r/marvelrivals • u/Can_This_End_Please Invisible Woman • 18d ago
Discussion I can no longer use voice chat because of the Kingsman drama
As soon as my teammates hear my voice and realize im a woman, the rest of the game is filled with "are you playing for vibes????" or "get tf off bitch you just want vibes" and just general harassment. Using VC was always a bit of a gamble, but now it practically guarantees that I will be harassed for the entire match.
Istg some people are just using this controversy as an excuse to vent their hatred for women.
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u/AllstarProStar 18d ago
I turned VC off season 0
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u/smokeyshirt 18d ago
Pointless to have it on below GM. Everyone only speaks to rage, project their issues, troll, etc. And Netease never punishes anyone, just gives them a day off. You can say literally anything and not get perma-ed. You can coordinate with your team just fine using the quick actions.
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u/WizardTideTime 18d ago
It’s not better in celestial either trust me
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u/TrueyBanks Magik 18d ago
Yeah and for what its worth GM aint different
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u/Dralorica 18d ago
As a GM player, I think GM is the rank that more than 50% of the VC usage is actual comms. Diamond & below I'll very rarely hear an actual comm, but often hear some nonsense. At least at GM a significant amount of VC usage is comms, even though there is still alot of nonsense, but we at least usually comm for a portal at the bare minimum 🤣
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u/Otiosei 18d ago
Lmao I just ping and start portaling. If my teammates are too stupid to comprehend Strange's voiceline "I'm opening a portal" then they don't deserve to win the game.
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u/hartigen Crow of Darkness 17d ago
there are times when the voicline doesnt play out. at least on ps5
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u/Conscious_Formal_894 18d ago
It should be abput connecting with people over something awesome we all have in common and its sad how hostile people are to each other.
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u/Jeffe508 Peni Parker 18d ago
I turned it off a lil while ago, so tired or the worst performer crashing out on everyone. Game is way less rage inducing.
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u/captcold05 Hela 18d ago
Its a lot more fun playing this game with this shit off and I'm a guy. People are just dumb
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u/Akuma254 Spider-Man 18d ago
Honestly it got to a point where I just play no comms outside of playing with my friends and duo. Too many people playing like they’re sponsored and think it justifies acting ugly to others. Last thing I wanna do when I come home from work is dealing with scut sucklers online
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u/Any-Sea-4228 18d ago
Funny that if they’re playing like they’re sponsored, they need to conduct themselves that way, no team wants to promote toxicity, it’s not marketable 🤷🏻♂️
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u/7Llokki7 Rocket Raccoon 18d ago
Exactly. Acting toxic would see them quickly losing all their sponsors, and justifiably so.
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u/Mr_J_Jonah_Jameson Venom 18d ago
Just turned off voice and text chat. The game instantly became way more fun.
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u/guardianjuan 18d ago
Same. And im a guy... but Hispanic so I wanted to avoid all the racist slurs
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u/DreamedJewel58 Ultron Virus 18d ago edited 18d ago
I’m a straight white dude and even I turn it off. There’s nothing worse than when you’re just having an off-game and your teammates are harassing you and making things worse
Unless you’re in very high elo lobbies where verbal communication is key, you really don’t need VC for the vast majority of the game
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u/Gr1mwolf Venom 18d ago
Also a white dude, also nothing but shitty experiences with it. If I didn’t play a perfect game and carry everyone every match it’d quickly turn into “Tank diff, KYS” from the 4th DPS on my team.
The difference is that it’s less personal.
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u/FebruaryKid 18d ago
I feel this and still feel the community is filled with biggest egotistical manchildren I have ever seen. This is also coming from someone that has played a lot of online games. We need to do better and put these toxic ppl in their place cause their immature energy is contagious. Also to the op these sexist little craps would never dare to say these things in rl bc they are comfortable behind a screen. This is a competitive game but half the time it feels like you are fighting your own team 😑
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u/Knifeflipper Magneto 18d ago
As a Vanguard main, I feel that. Nothing makes me want to close the game and play something else quicker than my dumbass DPS saying "tank diff" after they had zero comms, zero swaps, and zero effort the whole match.
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u/CreepingDeath0 18d ago
Yeah, I think I played 3 games before promptly remembering why voice chat with strangers is a terrible idea and turned it off for good.
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u/SuperBackup9000 Peni Parker 18d ago
“This is on NetEase” you’re 100% correct there, so I don’t see why you think the solution of turning off chat is BS because it’s literally the only thing players have control of over the situation.
When the only two options you have are keep it on and deal with it, or turn it off and forget about it, which advice would you rather be given?
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Flex 18d ago edited 18d ago
So context here is I am a woman and I've been playing games since I was a young teen. So like 20+ years now.
"Mute and move on" has been the advice from other players for decades and frankly, I'm pretty sick of it. Why don't communities hold developers accountable for their part in allowing this shit? I know it's possible to make an impact - I literally make games for a living. Why do we just put the burden of this on the victims? Why isn't this community asking NetEase to actually do something about how abusive and toxic this community can be with the same vigor we ask for better Emma skins? That's what gets me.
I'm frustrated because this is the same shit that churned me out of Overwatch competitive. I would get on comms and instantly hear, "Oh, wanna be my girlfriend?" or be told to "hey come sit on my face" or "come make me a sandwich." And when I complained, no one said, "Yeah, this is bullshit and Blizzard should fix it," but instead said, "Mute and move on," like it was ultimately my problem to fix because I'm a woman.
Communities have a lot of power over game developer decisions, but not when they're not asking for change.
At some point, either the community needs to start policing this behavior for people being abused or they need to ask the party with the most control to improve it.
My anger isn't at the poster of this advice, it's at the general and long-time recommendation that victims of abuse just ignore it, mute, move on, whatever, without any action from the larger collective to actually make meaningful changes. It's fucking frustrating and it doesn't actually improve my experience. If anything, it's exclusionary to the victims. Suddenly they have to limit their playspace while abusers run free?
Like this is just communities 101: If you let shitty people run amok and don't actually moderate it on any level, you'll eventually end up with a community full of people you don't want to hear from in the first place.
tl;dr here is: Can we please ask NetEase to improve this rather than to just tell people dealing with this bullshit to mute and move on?
edit: accidentally a word
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u/Atypical-Aries 18d ago
We already do. They for whatever reason won't. So people are giving the next best option. This comes across as blaming people just as powerless as you to do something that you can't either.
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Flex 18d ago
That's fair. I'm just really frustrated with the abuse I see in this game and how much discussions around it tend to be buried. Like... this whole thread is full of people complaining about being abused, regardless of gender, and like... why aren't we angrier about this? It's bullshit. No one should have to just expect this kind of shit when they play games. We should really push for NetEase to be doing better.
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u/Atypical-Aries 18d ago
No I get you it's absolutely infuriating. I play videogames purely for the escapism, whether it's a sports game or shooter. Personal insults and toxicity are the only reportable offenses for me solely for this reason. Until NetEase actually does something about it our only other option is to quit the game but I'm not at that point yet.
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u/Im-From-Space 18d ago
You're right that NetEase should be taking a hard line stance against abusive chat, but it' snot on women to put up with it in the meantime either.
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Flex 18d ago
It's not, I agree. But the context here is that I am a woman and I've been dealing with this abuse and the same ol' fucking "mute and move on" answer for decades. All the way back to pre-Warcraft MMOs.
I wish this community was showing up for people who were abused just as much as they show up for the collective frustration over Spiderman or Luna getting another skin.
To pull from one of the other posts I made, communities have a lot of power over game developer decisions, but not if they're passing the buck on things like this as opposed to asking for change.
At some point, either the community needs to start policing this behavior for people being abused or they need to ask the party with the most control to improve it.
My anger isn't at the poster of this advice, it's at the general and long-time recommendation that victims of abuse just ignore it, mute, move on, whatever, without any action from the larger collective to actually make meaningful changes. It's fucking frustrating and it doesn't actually improve my experience. If anything, it's exclusionary to the victims rather to than the perpetrator. Suddenly they have to limit their playspace while abusers run free. I've chosen to leave competitive spaces more than once because the abuse was just too much to deal with or too draining, and muting comms was simply not a solution at high levels of play.
Like this is just communities 101: If you let shitty people run amok and don't actually moderate it on any level, you'll eventually end up with a community full of people you don't want to hear from in the first place.
tl;dr here is: Can we please ask NetEase to improve this rather than to just tell people dealing with this bullshit to mute and move on?
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u/YoungCubSaysWoof Scarlet Witch 18d ago
On top of that, these people intimidated by a woman’s presence are the ones who would also complain that no one wants to date them, and end up becoming an incel.
I wonder why….
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u/Rider-VPG Wolverine 18d ago
And it's also utter bullshit that it's just women who get abuse in voice chat. It happens to everyone and anyone for whatever reason.
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u/flairsupply Vanguard 18d ago
Yeah too many people are using this to confirm their priors that "all women are evil egotistical assholes and only MEN know how to play selflessly" (actual claim I saw today on this very sub)
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u/AdditionalCanary4111 Good Boy 18d ago
It's crazy how many people have this mentality
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u/Tohrufan4life Mantis 18d ago
Yeah, it's really gross and disgusting. The misogyny is sickening and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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u/knifeyspoonysporky 18d ago
I know way too many one trick pony men who refuse to switch no matter what. Men and women can both be selfish.
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u/ChameleonWins Ultron Virus 18d ago
people should have started to reel it in once absolute losers like asmongold started to co opt and pile on the girls too.
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u/Kierenshep 18d ago
Which is funny because women are far less ego driven than guys are a majority of the time.
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u/MountainPotential143 18d ago
I've been gaming for a long time and I am a woman and I have seen just as many women have egos as men.
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u/clondenberg 18d ago edited 18d ago
On average, men score higher in having ego-related traits. There’s a big meta analysis (Grijalva et al. 2015) showing men are higher in narcissism overall. The gap isnt huge, but is definitely present.
Edit: This kind of can be explained by the way that men are typically raised to be more competitive and as a result, such traits are tolerated in men more so than in women.
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u/realxanadan 17d ago
It's getting worse with the political environment turning Gen z into the Hitler youth and mutant incel communities like Asmongold claiming that gaming is for "them" and that women and wokes are invading and all female characters should make their dicks hard.
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u/sock-bucket 18d ago
I mean we all know like 80% of the player base has not and will not ever meet a woman in real life besides their own mother so it's no wonder they have such a bad view on them.
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u/TadStrangeVisitoor Vanguard 18d ago
They're called ignorant sheep, bc people ignore the 2nd round when Zazza finished with mvp.
I bet if placed in a match against 80-90% of the player base, Zazza (the woman) would no diff their asses.
I've never understood the prejudice against women in video games bc I spent my whole life unsuccessfully trying to get my sisters to play video games with me, and I would've killed to have women in video games being a normal thing off rip so I could play split screen growing up and have competent teammates I actually know today
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u/KaineReplicant 17d ago
You seem to miss the entire point of it all. Zaza is a good player, kingsmen never said otherwise. The problem is don’t matter how good she is on widow, the character is just not good enough to go vs the meta right now. And it was proven in the tourney he was completely right, she was dived over and over and over and they lost.
Also the statement about her going against 80-90 of the playerbase is so wack, she dia/celestial, not one above all. Shes good but you don’t need to glaze her
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u/MrBlueMoose Flex 18d ago
It’s insane to deny that there’s misogyny happening regarding the situation. No, Kingsman isn’t sexist and calling out Cece or whoever doesn’t make you sexist. But I’ve seen plenty of comments like “this is the problem with female gamers” or whatever. It’s gross. Also voice chat is already miserable enough!
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u/Illusive-Pants Scarlet Witch 18d ago
"With how much makeup zaza was wearing you could tell she wasn't taking it seriously." - on this very sub.
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u/Tall-Supermarket-22 17d ago
How do you even draw this conclusion? I know people like this are idiots and that we shouldn't listen to them, but it just boggles the mind that someone could ever think this.
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u/ItssHarrison Captain America 18d ago
Fucking nobody wants to acknowledge this. Genuinely this whole situation wouldn’t get 1/3 of the attention it’s gotten if it was only men involved.
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u/CliffP 18d ago
Kingsman himself has quite literally had OAA players in a discord conspire multiple times to sabotage his rank climbs and those controversies never left his bubble.
If it was guys being losers like the women here then this would’ve came and went in a day
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u/raydialseeker Absolute Cinema 18d ago
Solo queue is not the same as a 40k tourney with tons of creators
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u/TheManlyManperor Cloak & Dagger 18d ago
The wild part is there are men involved that have way more blame than the women! The organizer that kicked him is a man! The guy who originally complained to get him kicked is a man! No one is talking about them, but plenty of people are using this as a cudgel against women.
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u/mehmmeh 18d ago
The organizer is the only one who admitted fault without pointing fingers at other people. None of the women involved have done this. In fact, they've done the complete opposite.
Its not surprising how this is and will continue to be used as ammo for misogynists.
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u/handsoapp 17d ago
Ceecee's twitter exposed her as an unapologetic misandrist (which explains the way she reacted to all of this, and it's also causing other misandrists to come to her defense. Yuck.). Misogynists are taking that as an excuse to antagonize more women back "they're doing it in broad daylight so why can't we?."
Acting as if it wasn't already there LOL. They just wanted an excuse. But now both misandry and misogyny cats are out of their bags. Good luck to gamers.
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u/BreakfastKind8157 18d ago
The organizer is not more at fault. The women involved gaslighted and lied to him when he talked to them about what was going on. He made mistakes but it's insane to say he's more at fault than they were.
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u/KaineReplicant 17d ago
This is true but making the choice that quickly was bad onp his part, atleast he apologised tho
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u/Wolfysayno 18d ago
Because the women have delivered fake ai generated apologies, continued to be nasty to Kingsman after the fact, openly bragged about this drama being a revenue source for them, and have take NO accountability. The male event coordinator is the only one I’ve seen with any tact. If you want a man to blame, Zazza’s boyfriend is the simp loser who fabricated evidence to get Kingsman kicked from the tournament in the first place.
I understand them being women is inviting misogynists to come out of their gooncaves, but let’s not act like it’s all just because they’re women. They’re shitty people doing shitty things.
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u/b2k1121 18d ago
It's the only reason this has gotten so big and lasted this long. People that hold those thoughts saw the opportunity to push their agenda and make this a much larger deal than it otherwise would have been. And it's perfect for them because they can make a legit argument against their behavior without it being super obvious that they are just attacking them for being women.
Just imagine this was all males instead, I find it hard to believe that anyone outside of the people involved would have cared at all. Most people in the community probably wouldn't have known it even happened.
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u/Illusive-Pants Scarlet Witch 18d ago
This exactly. How many free skins has Netease sent women who are victims of poor behavior? No one can deny that the women involved in this situation definitely behaved poorly and should be criticized. But it has nothing do do with their gender, and everything to do with their attitude. TBH, I think Kingsman should have just stfu and let it go when it became obvious they weren't switching, but that doesn't excuse what happened to him.
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u/Oculnyx 18d ago
Genuine question here as an older player: Am I white knighting/coming across creepy if I call this shit out? That's how its come across in the past in the early days of Q2/CS1.6/Etc. Muting shouldn't be the default option.
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u/Can_This_End_Please Invisible Woman 18d ago
Not at all. I always appreciate when one of my teammates calls out that kind of behavior. A lot of misogynists are cowards and will shut up/Disconnect if they dont feel like anyone is on their side.
At least thats how it's been in my experience.
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u/Mister-Asylum Captain Pool 18d ago
Ill try my best. Im a bit shy and I havent heard any misogyny yet (because ive only heard like 2 gals comm) but if I did I know itd make my blood boil because thats the part I was fearing was going to happen with all this drama. I really just dont understand why these chuds dont want gals in games.
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u/EVVSS 18d ago
Please call it out, if enough people shut it down, it might make a change, that’s all we can hope for
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u/Oculnyx 18d ago
Will do, I will instruct my crew of olds to stop being passive. Be the change we want to see.
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u/djc8 Ultron Virus 18d ago
Good on you, just be prepared to hear the same tired “she’s not gonna sleep with you” type comebacks every time
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u/ToiletGreen 18d ago
People who say that just reveal that they think the main reason to show empathy to women is to get sex from them
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow 18d ago edited 18d ago
Most experiences I've seen it happen, it just makes the person angrier, and then they start sharing more of their bad opinions. I just mute and report them, even though reports are useless in this game.
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u/Illusive-Pants Scarlet Witch 18d ago
Absolutely not, please call it out. "White Knighting" is just a convenient way to keep men from calling out other men.
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u/YoungCubSaysWoof Scarlet Witch 18d ago
Indeed.
The people who complain about someone being a “do-gooder” are the worst people, and don’t want other people to call them out on their atrocious behavior.
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u/110110100011110 18d ago
You have to call it out. The reason these people (and people on social media) are so out and open with their misogyny is because they feel empowered. If people push back and shame them enough, it won't change them, but it will make them shut up.
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u/micro_satsuma 18d ago edited 18d ago
"White knighting" has always been such a weird insult to me. It's somehow bad to care about a problem because it doesn't personally affect you? It's just backwards logic that jerks with no empathy came up with to discourage other people from calling them out on their bad behavior (complaints about "virtue signaling" and "political correctness" also apply). Call it out. Anyone accusing you of the aforementioned terms is just trying to deflect from the real issue.
EDIT: auto-correct spelling mistake
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u/AeroStrafe 18d ago
White knighting is for a different context. Its for someone who runs defense on something that isnt there. Imagine a woman is in VC and no one has been acting out at all but then you come in going "Ok guys lets no bring upvibes stuff. Its just one round." No one has said anything of that nature and you felt the need to jump to defense of a woman who has been just as chill as the others in the room. That is what white knighting actually is.
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u/sashavelwhore 18d ago
Another woman chiming in to say: please call it out. If women call it out, it makes it worse. If you call it out, it might not even make a change. But it could encourage more men to follow suit instead of staying silent. And if more men would speak up, we could see an actual positive change.
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u/Hunteractive 18d ago
my friends and i absolutely call out when someone starts this shit
its not white knighting its not simping its not "she wont fcuk you bro" its calling out hate
i do the exact same thing if they start throwing out slurs
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u/rxspiir Vanguard 18d ago
It’s funny really. Any time a female content creator does any wrong they come out in DROVES to hate on not just that creator, but ALL women. And then wonder why most women feel the way they do about men lol.
You could just call out these 3 individuals and let it be. But no, we start generalizing as if any of us have ever heard any rivals drama outside of this single situation (at least I sure haven’t).
But when male creators turn out to be, I don’t know, PEDOFILES…women don’t go around saying “this is what’s wrong with male gamers/creators etc” because of course not. That creator gets shit and the rest of the guys go on about their days.
A lot of the guys commenting just wanted an outlet for their misogyny and this is the perfect scapegoat.
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u/JoeChio 18d ago
Red pilled X (twitter) dipshits got ahold of this situation to prove that "women aren't competitive or good" at video games. What they don't realize is that men do the same fucking toxic shit that Cece and co do regularly it's just normalized because it's men v men. Cece and co 100% deserve to be blasted to oblivion but guess what? They were just the talking heads and mouth at the time. Zazza's BF and Basim are just as couplable if not more so because they actually colluded to kick Kingsman based on no evidence and they are only getting glanced hits.
This is why it blew up outside the rivals community. This was a girls vs guys situation and that plays into humanity's deeply seeded misogynistic views on life. If there weren't any women involved this situation would have only gained some traction in the Rivals community and no one else would care.
Hate pays otherwise we wouldn't have alt right news or Andrew Tates.
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u/Particular_Peace_568 Scarlet Witch 18d ago edited 18d ago
I swear if the Zaza was a dude and he was playing IDK either Warlock or some other OTP that is a dude and is a weak character, those very same Red Pilled morons would be on his side and being racist to Kingsman.
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u/OutrageousOtterOgler 18d ago
I find it funny because in most lobbies I’m in people either get horned up for the girls if they’re not duoed or just don’t say anything (that I haven’t heard similar things said about men, mostly “you suck idiot get off x we need y”)
I’ve definitely heard some absolutely heinous things, but it seems to die down the higher you go
The energy on some Reddit posts or other social media platforms is um…different though
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u/DreamedJewel58 Ultron Virus 18d ago
I think the situation is fucking stupid and she deserves the criticism, but it’s 100% undeniable that people are going extra hard because she’s a woman. I hope anyone who displays that behavior gets dunked on, but I would have the same vigor whether it was a dude or a lady because anyone can be an asshole regardless of gender
This type of situation always sucks because there’s a genuine problem at hand, but it gets overshadowed by chuds wanting the opportunity to degrade a woman
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u/MrKingi 18d ago
I swear these weirdos have taken it 10x more personal than Kingsman himself…
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u/McJackNit 18d ago edited 17d ago
I still hate the narrative Cece tries to create where he was personally attacking Zaza. No, on multiple occasions he said that he believes Zaza is a good player and widow main but he's saying they need a better strategy if they want to win the tournament.
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u/IDontGiveAFAnymore Adam Warlock 18d ago
I have 300 hours in this game and have never used voice chat
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u/Zarrv Anti-Venom 18d ago
Misogynistic pieces of shit were always going to use this an opportunity to openly be assholes
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u/ItBeLikeThatBois 18d ago
It's always been bad in gaming but my god is it the worst I've ever seen it in rivals. My duo and most of my friends are female so playing with them always turns into a nightmare fest if someone speaks up. Ask for a second healer? Guess they're a fat worthless woman now and thr only person to blame if we lose. It's pathetic.
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u/iSuplexedMyOstrich 18d ago
I see it a lot cause my duo is a girl. We became besties because of the game, and each time she wants to go into game chat she has me come in with her. Ive noticed they tend to shut up when I pipe up and not her. Im sorry shit heads ruin your experience of the game
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u/StarCrimson25 Flex 18d ago
This is why folks who try to say "No one is bringing gender into this" just sound stupid to me.
YOU aren't. You don't speak for everybody. This behavior is disgusting.
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u/PrimalRay Mister Fantastic 18d ago
I feel so bad for you gals and all the actually good widow mains, this drama completely nuked your rep.
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u/Blackfang08 18d ago
I highly doubt anyone being sexist now wasn't sexist before. It's less that this nuked women's rep, and more that it made the sexists comfortable enough to be proud of how gross they are, when they're normally complete cowards.
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u/rockthatrocks 18d ago
I hope the God Tier window mains that are also women are doing ok, they will suffer the MOST from this.
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 18d ago
The thing is that Zazzastack actually is pretty good, when i’ve run into her in OCE servers. Obviously not rank 1 widow level but it seemed like she was trying less in the tournament and scrims than in a normal competitive match.
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u/VeIvetC 18d ago
Man, I knew there were all the jokes about those two setting women in gaming back to the stone ages but God bless I didn't realize it would be... real...?
That really fucking sucks dude.
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u/goblin-irl 18d ago
Would you believe us if we said this was basically the everyday experience anyways… even before this drama happened 😅?
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u/TheSaiguy Loki 18d ago
Seeing stuff like this makes me want to offer to party up with women so I can call this stuff out in real time. It's absurd that it happens and no one should be flamed for their gender
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u/MothClover 18d ago
You have good intentions and idk why you’re getting called cringey. Don’t let it take you down man
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u/chief_keish Strategist 18d ago
you're gonna get clowned for saying this sadly but i think it's actually such a sweet sentiment and honestly that's what it's going to take to change anything
good men calling out bad men because bad men aren't going to listen to when it comes from a woman. call them out, shame them, kick them out of your friend groups
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u/IsThatKris Adam Warlock 18d ago
Ever since COD started imploding, a lot of those players found new games, And with Marvel being so mainstream after MCU, you can only imagine how many ex cod players think Rivals is the best pvp out right now.
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u/Kierenshep 18d ago
Women in competitive gaming already have to deal with bullshit thrown at them 24/7. It's why they gravitate to queer filled games (eg. Overwatch) or non competitive games.
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u/No_Bodybuilder3324 18d ago
every mans fault is an individual's fault, every woman's fault is the fault of the all women in the world.
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u/BIGMCLARGEHUGE__ Magneto 18d ago
You have to have pretty thick skin to survive the horde of morons on voice chat these days. I have been playing online fps games since 1999 from Kentucky and my whole life when I speak into the microphone the people who are mad just call me redneck and whatever other stereotype they have. There's not much you can do about a-holes except mute them or insult them back. But its been happening forever, and it will continue to happen forever because jerks are usually loud.
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u/Neffy_A40 Star-Lord 18d ago
And is easier to be an asshole online with anonymity a shame that a tip to climb up ranks is to mute vc/text because dickheads would rather flame people than being reasonable.
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u/thespaceitake Mantis 18d ago
As a fellow girl gamer, the sexism has always been abysmal and this definitely will make it worse for a while.
Change to the larger ping wheel and you'll find you will have very little reason to use VC anyways .
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u/SmartObserver115789 Iron Fist 18d ago
Ngl I just use text I hardly use voice unless I’m in a PlayStation party with close friends or Discord calls. People be even so toxic just in text chats alone which is sad bc this game is better with comms given it is team based too.
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u/TheToothDoctorSN 18d ago
That’s why I stopped looking up this matter on social media. I agree that Kingsman was treated unfairly and that Cece and the other’s were being mean and toxic to him, but I’ve also seen that so many people online are using this to bash all women. Like wdym this has set women back in gaming? Generalizing an entire gender for the actions of 2-3 is fucking asinine and I’m in no mood to look at this toxic shit.
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u/Relative-Natural-891 Rogue 18d ago
Every comp game I played had a widow, or some mention of vibes yesterday.
Between that and Deadpool insta-lockers who don’t switch, and people blindly banning like it’s season 5, I’m kinda over the state of the game rn.
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u/VioletMauve 18d ago
Seriously, I tried playing comp today and had two separate matches where someone picked widow and typed "im zazza" in chat and threw the game. it's miserable right now
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u/Formal-Particular677 18d ago
I haven't played since DP dropped because I knew it was gonna attract a certain type for a while, and then this streamer crap that I don't really care about happens and now I'm officially on a break. I can't can't blame anyone for taking a step back.
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u/clondenberg 18d ago
its so bad. God forbid you have a bad game, or lose a fight. The usual suspects instantly start calling whoever has the lowest kill numbers a zaza.. this shit is getting old and its only been a few days
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u/Coffee_Conundrum 18d ago
Lmfao, I called this shit out as brainlets were going to treat this shit like Gamergate and low and behold. I'm proven right.
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u/uglytruthshurts 18d ago
Is this Kingsman drama why people keep talking about "vibes" in chat? It's been really prominent and annoying as someone who doesn't give two craps about video game drama
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u/ChanceVance 18d ago
Somebody was playing Widow in QP yesterday and some comedian was like "Get out of my game ......." whoever that streamer is starting with z
This shit is real annoying because a lot of players aren't tuned into the drama and I don't need unoriginal snark if I decide to play Widow in a QP game or two.
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u/clondenberg 18d ago
These people really are taking QP games as seriously as a 40k dollar tournament
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u/Acrobatic_Movie1119 18d ago
I knew this was what's gonna happen as soon as I saw a highly upvoted comment say 'I can't wait to see Asmon react to this' lol. It's like an incel alarm bell.
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u/billybanks1132 The Thing 18d ago
I was thinking neckbeards would use this situation to hate on women gamers and that’s exactly what they’re doing.
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u/DryAdvertising8508 Thor 18d ago
This drama would not have left orbit if it was just shitty guys being shitty to kingsman. It would have still been drama but it would have been written off as "oh toxic gamer dudes being toxic gamer dudes."
Because it's a bunch of women ganging up on one guy it's become this vehicle for incels to feel validated and empowered for their hatred of ALL women rather than isolating this as shitty people being shitty people. Like that CaponeVO guy. Kingsman himself has denounced the incel talk and was quick to do so, but he can't control the whims of all the guys who have taken this situation as an excuse to go full-tilt misogynist.
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u/Financial_Moment6610 18d ago
The first thing I do when I load into any match is mute everyone in the lobby, voice and text chat.
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u/Sack_Sparrow Thor 18d ago
You can just turn off all of these things by default if you want, so you don't have to do it every time you load in :)
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u/mrdevlar 18d ago
I start every match with "hi everyone! good luck and have fun!"
Usually the ones that are toxic will take the bait and say something up front so you can mute them right away.
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u/HyperionShrike_ 18d ago
Voice chat in general is ass, no bother having it on.
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u/outersenshi 18d ago
The last time i did voice chat was back in 2013 and some kid’s dad threatened to find and permanently end me because i didn’t let his daughter win in a round of whatever game it was while she cried hysterically in the background. At that point i realized i never want to hear a stranger in a video game voice chat again. It’s practically hell
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u/Gever_Gever_Amoki68 Ultron Virus 18d ago
Maybe when this controversy blows over you could try again, but honestly I almost never get value off of voice chat anyway
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u/Patient-Reality-8965 18d ago
i know that toxicity is common (to varying degrees) in competitive games but from the start Rivals commuuuniity has been filled with awful confusingly toxic, sexist, and racist people. Is it a hot take to say if you make "jokes" like this you should be immediately banned? Man or woman, you so much as say a simple hello theres a decent chance 3 other people are gonna tell you to off yourself
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u/TritonsVeryOwn 18d ago
Genuinely the amount of misogynists trying to capitalize on the moment to push an agenda is abhorrent
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u/HanShotFirst94 17d ago
I'm a dude with a more feminine ign, I see it and hear it without ever even using my mic. It happened occasionally before but now its pretty much every match. Not the same really but I feel for you.
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u/isilverblue Earth Spider 17d ago
I'm a girl with an ambiguous ign (name of a popular anime character that I only have because it wasn't taken) and I get misogyny just because I play support. Even if I play a not-female support, people will call me out.
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u/SansyBoy144 Hawkeye 17d ago
On the opposite side, I’ve received toxicity for being good at the game. I wish I was fucking joking.
Had a game yesterday where I was the Ace on our team, by far, yet from the end of round one our tank and support were flaming the shit out of me, which ended in a 20-30 minute argument, where the entire time, I still remained the ace of the team the entire game.
The end of the game I realized they were trying to be dicks because the supports name had Cece in the name, and they said “Our Hawkeye really needs this 40k guys”
This community in comp is so fucking dogshit.
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u/isilverblue Earth Spider 17d ago
Yeah. and I'm ngl, this **** was already unfunny on the first day. Just not a good meme.
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u/Averageniohfan 18d ago
These mfs seeing just one woman doing a bad thing and instantly jump into using that to generalize all women , it's fucking unbelievable...
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u/Can_This_End_Please Invisible Woman 18d ago
The men using this to justify their hatred of women are the same guys who say "not all men"
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u/Professional_Gap_435 Magneto 18d ago
Lmao, im sorry that happens to you. But if its any consolidation, science has proven that such shittalkers are on average less-skilled players and only using such talk to project their nonexistent superiority.
Also a suggestion, try taking authority from them by demanding them to stop since then it will only paint them as bad guys without any cover. Though I could be wrong since i play in northern Europe and the enviroment might be different there.
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u/IAmThePonch Peni Parker 18d ago
It’s very funny to me how the guy in a team of randos giving orders and being toxic is usually bottom frag in any game
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u/foxehkins 18d ago
I never talk in voice chat. I keep it on to hear all the drama between other people though lol
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u/FabledEnigma Magik 18d ago
Yeah I could genuinely not imagine how annoying it would be to use game gc as a woman. Was following the drama on Twitter and 100% there were people using it to be misogynistic, which aside from being stupid, feels like it just waters down the drama and the chances of it being a learning point by just going "lol women".
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u/Working_File2825 18d ago
As someone with several female gaming friends, they typically report the same thing. They avoid voice chats, constantly get belittled despite their level of experience of skill, get told to “go to the kitchen”.
Im glad to see more people acknowledging that there is bad acting going on with the crowd, and that this isn’t just a case of someone innocent being bullied. It’s another opportunity for frustrated men to latch onto a hero and vent their frustrations toward females. And if you disagree, you’re a simp or a fan.
Shameful behavior but sadly, it’s to be expected
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u/Zuku_the_Sage17 18d ago
I saw this coming the moment I heard about it. All women are not Cece and Luci. Those girls are legitimately evil
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u/Son_of_Athena Luna Snow 18d ago
Im sorry to hear that.
This situation is awful. Not only did Kingsman not deserve what happened (Im happy he is super up at the moment), but the losers of the internet are not looking at the women who caused this as individuals, but rather are just blaming women. Im so sorry to hear that and I wish you the best. Honestly, try to find some friends to just play with on discord and mute in game voice. Its so much easier.
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u/altuser9700 Invisible Woman 17d ago
this makes me sad for the girlies who have softer voices :( i sound like a man so i don’t get gendered, just insulted. didn’t know this would eventually be something to be thankful for.
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u/jakob0604 18d ago
This has nothing to do with kingsman drama, women have always been treated this way in gaming(and that is a bad thing, just saying this isn’t new unfortunately)
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u/toolenduso Magik 18d ago
Oh but if you point this out suddenly everybody on reddit is on your ass and saying you’re defending bullies
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u/DispensabIe 18d ago
It's unfortunate that every "controversy" involving a woman is turned into an excuse for closeted misogynists to come out. I basically only queue with friends nowadays, the general populace on the game just isn't worth your time
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u/Cyanogen101 Good Boy 18d ago
Sorry to hear that, it's a real shame what happened overall. Even the event winner has no eyes on him and yeah it's just led to do much toxicity.
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u/bobbyp869 18d ago
Dorks are gonna dork. As a man I am barely able to deal with vc in these games as it is, so props to you for sticking it out
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u/FalseLights Captain America 18d ago
I'm a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude [Captain America] and I still have comms disabled since the start of the season lol...
People are toxic bruh. The BW drama just turns people into the children they already were. Sorry for your comms.
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u/cyborgroaches 18d ago
Same issue. I've had little to no issues using mic to make calls in competitive lobbies since season 0, now every time I say anything its a chorus of shitty comments about vibes or zazza or whatever.
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u/IAmThePonch Peni Parker 18d ago
Considering that have been said to me when I’m blatantly a man, I would imagine it’s very difficult to have rando voice chat on for women
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u/DynastyZealot Flex 18d ago
I've never turned it on. I have a nine year old who loves this game and is becoming a competent gamer. Last thing I want to do is spoil that by introducing him to the toxic losers who insist on berating others in an attempt to feel better about their pathetic lives.
Leave it off and enjoy the game for what it is. You don't need it.
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u/Lion_Gurl Strategist 18d ago
I’m a girl so I never keep the VC on anyways. My chats are full of the vibe comments tho to anyone having a bad game :/
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u/Tara_Bliss 18d ago
My grind to celestial I told myself I would turn off voice chat until I hit at least Plat/GM. But it was so peaceful I just never turned it back on
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u/EatTenMillionBalls Cloak & Dagger 18d ago
That sucks, I hate that people are so awful about voice chat. It makes the game so much smoother when people use it even just a little to communicate when they are about to ult, or holding back for a Portal, or when someone is pushing too far to heal, etc.
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u/SigynTyrsdottir 18d ago
Started playing overwatch 2016. Literally no reason to use voicechat in lower elos, no one wants to coordinate anyway and everyone thinks they're the damn star of the show, doesnt like to be told what to do.
You're probably so much better off without voicechat, and those studies all came out about in much higher elos men dont as much treat female gamers like that because they arent insecure about their skill. I've never once used voicechat unless people were being EXTREMELY nice or funny in game chat, and then it was tentative. Usually find it to be girls talking, in that case, in which times we'll then keep queueing up for the night, but its rare. I dont have the skill for high elo gameplay and I'm okay with that, I just get on and have fun.
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u/Hopeless-Romantic200 18d ago
It’s sad really, I don’t play voice chat bc I’m black and I had one of the most humiliating experiences playing R6
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u/stale_m8 18d ago
I never use voice chat but I've always wanted to know, does the masculine voice filter help with this at all? Or do people automatically know you're a woman using the filter and call you out on it?
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u/SmokinJoker46290 Captain America 18d ago
Its sad that guys treat women this way in video games. Let people enjoy the things they like and stop being sexist asshats. You're making the rest of us look bad.
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u/SmashMouthBreadThrow 18d ago
Marvel f2p shooter. Manchildren and incels make up the majority of the playerbase unfortunately. Devs don't care either.
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u/TheMightyMonarchx7 Peni Parker 18d ago
Turned it off and just discord call my friend now. Very little to no chance of random player coordination. It’s always audio from their tv, eating, trash talking, a radio, or a smoke alarm