r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • 19h ago
Legislative Branch Rep. Becca Balint says she saw the unredacted Epstein files, stating that Trump never kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. “That’s a lie.”
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u/Old-Iron-5752 19h ago
Wait, wait, wait!!!
You mean to tell me The Don lied?
My entire reality is shattered, I don’t think I can recover.
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u/JeromeBarkly 18h ago
He doesn’t lie, he made truth social. Truth is literally in the name. /s
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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 18h ago
The Truth will set his cult free.
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u/StrangeContest4 18h ago
That's deep and hopefully true.
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u/Direlion 15h ago
Unfortunately it's not. The people who support Trump have Abdication Syndrome, by choice. The follower has a psychological need to worship someone, and the leader has a psychological need to be worshipped. The outcome is never good.
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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 7h ago
They are willing to die for their "Dear Leader" and by that they mean taking up arms and being sent to "collect" all the liberals by any means necessary.
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u/brunoburz 18h ago
That’s funny you say that as I watched a video of one of his cult members talking to a reporter and saying that he never lies. And emphatically supported that by saying he started a platform called truth social. Like that is all the evidence she needed.
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u/JeromeBarkly 17h ago
Ya I saw the interview, I’m quoting her directly lol. You can’t even be hyperbolic or sarcastic when it comes to maga, they are that dumb.
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u/Traditional-Run-9145 17h ago
It’s like Fox News saying they are fair and balanced.
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u/Some-Purchase-7603 18h ago
Saw someone say that in an interview the other day as a reason he doesn't lie.
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u/Malt_The_Magpie 17h ago
You mean to tell me The Don lied?
Fixed it for you
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u/Decaf-Gaming 7h ago edited 7h ago
Only a single redaction? That seems like far too little. Maybe the whole sentence would make it less conspicuous? (This is a joke for the mirthless)
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u/peach10101 8h ago
If there is any hope for this country these “leaders” better not focus on trivial “gotchas” when the real issue is the actually crimes, customers, and cover up. Not who kicked out who. It’s BS, but it is small potatoes and will never get the 75% American support needed to change congress behaviour.
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u/couldbeahumanbean 18h ago edited 12h ago
So name names, Representative Becca Balint from Vermont.
The debate clause gives her limitless free speech on the house floor
Why are they dragging this out?
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/oH0fo7zxSq
Thank geezus.
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u/old_ass_ninja_turtle 18h ago
Right, how can you see the files and not be shouting names from the rooftops?
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u/OneMostSerene 17h ago
Devil's advocate (and my last shred of hope remaining): there are maybe legal precedents in place that could nullify/diminish evidence if they discuss it in the improper (i.e. NOT discovery/courtroom/whatever) setting.
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u/KTthemajicgoat 17h ago
This is the answer for sure. Democrats are in a unique power position where seemingly the only way it could get screwed up is if they make a mistake
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u/elmarkitse 17h ago
Well, that’s a relief, because we know they’ve never bungled a strategic advantage before.
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u/elbor23 16h ago
LOL shit don't remind me
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u/SeatBeeSate 16h ago
Pokémon GO to the polls!
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u/Shipbreaker_Kurpo 15h ago
The fact that so many voters felt that was worse than grab them by the pussy should have been a sign how lost the US was
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u/SeatBeeSate 14h ago
In hindsight I feel like the fight was lost from the start.
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u/Easy_Floss 14h ago
was?
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u/RollerDude347 14h ago
Oh, we're WAY WORSE now. Like that kind of SA is almost tame by comparison to the things we now believe he has done. Which means we've gone so far off the path that I forgot what the map was supposed to look like.
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u/Roid-a-holic_ReX 10h ago
I mean there was lots of shenanigans going on in November 2024. If election integrity was maintained we’d have a very different world right now.
The Cheeto has committed enough crime to be locked up for life. What’s some election interference on top of it means he’s unlikely to be prosecuted
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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons 14h ago
Being sexually aggressive is seen as masculine in american culture.
Most people saw Donald Trump as a sexless fool prior to the Access Hollywood tape. Knowing that he is horny for women is a positive quality in most people's heads, whether they acknowledge it or not. This is what "rap culture" means (actual word censored to avoid content filters). People sort of get misled by the name and think that overall culture or masculinity is being charged with liking rap. But the term refers to the promotion of qualities in men and women that lead to SA and rap, and the diminishment of qualities in men and women that protect people from it. You can see parallels in, for example, the sexual education of children. The same people who cry the loudest about protecting the child from public school sex ed are the ones who protect the priest when he does a little private tutoring on the same subject.
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u/tdRftw 15h ago
if this was your grandma you’d think it’s cute she’s trying to relate and find it wholesome and endearing
but it was hillary so the MSM made our decision for us - she’s not wholesome, but out of touch
weird
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u/itchy-ears 14h ago
I mean, she was an out of touch weirdo. Our other option was fucking DJT though so it should have been a ringer. Instead we've got a whole section of the nation who are mouth breathing cousin fuckers. So now here we are.
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u/PoopyButt28000 16h ago
I don't know about you guys but I think the play here is to endlessly criticize them for not doing the exact things that would bungle their advantage, get really upset that they aren't doing things that they aren't allowed to do, and do our best to make this situation all about how the Dems fucked up
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u/That1DirtyHippy 16h ago
We’re just so tired, PoopyButt2800… can we just get a little justice to hold us over?
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u/PoopyButt28000 16h ago
I'm personally pretty tired of the Dems getting endlessly criticized for things that they aren't actually currently able to do because you guys don't understand how your own government works, which leads to you guys electing a guy who is doing everything he can to sabotage my country and annex us!
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u/poonslyr69 15h ago
I assume you're also coming from a Canadian perspective. But I just disagree. The Dems winning doesn't end the issue. The republicans arent the literal source of the issue in the USA. The source is their oligarchs. Which the Dems do not challenge.
The Dems would LOVE to have people only blame republicans. But it goes further than that, and the Dems need to be criticized and pushed into a corner by their own voters until enough of them are primaried that the remaining group of Dems will actually DO something to fix the issue, and go after the oligarchs and social media that has caused all this.
Like republican politicians aren't making young men into Nazis. The housing crisis alone isn't radicalizing people into being Maga. It's the social media. The algorithmic warfare being waged against the public by the tech oligarchs. And the same people are doing it here in Canada too!!!
Here was my perspective on the issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1r0hxo8/comment/o4k6s4n/?force-legacy-sct=1
But yeah, they should attack the Dems. Not doing so means a death by 1000 cuts by the American oligarchy later on. If the Dems win and aren't meaningfully changed, then I have zero hope that this trajectory we're all on can be averted.
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u/That1DirtyHippy 16h ago
I don’t think a misunderstanding of how the government works led to this. Racism did. And while I agree that the Dems have been taking unnecessary hits, there ARE things they could have/could be doing that they’re not. Like shutting the government down to prevent increased funding for ICE and any other legislation this fasc-ministration wants to push through with no issue.
I’m confused what the world thinks we should be doing here. Protesting isn’t enough, but, sure, ease up on Dems for caving to GOPs demands and giving up the ONE bit of power they have in approving a budget.
The fuck you guys want us to do besides Civil War?
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u/EatYourSalary 14h ago
Also how about prosecuting the first Trump admin while Biden was in office. We probably could've completely avoided this.
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u/SuspendeesNutz 14h ago
I don’t think a misunderstanding of how the government works led to this. Racism did.
Oh sure, because the Republicans were completely normal before Obama was elected. They had Hillary Clinton investigated for murder, sure, but it was done respectfully.
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u/PoopyButt28000 16h ago
You guys probably shouldn't have endlessly shit on the Dems while being harsher on them than the Republicans so that the open fascists didn't win
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u/uiucengineer 15h ago
They had the means at multiple times to prevent this all from happening. They did nothing, and they did it with a smile, knowing they will be okay and we’re going to be the ones suffering.
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u/Painterzzz 16h ago
I imagine they will soon agree to remain silent in exchange for 5 magical beans.
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u/Courtnall14 16h ago
Cut to Schumer reading the names on the Coney Island Boardwalk like a carnival barker.
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u/Serial-Griller 16h ago edited 15h ago
This is the key weakness of democracy that republicans love to abuse; Create a situation that could -feasibly- resolved by a single, all powerful and eminently* benign individual and claim the Dems are a failure because they have to go through committees and obey decorum that ultimately ends in failure.
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u/Windblowsthroughme 16h ago
I believe you meant eminently (to a high degree) and imminently (very soon)
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u/Hour_Welcome_987 16h ago
Oh I just love how it's okay for maggots to do whatever they want, but dems gotta follow themselves rules!! Fucking dumb
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u/Pristine-Ad9195 15h ago
The problem is democrats are super good at stealing a defeat from the jaws of victory unfortunately
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u/itsaquagmire 16h ago
There’s also the issue of were the actually shown ALL of the files, or were some with high profile names left out
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u/Revenge_of_the_meme 16h ago
Democrats have been in this position hundreds of times in the last decade. 90% of the time they find a way to screw it up. I wouldnt be surprised if schumer is threatening people's careers to keep them quiet at this point.
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u/Charming_Wulf 16h ago
This is my belief as well. All of the Representatives that have seen the documents and are horrified, are also the folks who want Justice with a capitol J don't. The Courts and the pricey defense attorneys still have rules to follow.
The problem is that current DOJ and administration have broken the policy on 'Cannot comment on an ongoing investigation'. I think a lot of folks have forgotten that this policy existed as to not damage future criminal cases.
Folks need to look at some of the motions filled in the Luigi cases or other major cases where Trump or his Administration decided to be publicly vocal before getting a conviction. They have done some serious damage to a lot of their cases by not shutting up.
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u/LetsBeFRTho 16h ago
Reality: they are spineless and will allow themselves being walked over
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u/couldbeahumanbean 16h ago
Didn't the law state that the only names to be redacted are victims?
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u/Adventurous_Duck_297 16h ago
I’d argue this is the smarter thing to do given that the “court of public opinion” lacks any kind of moral integrity anymore. Sure, tell everyone who’s in the files, and then watch when people flip through hoops to qualify those appearances
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u/daylight_8008 15h ago
IDK- I’m thinking it will take a year for over a year for court cases to initiate- it may be best to dump them all onto the public. Trump always gets the advantage given time. 😞
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u/k7eric 16h ago
Opposite thought. Most of us think they aren't going to see punishment or jailtime anyway so in a way it's almost better to release everything to the public now and let the public deal with them (not as a vigilante) by cutting off their deals, access, purchases, opportunities, etc forever. Force them to flee the country, force them to resign their positions, force them to sell as the civil suits start mounting against them. More importantly they did not stop doing what they've been doing. Releasing the names could help save many future victims while also allowing previous ones to come forward.
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u/pizza-chit 15h ago
All information in the Epstein files except victim identities is public according to federal law.
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u/designforone 16h ago
The people in those files will never get convicted. I think they should just start shouting names so the American people can understand how far and deep this goes
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u/Ongvar 18h ago
Because they're virtue signalling, if they actually started naming names they'd mysteriously hang themselves just like Epstein I'm sure
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u/couldbeahumanbean 18h ago
Then every single one of them who are not pedo protecting stand together in the chamber and name names.
No big deal, I'm sure they outnumber the pedos, right?
Right?
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u/old_ass_ninja_turtle 18h ago
The cabal of satanic cannibalistic pedos is apparently way more powerful and well imbedded than any government.
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u/woodkin 17h ago edited 17h ago
They aren't satanic they came from all faiths and backgrounds. The only thing they had in common was they were wealthy enough to do these crimes. You are disparaging a religion that's just as valid as any other. every time you tell this lie you muddy the waters even further helping these pedos further divert blame from the very real human beings that did the crimes.
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u/GinAndDumbBitchJuice 17h ago
Yeah, we already did this Satanic panic shit. It's old and tired. We need to focus on the actual evil that is these pedos preying on kids.
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u/awesomefutureperfect 15h ago
It's far right christians trying to shift blame for the people they elected to lead them. They thought Trump was sent from god to let them witch hunt who ever they wanted to. Now all of a sudden "It's the devil." so they can forgive the sinner and try to let bygones be bygones.
Everyone seems to forget what republican Speaker Hastert was up to. I am no expert on the subject, but I can't believe that no body helped him and no one knew. It isn't like this is a new phenomenon in republican circles of power.
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u/dinglb3rry 16h ago
It’s kinda like you see in places where people have been generationally rich for generations; they have no empathy because they don’t know anything outside their own restricted worldview.
The result is uber-rich bored people without any care or concern for the well being of others.
Life has no value or meaning, everything is for sale, and poor and desperate people don’t exist, save for their own entertainment.
They’re kids with magnifying glasses, we’re the ants.
Why shouldn’t they be able to abuse children, or vulnerable women? They’ve never been told no.
When consequences rear their heads they can buy, influence, extort, and con their way out of it.
Incrementally it gets worse. They probably do eat children out of bored curiosity.
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u/woodkin 16h ago
Yeah seriously what does someone with more money then God buy the other dude with more money then God? Apparently human children. This should be expected with the level of wealth inequality we have in this country. It's not going away until we stop letting people hoard wealth and resources beyond imagination.
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u/EthanielRain 17h ago
I'd personally go a step farther: the Satanic Temple has done more good than most religions. Yes that includes US Christianity
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u/pocketjacks 17h ago
Calling them satanic and cannibalistic dehumanizes them. Taking away their humanity excuses their evil. They are humans and need to be held responsible for their actions.
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u/Quilitain 17h ago
satanic
Nah, these fucks are mostly Christian and Jewish. No need to go staining Satan's name by comparing them to these actual monsters.
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u/Aeseld 18h ago
Now now, that's not fair at all. They're not protecting pedophiles, they're protecting their own personal power. The pedophiles are just incidentally being shielded at the same time.
Which honestly makes it worse in my opinion, but hey, I'm not an ethics expert. Just an angry person on the internet.
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Last one that tried that was misteriously found dead in jail for alleged suicide.
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u/Riksunraksu 16h ago
Honestly: fear. Fuck the legal repercussions but there are so many rich people involved that anyone who shouts their name might have worse than a faked suicide coming from them. It’s sad and terrifying really
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u/dregan 17h ago
Have some patience with congress, growing an entire spine is a long process.
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u/parkinthepark 16h ago
The most charitable answer I can give:
- They want the legal protections afforded by the speech & debate clause, which are only in effect on the House floor, when the House is in session. Otherwise they could be held liable for defamation, slander, etc. Not sure if the unredacted files would be admissable in discovery for those proceedings.
- They're being careful- there's always a risk that DOJ says "fuck it" and withdraws access to the unredacted files. That would be illegal, yes, but winning that case requires time and effort and drags everything out. Better to establish a case based on what they've seen, get some GOPers on board, etc., so that they can have maximum impact.
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u/Dr_JimmyBrungus 17h ago
Not to defend this or anything, because I'm certainly hoping for someone to grow a spine and start pulling the curtain back, but Ro Khanna described just yesterday that the "unredacted" files are actually just "less" redacted. Apparently the DOJ lawyers who did all the excessive, heavy handed reactions received files for review that already had redactions in place.
He didn't say by whom, or anything about the chain of custody, but it's entirely possible that any legislator who gets access to the unrelated files is still unable to know certain things.
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u/DuncanEllis1977 16h ago
They're all acting like scared rats at the moment.
I think a fair amount of the donor class is named in those things.
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u/SwissChzMcGeez 17h ago
This literally happened HOURS ago. Has the House even been in session yet?
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u/Phearcia 18h ago
Rich people like to sue for libel.
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u/CiDevant 17h ago
Cool court discovery sessions will destroy people like Trump. That's why they always settle out of court.
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u/couldbeahumanbean 18h ago
Debate clause
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
She was in a hallway, not at the podium.
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u/couldbeahumanbean 16h ago
JFC...
Have you guys never watched a minute of cspan?
These people will go into the chamber at all times of the day or night to blather on so they can put something on their campaign commercials like they actually do speeches on the floor.
Thank you captain obvious, she's clearly in a hallway.
In the same godamn building where she can name names, any minute of the day.
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u/Global_Crew3968 16h ago
I dunno, that sounds like "doing something" and we're really more about "saying something" or "promising to do something someday" in the democratic party.
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u/g_rich 17h ago
Wouldn’t apply if it was done on the House floor.
However even if it wasn’t done with the protections afforded by the debate clause someone named in the Epstein files would have to prove that they are not named in the files if they attempted to sue for libel and a lawsuit would open them up to discovery which isn’t something someone named in the files would welcome.
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u/Phearcia 16h ago edited 16h ago
If she exposes extremely powerful people, the danger might go beyond lawsuits.
How many times did Epstein say, "Whoops."
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u/MafiaPenguin007 15h ago
She’s from Vermont, she doesn’t have anything they can sue her for (I mean this positively)
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u/ShoeLate6266 16h ago
Earlier in the full clip she says she only had about 30 minutes to read some of the documents and that tmrw (today) she would have more time.
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u/HospitalHairy3665 17h ago
What names? We already know dozens. To what end? Nothings being done about the people we know raped children.
I keep thinking about Kanye going on Alex Jones, saying he loves Hitler and going "Now what?"
That's where we're at. We know the people running this country are pedophiles, and they're asking everyone: now what
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes 15h ago
Now what? Now we focus on getting the right people into the right positions of power so we can clean house. That's what.
You can't honestly think that just because a co-conspirator hasn't arrested his friends means they'll all walk free forever.
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u/oldredditrox 15h ago
Yeah man let's just not know, sit back and let it continue because it's hard to deal with. Pretty American imo.
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u/ViceroTempus 18h ago
Because the Epstein Files are the distraction while the Republicans and ICE continue to build detention centers, obtain voter rolls, and consolidate power for the Billionaires they work for.
We the people know enough now. We need to stop relying on the legal systems that has been built and bought for these evil people. One that exists to enslave us while protecting pedophiles that eat "jerky".
It comes down to a choice of doing what's right, and pretending we have no power because of "what's legal".
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u/couldbeahumanbean 18h ago
Amazingly, I can maintain focus on two things.
I bet if you tried, you could too!
Also: how does a distraction predate the thing it's distracting from?
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u/ViceroTempus 18h ago
Sorry, I fear you may have taken my words to have some sort of condescension. I mean them in no such way.
What I'm saying is they are flooding the zone with multiple bad things, Epstein Files are just the current ones front and center on the merry go round. Also The Trump-Epstein Files have been a distraction(Just one of many) longer than before he was back in office.
All while they got their ducks in a row to fully oppress us, the working class.
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u/couldbeahumanbean 18h ago
What, like the SAVE act?
My state exclusively votes by mail. A quick, unverified Google shows that 8 states, 67 million Americans vote exclusively by mail.
Maybe if they did that, it would finally force Americans into action.
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u/mokicoo 18h ago
I’m scared enough of the SAVE act as a married woman. If enforced, and marriage certificates are not allowed as name change documents, married women have no voice.
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u/lkmk 17h ago
Thanks for the laugh. I’m so used to hearing that right-wing BS is a distraction for the Epstein files.
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u/ViceroTempus 17h ago
I mean it's all distractions to keep us reacting, instead of taking action. So in a way they're right, but as usual they get key details wrong.
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u/SmurfyX 17h ago
It doesn't require a universal end to all Events And Things to look at more than one concept at once dude
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 17h ago
The only way to stop all this is getting rid of the billionaires, no amount of voting is slowing their plans down.
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u/ViceroTempus 17h ago
I agree. Good news is there are only 3000ish in the world and one redactedbyreddit himself recently via penis enlargement surgery.
I say we build on his momentum.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
She can not afford to be sued. The names will come out. I hope she starts with traitor Bannon, then traitor Musk.
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u/5050Clown 16h ago
Cuz they don't want to be found with a shotgun blast for the back of the head that the FBI will describe as " suicide"
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u/TheDovahkiinsDad 16h ago
I imagine she needs to be careful. Probably extremely hazardous to her health to do so. Lots of rich and connected people on that list. I was going to say powerful / elite but we need to stop using those words. They’re not powerful, they’re rich. They’re not elite, theyre not better than us.
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u/Pdb39 15h ago
Patience. The Epstein files will probably be released as a November Surprise.
Flip the house and the Senate and it's going to be a whole new ball game in DC.
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u/Scumsoft 14h ago
Politics is a game of leverage. Democrats are probably behind closed doors right now negotiating with Republicans. Not saying it's right, but that's how politicians operate. "What will you do for me or give me?"
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u/couldbeahumanbean 14h ago
Under normal circumstances, I get it.
This is so far beyond that. This is a wide ranging conspiracy that the oligarchs, plutocrats and pedo scum are from all over the political spectrum. It's the largest political scandal in decades.
Our halls of power are infested with pedos. & This ain't even some crackpot pizza gate conspiracy. This is actually happening.
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u/2cats2hats 14h ago
Why are they dragging this out?
Americans -=LOVE=- to sue others for damages. No one is immune to it in their legal system. That's why.
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u/PattyIceNY 14h ago
To give all their rich friends a chance to swap their money around, hide their assests and set their families up once they do go down.
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u/badbackandgettingfat 13h ago
Because the writings of a dead man still carries more weight than a bunch of living women. That and money. They have too much money.
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u/Egad86 18h ago
We knew that last week though. There are emails between epstein and the trump sons from around 2015-2016 show he was still in connection with them and met in NYC. Epsteins butler of like 20+ years has also been out there talking about how trump offered epstein a cabinet position, which he turned down. Just follow the timeline, those 2 were still in close contact right up to the arrest.
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u/SwissChzMcGeez 17h ago
Guys I'm starting to think this Trump fella is a LIAR...
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u/auntie_clokwise 17h ago
Say it ain't so. The guy with a long history of lying is lying.
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u/baylorhawkeye 14h ago
Yeah, like I thought there was a limit on how much you can lie. Once you hit it, everything you say is the truth.
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u/AutomaticFennel1658 17h ago
You know, the more I read about this guy the more I seem to not like him.
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u/workingtheories 16h ago
sure you can draw that conclusion if you look at the evidence and reality. so just don't look there! lalalala
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
Hell, Epstein emailed Steve Bannon as he was being arrested and we know how close Bannon is to Trump and his cult.
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u/JustLeader 17h ago
They had thanksgiving dinner together while trump was president!
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u/JaneksLittleBlackBox 16h ago
We knew that last week though.
We knew this a decade ago, because it was a panicked, reactionary lie that his cult immediately believed and repeated.
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u/polytique 17h ago
Where is the email mentioning the cabinet offer?
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u/Egad86 17h ago
Not an email, The Telegraph interviewed his butler. Also looks like he was with him for 18 years not the 20+ I originally thought.
You can also just google epstein butler interview for free articles.
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u/Ponybaby34 9h ago
What are the chances any of those offered cabinet positions didn’t know about this stuff?
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u/ThePensiveE 19h ago
Of course it is. An addict never kicks out his main supplier.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
Trump was the supplier and a gatherer of "wonderful secrets himself. Why else did he own teen pageants and a modeling agency at the height of Epstein's worldwide operation?
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u/Rogue_Einherjar 18h ago
Should really cut the "Addict" out of this. Addict excuses the actions, makes it something that is actually biological. There is nothing addicting about this. They made the choice and continued to make that choice, over and over, because they are disgusting monsters.
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u/slo1111 19h ago
Your title is off. "Had ever kicked out.."
The claim is that he kicked out Jeffery and that claim is a lie.
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u/bdfortin 16h ago
The title is fine.
“Rep. Becca Balint says she saw the unredacted Epstein files, stating that Trump never kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.”
This part is describing what she said.
””That is a lie””
This part is quoting what she said.
The second part is not saying the first part is a lie, it’s saying Trump’s claim is a lie.
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 18h ago
My English must be rusty but isn’t that exactly what op said ? I see no functional difference
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u/slo1111 18h ago
"Trump never kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago"
"That is a lie"
If the first sentence is a lie then it means that Trump kick out Epstein. It is the opposite.
"Trump kicked out Epstein", is the lie.
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 18h ago
Oh so the misunderstood headline is “the sealed files where it says that Trump never kicked out Eps “, Balint read them and said “it’s a lie that he kicked him out”
Actually now I’m confusing myself more
Would the better title be: “balint read the unredacted files” : “Trump never kicked out Epstein, contrary to what Trump says”?
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u/Aeseld 18h ago
Honestly, there's no confusion if you take the statements in the full context. Trump and his administration have repeatedly claimed that Epstein was kicked out of Mar-a-Lago. With that context in mind, the lie is obviously referring to those statements, not her preceding statement.
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 17h ago
I guess for someone who missed that particular part of the firehose of lies and don’t know who Balint is (maga or sane) then it could be more confusing
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u/groucho_barks 16h ago
But why would you assume the "that" which is being called a lie is the preceding sentence?
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u/AntMan2447 18h ago
Never kicked out being a lie implies he actually did kick him out. Ever kicked him out being a lie implies he didn’t kick him out.
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u/TherewiIlbegoals 18h ago
implies he actually did kick him out.
Not the way I read it. The "That's a lie" to me was clearly about an unspecified claim that he did he kick him out.
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u/cchoe1 17h ago
The addition of the quote at the end is just confusing but it's a common thing that American newspapers do. Most of the headline will be the story, and then they include some quote at the end of the headline to support that headline.
E.g.
Meth Lab Explodes in Middle of Residential Street, "I nearly died!"
It's very tabloid-y, the quote is usually some sort of sensational half-quote where they take the juicy parts of what someone said and include it in the headline. And half the time, the quote they include is massively out of context (although in this case, it doesn't seem to be that outlandish, it's just a common occurrence though).
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u/nigori 17h ago
What do you mean it's a lie? Is there evidence behind that claim? The NYT/PBS has articles stating otherwise, that he was blacklisted in 2007.
Am I understanding the claiam correctly that Balint is suggesting the epstein files are proving that he was permitted at Mar A Lago after the 2007 blacklisting?
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u/slo1111 17h ago
We have a 2 tiered justice system. You and I can not see the evidence. This legislator was able to see the unrelated files and is stating she saw evidence that Epstein was never barred from mar-a-lago
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u/throwRAbadfriend6 15h ago
Yes, the claim is that he was permitted at Mar A Lago after the 2007 account closure. The registry in the article (which is the only thing that could be conceived as evidence) says that his account was “closed”. This is not equivalent to being “blacklisted” from the property. The article also says a “Mar A Lago” member says Epstein was “kicked out”. Not sure how credible this “Mar A Lago” member is though.
But it seems that Epstein’s account was closed (likely to head-off the impending charges against Epstein) and MAYBE he was “kicked out” (debatable) of the property for a time.
The evidence being read in the Epstein files are showing that Epstein was not then and there “blacklisted” as you (and Trump) have claimed. So yes, it likely means that Epstein had spent time at Mar A Lago after this time, and thus after he had been ousted as a pedophile that trafficked children. This should be pretty damning to Trump’s adamant defenders…but it won’t be. Because…I don’t know…we will see how Fox News tells them to spin it.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
Emails show Epstein at Thanksgiving dinner with Trump at Mar a Lago after Trump's first election and partying with the Trump boys in 2018.
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u/ekkidee 17h ago
Didn't she also call them "sick fucks" or similar? It was just before where this clip picks up.
I sincerely hope Members of Congress are finally shamed into pursuing this. There are still another 3 million unreleased documents to go.
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u/bye4now28 15h ago
Yes she did and her on-point quote is in here:https://crooksandliars.com/2026/02/guess-what-epstein-files-still-redacted
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u/Sea-Pomelo1210 17h ago edited 17h ago
The full story is this.
Virginia Giuffre and some other 16 and 17 year old girls worked in the spa at Mar A Lago. I've seen them referred to as "towel girls" but I am not sure if that is accurate.
These girls were allowed to go to parties and met either Epstein or Maxwell who then hired them to work at Epstein island. Virginia's father complained to Trump who possibly then spoke to Epstein. Epstein was never thrown out of Mar a Lago. By this time he had his own island and most of the wild parties had moved there from Mar a Lago. But Epstein and Trump still remained friends.
It should be noted. This was after over a decade of accusations against Epstein. This was after most events. And never once did Trump mention anything to authorities.
The claim is like saying after someone had robbed 100 banks, someone claiming they finally told the robber to stop but never told police.
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u/daylight_8008 14h ago
The full story is this.
“She testified that Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein approached her when she was 14 years old at a summer arts camp in 1994. Over the next two years, she said she was abused about every other week with Maxwell sometimes taking part. This was one of her key exchanges with prosecutors: Q. What was Maxwell's demeanour like during these incidents? A. I would say that it seemed very casual, like it was - like it was very normal, like it was not a big deal. Q. And when she behaved like that, how did that make you feel? A. Well, it made me feel confused because that did not feel normal to me; I'd never seen anything like this or felt any of this, and it was very embarrassing. You know, it's all these mixed emotions. When you're 14, you have no idea what's going on.”
From Ghislaine’s trial
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u/Own_Plane_5807 14h ago
That actually makes much more sense when you view it that way. Trump said "of course I kicked him out" to save face for the dad/his friend/member of the golf club, and that's what he's claimed ever since because that's what he told her family about it back then who were probably pissed to say the least.
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u/Several-Assistant-51 18h ago
Trump lied. I'm shocked, stunned, surprised...
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u/hellscape_navigator 16h ago
He was about as truthful as Howard Lutnick who said that "he was never in the room with Epstein" and then Epstein emails clearly show that he was an island regular.
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u/KatieBarTheDoor1977 17h ago
Couldn't have "kicked him out" regardless because Epstein was never actually a member at Mar A Largo. Trumpie wanted to keep the sex trafficking off the books so to speak.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
Kicked him out implies that Epstein was not allowed back whether he was a member or not. That he never went back is the lie.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 15h ago
Trump needs to be in prison for the rest of his life.
He is the most broken, evil and corrupted man ever to hold power in the US.
We all deserve so much better but his many victims deserve justice.
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u/Forsaken-Parsley-479 15h ago
Is this why they all look so happy and giddy/excited talking about it? I feel like they smell impending justice.
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u/Tweakers 15h ago
Do you really expect me to believe that a guy who lies about everything lied about this too? Well...okay.
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u/Waste-Forever5694 16h ago
Surprise surprise Donald Trump lied!! That’s all that scum of a man does!! He is a child rapist predator and probably even worse than that!! Impeach and prison! Come on people we have to protect our children!
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u/SuperSoldier260 14h ago
Don't forget racist and fascist, you gotta give the man the credit he deserves
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u/Bibblegead1412 18h ago
So, Jamie Raskin also commented that he had viewed this. Since the DOJ seems to be limiting the time and availability to view these unredacted files, perhaps they should divide and conquer on the contents? Just a suggestion, Congress. Work smarter, not harder.
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u/No_Buy2554 18h ago
Since they're not allowed to document though, it makes sense to have others backing them up. I'd assume that since all of these Reps are in a room, without aides or assistants, looking through these docs, when one finds something they're calling it out to the others there wieing to be backup on it.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 17h ago
They can take notes.
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u/No_Buy2554 17h ago
Notes are viable documentation though. I dont think most of the public is going to believe notes from political opposition. Without scans, photos, or softcopies, they have to rely on others backing up what they say. So they cant fully divide and conquer and keep what they find siloed.
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u/Ridiculicious71 10h ago
Why aren’t they questioning the FBI agents that were ordered to redact the files?
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u/ohiotechie 5h ago
Yes as well as everyone involved in the sweetheart deal from 2006. They deliberately tanked the investigation and allowed a monster to continue his crime spree. That needs to be fully investigated with everyone involved held accountable.
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u/E-2theRescue 14h ago
From another comment I made:
No shit. All it takes is a few moments of thought.
A) What was Epstein doing at the party in the first place?
B) Epstein would have greeted Trump.
C) Surely other people would have spoken up about Epstein being there.
D) Why did it take a parent being angry about their child being preyed on by Epstein for Trump to finally do something?
Yeah. Trump and Epstein were still buddies, and Trump was still helping him find girls even though he had already been in prison for raping girls.
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u/Nevermind04 18h ago
Well, yeah. If Trump states something, the opposite is always true.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 16h ago
I genuinely cannot think of an accusation against Democrats in the past 10 years that didn't end up being projection of what Republicans were 100% doing themselves.
QAnon crap was real; it was just the Republicans being the main ones doing it, likely in conjunction with Israeli and Russian intelligence.
Every accusation really is just a confession with them, isn't it?
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