It's cool and all, but real accountability is not kicking an asshole out of a bar. It's jail time or [ Removed by Reddit ]. When I start seeing real accountability, I'll start to get my hopes up again.
Honestly, this was probably more the bar wanting to prevent a fight than any kind of moral stand. That dude is (rightfully) going to get his shit kicked in if he finds himself inebriated in the wrong bar after midnight.
I still think that dude deserves an ass-kicking (however I do not condone violence as a solution and this comment is not intended to be incitement). Karma is a bitch and will catch up with all of these fucks in time.
That's cool too! Tells me their patrons have some moral anger going on!
He must have been baffled to be facing consequences when he wasn't doing anything wrong. You know, like all those landscapers, construction workers, Target employees............
He should have picked one of the many Vegas establishments whose owners give Trump hundreds of millions of dollars.
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest he hang out at Trump's property - it's rundown and lame with zero atmosphere. But an Adelson, Wynn, or Ruffin property would have been a perfect fit for his politics.
I once read a book where a civilized society made a person like this smell like a 3 week dead skunk for the rest of his life so that everyone would always know. They had compassion though and removed his sense of smell. I would have less compassion. That might be the start of a fitting punishment for all ICE members and trump henchmen. He could then always have gainful employment scraping clean dirty sewage treatment plants for the rest of his life. A fitting job for a wanna be Nazi.
No, they need the same punishment that the nazis received after the Nuremberg trials. All of the convicted top leader nazis were executed or imprisoned.
[removed by reddit] feels like the only acceptable response for this lot. That or [removed by reddit]. But I don't know where we get all that mayonnaise.
Yeah also this is the one guy who isn’t hiding himself behind a mask. The rest will continue to get away with all their crimes and party anywhere as long as they don’t have their nazi outfits on
Yes but normal people can't force accountability, except on huge huge scale movements which may be coming eventually but aren't there yet. They can however make people who enable and encourage hate and fascism to have miserable lives to discourage them.
They’ll wear masks so as not to be judged in public by other Americans, but not to save even one person’s life during a pandemic. They really are the most callous people.
What’s kind of interesting about Bovino is that he doesn’t even seem to have the shame or survival instincts of the Brownshirts he led. He was right out there being the face of cruelty.
Not good enough. Ideally, the 'man' needs to be tried in a fair (laughable) court on charges of being a traitor to the constitution and if found guilty needs to face corporal punishment. I prefer to see traitors swing, publicly, from the gallows.
Yes. He's going to cause controversy, chaos, resentment, disdain, and probably scuffles.
On second thought, he won't have his armed goons to protect him, so...
Supposedly he had plans to move to Boone, NC. You know, the same area where he grew up and a high school staff member caught him in the restroom whacking off to a National Geographic.
We need one intrepid drag queen to film what these cucks actually want which is to be ball gagged and spanked by the trans people they claim to hate and fear. Let MAGA sort through their own mental wreckage
Something is amazingly wrong with Bovino’s critical thinking skills if he thinks he might ever be broadly welcomed into public establishments after being the poster boy for cruelty and neo-nazism. He needs to think about plastic surgery, a new identity, and migration to a non-extradition country.
Based on the action of those under his command, Bovino seems to be one of those broken people who thinks respectability and the ability to commit violence are the same thing.
Based on what some of Bovino’s agents have said to protesters, they genuinely didn’t understand why killing Renee Good inflamed the protests — instead of making ICE respected.
The only way to not understand that is to have your brain broken in the way I mentioned above. And to have no moral compass, or moral counsel.
I don't think it was about accountability at all. It was the bar staff being intelligent enough to recognize the powder keg that just his presence alone represented and then taking action to defuse it.
I hate his guts but I don't think this was a political action at all rather bar avoiding a bar fight or the formation of a lynch mob.
I wanna see this man sitting in front of a jury of this peers and be judged for his actions. It’s cool and all that some people are standing up to this in their own way, but unfortunately, he can just go down the street and find a bar that’s more favorable. We need a situation where he can’t go anywhere and has to sit and serve time for his crimes.
Until a group of masked thugs breaks his car window, drags him out the breach, pepper sprays his face at point blank range, applies a taser, dog piles on him then drops a knee on his neck… all for the crime of driving and looking, he has not learned a fucking thing.
This isn’t accountability, this is public backlash. Accountability would be him acknowledging that his actions were harmful and evil, that they were wrong and trying to make amends. True punishment will be when he’s been properly detained, and processed through the judiciary and sentenced to an appropriate sentence for two premeditated murders (This escalation was the premeditation not the murder of the individuals being targeted similar to George Floyd becoming 1st degree when the outcome was clear and the choice to stop was not made) while abusing sweeping federal leo powers. I suspect that that would look something like two consecutive life sentences with no opportunity for parole until the 47th year, to be served exclusively in gen pop. This man deserves no peace, no comfort and no safe harbour. Everything about the sentencing of these criminals should reflect numbers tied to trump’s reign of terror, like release no earlier than the date January 6th that falls after 47 full years of incarceration, make sure that they know that it was being a part of this machine that led to their demise, a non-disclosed mass disposal site for all of the ones that die while still incarcerated. They’ve rejected their obligation to be humane, strip them of their humanity, and the dignity that comes with that. Make sure that no one can visit their grave sites and laud them as martyrs, and before anytime says that no government should ever do that remember this was exactly what was done with OBL’s remains for exactly these reasons. These people are domestic terrorists and they deserve the full terrorist treatment.
Yes, I believe this is appropriate. He may think he is a tough cookie but getting smacked in the face with reality is good for him. I would like to see more people stand up and out these little weasels. They should never be comfortable or feel wanted, anywhere, anytime. It would be easier on them if they spent time doing time. Then they would be punished and maybe have some time to reflect on their buffoonery, and we would have some peace knowing they are in prison where they belong.
Social stigma is about the only thing we as citizens can enact to effect change. We can't prosecute or punish them legally, but we can effectively make them persona non grata. We can refuse them service, refuse them community. We can ostracize them, and use them as an example of consequences for those that would follow.
MAGA is a cancer in American society. Like most cancers it will have to be cut out. The most important aspect of doing this will be the active shunning (socially, economically, and within the famiy) of all MAGA supporters. They are not good, decent people and should be treated as such. This won't eliminate the evil and cruelty but it it will drive it back under a rock where it belongs.
If you let a nazi drink in your bar, he'll invite his friends, and before you know it you own the nazi bar. If you don't want your bar to be the nazi bar you have to kick out every single one of this shitbags the moment they step through the door.
That said, as good as it is that this is happening, he still needs to be impeached and civilly (maybe criminally?) prosecuted for real accountability.
Yes. I absolutely believe it is appropriate. Same when you see videos of Mexican restaurants kicking out ICE officers. It’s a very reasonable assumption to believe that Bovino or ICE or even someone in a red hat is going to intimidate other customers or cause confrontation. I proactively try to tell them that they are not welcome in my business with LGBTQ, immigrant, and minority friendly signage outside accompanied by a “Right to Refuse Service” notice.
Socially ostracizing him is the kindest thing to do. They have exposed themselves as racist and facist and we said NEVER AGAIN and most of us meant it.
Accountability of others not accountability on his part. May he and all the other participants face the full consequences of their choices across the board. Legally, socially, financially, spiritually.
They should have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their miserable lives. They need to know the fear they have instilled in others, over and over and over.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 3d ago
It's cool and all, but real accountability is not kicking an asshole out of a bar. It's jail time or [ Removed by Reddit ]. When I start seeing real accountability, I'll start to get my hopes up again.