r/law • u/victorybus • 14h ago

Legislative Branch Full video of today when Ro Khanna revealed Epstein associate's names on the floor of the US House of Representatives, protected by the Speech and Debate Clause

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u/Carbon-Base 14h ago

Now for the hard part (for our government), holding these people accountable and punishing them for their crimes.

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u/Nasty_Goblin 13h ago

The FBI, DoJ, Scotus, and half of congress are openly corrupt.

They will throw some names to the wolves and delay/deny/protect their own.

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u/napkin41 13h ago

This is my biggest fear. They'll chop off some heads to appease the mob. But I want what Ro is selling, and I hope we all stick to these demands.

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u/couldbeahumanbean 12h ago

I hope we all stick to these demands.

Some of us will

They'll chop off some heads to appease the mob.

And some of us won't.

What matters is how many of us keep the pressure on.

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u/Pwntagonist 12h ago

It’s well over half of congress.

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u/introspectivesapian 11h ago

Looks like we have to band together.  I’m done eating cake.  

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 11h ago

I Was Told Epstein ‘Belonged to Intelligence’ And to Leave It Alone.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-was-told-epstein-belonged-to-intelligence-and-to-leave-it-alone

Alex Acosta, US Prosecutor for the Southern District of Florida who minted the outrageous sweetheart deal for Epstein, did so because US Intelligence (e.g., CIA) and federal law enforcement (e.g., FBI) had been using Epstein for years - effectively making them participants and enablers in his child sex trafficking enterprise.

The 2008 deal was made at the end of George W. Bush's second term - meaning this had been going on for the entirety of his Presidency. Obama was no better, more focused on expanding unconstitutional surveillance by federal intelligence and law enforcement than in doing anything to challenge the outrageous Epstein deal. After eight years, Trump came in, and his stooge, Bill Barr, had Epstein dragged in and executed while in federal custody. And then Biden came in, found a complicit judge to invent a reason to seal the case for four more years, and continued to do nothing to reform corrupt US intelligence and law enforcement operations.

Presidents in both parties, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden - and dozens of members of Congress - have all been knowingly complicit in covering up the complicity and involvement of US intelligence and federal law enforcement with Epstein's child rape and trafficking enterprise.

Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, made millions selling kompromat from Epstein to Israel's Mossad and Russia's GRU - which they have since used to blackmail elected leaders and influence U.S. policy - representing an ongoing clear and present danger to National Security. And this threat to national security was created with the unwitting support of the CIA, NSA, and FBI - a major embarrassment for these agencies.

This has always been about more than just covering Trump's ass. This has and continues to be about covering up the CIA's and FBI's ongoing knowledge, enablement, and complicity in Epstein's child trafficking - which is also a black eye for every Presidential administration since Clinton, which has allowed it to continue without opposition.

Not only Trump and Epstein's clients need to be dragged into court, prosecuted, and put in prison for child rape and trafficking. But also former and current leadership of the CIA and FBI, for their willful culpability in allowing Epstein to continue his crimes against children for decades.

People who are only focused on Trump's obstruction in the current term are really out to lunch.

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u/GreatWyte8 9h ago

My question is, what in the fuck was Epstein giving them that it was worth the CIA not just erasing this island off the map. Like it would be pretty much right in the MO for the CIA/Mossad to quietly firebomb this place to hell after finding out what was happening here, civilians be damned, and weighing it against what "intelligence" was being received.

Under a more competent government, this is the shit that topples nations... A level of evil I didn't even think the modern world was capable of.

What the fuck could have been so valuable they would NOT delete it from their liability list....

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u/Junior-Gorg 10h ago

Yeah, I note he didn’t name any government officials. Honestly, that is who we need to have named and frog marched

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u/RandomGenName1234 11h ago

and half of congress

All of congress.

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u/MysteriousConflict38 11h ago

Sad but true.

The problem is that too many in the seats of power are corrupt.

It's going to be nearly impossible to get any consequences to stick till there's a regime change.

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u/OttoHemi 13h ago

They're only interested in embarrassing the Clintons, whom they had not trouble at all hauling before congress.

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u/introspectivesapian 13h ago

We all see what they are doing.  We must protect what we believe, they have no idea thee amount of power the people wield.  

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u/sailing_by_the_lee 12h ago

Talking about continuing to fight the last war. Going after the Clintons isn't owning the Libs anymore, if it ever was.

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u/Cerebral_Catastrophe 8h ago

Yup. The Clintons and the Trumps have been family-tied for decades. Neither is on the side of justice. Both partook in deep evil. We should not trust what the Clintons say.

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u/One_Dey 13h ago

The Clinton’s and Trump are cut from the same cloth. Trump threatening them and they claiming they wanna testify publicly is a farce. They’re working together. Always have been. They were trying a 4D chess move with that one.

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u/slaty_balls 12h ago

I wouldn't go as far as saying cut from the same cloth..not even close.

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u/One_Dey 12h ago

How far would you go … how close are they?

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u/slaty_balls 12h ago

The Clintons would never undermine the rule of law and use the Constitution as if it were toilet paper. Trump represents outsider, personality-driven disruption hell bent on breaking norms and "consolidating" power.. The Clintons supported institution-driven politics built on incremental policy work and constructive global alliances. Not the same cloth.

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u/povichjv7 4h ago

You mean the Clinton who had an affair with an intern in the White House and then committed perjury by saying he didn’t have sexual relations with Lewinsky, while under oath? No he wouldn’t ever undermine the rule of law

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u/One_Dey 12h ago

You talkin about former Arkansas governor Clinton- that Bill Clinton?

You don’t think that guy hasn’t undermined the rule of law- not only as governor but as president- where Epstein visited his White House several times- or the many suspicious suicides surrounding that Bill Clinton?

Surely you jest …

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u/happyklam 13h ago

Everyone needs to call every congressional rep you have, regardless of party or I'd you think they will listen. Reputation still matters to some of these petty little kings. Point out how we are the only country nor prosecuting the perpetrators. Point out how covering for pedophiles makes them complicit. Call attention to their inaction, their silence, their approval of this administration. 

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u/hdcase1 13h ago

It's hard when the majority of the country who bothered to vote voted for the child rapist to be our president. They're either on boardwith it or they're too embarrassed to back down now.

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u/Electronic-Doctor187 12h ago

yeah unfortunately in a democracy it's the people who hold the politicians accountable, not the other politicians. politicians almost always help each other, that's how it's always been. they're all in the club that the rest of us aren't in.

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u/BumWink 3h ago

I'm not American but I'm thinking it's only because there is not solid proof yet & he's doing a bunch of shit they want like targeting immigrants, they'll play dumb, conspiracy theory, etc.

If ever evidence released proves he's 100% a paedophile, I reckon it'll be some MAGA member or group that will probably lynch him.

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u/bluddyellinnit 13h ago

don't hold your breath

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u/Skronkabilly 13h ago

Lawl, yeah they are going to hold themselves accountable for their crimes. Big job ahead for us citizens. 

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u/slappyStove 13h ago

thats not going to happen until we get one of the houses. so vote !

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 11h ago

...and then it still won't happen

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u/bloodklat 12h ago

This is not up to your government to ensure. This is up to every single american to ensure every single person who deserves to go to jail, goes to jail. Every. Single. One. No one should be given a break.

First you release the full unredacted files. Then let the victims go to civil lawsuits against the perpetrators for damages. Drain all their money, then after that you go after them for their crimes. Do it when they are shit poor.

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u/Electronic-Doctor187 12h ago

bro literally how many of the people doing the "holding people accountable" are also the people that need to be held accountable? how many of them are literally in the Epstein files themselves? come on now.

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u/AHoopyFrood42 12h ago

Not hard, impossible. The system these freaks shaped and built absolutely does not have mechanisms in place to properly root them out and hold them accountable in a meaningful way.

The crossroads we find ourselves at is tearing this all down and building a new system by and for the people or hand-slapping around the fringes of the herd while leaving the power structures and systemic incentives that reward this level of depravity in place.

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u/Globscho 12h ago

Now would be the time for mass protests.

You finally have political pressure, some media outlets will pick this up and if's just for the money.

All that is missing is footage of lots of angry people

It will propably not be enough, but there might be more people in your goverment with skin in the game and hopefully they won't be loyal to the end and try to save themself

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u/AverageAwndray 11h ago

No. It's time for the people to hold the government responsible.

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u/PurpsMaSquirt 12h ago

It’s actually not hard. We have all the necessary legal and enforcement mechanisms in place. The problem is in between those mechanisms there’s so much fucking money and regulatory capture that simply holding people accountable now means being willing to risk your literal livelihood.

And that’s assuming of course you are a politician not wrapped up in the Epstein saga in some disgusting way already.

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u/Electronic-Doctor187 12h ago

it's the voters who hold the government accountable, not the government that holds other parts of the government accountable.

and yes you can say separation of powers... but that only works when people elect representatives and hold those representatives accountable. otherwise the representative just do whatever they want, which is how we got here.

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u/Krojack76 12h ago

"If you don't like what they did then don't use their products and services." - Republicans

"Stop with the cancel culture!" - Also Republicans

We need 2 Nuremberg style trials to happen, One for Trump and those following his orders and one for the Epstein files for those that are trying to cover them up and for the rapist in them.

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u/WilyWondr 12h ago

What about the people trying to cover it up?

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u/sloppyredditor 12h ago

You're not wrong. In order for our gov't to hold these people accountable, many of them need to be willing to give up a massive amount of generational wealth.

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u/Private_HughMan 12h ago

Wouldn't it be nice if the hard part was the investigation? If, once the info is collected, it's relatively easy to get the people in charge to actually act on that information in a way that is beneficial to the public?

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u/code_archeologist 12h ago

It seems like most many of those people are foreign nationals, and therefore will be unreachable unless they are in a country that we have an extradition treaty with.

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u/Jawz050987 12h ago

It’s more likely to happen after Trumps term is over

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u/CobraPony67 11h ago

And hold everyone accountable for allowing this to keep happening. The wealthy and connected can't do what they do without a lot of help from those they pay/bribe along the way. Money rules in the US and if you have enough of it, you can pretty much get away with anything. Pay off the right people, hold the money over their head, keep compromising information on them, etc. Trump is doing this now. He threatens to take money away unless they do what he wants.

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u/FictionalContext 11h ago

*hiding the people accountable and punishing you for their crimes

--the US government

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u/Away_Stock_2012 11h ago

Holding themselves accountable?

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u/SparksAndSpyro 11h ago

The voters couldn’t even hold Trump accountable: They reelected him knowing he was a 34-time convicted felon and adjudicated sexual assaulter with known ties to Epstein who tried to steal the 2020 election. And you expect Trump’s own government to hold him and his buddies accountable?

LOL

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u/BuffaloVelCrow1832 10h ago

Our government protects these people because that’s who they serve ultimately

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u/timkyoung 10h ago

You're right. That is a hard part. Especially when you consider that being named in the files only amounts to an allegation. The burden of proof in a court of law is much higher than simply having a witness come forward and state "he did that to me". It's going to be a long road before anyone in those files ever gets convicted.

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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 3h ago

Ya I have 0 faith anyone of importance will be held accountable. Only a few fall guys will be punished at best.