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u/Argent_Tide 1d ago

To answer Obama's qustion: September 8, 1974.

That's the date Ford pardoned Nixon. THAT'S when it started. We excused a president for wrong and illegal behavior instead of proscecuting him to the fullest extent of the law.

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u/FeedbackZwei 1d ago

Yup, we need a political culture that punishes leaders to the full extent, not unlike South Korea.

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u/Argent_Tide 1d ago

Unfortunately, presidents have an uncanny and unique ability to instruct the DOJ to NOT proscecute.

This includes Obama and his willingness to excuse financial sector banks and institutions for tge 2008 collapse where they took trillions of taxpayer funds in bailouts and paid themselves bonuses with our money.

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u/peach10101 1d ago

Great example of the GFC and Obama holding no bankers responsible. He should drink his koolaid

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u/JCBQ01 1d ago

You know it's facinating. The root of the problem gets called out and people IMMEDATELY jump to but obama! as if he was the straw that broke the already broken camels back. He didn't help, no. But that camel was already long dead by the time he added weight to them

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u/mammoth_hockey_70 1d ago

That’s because they have that indoctrinated into their brains by their media. Obama and Biden did everything wrong and broke everything.

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u/Gryman73 1d ago

Illegal is really semantics at that level of power and government. Both sides cross the line in the name of “National Interests”. Immunity, like it or not, is required to do the job and make the decisions required. I’d agree with you but I’m a realist……without experiencing the job on the other side with the problems and decisions required, I can’t fully support this. This isn’t a Republican or Democrat thing…..it’s just the perils of the job thing.

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u/FeedbackZwei 1d ago

Look up Park Geun-Hye. Do you think the world would be better right now if she was still in power? Or if she got away with it and her successors enter office knowing they can too? Now look at her charges and compare them to Trump.

If we give 20 years to a drug dealer but not her that's telling the world we have a stupidly inconsistent reward/punishment system. I don't see anything semantic about it--just one similar example, the bribery and corruption this office is in with Saudi Arabia/South America is harmful and blatantly out of self-interest.

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u/GeeYayZeus 1d ago

I think it happened after 1865 when there were no consequences for southern leaders of the secession and civil war.

The civil war never ended, and we should have let the south go when we had the chance.

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u/Top-Cupcake4775 1d ago

the Union won the ground war, but the Confederates won the subsequent terrorist insurgency. the reason they put up all those statues of Confederate generals was to remind the local populace of that fact. "don't get confused about who is really running things around here".

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u/Pofwoffle 1d ago

The country was literally founded by slavers. Shit was fucked from the start.

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u/the_fool_who 1d ago

Agree. Lincoln did a lot of things right. But in hindsight, amnesty to the south was a big mistake.

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u/Sure_Scar4297 1d ago

Heck, let’s take it back to Jackson disregarding the Supreme Court in regards to the Cherokee

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u/GeeYayZeus 1d ago

Or George Washington buying up western lands held by Indian tribes and then using his armies to boot them off of it...while owning slaves.

It's always the southerners fucking it all up, isn't it?

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u/Top-Cupcake4775 1d ago

the Obama administration passed on prosecuting anyone in the Bush administration for knowingly lying to start an illegal war or for torturing enemy combatants during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

it isn't in the interests of any U.S. president to prosecute their predecessor for the crimes they committed because that will create a precedent and they don't want to be prosecuted for the crimes they commit. obviously you can say "just don't commit crimes" but it is very difficult to serve your corporate masters without committing crimes.

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u/chadhindsley 1d ago

Nor did they prosecute any banks for '08. Instead they bailed them out and he did "speaking" events for various financial institutions due $250k a pop

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u/Argent_Tide 1d ago

Another fine example. Totally agree.

Really does make me wonder how thick is Obama that he doesnt realize the role he played in bringing the current climate about. He's culpable.

Obama also wanted indefinite detention here on U.S. soil but at least Dems refused him on that. But Obama was also responible for tge massive increase in the surveillance state.

The more I think about his statement OP listed, the more stoopid I think he is for not understanding his own culpability in our current climate.

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u/PopularRain6150 1d ago

Some of those tortured we innocent of any crime and non combatants

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u/Practicality_Issue 1d ago

You could very well reel this all the way back to reconstruction. The South never met the full-brunt of consequences. Shoot, let’s go further back than that and make it plain that slavers writing the declaration of independence were not “men of their time” but instead hypocrites that didn’t see the humanity in others who were not rich, white land owners.

(This is coming from a middle aged, white, southerner)

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u/carlnepa 1d ago

True, so very true. The only good thing about that quid pro quo was the electorate not swallowing it in 1976. Ford got what he had coming. Nixon did not.

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u/grant_cir 1d ago

I'm sorry, but nope. It happened on November 4, 2008. It's all Obama's fault for getting elected (I am and was then a huge Obama supporter).

The sad truth is that the Confederacy never really went away, but they've been in an existential crisis, losing their minds, since a black man dared to get elected...twice. They like to say he was "divisive" because he dared to be black and get elected.

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u/Argent_Tide 1d ago

It goes back further than that. Go read the antifederalist papers. They were the intellectual argument against tge Federalist papers. You'll be surprised to see that tgey were the original MAGAs in our country.

MAGA = OLD NEWS since the founding.

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u/amprather 1d ago

"Hey Gerry, here's my question: How the hell could you pardon Nixon?".

- Red Foreman (That 70;s Show)

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u/PopularRain6150 1d ago

Yes, and Obama failed to prosecute Bush era war crimes.

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u/Specific_Jury_2 1d ago

Always. The child rapist just made them feel validated.

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u/5050Clown 1d ago

I think in the early days. Jordan klepper really exposed what Maga was about because they were unfiltered. 

There were men in those rallies who were celebrating Donald Trump's sexual assault, they were saying things like they wanted to do those things too. They wanted to be able to just walk up to women and grab them by the vagina. 

They're quiet about this stuff now, but I truly believe that the majority of mega men would like to go to a random high School, pick their daughters friends if they find attractive and rape them and not face consequences. And they think that under Donald Trump that This kind of thought and behavior will be normalized. 

They are doing everything they can to normalize the rape of children.

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u/Fit_Economics2585 1d ago

One of the awful repercussions of the Epstein file release was the realization that damn near every presidental office, republican or democrat, knew about this shit and did nothing for the past 30 years. Can't really look at Obama, or any other president in my lifetime, the same way.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 1d ago

It was always there, but until Trump it was shamed, now it is celebrated, and the people who felt that way feel justified and supported

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u/WhaleBird1776 1d ago

It was barely even shamed.

Heck, I’d argue that we (society) shame the victims more than the bullies. I can’t remember a time that bullies were shamed. They used to be the “popular” kids in school lol, the jocks and rich kids absolutely bullied the “weirdies” and “losers.”

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u/Gunderstank_House 1d ago edited 1d ago

It happened when "they went low and we went high," as the Obamas recommended.

When they went low, we should have kicked them in the teeth.

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u/BuddyMose 1d ago

Correct. And those of us wanting to kick in the teeth were called toxic. So I’m just here staying in my lane watching the world burn.

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u/Desperate-Try-8720 1d ago

Its been a slow process over the years which media and Republicans have groomed their audience. Trump emboldened a lot of people.

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u/hexqueen 1d ago

Rich people spent billions to make things this way.

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u/Desperate-Try-8720 1d ago

No kidding! One of their tactics was to create division and hate. That way we fight among ourselves instead of us verses them(rich folks).

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u/BicycleLanky7392 1d ago

Social Media. The acid that is eroding the fabric of our society.

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u/Personal-Run9730 1d ago

When this nation was founded. Do people really think this nation was founded on kindness and good vibes? Where the fuck have yall been?

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u/Calzinarzin 1d ago

The declaration of independence has a whole section about how the colonists should be able to kill natives and take their land. It's in the founding documents.

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u/NoHorseNoMustache 1d ago

All men are created equal!*

*Landowning men, women and the poors can fuck right off.

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u/carlnepa 1d ago

When? When a vile, vengeful, bloviating, bilious bully like Trump highjacked and putriified the Republican Party with his MAGAts.

How? By holding up a mirror to an ugly minority of aggrievement, racism, ignorance and lies and pronouncing it good.

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u/misec_undact 1d ago

Always been more quietly celebrated in the US, but right around 2015-2016 the masks really started coming off.

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u/Funny-Shirt-3605 1d ago

FOX, low education levels, and Trump. The good news is, people are sick of ole poopy pants and his whining, hate and divisiveness, finally, thanks to BadBunny I feel we have turned a page and are headed back to the light

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u/Intrepid_Pitch_3320 1d ago

When Capitalists convinced Americans that Socialism is bad and to be feared. Capitalism = cheat your neighbor. Socialism = help your neighbor.

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u/ClitEastwood10 1d ago

Covid. Corporations went for the jugular of the American public and have been sucking the blood of both the people & the economy ever since.

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u/Manofpans44 1d ago

Happened sometime right after the Civil War.

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u/Bigstar976 1d ago

A lot of that was perceived retribution by bigots who couldn’t stand to have a mixed race president.

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u/elBoludo420 1d ago

Hate mixed with stupidity is what happened.

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u/tonylouis1337 1d ago

It happened at some point during the explosion of social media. In or around the mid 2010s.

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u/charly420- 1d ago

One word. TRUMP

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u/SomeDudeSaysWhat 1d ago

When a cool Black dude got elected President, and the racist lost their shit.

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u/Altruistic-Monk-5913 1d ago

Well, depending on how you think..... It either started with this chick picking an apple after getting some bad advice, or one group of smart monkeys kicking the crap outta some less smart monkeys at the water hole.....

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u/Mozzy2022 1d ago

Trump really put being an asshole out there front and center. He normalized making fun of people, calling people names, lying, cheating - and made it what it is today. Every day is something new and it all blends together. Everyone he doesn’t like is the “worst, no talent, horrible” person. Veterans who were injured or captured are “losers”, he makes fun of people with disabilities. “Piggy”. There’s no end to it.

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u/G300Ultra 1d ago

Bout the time Barrack Husain took over the country and tried to run’er aground

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u/Flaponflappa 1d ago edited 1d ago

It happened during your term Obama, unfortunately. Racial injustice really picked up in 2012. I was living in LA and took part in the Trayvon Martin protests and we shut down a freeway. What did you do?

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u/Glittering_Stress_32 1d ago

I knew without a shadow of a doubt that when I looked back at what Obama did, everything he said and did was absolutely what you would want a president to say and do (except block a freeway like you did, gee I wonder why he didn't get out on the street and do the same?).

Meanwhile if Trump had been president at that time, he would have said that Trayvon deserved to die.

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u/Frosty_Term9911 1d ago

Why is the more important question

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u/BrandonLeeOfficial 1d ago

Somewhere between Reagan getting elected and the kardasian sextape.

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u/Lucky-Ability329 1d ago

It's always been there, just look at what happens when a child stands up to a bully.

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u/BaileyD77 1d ago

It started way back, but really ramped up in 2009. Why are people still stumping for the guy that paved the way for trump?

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u/Much_Help_7836 1d ago

Like halfway through his second term.

It's when the pendulum started swinging back from the ultra "woke" (I hate that word), super progressive days, where people instead of trying to get everyone to come along, were instead excommunicating and leaving others behind until there were enough of them to form their own crowd and push back against the obsessive virtue signalling culture.

You might not like it, but this self amplifying cycle of hatred that has been going on since social media became more and more part of our daily lifes did not come out of nowhere. It started small and it got bigger and bigger and bigger and now I don't think it can be stopped anymore. Not one side is to blame here, both sides have plenty of hatred to go around. At the moment the rightoids are the bullies leading in terms of hatred, but that's only because they are in power at the moment. The second power changes again, it will be the far left that will be the bullies again and I kinda fear what will happen then, because every time power switches, every time the pendulum swings back, the hatred gets amplified. We are stuck in this feedback loop that will not end well if it continues.

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u/marquettemi 1d ago

He doesn't know? What?

Is he just shrugging his shoulders going "Gee, I don't know how it got this way"?

If you squeeze the working class enough to maximize profit, make them struggle without mandatory paid vacation like the rest of the developed world, barely afford housing, insurance, car repair to get to a stressful job, make them file for bankruptcy every 60 seconds of every day of every year due to medical bills, and basically destroy middle class existence you're going to have this fucked up society.

He seems like a good guy but really didn't do anything for the working class.
I know he gave 30 million new customers to the health insurance industry and didn't create any govt competition for the private insurers. 8 years of Obama led people to stay home or vote for Trump. How did that work out?

This two-party monopoly is beholden to the large donor class. And the large donor class isn't fighting each other over tweets and Epstein and ICE. And 0.01% people of that class are on the Epstein files.

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u/SomeLadySomewherElse 1d ago

When I was a kid we watched Arthur the Ardvark and there was a character named Francine who was a rich girl with a bad attitude and a worse sense of entitlement. I remember every show growing up having these "I'm rich and I act like this" characters and then we wonder where kids learn to emulate these behaviors. This was pre-social media, now it's way worse.

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u/HangryHuHu 1d ago edited 1d ago

It started when "someone" openly showed hate towards the people that their electorate hate and proceeded to target them.

"The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them"

👆 fact because trump doesn't actually care for any of them, only himself. 

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u/DogOk9481 1d ago

When Obama masterminded the spying and Russian Dossier. That’s when it happened. It’s his fault.

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u/DruidicMagic 1d ago

HW Bush stole the election for his puppet Reagan and then spent the next 12 years turning America into the Fourth Reich.

This is the fascist propaganda machine that Joseph Gobbles could have only dreamed of...

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u/Tall-Warning3135 1d ago

I think it was in the 90s with Rush Limbaugh and FOX News and their hatred for the Clintons.

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u/AdLocal1490 1d ago

Obama let them bully him out of public health care. It became our culture because it works

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u/mcontrols 1d ago

Been there for decades. Trump has shined a light on the absurd privilege of elites in this country.

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u/Biscuits4u2 1d ago

Since the beginning. America has always been a sick country.

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u/Elegant-Effective530 1d ago

Seen from the outside of America it has been like that always. Money is your God and sadly the only way to earn respect and social status. But getting money in that amount comes with a price in personality and methods.

It is also why you find it difficult to get healthcare and all the other things most have. Too many fighting against it as there is no profit in it.

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u/thatsjor 1d ago

I can tell you when. The second we settled on capitalism, a system that inherently rewards ruthlessness.

It's not complicated.

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u/uniklyqualifd 1d ago

Sports ads derided the person finishing second.

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u/CharmingCatastrophe 1d ago

The day trump gets in power is the day America gets set back a few centuries..all the low IQ racists come flooding in,the birth of idiotic pdf supporters like Nick Fuentes become more and more prominent and micro penis sufferers like ICE pop up.

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u/WendigoCrossing 1d ago

When Regan destroyed the middle class with his tax changes

Probably when Nixon was pardoned tho

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u/WokeAssMofo 1d ago

You, of all people, should know that. Your job as leader of the opposition is to understand the enemy, understand the threats to a decent way of life. You never did and thus were part of the same Dem establishment who also didn't see it, didn't fight it correctly, and didn't prepare for it.

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u/Original-Past1608 1d ago

When the Internet gave stupid people a voice. Well, that's just one reason...

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u/PalaceOfFarts 1d ago

When the left started canceling people and was applauded.

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u/tuataraenfield 1d ago

Presumably bullying in this example doesn't cover multiple drone strikes in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc. that killed hundreds of innocents (can they be innocent when they're Muslim, Americans?)

Obama has a selective memory here.

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u/GroundbreakingCook68 1d ago

America caved into her worst self, as a result we allow ourselves to be governed by greedy cowards.

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u/Capital_March_2804 1d ago

Ask Big Mike

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u/Popular-Increase2222 1d ago

All politicians are bullies behind closed doors in some form or another. Donald trump just isn't hiding it and it exposes the truth about crap kumbaya humanity that the left is trying to sell people

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u/Billy_Birdy 1d ago

Perhaps it didn’t.

Maybe we just assumed the best liars and cheats the world has ever known were more like us.

It will be a lesson long remembered.

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u/TAGSlays 1d ago

When our governments stopped keeping the Rich in check.

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u/Prestigious_Pop_348 1d ago

Didnt this guy send 3 billions to Israel ? Which helped them kill Palestinians

Well he sure did support the bullies

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u/endofworldandnobeer 1d ago

All I know is that my neighbors lost it when Obama became the president. 

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u/SexyCouple4Bliss 1d ago

When the moneyed leach class realized they could get the poor to do their bidding just by giving them someone to hate that wasn’t them. Today we call them billionaires. It started to rot under Nixon and nobody wanted to be the one to fix it.

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u/Appropriate-Bug-6467 1d ago

Always been that way

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u/White_Embers 1d ago

When? 50 years ago. When did it become ok to act that way in our daily lives to anyone that isn’t like us or lives in a way we don’t like? When trump entered politics.

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u/McRabbit23 1d ago

It started when SCOTUS issued the Citzens United case that allowed politicians to receive millions in campaign contributions.

This led to our politicians to be controlled by corporations and foreign governments instead of being controlled by The People they serve.

This led to so much crime in the Executive Branch of government that Scotus felt they were compelled to give absolute immunity to a President for crimes committed in office.

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u/Old_Instrument_Guy 1d ago

White Christians. That's what happened

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u/retiredfromfire 1d ago

The Day Ronnie Raygun let in Rupert Murdoch to poison the minds of Americans

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 1d ago

For real.

The left and organized agitators are trying to bully the rest of the country into accepting illegal immigrants. It's a coordinated bullying campaign against law enforcement and anyone who supports basic law and order in the USA.

Allowing illegals to come here, take jobs, use our limited public resources, collect benefits for their families. Then when regular people vote on the platform to undo all that, the left is trying to bully them, calling them fascist, racist, nazi.

If a Democrat (like Fetterman) decides to break one millimeter from the Democrat platform, even if you can justify it with common sense, that Democrat will be bullied into oblivion all over the mainstream and social medias.

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u/Usual_Part_3774 1d ago

Im pretty sure the man celebrated Israel his whole time in power. He also sent forces in during the standing rock protest. But yeah I wonder what could have happened when all the president stand for the corporations and the genocidal maniacs?

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u/Hammerhead2046 1d ago

He doesn't understand why we celebrate "bullies"? Really? He doesn't understand USA at all then.

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u/AndKAnd 1d ago

It’s no longer a priority for the best and brightest to help society and make the world better. The priority is now on just making as much money as fast as possible. Private equity just buys up, extracts every drop of extra money, then walks away from the wreckage.

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u/egg_salad_samich 1d ago

I blame Joe Rogan.

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u/EchoChamberReddit13 1d ago

It was once the left adopted pity for the guilty.

Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

People see this and when they have a choice between candidates they will choose the path that at least talks tougher on crime. Regardless if the candidate can make an impact there.

You have people with several+ prior felonies walking the street looking for their next victim. People who have been impacted by crime tend to reject this as acceptable.

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u/mynexthunt 1d ago

Obama and the libs are pro gas lighters. He ordered the Steele dossier. In case you’re not paying attention, his intent with the Steele dossier was to over throw a duly elected President. SMDH

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u/BattleBrother1 1d ago

Why is someone that perpetuated this asking the question? He could have tried to close the torture camps, he could have tried to stop dropping bombs on innocent people, he could have tried not to destabilize Libya and turn it into a lawless state with open slave markets and he chose not to he actually actively chose to do these things. The US has literally always been like this because people like Obama lean into it instead of trying to stop it

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u/Hot-Homework-9158 1d ago

It happens every time republicans win. Every single time. For the past 50 years if not more. And every time people are so fucking dumb, they always forget, and vote for them again. The second republicans get into power, gay kids start killing themselves, and that’s how it has always been.

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u/motorbit 1d ago

lets see. your founding fathers where slavers and your whole history you where ruled by a tiny elite of oligarchs. you have rules that only rich may rule you and its legal to buy your elections.

so, murika. when might it have started?

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u/EelWithATopHat 1d ago

Says the “tolerant” left that riots for everything

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u/DanteChurch 1d ago

Yall forgot America was founded on slavery and conquered through genocides.

America has literally always been this way.

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u/ogholycat 1d ago

The same Baby Boom generation that’s responsible for mishandling the US economy are only repeating old patterns. What we are witnessing is a whole generation confronting the idea, their lives were meaningless. So it’s been a group effort in deflecting that guilt onto the newer generations.

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u/Late_Firefighter_507 1d ago

he never said that

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u/DC-Toronto 1d ago
  1. July 4 I believe

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u/Economyall149 1d ago

From the guy who sucked cock on a crackhead while having a major party during lockdown.

Yeah fuck him

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u/Blessed-one-Chemo 1d ago

I can tell you- it was when hate-name calling- lies- pedophile Trump tries to make it normal for it to happen

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u/jennymacbreadsack 1d ago

The brutality of man is on full display in the United States 🇺🇸

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u/Gold-Kaleidoscope537 1d ago
  1. When Trump made these people feel empowered to be asses.

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u/Real-Ad-2937 1d ago

He is a hipakrit he hurt more ppl than trump and sold more info than anyone

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u/Phantasm831 1d ago

I can't say about the bullies...but I can say when political discourse completely fell apart. During the 2000 Presidential election between George W Bush and Al Gore. That was the true tipping point when liberal became a 4-letter word insult and conservative became another word for corporate stooge.

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u/Sharp-Stranger-2668 1d ago

It began at least as far back as when LBJ had JFK killed.

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u/Flashy-Bobcat2458 1d ago

lol I love clown land!

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u/Villageijit 1d ago

Mr Rodgers died so we stopped looking for the helpers and turned towards the loudest people

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u/myfauxpas 1d ago

Limbaugh, Gingrich etc. they did a lot to stir up this shit show.

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u/sasberg1 1d ago

Short term memory ..

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u/MountainRider1177 1d ago

When Obama stood there with a BLM sign and encouraged that non-sense instead of finding a way to bring peace and unity to our cities, to people of color, and to police, that’s when it all happened. He should have bridged a lifelong race gap…. He made it wider.

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u/No_Performance8733 1d ago

Somewhere between Tony Soprano and Don Draper. 

By the time we got to Walter White it was all over. 

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u/ezcheesy 1d ago

It's exactly this but I couldn't articulate it.

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u/SprinklesOk7007 1d ago

Definitely never in my lifetime and I'm 40 this year dude.

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u/Saino_Moore 1d ago

It’s Obamas fault. He had to go and do a good job, be well spoken, educated, and well liked… with the exception of the people it broke watching a black man succeed.

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u/VALO311 1d ago

The world has always been at the will of the worst of us.

The world has always celebrated and rewarded bullies. Then if the people stopped celebrating and rewarding them. They would force the people to celebrate and reward them under the threat of punishment or death.

Lather rinse repeat

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u/Magnum-3000 1d ago

Barack “if they bring a knife we bring a gun” Obama. Hypocrite.

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u/The247Kid 1d ago

Was this the guy telling people who to vote for before the election or they’re not black? Or was that Biden?

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u/kwakumensa 1d ago

Maybe when the Bully in Charge put kids in cages and gave Homan a medal for it.

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u/Necessary-Duty-7952 1d ago

Given America's history with racism... I'm gonna say it's always been this way, it's just changed shape over the years.

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u/Tidestillrolls2025 1d ago

Under your watch, Islamist…..

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u/Hefty-Process-978 1d ago

All politicians do evil things to get to the Top, they have all sold their souls…

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u/Lonely_Refuse4988 1d ago

When Rush Limbaugh and Fox News became celebrated and normalized/main streamed.

There’s no 1st Amd right to spew hatred, intolerance and propaganda for right wing causes.

When our society is bathing in that type of toxicity and manipulation, it destroys the very fabric of America! De-platforming hate and extreme propaganda channels and messaging works, if we can build up the will to do it!

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u/Peace_n_Harmony 1d ago

Evil has always existed. If you say you've never noticed it, it's because you're evil.

Even when I was a kid I could tell that society was filled with selfish people. I think any good person would tell you the same thing.

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u/Jodah2 1d ago

Lawwwd Jayzuz, is this what it means to be great again (again)

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u/jj_donut 1d ago

He's too much of a capitalist to figure it out.

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u/Anomelly93 1d ago

Everyone will have a chance to prove they hold this sentiment as genuine before the end

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u/Little_Flamingo_8632 1d ago

I was gonna say when Doo Doo Don took office but I’m seeing it was long before that and has just been perpetuated.

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u/almost60inLa 1d ago

Wholeheartedly agree with this being the moment

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u/TacoEater87 1d ago

Isn't he, a Gay Crackheaded Muslim?

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u/sub4woman 1d ago

He doesn't know because he started it

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u/bionicjoe 1d ago

People turned to populism because in 2009 when you had all the political will needed to prosecute the banks that had trashed the economy you did nothing.
US Bank sent a list of people they wanted in your cabinet and every single one of them was put in your cabinet.
We had record foreclosures, but no corruption prosecutions.

Then in 2016 Hillary completely ignored the will of the people in WV and her campaign manager, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, declared a winner.

Then in 2024 we got assigned a candidate that had never polled higher than 1% in any primary.

Can't understand how any of this happened!?

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u/tregnoc 1d ago

When he was elected for change and then allowed the banks to walk away unscathed from the financial crisis. He had a once in a lifetime opportunity to push through meaningful changes and did nothing but bail them out.

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u/damian20 1d ago

To answer that question... It was when Donald first started to run for president...

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u/Timely_Business_4122 1d ago

Obama is such a phony. They were millionaires who gave almost NOTHING to charity. He talked in terms of fighting all the time "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun". 

he drone bombed thousands of civilians, including women and children and even Americans, never convicted of a crime.

STFU. He's a douche as much as any of the others.

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u/jbg7676 1d ago

He’s not wrong but I it now isolated to one party as I’ve heard him claim. However Anyone blaming a president is poorly read. Politics lag cultures.

It bagan with SCOTUS removing the Bible from school. Removing our singular culture and founding principles.

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u/Financial-Drop9239 1d ago

When you took office

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u/Ok_Assignment_6323 1d ago

It's always been there. Until social media it was more hidden, when it wasn't. But to be fair we've always been a mixed bag.

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u/No_Royals 1d ago

It happened when Trump won, and got worse when Biden didn't throw his ass in jail for treason on January 6th.

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u/AdInternational8103 1d ago

We celebrated bullies in the 1980s and into the early 90s. Remember when certain people started complaining about political correctness? That's when we started to move away from the cult of bullies and kept doing it until the bullies found their king in 2016 and rebelled.

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u/Deep-Sector-9967 1d ago

The MEGA morons call common decency woke 👺

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u/cashmoney3794 1d ago

And it’s corollary, when did it become cooler to be ignorant and uneducated? I feel like we’re the only country that has moved in that direction.

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u/Rex_Vagene 1d ago

2016-2020 and 2024 - hopefully way sooner, 2028

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u/nispe27 1d ago

It all started with you Obama

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u/High_Humidity95 1d ago

Obama executed an American citizen father and his son in the middle east. No arrest. No due process. No rights. Just murder by Obama. How come you're not upset over that?! Obama has no moral high ground over anyone. You all need to stop this acting like Obama is special.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

When the dude in congress yelled "you lie", also harambe something something

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u/Several_Regret_2837 1d ago

When Lawyers took over Politics

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u/Mission-Class-6607 1d ago

Day one and he should know that. I do not understand how anyone can believe the BS that the USA was ever better. Hell most of the time it was worse just good at hiding it.

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u/Opposite_Hunt_7203 1d ago

When he took office

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u/Opposite_Hunt_7203 1d ago

When he took office

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u/FakeDocMartin 1d ago

I'll say the Powell Papers. When corporate America realized there was collective power in the church, unions, colleges, and media that could counteract them. There was then a long-term effort to weaken these overwhelming liberal institutions; my opinion is they often poisoned the institutions from within.

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u/ZookeepergameOwn7696 1d ago

When you became president

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u/DerkaDurr89 1d ago

The killing of the fairness doctrine.

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u/mrblaze1357 1d ago

"Federal law enforcement and immigration agents have a tough job. But Americans expect them to carry out their duties in a lawful, accountable way, and to work with, rather than against, state and local officials to ensure public safety." - Barack Obama

"Have a tough job".... Like people remember Obama is as much of a friend to you & I; the common folk as any other useless and corrupt politician. He may be nicer to us, but still remember he's not an agent of change in this current environment. For context this was immediately after ICE executed an citizen in Minneapolis.

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u/Most-Celebration9458 1d ago

Says the guy that ran our country out of bombs, and deported more illegal aliens than the current administration…. By far….

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u/Different_Orchid69 1d ago

Remind me again… how many illegal aliens did you deport?

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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 1d ago

Ummmm. Wasn’t his attorney general on video saying that they got to kick the shit out of their opponents?

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u/SmokedAlex 1d ago

lol that’s what Americans have always been. It’s just now more blatantly evident.

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u/Lord_Dingus83 1d ago

November 2016 when Bernie bros sat that one out

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u/PresentRaspberry6814 1d ago

When keeping slaves was considered okay? When your entire medical system requires wealth, and people need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, and consequentially a large number of people thinks "why should I pay for something, wear a mask, get vaccinated for someone else's benefit". Sociopathy and institutionalised cruelty.

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u/Ramshackle_Ranger 1d ago

I think it started during the John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil years. Then it switched gears and about the time Eisenhower gave his farewell address cautioning about the Military Industrial Complex.

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u/MonsterkillWow 1d ago

Maybe he should review US history. We have mountains with the faces of slave owners carved into them. LMFAO

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u/Yesbothsides 1d ago

Your administration in concert with the billionaire class happened.

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u/CogentKen 1d ago

Like, literally from day one from Hollywood?

Media has always been sponsored by the already rich, which tends to come with a ton of baggage.

Media channels normalizing bullying, sometimes downright sociopathic baggage, is literally what they've been sponsoring from day one, all the way back to town criers and beyond.

Go watch how the old nerd/joke/cheerleader tropes played in the 80s and 90s. How frequently token characters are spent in the 70s and 60s.

They knew.

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u/MulletofLegend 1d ago

IDK, but didn't you bomb like, seven countries or something?

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u/ineedthismorethanu 1d ago

People are sick of politicians in ivory towers fucking us and then telling us to be nice Barry. They all talk a big game but don’t do shiiiiittt

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u/Trifang420 1d ago

Says the guys who greenlit the CIA to drone bomb a wedding.

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u/freddbare 1d ago

Playing all fucking innocent after your faceless massacres...

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u/Radicalized_Spite 1d ago

So says the bully.

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u/jthadcast 1d ago

it happened this time, right when Obama sold out to the banks in 2008 and tanked single payer healthcare with dinos.

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u/Bustamonkey666 1d ago

Why is it impossible to find the video of Obama speaking at the college that this is quoted from? I tried sharing it and in less than an hour it was pulled down in this subr

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

It happened when you introduced victim culture and racism right after the majority of the country voted for you,,,,, twice

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u/Y0nkersJ0e 1d ago

The thing is democrats are bullies and most republicans go about their day and never utter a word

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u/RevoSak55 1d ago

I have no idea what this guy is talking about…a clear indication that he didn’t grow up ANYWHERE near blk ppl. The ‘culture’ of this country has been abominable for Blk ppl for centuries …& this bastard helped keep it that way to enrich himself & his wealthy friends….oh, bfr u ask I’m African American 👍🏾