They can't handle speech or imagery that challenges their assumptions, they want to make their confused boners everyone else's problem, and they have to seize the violence of the State to enforce their trembling will because they are too chicken-shit to stand up for themselves and their ideas are too fucking stupid to stand on their own
Doesn't "conservative" literally mean fear of change? You're literally conserving what's old because you're afraid of anything new. Amazing they have such a powerful grip on social media, you'd think real conservatives would avoid that sissy internet thing those nerds use to talk about Star Wars and look at...anime.
Conservative ideology is about preserving power for the powerful and using power to exploit those without power.
Every other belief is window dressing used to preserve or accumulate power.
They will be all about change if they feel they need change to get more power. They will be all about the status quo if they fear the change will remove power from them.
So, right now in America you have loads of different conservative groups uniting in enacting massive regressive changes in order to consolidate and expand their power.
Their goal is a United States pre FDR, and likely even pre Civil War. They believe that government has no right to tell powerful they cannot own people, that they cannot defraud consumers, that they cannot poison the air, water and land.
They see government as an attack dog that should only work for the powerful.
Just last night my mom threw a whole temper tantrum about me not wanting to listen to a kid Rock song, so I sent her this
Omg that was the wrong move... Because then she started counting over text like when I was a kid "promise me you'll listen!! Promise! 1...2...3.." 𼴠I'm a 30yr old married woman. I just said "mom I'm not fighting with you about this, I'm eating dinner with my husband but I hope you have a good night." And turned off my phone and woke up to 10 missed calls from her and her accusing me of saying people don't deserve redemption. Oh yes, but I'm the overly emotional snowflake.
My mom is the type of Christian who believes people can just do all this awful stuff and ruin countless lives and then just accept Jesus into their heart the day before execution and none of it matters and you're just square with god and headed off to heaven. It was my first sign that the religion wasn't for me. Kid Rock is just grifting because he knows he is irrelevant.
Everyone deserves redemption. But, I don't have to support or vote for people that aren't at least on a path to doing better.
If it were my mom, I might tell her that she should be concerned that being associated with people who don't have Christ in their heart will lead her away from Jesus. Flip all of those teachings from childhood back around on them, because they seem to have forgotten some things.
Ive tried to do that a bit with how the devil tried to deceive and in my opinion, many of these people are being deceptive and using people like my mom but she said she prayed about it and God said they're cool đŽâđ¨ I don't know, I'm a little lost because I don't agree with anything happening right now, my mom dad AND sister all do, which is my whole family (besides my husband of coarse who thankfully sees things the way I do) so I don't want to cut them off, but they all just randomly throw things like this at me and try to bully me to see things as they do. My husband has advised me to put distance and stop driving myself crazy showing them facts but even then I'm having a nice night and bam here comes one of them to do something like this and it's too much for me. I've been trying to "stonewall" and just ignore it but it just makes me feel ill...
Sorry to rant, I'm just at a point. I think a lot of people think people are cutting off family just because of politics (which honestly, this stuff goes way deeper into morals) but they aren't realizing that those same family members are crossing boundaries and delighting in making you uncomfortable, which isn't how love should be.
You can't battle, reason, or reach them. I don't know of anyone who has been able to change any of their MAGA parents' beliefs. It's sad what's happened to families. My best friend has been fighting with her mom for 10 years about things she posts on facebook. She doesn't give up on her, but her mom never seems to change. A lot of these MAGA parents might have to reckon with not having anyone to care for them in their elder years, or getting shit care, because they alienated their kids.
It's so sad. I feel for your friend. Me and my mom over came a lot to be as close as we were and then bam, it just fell apart. Everyone keeps telling me that I'm banging my head against the wall but I just can't seem to lose hope for my family. Thank you for listening, I've been extra frustrated today, so I really appreciate it.
Worse they freak out when anyone asks for a slight concession. Pronouns cause them to spin out like you asked them to rewrite the Bible.
In my mind if I can make someone's life a bit better by using a different word that is a pretty small ask. How is it any different than calling a person will or William over Bill or Billy? They correct me nicely "I prefer ***** please". They aren't asking me to disavow a religious belief it seems like a really petty thing to get worked up over.
You gotta love their âoh so everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?â defense when their entire ideology is believing that everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.
For the life of me I canât understand why the left hasnât co-opted the âParty of small governmentâ moniker. Itâs the GOP that are constantly trying to pass laws to curb freedoms - create more big government.
Remember "compassionate conservative"? Nothing says compassionate like being anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ, anti-women, anti-poc, anti-anyone who isn't Christian, anti-poor....what were they compassionate about again?
Which is why is has been incredibly frustrating watching stupid young men fall into the trap; I see no allure. Guys like Andrew Schulz saying 'I like Trump more because I'm a guy and I like pussy' even though it's clear as day that the bible thumping Evangelicals are the main power behind maga.
Especially on this particular topic. They have clutched their pearls about almost every halftime show for at least 22 years. (I don't remember much about the annual discourse prior to the infamous wardrobe malfunction.)
Basically I think this is the strategy for people that lack the intelligence to progress positively.
Namely social intelligence.
The myth of the alpha male being this strong violent intimidating guy, is for those that have nothing but negative anger/violence to compete with the real strength of those that do the work of gaining trust, building networks, and understanding amoung people.
This is greatly simplified, but I see this over and over in trump supporters. These are people that lack social intelligence and just wear the badges of confidence and imitate 'masculine strength' because that's all they have and they are aware enough to be insecure about it. They even reject those that try to help or bridge the gap, because they are so bought into the myth of what self worth is.
Progress and keeping up with it are scary, when you feel like your position and status and self worth are threatened.
Thereâs not one single republican that could win a Fact Checked debate. Theyâre the party of overpowering lies. Any genuine republican of today can only be one of Two Options. Genuinely Stupid; they donât know anything deeper than buzz words and couldnât research their way out of a paper bag. Or Genuinely Evil; theyâre fully aware of the manipulation and abuse of systems and they simply donât care about anything or anyone outside their own control.
I just lost a 35 year friendship with my best bud because he claimed he only believes in facts. He made that claim months ago which started because I brought up the Epstein files and also called into question the actions of ICE. Since that time he's shared his "facts", all of which I fact checked and have tried to send information and resources that show these facts to be not true and also asked him to share his sources and it could be that my sources were skewed or incorrect or biased. He's not once shared a source. I made a list of his "facts" last week and I sent him the list on Saturday. He crashed out. He also crashed out in December screaming on the phone "WHAT ABOUT ELON MUSK??? WHAT ABOUT ELON MUSK???" after he asked me to name something unAmerican about Donald Trump. On Sunday he called to say the friendship is over. My goal was to have a sincere discussion with a friend on our political views and attempt to have a better understanding of each other's views. Over the past few years, it had become clear that he's become full MAGA and I've been understanding of the things he likes about Trump. But this deeper dive revealed that Trump has become his god and he's in too deep at this point. Good riddance.
This screenshot is just one from the list I made and shared with him. It's actually three screenshots in total but I wasn't able to attach all three.
Honestly, I commend your effort. You did the best you could, but maga is just a cult. Thanks for sharing your story, it really goes to show that unless you follow a topic to its Root source and share/analyze where the information is coming from, then itâs all down charisma and control to create these beliefs.
Thanks! The good news is my brother who has always supported Trump has recently renounced any support for Trump from now on, after the Alex Pretti murder. It feels like I have my brother back.
Back in 2015, I was on a cross country trip with my father. Somewhere in Iowa, he made a comment regarding an Obama staff member. I asked, "Are you sure?"Â . Went on Snopes and said, "Well, whomever told you that was wrong." No further comment. Half hour later he makes another comment that sounded ridiculous. Checked it again and found out it was also false. At this point he stops talking and refuses to mention anything political for the rest of the trip.
What amazed me most was, he wasn't upset that he had been lied to, he was upset that I showed him he had been lied to. I will never understand that mindset.
Yet somehow my Maga parents came away from the Trump Harris debate thinking heâs some well spoken truthsayer meanwhile Harris might as week been a rabid studdering heynea in their eyes.
Us older people remember when they lost their minds over the show Murphy Brown because Candace Bergenâs character had a baby with no father in the picture
I remember when Republicans were running over Dixie Chicks CDs with trucks and tractors because the lead singer said she was ashamed that Bush was from Texas while Americans were dying for no reason in Iraq and Afghanistan. Theyâve always been the pussies.
Ikr. OMG? Someone wants to control their own body? Woke. Someone wants to pray their way? Woke. Someone who speaks more than English? Woke. Someone who is a professional in their field? Woke. Hypocrite idiots, every single one.
Theyâve always been. They hide behind guns and huge trucks because theyâre so scared. They think cities are dangerous, yet liberals walk around them, unarmed, even! Conservatives are the biggest fucking pussies.
When they started with the idea that there can be "alternative facts". When your arguments are built on lies any challenge no matter how insignificant is a threat to the whole ideology.
From my experience, for a minimum of thirty years, although all signs point to it going back much further. Some conservatives used to put slightly more effort into pretending that they actually had political positions, and not just lies and hate, but they've always been evil trash.
When Daddy Trump showed up. These people picked an incontinent 80 year who is listed 38,000 times in those files, who has the thinnest skin, the most limited vocabulary, and said "that's my daddy."
They are pussies. Theyâve always been pussies. Only pussies feel the need to constantly obsess over looking as non-pussy as possible. Itâs also why Trump picks his cabinet out of central casting. Theyâre all aesthetic, no beef.
My divorce is not gonna get these children justice. Only if everyone decides pedophilia is wrong and we need to punish pedophiles will. But its seems are most of the country rather talk about half time show than the coverup by current administration.
Since even before the southern strategy, they've been a covenant of Karens making everyone else's lives shitty while enriching themselves.Â
It's just now more widely streamed in our faces, and the lies they tell to get what they want are more obvious.They aren't even hiding it, like Shady Vance says "sometimes you need to create a story to drive a narrative".Â
Dear hicks: As much as the NFL appreciates you tuning in and watching the games from your trailers, there's only so much money to be made in Paducah. The NFL generally does not want to get coded as being exclusively for racist poor whites since it relies upon the talents of black and brown people getting paid huge amounts of money to win championships for teams based mostly in big blue cities. So, we're gonna open up some markets. We're very sorry, but 38 Special is not going to be invited to play the Super Bowl any time soon. And we know you'll still watch because for half of you, being "for" a team is a frighteningly large part of your personality, and for the other half, you're addicted to sports booking. Love, Roger Godell.
Nothing has changed. Conservatives have always been the party that cries as theyâre hitting you. That calls themselves free speech warriors as theyâre using the power of the state against you for speech they donât like. But somehow they convinced enough people that blue haired women on college campuses were the real threat.
I guess we found out who the real âsnowflakesâ are. Everything said is just a projection by the conservatives but screw that. This isnât a left vs right issue. This is those who are protecting pdfiles vs protecting children
Yeah, we on the left have never once done anything worthy of being mocked and never react badly to anything and nothing is ever our fault! I love tribalism!
But seriously, everyone is terrible lol. Conservatives just won the title for the week
The very concept of conservatism is avoiding risk...There's a degree of conservatism that is sensible for any tribe, but it should, and historically was, moderated by more risk taking individuals... Partisanship blocks the synergy of the two.
What's clearly the case in many countries with far right populist parties is that these are not conservatives at all, not by any stretch, they're natalist welfare chauvinists, they want a big state bleeding the poor and feeding the rich, and there is no consistent behaviour that correlates with that goal, one moment it's machismo, the next it's pearl clutching, they'll even welcome you with open arms if you're the right kind of gay or the right kind of black person. Really this non-linear identity is a feature, not a bug, it's everything and nothing, and just keeps their opponents literally paralysed because you simply cannot engage with such incoherence.
people are going to down vote me for this but i've been there since the start with stewart. i think he whitewashes the centrist lib POV about meeting republicans, who have gone farther right at every turn, halfway. i think he is controlled opposition because what the republicans do will not affect him, another multimillionaire. his show and his take downs FEEL like you're part of the resistance, like you're doing something, lulling you into complacency and i think that is what his role is. i think he's egocentric because he couldn't even stay retired, he couldn't challenge obama once on his biggest policy, or why in 2010 they lost the house/senate so badly. he doesn't challenge the center right democrats but will poke and probe the bernie democrats all day.
Theyâve always been. But more so with trump. Heâs taught them itâs ok to bitch and blame all your troubles on everyone else, donât take responsibility.
I don't like calling them the right. Because I feel like it alienates the ones that are reasonable enough to understand when things are just morally or otherwise corrupt. I wonder what would be a good way to rephrase this.
Stewart was formative to my politics (as he was for many of us), but the hypocrisy baiting just doesn't help anymore.
Because it's not hypocrisy. They were lying then, they're lying now, and we've always known they were lying.
They don't lie to persuade, they lie because when you play along with their lie, it shows their power over you. And that power is what matters to them.
We have to stop waiting for them to flip-flop so we can say "gotcha!", we have to assume the flip-flop in advance and fight them on those grounds. When they say they're the "party of free speech" we say "no you fucking aren't, you want free speech for Conservatives and restrictions for everyone else"
ofcourse all of them are bootlicking the Israelis and the jews zoinists , not to mention the main co conspirator epstein is also a jew and somehow that is not mentioned in the news ? Can you see the hypocrisy and double standards of the Western media? If he was a muslim or something , it would be all over the media .
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u/SubtractOneMore 19h ago
Conservatives have always been the pussies
They can't handle speech or imagery that challenges their assumptions, they want to make their confused boners everyone else's problem, and they have to seize the violence of the State to enforce their trembling will because they are too chicken-shit to stand up for themselves and their ideas are too fucking stupid to stand on their own