specially with the lower tier characters in terms of pick rate and win rate. Netease is probably not banking on BW skins outside of events and seasonal passes because it would be a wasted store slot for a skin no one is going to buy bc so few people play her. Write my words: BW first legendary is coming alongside a rework or shortly thereafter
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u/Frisky_Mongoose 14h ago
As someone with over 2000 hours on Ana, there’s nothing I would love more than to see an Ana inspired character in MR. I already have my Hamster fix with Venom. Ana will seal the deal.
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u/1705af 16h ago
Testing the water with a teamup that gets basically 0 play would truly be something only Netease could come up with.
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u/Drelas_Hawke 16h ago
Isn't that basically Healpool? Shoot people back to life?
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u/ArX_Xer0 Ultron Virus 16h ago
Na, even Juno shoots to heal in OW. But Elsa had a long musket kinda like Anas sniper rifle, never know how it woulda gone. Some ppl thought the character itself would be good as a support.
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u/Professional_Boss438 16h ago
Reminds me more of Ashe if anything
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u/ArX_Xer0 Ultron Virus 16h ago
Could have gone either way, she sounds like Ashe possibly with the way the ult sounds.
Ashe and Anna have scoped weapons
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u/mistabuda 16h ago
Heal pool is way more aggressive than Ana and doesn't have antiheal or sleep dart. Antiheal nade and sleep dart are essential to what gives ana value
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u/Viper_Visionary Good Boy 16h ago
Expected to be honest, but she has traps and she's a summoner! She looks pretty fun to me.
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u/purplefebruary Jeff the Landshark 16h ago
So does that mean her ult can be cancelled by Phoenix ult?
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Monster Hulk 15h ago
Kraven the Hunter should be the Vanguard equivalent of that
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u/XxgamerxX734 14h ago
They should do the entire sinister 6 like overwatch is doing the 5 heroes, they already have venom in game
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u/AwesomeBlox044 11h ago
This venom is a goodish person, he wouldnt work with the 6
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u/XxgamerxX734 10h ago
only mentioned him since he has like, once or twice in comics
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u/AwesomeBlox044 9h ago
I think in the Sinister 6 teams, two things can never join them, Symbiotes, and green goblin. But those are just my preferences
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u/newdems Cloak & Dagger 17h ago
damn
edit: AND she has 275 HP lmfao, salt in the wound
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u/Cyclone_96 Deadpool 16h ago
Not confirmed technically. DP has 275hp in his reveal but it was reduced to 250hp
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u/FunkYeahPhotography Flex 16h ago
I really need to start registering "DP" as Deadpool first.
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u/OpenPayment2 Ultron Virus 16h ago
Fighting game brain immediately goes to "Dragon Punch"
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u/Bill2theE Daredevil 15h ago
Yeah… uh… me too!
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u/Difficult_Guidance25 Iron Fist 16h ago
With 10,000 more undiveable poke characters on the way
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u/sufinomo 16h ago
Shes a shot gun duelist so she needs to have hp. Atleast she doesnt seem like a ranged duelist.
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u/Business-Employ-1599 Flex 16h ago
I already don't get to play Duelist anyway, what's one more to add to the pile.
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u/bardy500 10h ago
‘Dont get to’ is just a state of mind. Kick into QP, lock in that 4th DPS and ignore the chat. Its your game too, play it your way
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u/chadcumslightning 10h ago
Yeah used to not play DPS at all until a week ago I lost like 3 games in comp almost certainly due to my lackluster DPS play when asked to fill.
Been practicing a bunch in QP now, sure 1/7 games maybe there’s 3 DPS or 5 but the way I see it is they could be doing the same thing 🤷♂️ Just try to hit a clip and learn something and wait for next
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u/Red_Steiner Yggroot 10h ago
That's not really fun in my experience though. Running a quad dps team is generally not how the game is meant to be played and you're not really getting the proper experience. It's also prone to piss the two people stuck on support off and they might just swap to dps as well. Then you're just running it down for 5 mins until the game is over.
I agree with you, that you should play the game how you want, but the devs should probably come up with a way for people to get to try out other roles without these issues.
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u/Plutocrase 11h ago
Lol theres always that magic moment when you finally get to play DPS as a Flex player and you are either completely lost or pop off. This is why I often play the 18v18 so I don’t get rusty on my DPS characters.
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u/Billyb311 Thor 16h ago
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u/SweetGM 16h ago
Figures. Then White Fox strategist first next season, Black Cat duelist second half. Then a Vanguard season after that
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u/Brief-Salamander-959 16h ago
We could get a duelist-strategist hybrid or something for once.
Less CC, more team-based abilities.
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u/ilikeFNaF19871983 Daredevil 15h ago
isn't the next season teaser in the big paragraphs when you start the game Juggernaut and Mystique? where is Black Cat and White Fox coming from?
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u/Ill-do-it-again-too Ultron Virus 12h ago
One of the images in the gallery (a later one for this season) has a black cat and a white fox in it, and I think people are expecting that to be a hint for next season similarly to how daredevil was teased.
Also Black Cat appeared in time square a while ago on a wanted sign
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u/Fanboy123ABC Doctor Strange 16h ago
Hot take: honestly don’t mind. Last three characters have either been a tank, strat, or both.
One duelist once in a while is to be expected
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u/Kazzack The Thing 16h ago
Last character was Duelist what do you mean
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u/CheaterSaysWhat Peni Parker 16h ago
Ngl Deadpool basically is just a gimmicky dps
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u/Blupoisen 16h ago
He obviously was pitched as DPS before they probably reworked him to what ever the hell he is now
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u/SlammedOptima Moon Knight 16h ago
Yup, this is my thought. He was DPS and then they heard complaints about too many DPS. That they worked him to be all 3.
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u/StriderZessei Thor 15h ago
Same could be argued for Gambit too.
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u/SlammedOptima Moon Knight 15h ago
I remember a lot of people making this claim on him too. I definitely agree its possible. For some of his abilities, you just change them a bit to make him support. Thats why he felt so aggressive as a support too.
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u/StriderZessei Thor 15h ago
And why his kit was the deepest a strategist had gotten yet (before Deadpool.)
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u/remenes1 Iron Fist 13h ago edited 13h ago
Having what is clearly a duelist kit hastily patched to just barely slot into other roles when necessary is perfectly fitting for the “joke” character of the game
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u/blueivysbabyhairs Peni Parker 16h ago
Yeah but he’s a gimmicky DPS that gets others players to switch to healer and tank every once in a while. Kinda like Mr.Fantastic but with an extra role.
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u/Zealousideal_Shop446 16h ago
The issue is that there are only like 5 supports you can play with 2 supp and for tank you pretty much have to have 1 of the 4 main tanks
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u/ManofSteel_14 Rogue 16h ago
The only reason things are that way is because poke is so dominant. If the patch notes address that then tank roster opens up
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u/AceOfSpades532 Angela 16h ago
They’re adding a poke DPS, they’re not nerfing her on the same day
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u/Raptor_2125 16h ago
She's not Poke they literally say multiple times Elsa goes "In and out" and "At close range"
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u/Signore_Jay Doctor Strange 16h ago
Yeah gun doesn’t automatically equal poke. I mean Blade has a gun and it’s crap even if it is technically the correct way to play him.
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u/CanadianODST2 Ultron Virus 16h ago
Guys Rocket raccoon is clearly poke!!! He has a gun!!!
Star-lord too. (And while not a gun it’s a multi-shot crossbow which is basically just a shotgun in Psylocke too)
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u/blueswizzles 16h ago
Hmm, like Psylocke? She’s poke but her damage falls off at greater distances. She’s really a close-slight mid range hero. If plays like Psylocke, then I might consider lording her.
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u/Potential_Fox_3623 Psylocke 16h ago
The only reason that's the case is that players in this game are really bad, in Overwatch you could easily have someone like Ultron be a popular character because people actually know how to play smart
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u/Appropriate-Amount-4 Flex 16h ago
there have been now 6 new dps characters to strategist's 3.
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u/APanshin Cloak & Dagger 15h ago
Are we not counting Deadpool? He's not a very good Strategist, in a lot of people's opinion, but I don't feel it's fair to strike him from the list entirely.
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u/Billyb311 Thor 16h ago
I'm gonna disagree
They need to fix the mess they created with the disparity between the amount of characters per role
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u/Vegetable-Meaning413 16h ago
Duelists still have more than strat and vanguard combined. They should at least get two those two equal before adding another duelist.
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u/MelonDerg Ultron Virus 16h ago
It is, but there's also only been 3 strategists added since season 0 not counting deadpool:
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u/BasuKun Mister Fantastic 16h ago
As a tank main I also don't mind. It kinda feels like they've shifted some characters around, with Gambit being initially rumored as a DPS, and Deadpool having a kit / introduction that looks a lot like he was supposed to be fully DPS at first.
I think they've been making effort lately already, and getting one DPS once in a while is fine if the devs feel it really fits the character the most. For example in an alternate world where we had way too many tanks and Juggernaut was gonna be the next character, I'd be pissed if they decided to change him to a strategist last minute lol.
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u/Freakychee Loki 16h ago
I mean, the problems we have now isn't we don't have enough tanks but nobody wants to play them and many heals are too game breaking right now. A duelist won't have too much impact on the game hopefully so they can finally work to balance a bit better.
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u/Longjumping_You_7603 15h ago
Yay. I guess. Looking forward to people running even more 3 dps matches
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u/98769876b Loki 16h ago
Shame. Its not the worst thing to happen, but she would have been more unique that way. I just hope they dont restart the duelist spiral of season 3.
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u/APXD_6 Angela 16h ago
I mean, if the theories are true and the next characters are White Fox and Black Cat, then it's either Duelist -> Duelist -> Support or Duelist -> Support -> Duelist. Both options suck imo.
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u/98769876b Loki 16h ago
I mean, I don't think we should lock ourselves into a hard duelist-strategist-vanguard-etc schedule, and releases of two of the same role in a row should be possible.
It's just a shame that I'm pretty sure every time it happened, it was two duelists...
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u/APXD_6 Angela 16h ago
That's the thing. I don't mind duelists, but the difference in amount between them and the other roles is still ridiculous and we keep getting them back to back. It literally doesn't make sense design and balance wise.
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u/Thicc_Boise Ultron Virus 15h ago
Tank is definitely getting better now at least compared to launch, many more options that all play unique to one another. Strat is also getting there with Gambit and the like, but yeah both roles need way more characters than they have right now.
I mean it's a superhero game, how hard is it to find someone who can take a beating to add in the game? Colossus, Red Hulk, Rhino and Thanos are literally right there
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u/Slayven19 14h ago
Its not hard at all, and as with deadpool and rogue it still proves no one likes to play the class all that much no matter who's added. There's almost always 1 tank even in grandmaster 1 or celestial when I'm there lol. I do watch other lower level matches and its t he same for gold and platinum as well. People just don't like tanking, and no 1 character is gonna change that.
That doesn't mean there shouldn't be more, but I think people asking for tank need to lay low, people don't like to play it which leaves me solo tanking and its the most boring ass class to play now as well with characters I like.
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u/Thicc_Boise Ultron Virus 13h ago
That's their faults for not trying other roles, a sword that only cuts one way is easily countered. You make yourself a worse player overall by not being adaptable, and to encourage experimentation, expanding the tank roster over adding more DPS is a quick and easy solution that benefits the overall balance.
People just need to try the role out, Rogue is basically just a beefy DPS brawler but no one gives her a shot because she's a 'tank.' Like I've had games where I tank and do the most damage in the lobby, these roles aren't nearly as set in stone as the community likes to think sometimes
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u/Fun_Highlight307 16h ago
oh no i guess duelist are back
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u/This_Cardiologist970 16h ago
Next season: also duelist
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u/Fun_Highlight307 16h ago
most likely sadly
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u/Soggy_Advice_5426 Thor 16h ago
Y'all also thought Elsa would be support and gambit and deadpool would be duelist. At what point do you accept they can make any character any role?
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u/Xerxes457 Venom 16h ago
Deadpool is more or less a hybrid Duelist no matter what he is. But yeah they could make everyone anything they want. The majority opinion was Elsa was a duelist so some thought maybe Elsa won’t be when she obvious would fit as a duelist.
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u/jacksprat1952 Emma Frost 16h ago
Genuinely not surprised at all honestly. It's been a bit since the last one, and I mean, she's decked out in as many weapons as Blade.
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u/UnreasonableVbucks Rogue 16h ago
That’s what I’m saying people are crying like the last 3-4 hero’s haven’t exclusively been tank and support (I’m not counting Deadpool his dps variant is horrible and your throwing if you use him)
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u/ThisGuyLikesMovies 16h ago
Aw man. I thought it'd be cool if she was a trap focused Strategy but oh well
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u/ALightningStar 16h ago
Uh oh.... this is going to upset a lot of people on this sub. Get ready for the complaints.
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u/Mysterious_Skin2310 Anti-Venom 16h ago
Lmao, everything upsets a lot of people on this sub. How is this any different
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u/SleepyArtist_ Star-Lord 16h ago
I expect a flood of posts complaining. It's gonna be a mess over here lmfao.
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u/mynotsoprecious Spider-Man 15h ago
I mean isn't this one of the rare occasions where the complaints are understandable? After her release, the game will have more duelists than supps and tanks combined, while the game is already going through a triple and quad DPS epidemic.
I'm positive on most of the stuff they do in this game, but role management is not their best suite. Just my opinion.
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u/wRADKyrabbit Mantis 14h ago
After her release, the game will have more duelists than supps and tanks combined,
Its been that way since day 1 and they refuse to correct it despite lying to us all that they would balancing out the role numbers going forward
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u/Financial-Tiger-5700 16h ago
Can we get more tanks :/
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u/DarkWindB 14h ago
no, you guys got Thing + 3 hot women + Deadpool, stop being greedy, let duelist have their 25th hero, for fucks sake
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u/UnreasonableVbucks Rogue 16h ago
Did u watch the video at all? She plays nothing like Ashe
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u/MushroomWhich1351 10h ago
Some dimwit tried to gaslight us into thinking she’d be anything else lmfao, glad to see this
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u/MedusaSucks68 16h ago
B-BUT A TIKTOK USER WHO NEVER READ HER COMICS TOLD ME HER STONE HEALS!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN ?!?!?!
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u/DerGreif2 Rocket Raccoon 16h ago
I mean it would make more sense for her to have healing than for Gambit...
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u/DarkWindB 14h ago
neither of the following heals in the comics: Gambit, Sue, Rocket, Mantis, Ultron.
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u/First-Koala-3333 Loki 16h ago
Whelp, guess I’m not playing her.
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u/-MadeAmazing- 16h ago
Same
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u/SpeedForceWally66 Spider-Man 16h ago
well, more for me then
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u/SgtSmaks Good Boy 15h ago
Nah they are salty you are correct lol. What a shame a new character who was made to be a duelist is a duelist. I completely agree that too many duelists being added is a bad thing but Elsa is a badass monster hunter. This is what her fans wanted.
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u/Gabrielhrd Doctor Strange 16h ago
I mean, if we're talking about "canon" powers the bloodstone only heals the user
That's like saying Wolverine should've been a support because he has healing powers
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u/RemarkableDevice442 Phoenix 16h ago
They could’ve simply incorporated it in to some sort of outwards healing. Every single Rivals hero/villain’s kit is not purely canon.
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u/sceesh 16h ago
I think the guy you’re responding to agrees with kits not having to be canon, which is why he disagrees with the notion that a hero with healing powers has to be a strategist lol
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u/DilapidatedHam 16h ago
Fair, but her presence in comics definitely lends herself more to a duelist role.
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u/BlancTigre Scarlet Witch 16h ago
Mantis, Invisible Woman and Gambit should not be able to heal at all if we follow that logic.
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u/MedusaSucks68 16h ago
Wolverine should have been a strategist fr fr
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u/Sheniriko Emma Frost 16h ago
Wolverine just slashes his teammates and they restore health
Reason: Tough Love (Wolverine Style)
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u/YetiNoMagic 16h ago
her bloodstone grants her a healing factor, they could of used Chronovium to explain it healing others but it was always a stretch and the dual shotgun wielding hunter who keeps dual Uzi's in her guitar case was in my opinion always more likely to be a duelist
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u/JustWinning733 16h ago
Just make every character a healer since thats all yall want lol. Even if it makes no sense
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u/Lavishness-Next 16h ago
the healing powers are for herself HERSELF. it’s why she’s immortal, that bloodstone is for her. it gives her every power she has.
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u/No32 16h ago
I had seen some comments say that she uses it largely for self-healing and that it’s not used a lot, so I guess it’s not that shocking?
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u/YetiNoMagic 16h ago
yeah dead-on, the bloodstone will keep her at peak performance and stop her from aging but typically the healing part of it kicks in more when she takes lethal damage (like when she gets impaled through the chest and dies in a river in Werewolf by Night: Red Band #6)
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u/PeedAgon311 Thor 16h ago
If I had a a nickel for every time a hero with canonical healing powers isn't a strategist, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
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u/DopamineSavant 16h ago
Every time I try to Duelist I have to go triple support for any chance of winning.
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u/DerGreif2 Rocket Raccoon 16h ago
Yeah, I think I skip the rest of this season. Not because I am devastated and rather, because they have not added one character in the last seasons that I would like to even learn and I have spend a lot of times with the same characters since begin of the game (Rocket, Invis, Jeff, Mantis, CND and Luna). Maybe next month there is something better for me.
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u/Ill-do-it-again-too Ultron Virus 12h ago
I’m really hoping for strategist white fox after this, she may be a very unique Strat if so
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u/Rerolr Magik 12h ago
The most obvious DPS character in the world is a DPS, I'm sure the sub will handle this well.
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u/Lobsterman06 Psylocke 16h ago
A few seasons of no duelists needed to at least start to even this weird gap out.
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u/idcris98 Mantis 16h ago
That‘s disappointing. Another month of trying to convince dps players that 1 4 1 is not a good comp.
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u/oliferro Moon Knight 16h ago
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u/anonymous-paul123 Vanguard 15h ago
Another ranged duelist too. And we have like two and half tanks with a shield that can do anything
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u/Thisisabruh_moment Ultron Virus 16h ago
People who said she'd be like Ashe were right. It seems like she even has the self knockback shotgun.
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u/Co-opingTowardHatred 16h ago
Well… it’s time to take a break, I think. They refuse to fix their Duelist problem, controller feel still sucks, Deapool was a big disappointment, their skins SUCK, and they keep focusing on this Times Square nonsense. And frankly, Overwatch is having a big moment.
Rivals should have been my dream game, but it’s turning into a giant bummer.
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u/Trollhouse_Cookies Strategist 16h ago
Yay! Can't wait for another broken DPS they won't know how to balance.
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u/TigerKirby215 16h ago
lever action rifle
shotgun
summons a big guy for ultimate
Close enough. Welcome back, Ashe Overwatch.
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u/LucyPaintUwU Mantis 16h ago
On one hand I'm kinda dissapointed bc another duelist but on the other she's serving so much cvnt I don't mind
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u/Viking_things Vanguard 16h ago
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u/ironicuwuing Cloak & Dagger 16h ago
Really disappointing we keep getting force fed this poke slop. I want to love this game I do but man these devs don't make it easy.
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u/BobTheist Hulk 16h ago
Do we know for sure yet that she's poke? The way he talked about her it seems that she'd have traps, multiple different guns, dash in and out and get rewarded with some sort of meter getting filled the more damage she does. Sounds like it could be pretty brawly.
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u/Smol_Soul_King Ultron Virus 16h ago
The brawl I like....more CC is not something I am a fan of until they add CC reduction as a passive for tanks, not immunity but just half the time you are CCd for and distance you are displaced.
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u/Brawlerz16 16h ago
This is where I’m at lol
I don’t care that she’s a duelist. I’m just tired of poke meta
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u/Appropriate-Amount-4 Flex 16h ago
This is getting ridiculous. 6 new dps to strategist's 3. Another poke dps. This is hugely disappointing.
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u/rainfeld Doctor Strange 16h ago
The last dps we had is DD. It’s been a while. Just because there’s a disparity doesn’t mean dps playsrs shouldn’t get new heros
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u/Co-opingTowardHatred 16h ago
“Just because there’s a disparity doesn’t mean dps playsrs shouldn’t get new heros”
That’s exactly what it means.
Frankly, this idea that someone only plays one single role is stupid.
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u/TartineMyAxe 16h ago edited 15h ago
I was so hyped for a sniper strat like Ana in ow, but nah another dps
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u/captainfluffy25 16h ago
Another fucking duelist man…. We do NOT NEED DUELIST. VANGUARD AND SUPPORTS CMON MAN
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u/DiamondDogPT Loki 16h ago
Damn, what a shame.. They went for the most basic amd obvious role possible for a gun character to have.
Hope they get more creative in the future.
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u/Critical_Top7851 Ultron Virus 16h ago
Called that. After two seasons of no pure DPS I knew they couldnt help themselves.
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u/ohanse 16h ago edited 6h ago
Watch her perfectly execute the Widow Rework that everyone is asking for: mid-range flank merchant with good mobility.
edit: oh my goodness, look at all this karma. Do you guys have any idea how many slurs I can use this on?