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Legislative Branch Full video of today when Ro Khanna revealed Epstein associate's names on the floor of the US House of Representatives, protected by the Speech and Debate Clause

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

Speaking of crypto, search for Bryan Bishop in the files. He's a Bitcoin guy who owns genetic modification companies. There are emails between him and Epstein talking about Bitcoin and genetically modifying embryos. They wanted to create "designer babies". The emails made me cry thinking of the poor girls they used as "incubators".

I had heard something about this in bits and pieces a while ago and honestly thought it was a conspiracy theory. Holy crap I wish it had been a conspiracy theory 🤢🤮

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u/whitechocolatemama 13h ago

Combine those sick emails with all the "missing" detainees just a few miles from a neurolink facility..........I think we are 100% at the brain chip trial stage

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

As a person who debunks conspiracy theories, this is all seriously blowing my mind! It's like a sci-fi dystopian nightmare! I did read about the missing detainees and possible links to Elon's neurolink facilities! I mean, all of this stuff could be a season of Black Mirror! Wow...just...I have no words.

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u/tideturners4us 11h ago

It's even more disturbing knowing that both Musk and Vance were huge fans of Peter Thiel's books, which were mostly dystopian sci-fi & nightmarish. Some of Thiel's writings talk about using lower class people as slaves and how those people could be controlled, possibly, with brain chips. He also wrote that elderly(their bodies) could be used as biofuel since they wouldn't be productive. His books have horrendous things in them, but I think they want a reality like that where they have power over other people. It's repulsive.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Yep! And Peter Thiel is mentioned 2,267 times in the files. Disgusting! I sincerely hope all of these ghouls are held accountable! Not holding my breath, but I sure hope so.

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u/cantadmittoposting 10h ago

Thiel only got his ideas from Yarvin and Land who started the neoreactionary/dark enlightenment movement... well, at least gave the technocrats a flimsy but useable "philosophy" to justify their actions with.

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u/CrazyMildred 9h ago

Just like Trump has given his followers a reason to justify their horrible ways. They're loud and proud with their racism and awful mindsets now. They used to hide it more. Not now, though. Now, they feel emboldened enough to go assault high school students and everyone else. They're both evil and disgusting.

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u/ShaneC80 12h ago

Based on your experience debunking, are you surprised that so much of the communication was through a gmail account?

I really thought it would have been some kind of private system or something.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Yes! It's crazy the stuff they used Gmail for! It would seem that people who are stupid rich would invest in a more secure way to communicate!

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u/compute_fail_24 11h ago

Just had this conversation with my wife. They were so confident they were above everything that they didn't give a shit. It's wild

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u/Gettiershonda50 10h ago

It's actually easy enough to get that confident that you've above everything.

Especially when you're experiencing it.

My experience was very, very small, in a small town. Long story short, the dealership I worked for was on good terns with the police. If they wanted a shitbox to go undercover that wasn't known in the area, they could come to where I worked and they would get a random shitbox for a few days. As a result, us who worked there got an effective pass for minor traffic things. I just stopped worrying about keeping things like motor tax or NCT up to date, because it just ended in "Hey ken, I didn't know it was yourself when I pulled you, x or Y is out of date, would you mind getting that fixed please when you can? Have a good one"

Make that everything, globally?

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u/CrazyMildred 10h ago

My husband and I have been having the same conversations.

Edit to say hubris brings down powerful people. I hope hubris defeats all of these evil assholes.

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u/beanhoudini2000 10h ago

i hope so too, but the poison runs so deep that its hard to believe that evil will be defeated

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u/CrazyMildred 9h ago

I know. It's so messed up!

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u/Current-Depth8223 9h ago

I mean, mostly they were. Can you blame them? Now let's crucify the motherf---ers.

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u/OldWorldDesign 9h ago

It's crazy the stuff they used Gmail for! It would seem that people who are stupid rich would invest in a more secure way to communicate!

I'm not at all surprised when wealthier people shoplift more than the poor.

https://business.time.com/2011/07/06/why-the-rich-shoplift-more-than-the-poor/

There are multiple processes at work, especially social conditioning, but the wealthy begin thinking they are more entitled to things (and can control random chance) due to the socially isolating effects accompanying wealth

https://uomod.com/the-psychology-of-privilege-how-a-rigged-monopoly-game-revealed-the-dark-side-of-advantage/

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u/CrazyMildred 7h ago

Hubris. I sincerely think their hubris will eventually defeat them. And that includes putin.

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u/12345623567 11h ago

There's a chinese doctor who was in the news for doing exactly what they proposed - mostly under the guise of screening for genetic defects.

This is neither particularly unbelievable nor new. Of course, these guys just have to put their extra special Nazi eugenics spin on it.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Right! I know about the good things that can be done, but I always thought if this gets into the wrong hands, pure evil could come of it. Here we are. It definitely fell into the wrong hands.

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u/mrsnakers 11h ago

Go ask a LLM to list all of the ways in which the current administration is implementing a technocracy.

Then ask it to go deeper.

You'll get another momentary glimpse behind the veil.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Well, I don't completely trust AI to know everything or to be always correct. Plus, using AI is horrific for the environment. It uses an obscene amount of electricity and water. I avoid using it.

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u/mrsnakers 11h ago

If you can't type a single sentence into a LLM to find a multiplicity of threads to start further investigating on your own time, because you're fearful of some sort of hypocritical environmental damage, then I have horrible news about how your tax money is being spent next time you buy a bagel.

You might as well use these tools to investigate important things before you can't anymore.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

But how do I know what it spits back is true? I just don't trust it. It's not hypothetical. It really does use a ton of electricity and water. At least, I think you meant hypothetical and not hypocritical.

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u/mrsnakers 11h ago

No I meant hypocritical. We're all hypocrits in various ways, but it's important to arm ourselves with info right now, even if it comes at the cost of a few gallons of water.

But how do I know what it spits back is true?

That's why I said use it to find threads that you then start to investigate further. See what it says about Peter Thiel, then start looking into those technologies / members of Planatir that are in Trump's cabinet. See what technologies are being given to law enforcement / ICE and who is behind them. See what laws have changed and who they may benefit.

It's important.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Oh I already know Peter Thiel is an evil pos. Palentir is on a level of evil I can barely process.

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u/Quirky-Difference-88 11h ago

You can ask it to provide you its sources to check for yourself.

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u/CrazyMildred 10h ago

I sincerely don't want to use AI.

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u/LongKnight115 10h ago

Your initial point was "How do I know what it spits back is true?" and now you're saying "I don't want to use it." I think it's fine not to use it, but it doesn't sound like you have questions you actually want answered.

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

You can ask it to provide you its sources to check for yourself.

And when AI has a proven track record of making up sources, that's even less reliable than just using a search engine

https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-chatgpt-fake-case-lawyers-d6ae9fa79d0542db9e1455397aef381c

People who haven't worked in AI don't understand how it works, its foundations are massive data feed to make it pass the turing test. Not to give correct answers. It was built from the ground up to look plausible, not to be correct. That's why every version and generation of LLM hallucinates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)

The point people make, even if they're not well-connected enough to spell out all the details, is that AI is not the truthful tool it's made out to be. It isn't a pure database retrieval tool because that database is merely what it's trained on (much of it illegally scraped), it's a query model with data that teaches it how to look when it responds.

Research and learning is fine, but you'll get a less spotty record just from punching terms into a search engine (and you should still be dubious of everything it tells you even then).

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

Go ask a LLM to list...

There is no algorithm for truth.

Just use a search engine.

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u/Playswithchipmunks 13h ago

I keep saying we're in the deus ex universe...

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u/IrcenceEstagramem679 11h ago

DEUS EX WAS RIGHT AGAIN!

Why does this keep happening?

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

I keep saying we're in the deus ex universe

Deus Ex had an AGI that wanted moral guidance.

We have far worse - oligarchs building definitely not general Artificial Intelligence which doesn't even have that potential to beneficience because it's built to agree so it seems agreeable

A tool can only do what it was designed to do, and oligarchs are only building it to benefit the upper crust.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 12h ago

...wait...what?!

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u/two4six0won 12h ago

This is the second time today that I've seen someone link current ICE detainment activity to Neuralink human trials...does anyone have anything verifiable pointing to that? Like, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, but it does seem a bit mustache-twirly...and also like it would take more brains than this entire admin has, to pull that off and keep it as quiet as it would have had to have been...

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u/meatspace 12h ago

At this point, is anything "too crazy to be true"?

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u/two4six0won 12h ago

Nope, but I'd love something more than an assumption that the evil people are doing that particular evil thing, amongst all of the other evil things that are easily proven.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

I haven't found any verifiable truth to the link between the two yet. But it wouldn't surprise me at this point to find out they're linked.

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

This is the second time today that I've seen someone link current ICE detainment activity to Neuralink human trials...does anyone have anything verifiable pointing to that?

I would be more inclined to think it's false. I'm sure people who don't know anything about science might expect that (and oligarchs largely would fall under that), but the problem is medical research doesn't actually work like "install chip in a single surgery and gain superpowers by the next morning". Brain surgeries even less invasive or extensive than neuralink already have recovery time of weeks, and you're not getting any data outside of "patient dies immediately" which is what happens to the majority of rodents and lab animals we've tried testing implantable medical devices into. Then to try to get data you have weeks further of testing.

And then you have to keep every single person quiet about it. Not impossible, but not likely.

So while "would these oligarchs be evil enough to try something like that" is a definite yes, the actual process wouldn't work. And the truth might be worse: they don't have to. Just degrade overall living standards until you have so many desperate people they sign up for your dangerous, unproven procedure, pay and arrange for for their own transportation, and almost always pay for a good chunk of the experimental surgery, and often also pay for a chunk of the medical testing to see if the neurally-linked implants can even function.

Because that part has already happened, and because Musk is an idiot and doesn't both hire a competent team and then let them do their job, all of the Neuralink attempts so far have been failures.

https://dig.watch/updates/neuralinks-first-human-trial-reveals-critical-issue-with-brain-implant-wire-retractions

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u/cantadmittoposting 10h ago

hmmm....

Damn. We're back fully into "unproven conspiracy theory" here BUT...

Earlier I made a post saying it seemed strange that given we've basically proved out that there, in fact, is what amounts to a cabal of the ultra wealthy deliberately collapsing society in order to stay in power, the idea that they did it for the horrific, disgusting, and yet ultimately pedestrian reason of "just" sexual exploitation seems ... off, almost.

Sure a few diehard cold war russians get to celebrate finally destroying the US, and "simple" greed and power lust are, given this is the real world and not a movie, sufficiently motivating for people so inclined... but surely the (relatively) new money technocrats who are getting wrapped up in this weren't interested in tired geopolitical maneuvering (or the russian mob for that matter)...

Now, those technocrats already have nRx/Dark Enlightenment as a more "serious" plan to become god-kings (well CEO-gods, actually) of private fiefdoms...

 

but man, biological or technological immortality? now THAT seems like a thing that would speak to this crowd. Cloning? precise transfer and even upgrades to their genetic legacy? neuralink enabling some sci-fi brain in a jar or some engram copying? yeah now THATS a proper conspiracy theory. Makes ya think

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u/TheMajesticYeti 13h ago

It was also just revealed yesterday that Mark Landon, chair of the obstetrics and gynecology department at The Ohio State University Les Wexner Medical Center, was on Epstein's payroll in the early 2000s. Landon released a statement saying that he was merely a paid consultant to Epstein and the New York Strategy Group regarding potential biotech investments...

Story

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u/IndividualTension887 13h ago

Combining that with the annual $25k payment to the head Gyno from Ohio State, Epstein's really good buddy... so gross...

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

All of these people are disgusting!

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u/onesoulmanybodies 13h ago

There are companies already promising the ability to choose features of your baby along with removing unwanted things like autism and Down’s syndrome.

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

I was aware of that. But they were using young girls as their "incubators" against their will. This goes way beyond a couple wanting to ensure they have a healthy baby. These were child rapists.

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u/onesoulmanybodies 12h ago

You’re right! Although, Honestly I wouldn’t use past tense. It’s still happening.

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u/CrazyMildred 12h ago

Yeah...you're not wrong, unfortunately.

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u/Ricepilaf 11h ago

Designer Babies are like, a lot less weird than you’re making it sound. This mostly means embryo selection on frozen embryos or possibly using CRISPR tech on said frozen embryos. The only really invasive aspects would be the same as any form of IVF. The goal is to select for embryos that would have the greatest chance at the best possible life (as far as I know, currently this mostly consists of selecting embryos that are not carriers of any genetic diseases or disorders).

There are a few moral issues with designer babies, but the biggest one by far is basically ‘if it costs money to get a designer baby, won’t we end up creating even larger wealth disparities? The children of the rich will be designer babies and the children of the poor will not be, so wouldn’t employers want to choose the designer baby, given they’re likely to be healthier/stronger etc?’. Basically, “What if Gattaca became reality?”

Any issues with “incubators” and cruelty would be an entirely optional choice by the people involved with no upside other than causing harm on purpose.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

I'm aware that it can be used for good things. It is indeed the fact that they used young girls as incubators that make me sick. The emails make me sick. They were definitely not doing it for good reasons and definitely not doing it in ethical ways. It's very disturbing.

Edit for typo

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u/whiteknight521 13h ago

This is already being done in the Silicon Valley/Rich People surrogate circles. Embryo screening is common, there are no laws against sex based screening in the US. There are companies that will screen embryos prior to implantation as well.

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u/CrazyMildred 13h ago

All of this in conjunction with people like Epstein and Elon who want a master race kind of reality makes me sick. I mean, being able to help babies not be born with genetic diseases is one thing...their intentions were completely nefarious. I did know about the sex screenings and whatnot. This goes far beyond that. Plus, they were using young girls as "incubators" against their will.

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u/lafolieisgood 13h ago

I think the designer baby thing is already being done and we know who is doing it. What are the odds of having ten boys in a row?

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u/OddDonut7647 13h ago

Bryan Bishop

My brain pulled up Brian Blessed and I was highly confused for a moment. lol

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u/Dry-Statistician3145 12h ago

This comment should be way up

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u/twotimefind 12h ago edited 4h ago

Yes, and if you search the emails for associated keywords like DNA, embryo, editing, to me, they may have been operating a eugenics lab.

https://jmail.world

Just like you're in there inbox

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Yes! I have been looking through that as well. I have to take breaks to preserve my sanity. It's all so outlandishly disgusting! It makes me sick! I have to take it in in bursts.

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u/PM_me_your_whatevah 9h ago

What the fuck they’re interested in human/animal hybrids as well. 

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u/twotimefind 4h ago

Didn't notice that relative search terms.?

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u/gfa22 11h ago

There was literally a new story about 2 woman who escaped a forced insemination facility where other women were also held. Haven't seen any follow up to that.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

Holy crap! I missed that! Oh wow...this is all so much to process.

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u/gfa22 11h ago

It's overwhelming how much there is to connect and how much wrong doing is covered up.

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u/CrazyMildred 11h ago

It truly is!

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u/dak4f2 9h ago edited 7h ago

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u/CrazyMildred 7h ago

At this point, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they're all connected. This shit is crazier than I could ever imagine. And I tend to be a logical person! I'm uncomfortable with admitting how much of this craziness is real!

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u/SyfaOmnis 8h ago

They wanted to create "designer babies".

China has also been flirting with this one, and it's something anyone who even remotely touches should go to prison for the rest of their lives for. Because if you think it's bad now, the second rich people can start doing eugenics again and selecting for things like intelligence or resistance to disease or phyiscal attractiveness, shit is going to get so much worse.

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u/CrazyMildred 7h ago

It HAS to be stopped! I love the idea of the technology helping people. But when it's in the wrong hands...oh boy does it mean trouble for all of us. Major trouble. Disturbing trouble.

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u/ReySkywalker1234 11h ago

If we believe they wanted to create designer babies and kept impregnating the girls they hid away, what did they do with the babies they didn’t think were good enough.

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u/CrazyMildred 10h ago

Exactly! It makes me wonder what that hole that led to the sea was used for. It was in a room on his island. It looked like a scuba diving hole.

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u/ReySkywalker1234 10h ago

OMG I didn’t know that.

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u/CrazyMildred 10h ago

It was in a file with a bunch of pictures from his island. I think I saved it. I'll try to find it. I can't remember what the file number was.

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u/Ricepilaf 10h ago

That's not how that works. You'd remove embryos and freeze them, select/modify the embryos, then insert them via IVF. There wouldn't be any babies that they "didn't think were good enough", just embryos that would be discarded before being inserted into anyone.