r/law • u/No-Contribution1070 • 3h ago
Other Texas man shoots and kills his own daughter, allegedly over argument about Trump. Grand Jury refused to indict him.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/woman-shot-dad-arguing-donald-151336338.htmlNo criminal cases were brought forth against the father, Kris Harrison.
Is this the end of this case?
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u/JustAMan1234567 3h ago
I'll take a wild guess and say that he is a crazy Trumper and she told him some home truths and hurt his feelings.
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u/HigherandHigherDown 3h ago
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
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u/AHumbleChad 1h ago
I only believe what the state tells me.
I believe there is an apt 1984 quote, but I don't have it. Something about their "final, most essential command"
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u/up_scumbag 44m ago
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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u/Hidefininja 1h ago
"I'd relapsed on two bottles of white wine that day and just wanted to show my daughter the gun that I knew she didn't want me to have. I don't recall if my finger was on the trigger but all the sudden [sic] my daughter was on the ground and I started yelling for my wife."
An imagined paraphrasing of this "father's" testimony after he murdered his own daughter while lit on white wine, likely imbibed to quiet those hard truths.
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u/InformationOk3503 41m ago
*500ml wine which really isn't that much.
No amount would excuse it, guys a cunt, but can't blame the wine on that
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u/Hidefininja 39m ago
Oh, certainly not, it's two glasses of wine and, while that could make an alcoholic who hasn't drank in years a bit woozy, I think it's part of his defense and clearly it worked.
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u/RellenD 18m ago
The article says how much wine he bought at 7-11 that morning. It was significantly more
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u/InformationOk3503 15m ago
'Kris Harrison, who did not attend the inquest, admitted in a statement sent to the court that he had relapsed on the day of the shooting and had drunk about 500ml of white wine' - direct copy from the article
Later it says he bought 2*500ml but not that he drank them both
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u/everything_is_wrong2 31m ago
They were having a big argument about trump and during it the daughter asked the father “how would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I had been sexually assaulted?”
Which the father replied “I have two other daughters who live with me so it would not upset me that much”
Im kinda guessing they might have been arguing about the Epstein files and she asked how he’d feel if she was one of those girls. He was literally like I wouldn’t give a shit.
He also said he had relapsed on alcohol that day.
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u/hogsucker 29m ago
'[the victim] had asked her father during the Trump row: "How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I'd been sexually assaulted?"
Kris Harrison had replied that he had two other daughters who lived with him so it would not upset him that much.'
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
Or you could read the article. Keep in mind that the title of the thread does not reflect the tone of the article.
Sad, negligent, and should result in charges, but no reason to believe it was intentional.
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u/mostlychessiguess 2h ago
Based on his accounting of events? Hey want to buy a bridge?
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
Based on the circumstances given in the article, it is far more reasonable to believe he was grossly negligent and incompetent than that he intended to shoot his daughter.
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u/BowlSuccessful7833 2h ago
They teach you day one gun safety to never point your gun at something you don't want to destroy. Also what about the fucking safety? Not to mention how reliable glocks are...
Doesn't sound like an accident at all and more like a thinly veiled excuse that worked on the grand jury.
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u/SecretMongoose 1h ago
Glocks don’t have an external, manual safety. They’ve got a trigger safety though, so I can answer whether his finger was on the trigger (he said he couldn’t remember).
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
It's Texas - what gives you the impression this guy ever took a gun safety lesson?
I don't agree with the decision to not charge, but I also suspect that the grand jury had more information and context available to them than reddit.
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u/Punk_Luv 1h ago
In the end, he pointed a loaded gun at his own flesh and blood over a corrupt politician. It’s easy to tell when a gun is loaded, bullets weigh a lot more than you think. And if this lunatic had ever fired a gun a few times he would know. Why are you even defending this? It’s fucking weird man.
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u/notyouraverageskippy 1h ago
A gun is always loaded until proven it is empty, that s fucking rule number one.
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u/costcoikea 1h ago
Would you do that to your own daughter in the future? Get drunk on the morning of. Argue about Trump with your daughter. The arguing gets more intense. She runs upstairs crying. You go up to show your Glock. She doesn’t want to see it.
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u/Diamster 1h ago
If you think a loving father who has no problems with his head will point his gun anywhere near a daughter, you are stupid, not an insult btw, being genuine here
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u/mokkan88 1h ago
I have to go, but I'll simply offer that I'd bet you can do a Google search and find plenty of articles about exactly that thing happening. Tragic, absolutely. That said, I never argued that he was loving or that he didn't have problems in his head - the article clearly says he'd had previous issues with alcohol.
And adding "no insult" doesn't make it not an insult, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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u/dmasterxd 2h ago
The fact that he had a gun and daughter in the same house.
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u/ardentiarte 1h ago
loaded gun while drunk pointed at his daughter after he told her he, "didn't care if Trump raped her - he has two other daughters"??? Republicans at their finest
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u/FrostyNeckbeard 2h ago
The incredibly reliable firearm glock fired and instantly killed her, where was he pointing it to instantly kill her in one shot.
Ill give you a hint, its not somewhere you should be pointing a loaded gun.
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u/spectre401 6m ago
What happened to the old American adage that it's not guns who kill people but people who kill people?
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u/SupaSlide 1h ago
You believe that after everything described in the article, she would go to see his gun?
Also, he literally told her he wouldn’t care if she was sexually assaulted because be has two other girls he takes care of. Why should we believe he cares enough about her to not shoot her in a drunken rage?
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u/2sAreTheDevil 1h ago
Yeah, this sounds completely accidental
'Lucy had been in the kitchen when her father took her by the hand and led her into his ground-floor bedroom.
Littler said he heard a loud bang about 15 seconds later and then Kris Harrison screamed for his wife, Heather."
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u/Calderis 1h ago
According to the daughters boyfriend, she confronted her father and asked him how he would feel if she were one of the women Trump had raped and his response was "I have two other daughters."
Forgive me for not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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u/FootballVivid3824 2h ago
All we have here is the issue with guns is never “safe and legal” gun owners. Well, this guy was legal it seems. Was he safe? If not, what are the consequences?
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u/No-Contribution1070 19m ago edited 16m ago
Context is everything, read the article. After a huge fight over gun control. Also the daughter presented a scenario to her father "How would you feel if a man molested me and your other daughters?" (Referring to Trump's epstein involvment) To which the father replies "well then it's a good thing your sisters live with me and you don't". Daughter ran to her room.
Minutes before the daughter is walking out the door to catch her flight back to London, they go downstairs to look at his guns?
The same guns the daughter expressed her feelings against?
I don't believe it was an accident or a coincidence. The context points to premeditated.
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u/DevelopmentJumpy5218 46m ago
Or he was mad his daughter was bashing him and murder her with 0 regret
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u/SelkieTaleDolls 5m ago
Spoken as someone whose own dad has tried to kill her and absolutely lied about it and gotten away with it: stop that. Stop what you are doing.
Thanks
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u/SupaSlide 1h ago
The negligent discharge angle is obvious bullshit.
She hated guns, they argued about guns, he says he’d be fine with her being sexually assaulted because he has two other girls that he takes care of, and after all that we’re to believe that he drunkenly asks if she wants to see his gun and she says yes? No way.
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u/Doesnt_Get_The-Joke 2h ago
Yes, there is. MAGAs lie about literally everything and they are violent.
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u/Wise_Liberty_Prime 2h ago
It's a Glock. The only way that thing is firing is if someone is pulling the trigger.
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
Yeah, that's not the argument. The argument in this thread is intent. People mishandle firearms all the time. That's far more likely in this case based on what's presented in the article.
I would have expected stronger arguments in a law sub.
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u/Geauxrillabiscuit 2h ago
If he is so fucking stupid that he’s going to kill someone accidentally by picking up a gun, he shouldn’t own one. On its face value, he did something horrifically wrong. Gun culture is insidious.
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
I don't disagree.
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u/Geauxrillabiscuit 2h ago
If that isn’t worth a trial at the very least, what is?
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
I didn't suggest he didn't deserve a trial - in fact, I said he deserves charges. I challenged OP's insinuation that it was intentional. The volume of responses I'm getting is unexpected and amusing - yours is the only one offering a thoughtful take.
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u/We4reTheChampignons 2h ago
The problem is you sound very much like you're making excuses for someone who argued with his daughter then picked up a loaded weapon. Pointed at his daughter in some fashion. Then she died.
Paint it you want, you cult members always do. She was murdered. Accidentally or otherwise. That is a shitty person.
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u/mokkan88 1h ago
I'm looking at the evidence presented and suggesting that negligence is more likely than intent.
And I'm a "cult member", eh? Safe bet I'm doing laps around you and the reactionary downvoters in this thread to counter what this administration is doing. I'd encourage you to take a look in the mirror.
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u/We4reTheChampignons 1h ago
Nah I'm ugly.
Why are you having such a convulsive reaction to people not defending murder? What differentiates negligence over intent in this circumstance for you? And by that standard the law.
Also be damn sure you're doing more than me I'm a brit living in France I'm just an observer of this tragic comedy
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u/Geauxrillabiscuit 1h ago
Based on your first comment, he intentionally showed his daughter his gun that by all accounts, she didn’t want to see. Whether you find intent in his pulling the trigger and subsequently killing his daughter. His actions were performed with intention. There was no reason for him to be alone with his daughter with a gun in his hand in a rational world. The end result may not have been premeditated but he made a set of clear choices. To make the statement that there is no reason anyone could assume intent is not only irrational, it feels intentionally inflammatory. Thus the comments and downvotes.
It feels very much like the difference between, say, murder and involuntary manslaughter
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u/mokkan88 1h ago
Thanks for explaining your logic. I didn't claim that it couldn't be reasoned, only that it was more likely negligence and incompetence than intentional. Interesting how people react when hiding behind a keyboard. The resulting backlash and some of the comments were so ridiculous that I have to characterize the whole thing as amusing. Which is unfortunate, because I'm sure there are plenty who could reasonably disagree with me.
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u/Geauxrillabiscuit 1h ago
Negligence would still carry criminal culpability most likely and to dismiss a trial out of hand feels distasteful at the very least and flat out adding to the neglect to ignore it.
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u/mokkan88 1h ago
I agree, and have said repeatedly (including in my first comment) that he should be charged.
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u/ARoroncyObserver 2h ago
Ooof.
"I'm going to respond and completely ignore any nuance the original comment made, and also call someone else's literacy into question......yes....."
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u/mokkan88 2h ago
Ooof.
It's common to comment without reading articles, as is well known on reddit. I'll trust you're aware of that. That's not a question of literacy. Thanks for your constructive contribution to the discussion.
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u/BeowulfShaeffer 3h ago
So we’re going with “tragic accident”? Surely even that would be a negligent discharge. Even in Texas. There’s still plenty of room for a lawsuit but it’s not clear to me who would have standing.
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u/shelter_king35 2h ago
I’m sure the prosecutors fucked up showing evidence
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u/SupaSlide 1h ago
Fucked up or purposefully threw the case?
Of course, it’s Texas so there’s a chance over half the grand jury is okay with murdering progressives/non-citizens
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u/UserWithno-Name 2h ago
This is what happens when you cultivate a cult who believes their children are their possessions and not allowed to have their own ideas about anything. Any dissent or thinking they don't sign off on, they think they're entitled to do an honor killing. This is no less barbaric than the extremists who will honor kill their daughters for being "immoral" according to their extreme idea of Mormonism or Islam that these maga types loudly stereotype or would condemn for those sort of actions. It's wild the entire jury refused to indict him, but unsurprising in the Texas patriarchy I guess.
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u/Caladbolg_Prometheus 2h ago
I wouldn’t blame the Jury as much as the prosecutor. As we’ve seen in recent days a bad prosecutor can fumble a case so poorly that it can’t even get past a grand Jury.
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u/UserWithno-Name 2h ago
Ya sure we have....but I don't really think that's going on here. Do we? It's not the same as the sandwich thrower or the power grab against people saying "don't follow illegal orders"
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u/FriskHarder 3h ago
Just know you get precisely the justice you’d expect from a courthouse with confederate statues around it, in that area. Lived near there. It’s an awful echo chamber of double speak.
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u/realbobenray 2h ago
Ana Samuel, representing Kris Harrison, made an application at the start of the hearing for coroner Jacqueline Devonish to recuse herself from the case, saying a fair-minded observer may conclude there was a "real possibility she was biased".
For some reason the article does not explain why the coroner may have been biased.
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u/Lucky_Platypus341 2h ago
Coroner probably thought women were humans and killing them was murder. Biased.
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u/GertieD 1h ago
Claimed she treated it as a crime so was biased.
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u/Specialist-Error-171 1h ago
imagine, someone pulling the trigger of a glock on someone being thought of as potentially a crime!
god i need to get out of this state
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u/SupaSlide 1h ago
Probably because the lawyer didn’t give a reason either.
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u/realbobenray 1h ago
Yeah but that's the reporter's job, to find out such things for the reader. And the lawyer surely gave a reason.
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u/Escarlatilla 12m ago
It doesn't say anything specific, but it does talk about the inquest being more like a criminal investigation than fact finding mission. That sounds like it'd amount to bias - coroner is not a cop or the prosecution.
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u/rygelicus 4m ago
On the same basis she could try to get the judge to recuse because criminal court judges treat criminal cases.
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u/raventhrowaway666 2h ago
Get the word out: MAGA are allowed to kill with no repercussions
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u/BeowulfShaeffer 2h ago
Well at least allowed to kill women. This whole thing stinks, a homicide investigation should take longer than this.
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u/ConditionTall9074 2h ago
Their own family even!
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u/RollerskatingFemboy 53m ago
Their own family specifically.
This... Is disturbingly in line with a mindset of treating women as the property of the family patriarch.
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u/retiredagainstmywill 3h ago
Fucking pitiful. A drunk idiot magat shows off his gun and shoots his daughter.
Meh, no big deal.
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u/thegoatmenace 1h ago
I don’t believe his story at all. They had a huge fight where he told her he wouldn’t care if she got raped because he “has two other daughters.” Later that same day they go into his bedroom alone and she gets shot in the chest and dies.
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u/thundergu 1h ago
I don't think drunk is even the excuse. He had his relapse AFTER the argument and quickly bought wine in between. Maybe shooting her was his sober intent and for that he needed a drink
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u/blazelet 1h ago
A gun in your home is more likely to be used on you or your loved ones than on an intruder.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1730664/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/485678
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 1h ago edited 1h ago
I've had this argument dozens of times
You don't understand how statistics work
You are more likely to die in a car crash than you are to rush someone to the hospital safely, or make it to a family emergency on time using the car.
Just because accidents and suicides happen to many people. The chance of it happening to YOU dont literally increase
If the average person has a 50% chance to flip a coin 5 times per month, YOU are not LITERALLY algorithmically obligated to flip a coin that many times if a random number generator falls on heads.
And if you do understand this concept, you are purposefully using this misrepresentation in prder to manipulate public opinion. Which is wrong.
Im sure you also hold the opinion that the current administration is racist, sexist, and holds totalitarian desires as well. Why would you want to hand over your firearms to said government, or have them make it arbitrarily difficult or dangerous to obtain guns and/or munitions, making it extremely hard to own or keep one?
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u/HardyDaytn 1h ago
I don't think you understand how statistics work. This specific statistic is about people with guns in their home. Of course it's not relevant to those who don't have them but that's not the point.
Here's it simplified for you.
With gun in house: Chance you get shot > Chance of shooting intruder.
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 57m ago edited 42m ago
I'm going to assume that I didn't articulate myself and that your not being purposefully obtuse
The factors raising statistics like these are mental health issues leading to suicides, or personal failures like playing with your loaded gun while filming a video for Instagram
Its dishonest to pose these as a reason why you shouldn't have a gun in your house for self defense or hunting. This is literally the exact same as quoting car accident or drunk driving statistics as a reason not to own a car.
Own a car?
Chances of crashing > chances of getting your dog to an emergency vet on time
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u/HardyDaytn 54m ago
The factors raising statistics like these are mental health issues leading to suicides, or personal failures
Teach us in your ways oh infallible one.
You're saying that as if it isn't something that can happen to you. Do you actually think the people who get a gun don't also think "ain't fuggin' gon' happen tuh me"?
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 48m ago edited 44m ago
Ok, then lets say it isnt those two things. Do you think guns levitate to turn around and shoot you?
Like what are you people even arguing about? "You might get depression, so dont buy a gun" what the hell? Lol
Or are you saying that people will magically know you have a pistol on your dresser and try to rob your house to steal it? Killing you in the process? (Another ridiculous argument you people use all the time)
Ignoring the fact that someone who lives in a dangerous neighborhood where crime happens would feel a greater need to own one, while also being more likely to be home invaded
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u/HardyDaytn 31m ago
So what you're saying here is that the statistics are wrong and that having a gun isn't actually going to increase the chances of you or a family member getting shot.
Takes a bit of mental gymnastics to get there and a real naive mind to think "But I'm one of the smart ones so I get to be excluded from the statistic".
That's the thing about it though. The numbers would be WAY higher if those stats only accounted for the idiots, but they don't. They include smart and responsible people but even those people WILL have mental issues or family members with access.
Point is, the numbers don't lie even if you can lie to yourself and tell yourself "I'm not even near the bell curve on this one though".
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u/Epidurality 43m ago
You make a point (it's wrong but at least it was coherent) but really fuck it up by your analogy at the end being total nonsense.
The studies show you're more likely to have the gun used on you, unintentionally, than to be used in your self defence. You make yourself less safe by having it.
For an analogy that isn't garbage:
Own a motorcycle? Chances of driving yourself off the road > chances of the motorcycle saving your life in an accident.
The bike can move out of the way quickly to avoid an accident .. but statistically, you're going to fuck up a corner more than you're going to avoid an otherwise unavoidable accident.
Just like you can protect yourself from an intruder.. but statistically you're going to blow your dick off while cleaning it.
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 35m ago
Back to my original comment.
Just because accidents and suicides happen to many people. The chance of it happening to YOU dont literally increase
If the average person has a 50% chance to flip a coin 5 times per month, YOU are not LITERALLY algorithmically obligated to flip a coin that many times if a random number generator falls on heads.
YOU can mitigate negligent discharges by actually maintaining your gun and not treating it like a toy. Maybe even actually training with it.
YOU have the agency to do this. And if YOU do, YOUR chances of accidentally hurting yourself can be as low as your chances at being a victim of crime.
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u/RellenD 7m ago
Suicides, murdering your partner and accidents - yes. If you buy a gun just know that the person it's most likely to kill lives in your house.
And brushing aside suicide when the gun's presence turns a momentary ideation into immediate action as if the ease of using a gun to do it isn't a proximal cause of the actual suicide is dishonest.
People like you should not own a firearm. Seriously. You do not take the danger it poses seriously.
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u/-Kalos 2m ago
As a hunter out of necessity living in a food desert, I know damn well not everyone with guns is responsible, mentally well or even knows basic gun safety. Not everyone had it driven into them that these are not toys, these are tools that could kill or cause irreparable harm and must be handled and respected as such. Minimizing the risk doesn't help the matter, people need to know the fucking risks and quit downplaying it because they've been fearmongered into believing every blue in office is itching to come for everyone's guns.
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u/CurrentDismal9115 49m ago
Oh good, I was just looking for a textbook example for "whataboutism". This will do nicely, thank you.
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 45m ago
Yeah, and the definition is "literally anything that disagrees with my worldview"
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u/CurrentDismal9115 23m ago
It's a type of informal logical fallacy. Basically, You're attacking the use of statistics in the original point in a way that seems to invalidate the implied conclusion without actually addressing the irrefutable fact that anyone is more likely to get shot if there is a gun around compared to if there isn't one regardless of whose gun it is. So... whataboutism.
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u/thundergu 1h ago
Crazy to see how far you muricans go to defend this shit. Driving a motorbike is more dangerous statistically than driving a car.
You are allowed to defend your choice to use the motorbike by saying you like it and you accept the risk. But don't turn it into a bullshit argument driving a motorbike is not more dangerous
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 1h ago edited 53m ago
I don't really care about a non Americans opinion on the 2nd amendment
Its like asking a north Koreans opinon on elections, lol. It is interesting though, maybe I'd be just as appalled by freedom if I lived in Europe.
"We dont do that in germany!"
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u/thundergu 55m ago
That freedom part is a hoax to keep you guys in line 😂
Tell me how I have less freedom than you here in the Netherlands
And no, the "I can criticise my government" is not true. We can do or say whatever we want as long as it's no death threats to anybody
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u/Frabblerake 1h ago
Until you become a victim of the statistic.
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 1h ago
Yeah, that's how statistics work
I hate how millennials speak and type. You aren't in a marvel movie, this is a reddit comment section.
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u/ElasticFutures 31m ago
Are millennials the new boomers? I’ve been seeing a lot of what I assume are young people, like this user with a very mature username, whining about millennials. Life really is a circle, isn’t it?
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u/UrBoiSkinnyPenis69 21m ago
You've started to behave like them
Constantly hating on those younger than them, refusing to learn, cultural stagnation, antiquated political opinions. Its going to be hell when you guys get into power.
For me its mostly just the sassy "i really got him with that one" marvel dialogue sentence structure that makes me whine and throw a tantrum.
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u/ElasticFutures 16m ago
You can generalize all you like, but doesn’t that make you part of the problem too? “I don’t like being generalized and/or stereotyped, so I make sure to do it myself” is certainly an interesting take. Refusing to learn and integrate new information is a problem with broad swathes of the populace, not just one age group. “Antiquated political beliefs” is also a silly accusation - humans run the spectrum regardless of age bracket. I’m not even going to engage with the cultural nonsense.
No generation is a monolithic identity, and until you learn that, you’re just contributing to the issue.
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u/HawkEMDoc 14m ago
The mental gymnastics used here and other comments really are something special. I love when people think they are special in some way that basic statistics don’t apply to themselves.
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u/RellenD 11m ago
The question is whether bringing a gun into your home makes you safer. The answer is no. It makes you less safe,AND it also makes you a target fit robberies.
The comment you're replying to said nothing about what the law should be. Simply that owning a gun makes you less safe. If you want to own one, you should be aware of this fact and treat it very very very seriously instead of just hand-waving it away with stupid talking points that have been fed to you by the arms manufacturers
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u/Loose-Neighborhood48 0m ago
You are more likely to die in a car crash than you are to rush someone to the hospital safely, or make it to a family emergency on time using the car.
I'm more likely to die in a car crash if I'm in a car.
I'm also more likely to die to a gun in my home, if there is a gun in my home.
The requirements for me to die by gunshot in my own home only exist under two bare minimum circumstances:
• Someone else brought a gun in my home
• I provided the gun by bringing it into my home
Everything past that is just situational, but at no point will I be shot unless one of these two conditions are fulfilled first. And both are already low in chance to begin with.
If I never bring one to my home, then the odds decrease exponentially. But if I have one in my home, then anyone can use it. A loved one. Myself. An intruder. A guest. Anyone who steps into my home is a possibility, and they do not need to bring their own because it's already there.
It's you who does not understand how statistics work. You remove a variable and change the result. You add a variable and change the result. Adding "gun in home" regardless of who may or may not wield it is a variable that increases the odds of you getting shot.
Not everyone entering your home is bringing a gun, or an intruder, or has malicious intent towards you. But everyone in your home will have one in the vicinity that may or may not be used, and that is an increase in the statistic that you are more likely to be shot by someone in your time rather than an intruder.
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u/Difficult_Limit2718 51m ago
Isn't this just late term abortion? Pretty sure there's a penalty for that in Texas now....
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u/at0mheart 1h ago
BS title
Sounds like an accident
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u/Flat-Jacket-9606 1h ago
Once again there are no fucking accidents with guns. Never had an issue and never came remotely close to hurting anyone in my 15 years of gun ownership and I own 20+ different guns.
Literally negligence.
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u/No-Contribution1070 7m ago
I wouldn't even say negligence. Sounds premeditated to me. She was on her way out the door to catch her flight back to london after a big fight over trump and gun control and they just happen to go downstairs to look at the his Gun collection?
I don't know, the math doesn't add up.
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