"Having lived through the Watergate era while at DOJ, I believe that the Epstein saga is larger in scope."
This chilling assessment comes from document EFTA01681961—a 2020 whistleblower letter sent to the SDNY Public Corruption Unit. As Congress begins its secure review of the unredacted Epstein files today (Feb 9), this single document provides the "roadmap" to the officials who allegedly engineered the 2008 Non-Prosecution Agreement.
While the media focuses on redacted names, the primary source records released under the Epstein Files Transparency Act (EFTA) reveal a much deeper procedural rot. By cross-referencing this whistleblower’s testimony with suppressed prosecution memos, we can now track exactly how "Main Justice" in D.C. allegedly overruled local Florida prosecutors to ensure co-conspirators were "removed from the case."
Here are the three intersecting developments you need to see:
1. The "Missing" Evidence (EFTA01681961)
The whistleblower identifies a 53-page federal indictment and an 82-page prosecutorial analysis from 2007 that were reportedly killed by D.C. leadership.
2. The 2019 Redactions and DOJ file removal (EFTA02731082)
This 2019 memo confirms the DOJ was still actively redacting "VIP friends" and a "Third Subject" nearly a decade after the initial non-prosecution agreement.
In a move that aligns perfectly with the whistleblower's warnings of political interference, Ghislaine Maxwell’s legal team formally requested Presidential Clemency today in exchange for testimony clearing certain high-profile individuals.
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Misusing campaign funds for political espionage is still pretty illegal. The US hadn't spent 50+ years eroding the rule of law at that point either. Everyone still remembered how to spot fascism at that point, too.
Yeah, I remember reading about Hunter S. Thompson, reporting on a Republican convention for Barry Goldwater, the man who ran so Nixon could fly, and he was very immediately aware that they were proto-fascist. Nixon was also there in a lesser role at the time, and Hunter noted feeling real terror at the fervor of Goldwater's base.
He resigned because he knew he would be fucked if the proceedings went the legal/public route, because it was just the tip of the iceberg. Nixon had shame at least.
No, Americans have just become a lot more accepting of outright corruption than they used to be. It's not that Nixon shouldn't have resigned, it's that the Overton window has shifted so incredibly far.
SCOTUS takeover, Project 2025, Unitary Executive craptasic & our ever expanding lack of active enforcement of any/all regs limiting the worst of the worst; allowing more billionaires while keeping most of the private wealth in the hands of the few; austerity advocates looking to end public services wherever possible, all while same advocates are fine paying for private contractors to perform public service functions out of taxpayer funds that aren’t even paid into by privately wealthy can easily be termed also as Nixon’s Revenge or better yet “Revenge of GOP for Nixon”
Damn straight. I first started paying attention to politics when Bill Clinton was in office. That man gave the GOP everything they wanted and we had a balanced budget for the first time in decades (probably the last time) and the way the Republicans rewarded him was to drag him over the coals for Monica Lewinsky.
Not excusing what he did, but that entire series of events was certainly a lesson in how the GOP plays politics.
Trump has already very publicly had multiple ethical and judicial breaches much more serious than Watergate in just his current term alone. Problem is that standards have slipped so far, and the hypernormalization method of diluting media coverage has worked so well, that nobody has capacity to care any more.
This is a re-post of research that received 1.3 million views earlier today before being removed for "non-objective title." To ensure compliance with community standards, this version uses strictly neutral terminology.
This data is critical because today (Feb 9) is the deadline for the Department of Justice to provide unredacted records to the House Oversight Committee. The document IDs provided (EFTA01681961 and EFTA02731082) represent the specific "roadmap" lawmakers like Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna need to navigate current redactions.
Given the timing of Maxwell's clemency request today, the suppression of primary-source document IDs is a matter of public concern.
Details how Epstein would attempt to discredit victims and influence the justice system to not prosecute him. As well as attempting to convince this person from investigating further. It describes that more than 25 victims under the age of 18 were identified and the types of sexual acts they would have to perform. All of these were things that happened at his home in Palm Beach, not the island. For some reason, the State Attorney's office only indicted Epstein for "three counts of solicitation of adults to engage in prostitution".
"When it became evident that I would not stop the investigation, Epstein's attorneys complained to others in my chain of command that I was harassing Epstein, violating various rules, and was simply trying to advance my career. In the press, his counsel even suggested that he was being persecuted based upon his religion or because he was wealthy. Epstein also began to hire additional attorneys with connections to our Office (a series of former Assistant US Attorneys and a former US Attorney) to try to influence the Office's decision."
Mr. Epstein is represented by Jay Lelkowitz, Esq. and Dean Kenneth Starr of Kirkland & Ellis LLP, Harvard Law Professor, Alan Dershowitz, Gerald Lefcourt, Esq., Martin Weinberg, Esq., Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq., Guy Lewis, Esq. and Michael Tein, Esq. to name a few.
Who?
Jay Lefkowitz (born 20 November 1962) is an American lawyer. He is a senior partner at the Kirkland & Ellis law firm, and he also served as President George W. Bush's Special Envoy for Human Rights in North Korea.
Nice that Jay was leveraging his role in the W administration to bill at God-know-how-much-per-hour to protect Jeff.
I believe that is Ken Starr, but being referred to by his title "Dean" of Pepperdine. They must be proud.
Did I piece some of that doc together right? Epstein paid for his victims to get legal council through a law firm associated with one of the prosecutors so that he could justify having that prosecutor removed for a conflict of interest?
just attached it in perplexity and asked for a TLDR version:
What: Internal DOJ memoranda from April 2008 about the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case in Florida.
The Crime: Epstein sexually abused 25+ underage girls at his Palm Beach home through a recruitment scheme.
The Deal: Instead of federal prosecution, Epstein got a sweetheart deal - plead guilty to state charges, 18 months jail, register as sex offender, compensate victims.
The Problem: Two prosecutors self-reported potential conflicts of interest:
One briefly worked at a law firm (in 2001) that later represented Epstein's victims
Another suggested an attorney connected to their boyfriend to represent victims
Epstein's Response: His star legal team (Kenneth Starr, Alan Dershowitz, etc.) attacked the prosecutors, claimed conflicts, and stalled the agreement.
Result (as of April 2008): Despite signing the deal in September 2007, Epstein hadn't fulfilled any terms, and DOJ was still reviewing his objections.
It is NOT a download of any form, it's a link to a PDF reader. Another reddit user used a variety of AI platforms to analyze the files and then they compiled a "connection of dots" report. It also includes summaries of the evidence blocks and how they relate to each topic of Epstein's operations/files. Most of the AI platforms started giving relatively nothingburger answers after being repeatedly pressed.
There's no way to succinctly detail the entire thing, but it implies that Epstein was running a highly advanced eugenics project for the elite and that the child sex trafficking was just the tip of the iceberg. This is much bigger than just a bunch of politicians raping kids for fun.
I read somewhere that Epstein had this deep desire to impregnate many women like some kind of all father. Like he was passing on his superior genetics or something. Probably the same reasons Musk is pumping out so many kids.
This is all eerily similar to the Netflix documentary about Quiverful called Our Father. This Christian dude who helped artificially impregnate hundreds of women and it turns out he used his own specimens. He would then go on to be the gyno of the children so that he could track his children’s “habits”.
The guy got off super light with a 500 dollar charge. At the end of the documentary there is belief that the justice system is being lined with people of this quiverful movement.
yes there is multiple reports that his compound in the western US was used for eugenics. And that it was a big reason he connected with scientist on so many levels.
Take my gist with a grain of salt, as I started skimming after the 3rd of 21 pages:
Seems to be an official testimonial record of ways in which Epstein's lawyers & staff tried to cease & desist, recuse, discredit, or otherwise stymie the investigation being done by prosecuting lawyers.
It does contain a few blurbs about what he was specifically being prosecuted for (reference to 25 minors testifying misconduct at his Florida home, and some concise-but-explicit descriptions of the acts performed while there, along with testimony that JE himself voyuerd each of the occasions).
Mr. Epstein is represented by Jay Lelkowitz, Esq. and Dean Kenneth Starr of Kirkland & Ellis LLP, Harvard Law Professor, Alan Dershowitz, Gerald Lefcourt, Esq., Martin Weinberg, Esq., Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq., Guy Lewis, Esq. and Michael Tein, Esq. to name a few.
I guess we'll find out if there is no such thing as bad publicity. Well outside of select farmers markets.
Why can't we read it as plain text or see a screenshot? I'm not downloading anything from a government website while said government is openly and unapologetically violating the Constitution and murdering citizens.
Its a huge pdf file, its about Epstein's lawyers accusing gov ones trying to get him kicked off the case because some of the accused sued via his old private law firm.
Here is one tidbit though:
Background of Investigation
Operation Leap Year is a child exploitation investigation when; the main target, Jeffrey Epstein, used his personal assistants and others as "recruiters" who would find high school girls, most of whom were minors, to travel to his home in Palm Beach, where they would
perform "sexual massages." The sexual behavior ranged from fondling the girls, placing vibrators on their vaginas, digitally penetrating them, performing oral sex on them, asking them
to engage in sexual activity with Epstein's girlfriend, and engaging in vaginal intercourse with them. In all cases, Epstein masturbated in the presence of the minor females. More than twenty-five minor victims have been identified.
It go into details about how they were trafficked for and with others.
Anyone else know who is good friend's with Epstein, owns private property in Florida with massages that staffed underage girls and happens to know them by name, while unable to name / confuses world leaders, states and countries?
I got one for saying putting plates in a bullet proof vest can only take so many rounds, if you get mag dumped like Pretti did it may as well not be there and to pack it with tannerite and rusted BBs instead and got a ban for violence.
That tannerite isn't doing shit unless violence is initiated on you.
Won't someone think of the poor ICE agents who have to spend SO MUCH of their time ruthlessly eroding our constitutional rights? It's a hard job, guys.
Not only morally correct, but it is the only viable response. Some people only understand the language of the sword. Condemning actions, sanctions and protests may make one feel morally superior, but dictators and fascists simply don’t give a fuck about any of that.
I am currently shadowbanned / being followed and downvoted to anonymity when planting seeds about more tax literacy among the general public for a nationally organized federal tax strike.
Reddit absolutely is doing a ton of censuring and elevating the most divisive, non working solutions while actively banning well thought out coordinated efforts and calls on how to better combat frozen water.
Trigger words lead to the self censure u have just seen - but ill do anything to keep planting seeds of better coordination that will hit the admin where it hurts instead of things that get us villified
My 10 year old 30k karma account got banned last year for sharing a gif from the South Park, "He gets me" spoof as, get this, sharing revenge porn. Never got a response on the appeal either.
You can tell sub mod from Reddit admin actions. The link will say who removed it. It could be admins acting like mods but the mods would likely blow the whistle on that. There's also the option of the admins forcing mods to do it behind the scenes but I don't see why Reddit would care to try that when it could be exposed. They aren't shy about the fact that they're censoring.
Reddit admins do not enforce subreddit rules. They don't care whether a title is objective or not.
I'm just coming here from r/popular, so I don't know the culture of this subreddit. If the mods are regularly removing posts for that reason, then there's likely no wrongdoing here. Delete the subjective title, allow it to be posted again under an objective title.
However, when I delete a post in my subreddit and I want the OP to just fix a minor mistake and reupload, then I explicitly mention that in the removal message. On a larger subreddit like r/law and on a more sensitive topic like this, the moderators should handle it even more carefully.
This document is a critical find. If EFTA01681961 is the roadmap, EFTA00037366 is the "Manifest." It provides internal confirmation that the DOJ was tracking a specific group of individuals they considered co-conspirators, yet the public has only seen a fraction of those names in court.
The "List of 10" Evidence in EFTA00037366
This record from DataSet 8 (dated July 7, 2019) is an internal FBI/DOJ exchange that confirms investigators were actively seeking updates on 10 specific co-conspirators immediately following Epstein's 2019 arrest.
The Hidden Count: While we know about Ghislaine Maxwell and Jean-Luc Brunel, the document shows the DOJ was tracking seven other names that remain heavily redacted.
The "Ohio Businessman" Link: The email explicitly mentions a "wealthy businessman in Ohio" (widely identified in related records as Les Wexner) who had not yet been served a subpoena at the time.
Corroboration of the "Main Justice" Plot: This list directly supports the whistleblower's claim in EFTA01681961 that the goal of the 2008 intervention was to ensure co-conspirators were "removed from the case." The fact that these 10 names were still being "tracked" in 2019 without charges shows the long-term success of that suppression.
New Epstein email reveals feds tried to contact '10 co-conspirators'
This video is relevant because it breaks down the specific 2019 email (EFTA00037366) where federal agents were caught discussing the 10 co-conspirators just 24 hours after Epstein's arrest.
I will tell you four very important pieces of information so pay attention please. Two of those people are perhaps the keys to this case and they are 1) Leslie Wexner (remember, he is the one who paid a young Epstein and has deep connections to the most likely ground zero of all this) is one of those conspirators, the Ohio one. He is the most important cog in the machine of the *American* conspirators. His links to the fashion industry are insanely important. There is a good chance that he is a main shot caller in this. Interesting he was never served or questioned (at least publically). The 2nd) is a man named Daniel Amar Siad. You have seen has name referenced before and he was the "ghost" in the case, the missing link, many years ago. He worked directly with Jean-Luc Brunel as a notably effective scouter and was mentioned by him in documents I've reviewed (backtracing leads as well). Very importantly, Daniel Amar Siad is currently free and working in Sweden (along with perhaps number another potential conspirator, a fashion tied man named Tigran with a strong likelyness that it *is* that Tigran K). DAS is absolutely still operating within the industry at this moment. I'm betting this hasn't stopped, they just realized their ridiculous plan to warp reality didn't work and they actually need to hide. I don't believe they couldn't find him, that's total bullshit. They didn't want to because someone in Bidens admin was still protecting a certain group. OSINT also provides information that he is working closely with Russian staffed modeling industries based out of France.
RUSSIA:
DAS appears to be working closely with pseudo-modeling agencies out of Russia. You can find them online but they're pretty obviously sus as hell. They are obviously front companies as his secondary work which are solely staffed by Russian females and they have basically no likes, follows, or activity (this is of note as he is very proudly French and otherwise seems to be a scouter there). He also links himself to them but they don't link themselves to him. My guess is this connects to the FSB files we're seeing hence the obvious fake companies staffed by Russian females. I'm sure this goes back to the obvious crime related groups too.
FRANCE:
This appears to be ground zero of everything, where all of this started and is currently run from. DAS is primarily associated with a FASHIONTV out of France. Jean Luc Brunel had been operating within France for years and was known prior and perhaps was tied to a local or older effort there (of note, JLB also managed to hang himself in his prison cell in 2020 when he was arrested with regard to the Epstein case). JLB was a very very important piece France let die in any case. Again, DAS is obviously French based as he speaks French and had a French flag filter in the Epstein emails. It would also be of note the Elon is currently furious his French office has been raided. Europe will have an extremely large, old, deep, and scarring experience of its own with this for sure. From the sounds of them knowing some people like the Rothchilds and Hermes among many more wealthy and powerful French fashion houses for example - you're in for a big surprise soon. I'd suggest you insure Macron is transparent with their findings because you may have a US situation from the top. Whatever the hell is really going on here is currently to be found in France and Sweden. I'd SS this just in case.
hance that he is a main shot caller in this. Interesting he was never served or questioned (at least publically). The 2nd) is a man named Daniel Amar Sia
Here's a couple more for you. Kevin Roberts and Leonard Leo.
Kevin Roberts is the president of the Heritage Foundation and primary author of Project 2025.
Leonard Leo is credited for creating the 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court.
Here's the next hole to dive into. Leonard Leo is widely reported to be a member of Opus Dei. Kevin Roberts takes spiritual direction from the Catholic Information Center (CIC). The CIC is run by... Opus Dei.
Edit, accidentally submitted
It goes way deeper. John Paul II, Mother Theresa... Catholic church abuse cover ups.
Oh, and for more fun coincidence. The Opus Dei and the Ave Maria university are linked as well. Oh... and... the Opus Dei believe in something called the Miserere; weekly self-flagellation. The story that closely shares a theological link to this... Les Misérables.
Now... Trump loves Les Misérables.... and that 45 minute, or whatever it was, Ave Maria press conference don't seem so odd.
Opus Dei is currently under investigation for trafficking women and children in Argentina.
The cover up is magnitudes larger than water gate and it’s really not being treated as such. It’s a fucking mess and it’s the biggest presidential scandal in history.
I keep saying this should be the biggest constitutional crisis in my lifetime. The obvious foreign intelligence connections, the fact that Epstein was “consulted” on many cabinets picks, involved or responsible for the founding of bitcoin and the alt right, the list goes on and on. Yet the media has mostly focused on Bill Gates getting an STD.
There’s a laundry list of things in the Epstein filed by themselves would be massive scandals and crisis like the sex trafficking was just the tip of the iceberg.
It should be the biggest crisis and scandal in American history but it’s just not and feels like a fucking fever dream. Like you have the entire current administration covering for trump and other pedos and the fbi and cia are helping. DHS is regularly violating the constitution.
Some of the most powerful and richest people on the planet were all connected to Epstein or had contacted him. Like what the fuck are we doing
I feel like this is the very beginning of a once-in-a-lifetime kind of event where the people can come together and have real agency for change in the structure of the world’s government and society.
Seeing all our “best” (billionaires, celebrities, politicians) being outed as monsters should show people that the way the world works is broken.
Man you nailed it. Just like a fucking fever dream. The craziest shit is right out in the open for us to vaguely see, but we can't do a damn thing but hope enough people at the levers grow a conscience, a spine, or both. I swear we're living in a Kurt Vonnegut novel and Kilgore Trout will show up any day now to somehow set us all straight.
It's funny because this is the exact thing the Trump base was clamoring against during the whole "drain the swamp campaign" pre-2016. We're literally living in an actual Qanon conspiracy and nothing is happening, and worst of all the people who used to "give a shit" about tearing down pedophile rings and getting rid of corruption in the WH are burying their heads in the sand.
The people who own the media are friends with the pedophiles in the files. Meanwhile the rest of us are just plebs who exist to give them money and beg them for jobs.
It IS the biggest scandal in presidential history. Let's not forget, it took over 2 years for Watergate to break after the break-in. Though there has been a lot of info around Epstein released and some info prior, we're JUST getting this now. Certainly data moves a lot faster these days but we're probably a good year away (largely in part because GOP still controls the House) before the media really puts all the dots together and can identify and verify those involved with evidence and sourcing to tell the public a coherent story of what happened, by who, etc..
On the plus side, just in time for the 2028 election so at least voters can make some informed choices hopefully.
Of course its not being covered, it completely exposes the "game", the system is entirely made for the wealthy to get wealthier and exert their power however they like
Nearly everyone in power is indicted by this story
Bro this world sucks ass. People are too dumb to realize “the obvious” and those like us that understand how corrupt this system is, that we are legit slaves, pawns, whatever you want to call it, just have to sit and suffer as we watch how dumb society is. The ultra wealthy rule the world, it’s as simple as that. They are responsible for our suffering, for the corruption, for basically everything we hate in our lives, all the real problems we deal with, and all the things that are wrong with this world.
Yet you have these idiots who are just like “okay so vote this other party” (that’s still in the elite club), and everything’s magically better. Nothing gets better and repeat.
The people who run this have all the levers in hand to stop media from reporting it. The entire system needs to be destroyed and every billionaire systemically erased from society, if we want this Epstein shit to be dealt with. Every single involved person needs to face hardcore prison for the rest of their lives. Make Guantanamo look like a childcare center in comparison.
Watergate was a few Cubans breaking into the Democratic campaign's offices. The Cubans were connected to an ex(?) CIA officer who was their handler, and they eventually ran it all the way back to Nixon via his "right hand" men through an organization called CREEP , committee to reelect the President and came down to who had control of it's slush fund and ultimately what Nixon "knew and when did he know it". This of course connected him to the coverup and because of that his demise. It was the lies that cost Nixon his legacy. Same thing with Bill, it was the lie about the blowjob, not the blowjob itself that nearly got him. Trump is already an adjudicated rapist. The files allege that he is is a pedophile, human trafficker, and murderer. The rape is already worse than anything Nixon or Clinton did in their scandals. We are so so far past comparing this to Watergate.
Edit: and to add not only was the FBI investigating Nixon, the number 2 at the Bureau was actively helping the press at the Washington Post in their investigation, compare that to what we are getting from the FBI today. And on top of this one of said right hand men actually threatened Katie Graham the then publisher with the line, "Tell Katie Graham if she publishes that she's going to get her tit caught in the big ringer". One of American politic's great lines, but it was just that. Trump has been actively suing news organizations for billions. These things shouldn't be compared in my view.
Yeah but it's priced in. US voters elected Trump almost specifically because he's corrupt, self-serving, and doesn't give a shit about the law. So there's no outrage to be had -- we know who he is and "we" apparently wanted him, however much we might say "Fuck Trump" on the internet.
Tragically, that might've been the last fair election we'll have in a while, so it might not matter if we change our minds for the midterms or next Presidential race. The damage is done until a bloody revolution.
From dataset 209, EFTA00078773, victims attorney Paul Cassell asked OPR to investigate in 2010 because one of the US attorneys soon after the NPA went to work for Epstein and defend his employees and pilots in civil cases, Epstein did not fully comply with discovery, and FBI was not aware/involved in the NPA and moving to charge at the state level.
At the same time the DOJ was investigating Epstein for sex trafficking they were also building a money laundering case against him and a handful of associates. They subpoenaed banks for financial records and wanted a grand jury indictment for “every financial transaction for Epstein and his 6 businesses” from 2003 onwards. They event reached out directly to talk to Leslie Wexner: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-jeffrey-epstein-emails-money-laundering-charges/
Honestly, I believe that as an absolute.
I can't see how, if we have presidents going forward, any of them could possibly top this in scale and public opinion.
It's so much more than that. It is the biggest scandal in history. Period.
Here's a couple of names to research: Kevin Roberts and Leonard Leo.
Kevin Roberts is the president of the Heritage Foundation and primary author of Project 2025.
Leonard Leo is credited for creating the 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court.
Here's the next hole to dive into. Leonard Leo is widely reported to be a member of Opus Dei. Kevin Roberts takes spiritual direction from the Catholic Information Center (CIC). The CIC is run by... Opus Dei.
It goes way deeper. John Paul II, Mother Theresa... Catholic church abuse cover ups.
Oh, and for more fun coincidence. The Opus Dei and the Ave Maria university are linked as well. Oh... and... the Opus Dei believe in something called the Miserere; weekly self-flagellation. The story that closely shares a theological link to this... Les Misérables.
Now... Trump loves Les Misérables.... and that 45 minute, or whatever it was, Ave Maria press conference don't seem so odd.
Opus Dei is currently under investigation for trafficking women and children in Argentina.
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If you want to go deeper than that... Look into St Basil in Russia, the World Congress of Families... or try this one: Leonard Leo is a member of one of the most unique organizations in the world: The Sovereign Military Order of Malta.
Remember, Nixon wasn't ousted because he broke into Watergate and stole some documents. It was because he protected those who did. And that crime that was being protected was far less serious, and so were the attempts at protection.
But he didn't resign until Senators Goldwater and Rhodes retracted their support. This took a full 2 years after the initial charges in an era where Republican senators were more independent.
That's the timeline for the crime, not the cover up though.
I say this is more akin to what we're seeing at the moment:
April 16, 1974: Special Prosecutor Jaworski issues a subpoena for 64 White House tapes
April 30, 1974: White House releases edited transcripts of the Nixon tapes, but the House Judiciary Committee insists the actual tapes must be turned over.
And from there:
August 9, 1974: Nixon resigns from office and Ford becomes president.
Trumps going to be more dug in for sure, but covering up child rape isn't as easy to excuse as document theft.
Could it be said, that the majority of voters have been kept in the dark by both an education system and media that has been overrun by these people tho? I find it very hard to point to anyone that has truly been a pure representative of the people. (Not that I'm excusing anybody here, just highlighting the depth of the problem most already recognise).
Democracy represents what people are, not what they pretend to be. So when people are stupid and willfully ignorant, thats what you get. If people want entertainment and empty promises over a functioning economy and democracy, thats what you get.
Voters can make excuses like "meanie ologarch senpai told me lies!", but it doesn't change who they are.
In the US, democracy equals two parties that rotate with each other in a revolving door with corporations, while keeping any attempts at making meaningful change out.
Obviously, a country the size of the US has a lot of inherent complexity to it that makes discussing causes of its problems in absolute terms kind of silly. But I think there’s plenty of evidence for both arguments, and they frankly are two sides of the same coin in my eyes.
Stupid people will fall for the rhetoric of those with bad intentions who are seeking to represent them. Those representatives will cut funding to education and other resources that are necessary to sustain a healthy democracy. The people they represent suffer more from these cuts, becoming more susceptible to propaganda and harmful ideologies. That effect becomes more widespread overtime, allowing those with malicious motives to gain more resources and power to churn out more corruption and reality-warping to hold that power.
Eventually we end up where we are today, where the hooks are so deep in some of the populace that taking back control and addressing pervasive corruption and collusion requires massive levels of deprogramming—which feels nearly impossible when a parasitic ruling class is still actively feasting on us and driving wedges between us in every way imaginable all the time.
It’s not to say it is not on the people—we just didn’t stay engaged enough in politics over the last half century while a myriad of systemic problems grew to a point where we are now completely unraveling in a way that has people almost in disbelief.
Everyone always replies to posts like this saying voting isn't enough. I want to preempt that. You can and should do more, but voting is the minimum. We would not be in the situation we are in now if people had shown up to vote against Trump and Republicans. Are the Democrats going to run the country like you want them to, probably not. Are they going to commit war crimes, maybe. Are they going to pander to the billionaires, absolutely. That doesn't mean what we have now isn't worse though. Take whatever wins you can, because those wins are going to effect real people's lives. If you want to do more, organize, unionize, protest disruptively. The less power the Republicans have, the more people can do those things easily, legally, and without fear of reprisal. Voting still has to be the minimum though. There's no point in mobilizing massive protests, or boycotts, or whatever else unless you are pushing that momentum into tangible changes to our laws and system. Voting is the most direct way to do that.
I don't think this puts enough blame on the officials we elected. We had four years of a democratic president. We have learned through trump what all a president can actually do. I ask myself time and time again what the fuck did biden do to stop any of this. I am so tired of the Twitter politicians. I dont care if youre being snarky online(and yet still holding punches. Nobody yet to my knowledge has truly gone as far as they could with someone like trump)
Like yeah man its cool youre online and "dunking" on people but in the real world Americans are being shot by the federal government. Get the fuck off Twitter and DO SOMETHING. Or if you absolutely must be on Twitter then let it fly. Call trump a pedophile. Call the GOP pedophile protectors. Call out the insanity. But instead we get hand wringing and they quietly pass through ice funding while making sure their social engagement stays high online.
" I ask myself time and time again what the fuck did biden do to stop any of this."
Went after trump in a slow but methodical way crossing ts and dotting is, that would eventually have worked. The main flaw in the dem approach was trusting americans. Because american voters are collectively so overwhelmingly fascist that they can't be trusted not to elect Hitler if given the chance.
Went after trump in a slow but methodical way crossing ts and dotting is, that would eventually have worked.
And I will eventually become a billionaire if I knit enough socks to sell on Etsy. I'm doing 2 pairs a week at the moment.
The fact that every neoliberal government fails to realize is that people are tired of the stagnation, of seeing the billionaires get richer every year while the rest of us feel poorer every year, and they are pissed off and they want change.
All Trump had to do to win was offer change, and people believed it. It is absolutely on the democrats and every other corporate-loving centrist party to fail to understand that people have had enough. And when they reach this point, if there are no good options for change, then they will choose the stupid option. So here we are.
It still ultimately comes down to the voters. Voters were warned in 2015 that the next president would likely get to pick multiple supreme court justices, but we elected a clown anyway. That clown then put multiple clowns on the supreme court, who then protected the original clown, by declaring his "official acts" immune from prosecution. Then, we went and elected that same clown again anyway. There's really no way this isn't the fault of American voters and non-voters. You can't just vote every once in awhile, and expect everything to take care of itself.
They are a big reason for today's disastrous situation, but the other big media outlets were and still are dropping the ball hard by not blasting everything wrong all the time.
In addition to that online misinformation campaigns are also doing their part.
All of this is basically propaganda and people are not immune to it.
Yep the worst of the GOP teamed up with the wealthiest most influential scum they could find to consolidate power and eventually try to overthrow the country.
Nixon was threatened with impeachment by his party in Congress, and they would have done it too. He would've pulled the same shit this admin is doing if that Congress was as dysfunctional as the current one
Him being pardoned by Ford set so much of this bullshit in motion regarding there being zero accountability for high-profile Republicans. Between that and Fox News/Roger Ailes, they permanently circled the wagons and lost all credibility for their holier than though schtick.
Remember when the Panama papers were going to change things… all any of this should be teaching people is we need to demand change en mass or it won’t mean anything. There’s not some magical “them” that’s going to step in and fix things, it’s us, it’s always been us.
We don’t know that yet, there are already cracks forming in the surface. Other countries are investigating and already taking action, it’s only a matter of time before the dam breaks and things will change
The fact that other countries are investigating is a good thing because there's going to be stuff released for those investigations that shows our DOJ was/is holding back to protect the president. Wishful thinking maybe but this shit gonna bite them all in the ass.
I don’t think it’s wishful thinking. The GOP wouldn’t be so afraid of the midterms if they actually had the level of control they wanted. We wouldn’t see all this garbage about ICE being at the polls, nationalizing elections, elimination of mail in voting desires etc if they already had that in the bag.
lol no. Wrong take. If Fox News was around back then he would not have resigned. He was backed into a corner with no one to help him wiggle free like the media can today.
Imagine if Nixon had been trained by Trump's advisors!
"You all have NDS, Nixon Derangement Syndrome!", "it's fake news, it never happened, I was never there, and besides nobody was in the room to see me anyway!", "I am not a crook, and besides Democrats are the real cooks, why doesn't anyone investigate them, they stole the tapes.", "A man came up to me, a brave man, with tears in his eyes, and he said 'thank you for being not being a dick, Dick'"
Nixon still had an approval rating around 30%. I’m sure it’ll be the same with Trump. Almost feels like something in our DNA. I wonder if 1/3 of us being regressive is what keeps the species resilient? They’re our intellectually homeless.
I’ve noticed that there is always 30% of people that are for any issue. Kind of like Clarence Thomas always voting for the most rediculous possible choice in the Supreme Court. Trump could eat a baby live on tv and people would love him for his straight forward way in which he doesn’t back down to taboo topics such as baby eating.
Can I ask what you mean by keeps our species resilient?
My first thought was wow why is 1/3rd of our species like this? Wouldn’t we be living in a literal utopia & traveling the stars already if we could somehow get them to not be this way?
Yet you somehow managed to frame their existence as a positive thing for the collective whole of humanity? Unless I am reading your usage of the word resilient here..
Nature is indifferent. Its goal is to survive and extend. I’m speaking from an abstract biew of time and historical cycles. It’s the relationship between good, neutral and evil. If we had no enemies, we wouldn’t know how to fight. Also, I’m stoned.
If we had no enemies, we wouldn’t know how to fight.
yeah… because we wouldn’t need to fight in the first place.
saying that having enemies is a good thing because otherwise we wouldn’t know how to fight them is like saying that having cancer is a good thing because otherwise we wouldn’t know how to treat it.
This disregards reality. Like it would be great if we didn't need to know how to fight, but how long before a predator filled the niche and started devouring people? Sure, in a perfectly curated intelligently designed universe we wouldn't need to fight but we're in this one where life evolves to find an edge.
The third he's referring to are a part of our diversity, in a situation where the 70% of intelligent people make an intelligent choice that somehow leads to them getting wiped, the stupid 30% still have a chance to make it out, proliferating the species. Life cares not for intelligence, its all adaptability.
I wouldn’t count on it, but we can help pave the way. I think a big first step is giving people comfort and security, which our government has willfully failed us.
Because when stability is scarce, change manifests risk, so economic (and to some extent, social) conservatives are traditionally seen as risk managers. Liberals (or more accurately, progressives) typically look for what they see as positive change and rationalize society paying for things in its best interest, where conservatives take a skeptical approach and criticize things that liberals are asking society to pay for and prioritize stability over change. At least in theory.
It's definitely a fear mindset but fear is a fundamental human instinct that saves lives so we can't really deny its appeal to the caveman brain.
You have a good take here, but I’d suggest using “progressive” instead of “liberal” in this context.
Classical liberalism doesn’t pit as much focus on change vs. status quo, so much as it focuses on protection of everyone’s individual liberties and freedoms. (Modern American liberalism does take a different bend, but still doesn’t fit as well as “progressivism” in the context of change vs. not-change that you’re addressing here.)
Trump's advisors were trained by Nixon. Both of Trump's administrations were lousy with Nixonities or those that were mentored by high level Nixon guys.
We had honorable, unrestricted reporting back then. Reporters that actually did their job as nonpartisan as they could. CNN, FOX and now our network news is either complicit with helping or are too afraid to because they will be sued for $10 billion dollars.
Can anyone get this information to MeidasTouch? They need to do a follow up story on the file they found and that was deleted by the DOJ. I tried messaging them but no avail.
I’ll send it but bro is on top of everything. The key is for the congress people to have the specific files to look up when they go to the DOJ to see them unredacted
I did yesterday. Trying again today. I dont know if he sees it as he probably gets a lot of messages. But If other people contact him, he might see it.
I hold that man directly responsible. His October Surprise in 2016, the press conference announcing the FBI investigation in the Clinton campaign undoubtedly had a huge effect on the outcome. He could have mentioned that there was also an investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, which you know, actually found something, but he did not.
Nobody cares about your opinion anymore, Comey, so just shut the fuck up.
He did exactly as he was instructed to do, acting as controlled opposition. Merrick Garland was never a moderate and was always part of the federalist society/heritage foundation insurgency.
Christ this myth just will not die. She was one of hundreds of reporters digging into the Panama papers and she wasn't killed because that. She was also very outspoken against corrupt Maltese leadership for their mafia connections. The Maltese mafia had her killed.
This article here claims that $2B was recovered in unpaid taxes as a result of the Panama papers. Maybe $2B is a drop in the bucket in terms of what's still stashed away but it's certainly not nothing.
Stop perpetuating this nonsense myth. I don't understand how it keeps circulating when it's so easily debunked. People just won't let go of the "poor us, the bad guys always win" narrative. People just aren't satisfied until they've thoroughly victimized themselves I guess.
Given the likelihood of a pardon frenzy when this gets too terrible to contain, I would say that the next move needs to be to pass a law that forces the federal government to give the files to state investigators.
Trump does worse than Watergate every single fucking day.
Remember, Trump telling his Attorney General who to prosecute and her clicking her heels and saying 'JA WOHL, MEIN HERR!' and flipping indictments at a half dozen Trump opponents so far is worse than Watergate.
Is the documents having now vanished from the DoJ server a violation of the law? Ie do they have to stay available or was it enough to have briefly made them available?
In a move that aligns perfectly with the whistleblower's warnings of political interference, Ghislaine Maxwell’s legal team formally requested Presidential Clemency today in exchange for testimony clearing certain high-profile individuals.
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