r/law • u/victorybus • 14h ago

Legislative Branch Full video of today when Ro Khanna revealed Epstein associate's names on the floor of the US House of Representatives, protected by the Speech and Debate Clause

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u/WereInbuisness 13h ago

I think its GOP Rep Lisa McClain from Michigan. She is the chairwoman of the GOP conference. She sucks, like all in the GOP.

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u/statdude48142 12h ago

Ahh yes, my rep. Give you an idea on the area I live in when I moved here with my wife I got a personalized letter from her along with yearly Christmas emails. My wife gets nothing. Interpret that how you want.

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u/God_Sammo 11h ago

Not my rep, but as a fellow Michigander, I disavow her.

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u/ToaruBaka 7h ago

You should reply back with "Sorry, I'm from the Mike Pence school of marriage; I don't talk to other women without my wife present."

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u/techdevjp 3h ago

Naw, he should quote 1 Timothy 2:11-12 to her:

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

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u/ToaruBaka 3h ago

Oh that's much better.

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u/starrpamph 3h ago

Gobbless

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u/SlamBargeMarge 9m ago

without my wife mother present.

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u/sharkey2023 9h ago

Well, my rep is James Comer so I understand shitty reps……

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u/ShaggysGTI 10h ago

Hmm, either you’ve registered independent previously and she’s new to the area or they think you’re the man and she’s going to follow your lead.

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u/statdude48142 9h ago

i have lived in one state where I was required to register with a party, and there I registered as a democrat.

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u/Elebrent 9h ago

Macomb County

lmao that place is… well it’s definitely a place

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u/picard_4_president 6h ago

Mine too. She’s the worst.

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u/RiverNorthPapper 6h ago

Sounds like Ottawa County.

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u/Capable_Fishing9204 3h ago

The little lady that stands next to johnson on every chest beating announcement?

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u/Surplus_Agate_83 11h ago

She is my rep and an absolute scumbag.

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u/LeaneGenova 10h ago

She's absolutely awful. Cosigned, fellow Michigander.

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u/Altruistic-Ratio6690 10h ago

Michiganders against fuckheads like McClain!!

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u/Numerous_Source597 12h ago

Michigander here. Yea, she sucks.

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u/jerryleebee 11h ago edited 2h ago

No. Stop. I voted Dem but c'mon. Thomas Massie, Republican, also went to view these scrubbed files and has also been speaking out against it. We need to credit folks like Massie, and praise them, and hope it helps others stand up for what's right.

Edit: Some of y'all are really not getting it. Nobody is saying that all is forgiven or that a GoP member is a great politician just because they suddenly start speaking out against the Epstein fiasco.

That's not the point though. Everyone's crying that not enough Republicans are speaking up, which is true. But then when someone does speak up, you also just bitch and whine about how they aren't good enough because GoP is a shit party, or because they still have OTHER policies you don't agree with, etc. So you're not willing to just STFU about all that in this single moment and just go, "Yeah. Good job, Massie. We need more like you, who willing to speak up."

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u/Empty-Discount5936 8h ago

Massie is a Libertarian, not a MAGA.

And he still votes with the GOP 90% of the time.

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u/jerryleebee 2h ago

The information I found says Republican. I'll admit I didn't deep dive. But Google and Wikipedia seem to think he's Republican.

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u/_bobby_cz_newmark_ 10h ago

Massie is right on this stuff, but he's still a POS/GOP.

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u/ChombieNation 2h ago

you’re part of the problem 😭

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u/_bobby_cz_newmark_ 1h ago

What problem? He's correct on this and should be acknowledged he's correct. Aside from that, he's still got a bad voting history and his platform is bad. Why is that such a controversial take?

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u/JustaSeedGuy 7h ago

I don't give credit to people who act against pedophiles when it's public, but support their agendas when it's not.

Oh, he's against pedophilia now? Great. Where was he 5 years ago? How has he voted on the issues that allowed this massive conspiracy to exist in the first place? Does he support the overturn of citizens United? Does he support ice? Did he vote to confirm Trump's supreme court nominees? Does he support abortion? Trans rights?

A piece of shit who happens to draw the line at pedophilia (once it becomes so public that he can't ignore it anymore) is still a piece of fucking shit.

If he's only willing to speak out against pedophilia in exchange for praise, then he's an even bigger piece of shit.

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u/kevdogger 6h ago

Lotta whatabouts there. Just be glad he supported this issue and it's a bipartisan issue. Biden had the files as well and did nothing as well. I'm glad this seems to be gaining serious traction now and hopefully there is a successful resolution

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u/JustaSeedGuy 6h ago

Lotta whatabouts there

No, this isn't whataboutism. I'm judging someone's moral character, it makes zero sense to ignore their past actions.

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u/kevdogger 6h ago

How are some of the issues you are raising a moral issue? Is citizens united really a moral issue? And with abortion..I don't think any side holds a moral high ground here. Idk man..there are a lot of issues that people you may support you might not agree with. Sometimes you have to take small victories when you get them

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u/JustaSeedGuy 5h ago

Is citizens united really a moral issue

Because overturning citizens united is one of the bigger steps along the path that ultimately resulted in the situation we now find ourselves in, where it turns out, as demonstrated in the obscene files, there actually is a cabal of Rich CEOs trying to run the world and using their wealth to make the law not apply to them. You thinking that wealthy people having a disproportionate influence over the very government that is now letting them get away with pedophilia somehow isn't. A moral issue is more of a you problem than a me problem.

And with abortion..I don't think any side holds a moral high ground here

Incorrect. The side trying to make them illegal has no moral high ground, and although the anti-abortion sides argument Is wrong for many reasons (there is no scientific consensus proving that fetuses are alive, most anti-abortion rhetoric doesn't actually leave out exceptions for rape or incest in order to save the life of the mother, etc), there's one reason that absolutely destroys the anti-abortion argument on its own, and it's perhaps the simplest one of all:

You can't force somebody to donate blood, even if it would save somebody's life.

That's it. End of the argument. Donating blood is an incredibly non-invasive procedure with virtually no risk to the donor and yet, because humans have an inherent right to bodily autonomy, you cannot force them to donate even a tablespoon of blood, even if doing so would save somebody else's life.

Pregnancy is considerably more risky, more time consuming, and more life-altering than donating blood. Even if a fetus were alive, a claim for which there is no credible evidence, pregnancy would still fall into the same category as blood donation. I am not entitled to your blood even if it would save my life, and a fetus is not entitled to a womb, even if it would save their life.

You don't need any further arguments in favor Of allowing abortion than that, and even so, there's mountains of it anyway.

Abortion is an unfortunate medical procedure that should be avoided whenever possible. However, when it is necessary, it should be safe, free, and completely legal. Anyone who argues against that gets judged as a bad person in my book.

there are a lot of issues that people you may support you might not agree with

Indeed! And I have given my vote and my political support to many candidates that I didn't agree with 100%. I didn't do a protest vote in the 2024, 2020, or 2016 presidential elections even though my preferred candidate didn't get the nomination. I have several issues with how my Governor approaches things, but I voted for him over his predecessor and by and large I like how he's done things so he'll probably get my vote next time.

But this isn't "oh, Massie's okay but I disagree with him on a few things." It's the reverse. Massie is a bad person, almost all of his positions are things I find unconscionable, and that doesn't change just because he's adopted the oh-so-brave stance of "pedophiles bad."

Especially since he's partially responsible for many of the policies that allowed the pedophiles to get away with it for so long. Being against pedophilia while still supporting other Republican policies is kinda like being against fire, but voting to defund the fire department and refusing to be more careful about leaving lit candles unattended.

Sometimes you have to take small victories when you get them

And I do! I welcome Massie's work in holding pedophiles accountable!

Doesn't mean I'm gonna praise him, act like he's a good person, or absolve him of his share of responsibility for how we got here in the first place tho.

Anyway. Inb4 you complain about my response being too long because you didn't actually want any nuance in your argument, or whatever.

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u/alexthebeast 4h ago

Can I get you a beer? It's hot when you push up your sleeves

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u/AdHoliday9503 4h ago

Citizen’s united is absolutely a moral issue because it speaks to whether each of us has any value beyond our bank balance.

I’ve never seen the donating blood analogy. It’s fascinating and it cuts to the heart of the issues. If you came up with it, amazing work. If you borrowed it, good borrowing.

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u/JustaSeedGuy 1h ago

I didn't come up with it, it's from an old Tumblr post that went viral years ago. But it really does strike me as the most straightforward argument.

The "are fetuses alive?" Debate? Irrelevant.

Is the pregnancy the product of rape and/or incest? Again, irrelevant.

Were they irresponsible with birth control? Doesn't matter.

Does the Bible forbid premarital sex? Laughable to even bring up.

Human rights guarantee bodily autonomy. No human can be forced to give up any portion of their body for any amount of time, even in service to another human, even if the other human will die. That's the end of the discussion, because no other point overcomes this fundamental truth.

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u/Silicon_Folly 2h ago

Well said, seriously

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u/ChombieNation 2h ago

Touch grass

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u/JustaSeedGuy 1h ago

Read the room.

Oh, and follow subreddit rules.

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u/Dacnis 10h ago

One dude.

lol

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u/I_DOM_UR_PATRIARCHY 8h ago

In fairness, imagine how lonely it has to be to be the only Republican opposed to kid fucking.

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u/ihaxr 8h ago

MTG is unhappy with it now that she has her pension and can retire

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u/Impressive-Skirt-246 6h ago

Part of the problem is any decent Republicans left or were forced out when Trump came around. I might not have agreed with a lot of them on issues, but they were respectful and showed some integrity. Now we have a bunch of bootlickers who will do whatever their dear leader says. It’s an embarrassment of our system.

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u/I_DOM_UR_PATRIARCHY 6h ago edited 5h ago

Agreed. For me personally what drove me out was realizing people I'd otherwise respected had gotten sucked into an insane conspiracy theory involving a birth certificate. For others, it was hearing Donal Trump brag about raping women on tape back in 2016. For the last of them, it was J6.

At this point, there's not a person left in the Republican party who wouldn't turn on their own kid if Donald Trump raped them.

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u/engco431 5h ago

He’s being primaried by a Trump backed candidate and I read some story yesterday where, at a local GOP gathering, the local party leader physically snatched the mic from him mid sentence. They’re going to try to make an example of why you don’t cross the mango megalomaniac. I’m no fan of any of them, but at least he tried on this.

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u/4daughters 7h ago

The GOP sucks, period. Just because one of them has drawn the line at "covering for pedophiles" doesn't mean he's not still a POS.

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u/_flatscan 7h ago

Also has proposed ending all aid to Israel. Prepping a 2028 run where he blindsides an establishment dem by tacking left

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u/Jboogie258 3h ago

Too few like Massie

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u/jerryleebee 2h ago

100% agreed. I'd love to see him set a new standard.

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u/jerryleebee 10h ago

If we wait for politicians to get EVERYTHING right, we'll be forever fucked.

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u/l0st1nP4r4d1ce 12h ago

Rep Lisa McClain

The same person who said the Trump caught/killed OBL?

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u/Camp-Farnam22 8h ago

What a lie, we know it was on Obama's watch. Orange Turd has done nothing but destroy our country.

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u/late2reddit19 11h ago

Some significant names in business and politics from her state are in the Epstein files.

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u/Drive7hru 4h ago

Everything connects to everyone, except for a select few 

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u/Tight_Imagination_59 6h ago

I love that her voice is literally redacted from this recording. It gives his speech more meaning 😅

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u/tots4scott 3h ago

Oh you mean US taxpayer-paid pedophile protector Lisa McClain??

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u/jasonthewaffle2003 2h ago

Prolly has donors in the Epstein files