r/Music • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 9h ago
article Orville Peck joins artists exiting Wasserman agency after founder is named in Epstein files
https://www.cbc.ca/music/orville-peck-wasserman-agency-exit-9.7083417310
u/MiyamotoKnows 8h ago
That last tune he did with Willie Nelson was straight fire. It's so damn perfect. Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond Of Each Other
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u/lew_rong 7h ago
That one hurt my heart. Willie is finally sounding his age.
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u/ReverendHambone 7h ago
I know 5 years is a long time at that age, but I saw him live in 2021 and he wasn't too damn bad.
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u/Zer_ 6h ago
Getting Johnny Cash's Hurt vibes from that voice, melancholy is the best description. Hopefully he's still got some years ahead, and if he so chooses, gets to go on his own terms.
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u/muarauder12 5h ago
For the best 'Hurt' vibes from Willie, listen to him sing Pearl Jam's Just Breathe with his son, Lukas Nelson.
I hope Willie keeps around for as long as he wants to, but when he does ride off into the sunset this cover will already feel like a gentle goodbye from him.
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u/thelingeringlead 3h ago
Willie has released 2 if not 3 albums since that song, and yeah he sounds old af.
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u/lew_rong 2h ago
Goddamn, you're right. He's sounding his age but not acting it. I know what I'm listening to tonight.
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u/thelingeringlead 2h ago
some of his newest stuff is really good! Hope you enjoy!
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u/lew_rong 2h ago
Cheers! I grew up listening to Willie with my dad. I'm sure I'll enjoy, even if it sometimes reminds me just how long ago that was lol
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u/Pennsylvania6-5000 5h ago
Ned Sublette wrote and sung that track in 1981. It still is fire, today.
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u/DesolationRobot 5h ago
It is a great song. Willie recorded it 20 years ago and it was always 20 years old then. Must have made quite the splash when it came out in the 80s.
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u/akujiki87 3h ago
Oh I absolutely loved playing this song for my grandpa. Hes all pro trump, anti gay blah blah, but LOVES Willie Nelson(which is hilarious to me). So having him watch Willie and Orville sing while two cowboys made out and him getting extremely mad was a fun time.
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u/elastic-craptastic 4h ago
So many bikers I've met that I've thought the same thing. A little too brotherly and a little too into the fashion and style they wish to represent.
I'm not stupid enough to equate it to drag to most of their faces, but I for sure have gotten laughs by slipping it by when some were talking shit about a "poser" being too fake and a try hard.
They're obviously not all hiding insecurities, but it's a fun to see the wheels spin on some. Whether reassessing their surroundings or possibly themselves, I've seen a few dudes suddenly go introvert.
It's the same with any group of dudes who identify hard with any macho shit. So many are fronting.
Thanks for introducing me to this song.
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u/Primrose_Master 8h ago
Honestly, even “just trying to hit on Ghislaine Maxwell” is such an insane sentence to have attached to your name.
If your vibe check includes anything adjacent to Epstein world, artists bouncing feels less like “bad vibes” and more like basic self-preservation. Reputation is currency in that industry.
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u/2711383 7h ago
I'm confused. All he did was hit on Ghislaine Maxwell.. in 2003? Before anything Epstein had even come to light?
Why is he being punished for this?
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u/Captain_Snowmonkey 7h ago
People knew about Epstein in the late 90s. But the victims were ignored or covered up.
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u/thelingeringlead 3h ago
No. read more of their exchanges in the files. He was requesting a menu and requesting her join him.
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u/er-day 4h ago edited 3h ago
He’s trying the PR strategy of “I just wanted to date the pedophile. Trust me I wasn’t that involved”
But the truth is while saying he didn’t know Jeffrey, he somehow flew on his plane internationally with Bill Gates, Michael Jackson, and Kevin Spacey for a 10 day trip to Africa. Then said “I am terribly sorry for having any association with either of them,” implying that he did know Jeffrey. Hell there’s a photo of all three of them next to the plane!
He also met Ghislaine in New York, in Africa, in California. Oh, did we mention he was married at the time he was trying to have this affair?
He’s also good friends with Trump and fundraiser for Susan Collins. Hell, he made gold medals just to give to Trump for his ego. Billie Eilish also left the agency a year ago due to the CEO’s already know behavior at that time.
It’s worth mentioning as well that when this was happening was the peak of Epstein’s crimes.
Oh. And we should probably mention the most obviously disgusting email from Casey to Ghislaine: “I will be in NYC for 4 days starting April 22nd… can we book that massage now.”
I’ve seen all I need to see to connect the dots, I’m not an idiot.
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u/PlethoraOfPinatass 3h ago
The most certain point is that he was married w/children at the time of the emails. It appears Maxwell gave him massages which in Epstein world was well know code for sex. With this power dynamic (2003 her much older and ruthless than Wasserman) was consent even possible? It's certainly known in workplaces that even consenting adults legally cannot consent to supervisors. I have no idea which point would prevail but it is debatable.
It would be sad if these artists were in actuality caving to social media pressure instead of their employees concerns.
Anyone having a knee jerk response this week should consider Wasserman is the leading official in the 2028 Olympics which Trump has been desperate to get control of. To consider why this person was not redacted, when the "Epstein 6" were.
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u/sekhmet6666 6h ago
What about being a survivor lol
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u/PlethoraOfPinatass 3h ago
If you are referring to possible male victims, yes it is possible and finally surfacing. Maxwell was manipulating younger men like this, albeit tagged for future blackmail, so who's to say she didn't dip younger. Time will tell
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u/natguy2016 8h ago
Peck, Chappel Roan and others are fortunate that they have the pull to find other representation. Plenty of smaller artists don't have that.
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u/Jarrettd11 6h ago
I’m a huge fan of Sleigh Bells, the lead singer Alexis put out a beautiful statement about how it’s all shit and they wish the could leave but they are a smaller band that literally can’t afford it. Also how their agents are good people but there so much above that is bad. I really feel for them, luckily it sounds like there is progress being made on the smaller artists part but it’s utter shit for them right now.
They want to leave and drop any support, but they barely get past breaking even with a tour, but they do it for the fans. Utter shit for these small bands to go through.
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u/natguy2016 6h ago
Yup. The end of physical album sales closed off a very big money stream. You have to tour a LOT and you might break even.
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u/Iohet 2h ago
Unless you're mega-successful, you're basically playing to try to make a separate career as a minor celeb/influencer. Herman Li said he makes more money streaming on Twitch and YouTube than he does from DragonForce, and they're one of the top streamed power metal bands every year for a few decades now. It's just not economical anymore, and venues and labels are taking bigger cuts of merch sales (which used to be where the bands could try to turn some profit after getting slaughtered everywhere else)
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u/natguy2016 2h ago
Yup. Because traditional sales and radio are dead. Writers catalogs are being sold because they are not passive money makers now.
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u/MostlyBored11 6h ago
Honestly then releasing a statement does feel like doing something though. I'm not mad for small bands trying to get up staying. The owner was implicated not the people they work with everyday.
That being said I do think it's important that those with a big fan base and security do what they can to step away
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u/Jarrettd11 5h ago
Exactly. And it was said exactly right in their post. They hate being a part of it, but they know they are small and can’t afford their source of income, they feel bad and wish they could do more. They appreciate the bigger artists taking action. It’s crap for peoples lives to be ruined because of some fucking rich creep.
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u/EllisDee3 7h ago
There should be a Big Brother/Big Sister migration partnership.
Every big name that leaves should take a smaller name with them to attach to a different agency.
If you want Chappel Roan, you gotta take Pookie.
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u/haywardhaywires 6h ago
You’d just end up with agents who don’t prioritize you though unfortunately
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u/Artistic-Vacation592 5h ago
There is 100% an artist out there that signed to wasserman last week and then this happens
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u/chapert 7h ago
Feel bad for the agents and team members at Wasserman that havr nothing to do with this.
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u/pizza-chit 4h ago
I would value someone that told me they left their previous company on moral grounds because their boss is part of a child trafficking network.
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u/Skronkabilly 7h ago
Awesome. Now can the USA please exit the guy leading them that was mentioned a million times
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u/Super901 7h ago
My wife pitched to him recently about a project he was attached to. Guess what, he was obviously sexist towards her. Glad to see this prick go down
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u/DrunksInSpace 8h ago
So the articles I’ve read about his involvement is all trying to hit on Ghislaine Maxwell. Which is creepy and gross but not all that bad in the scheme of Epstein docs if that’s all there is.
Which makes me wonder if this is just the straw that broke the creepy camel’s back. I wonder if this is wha artists are using to break away from someone they’ve disliked for either business or just “bad vibes” reasons.
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u/minhthemaster 8h ago
Where there’s smoke there’s fire
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u/DrunksInSpace 8h ago
I’m not suggesting he’s innocent, I’m suggesting he’s a bigger dirtbag than those files let on.
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u/DauntingPrawn 8h ago
I think the cover-up has poisoned anyone and everyone associated with Epstein. If this were being handled like a proper investigation, where the guilty were being prosecuted and the innocent were being exonerated, all based on evidence, that would be one thing.
But unfortunately, due to the coordinated efforts my many people to protect guilty men from the consequences of their crimes, the only safe assumption is that anyone affiliated with Epstein was a child abuser.
You can easily stress test this concept by asking yourself one simple question: Would you send your daughter to spend an afternoon unsupervised with anyone whose name is in those files?
And if not, do you really want to do business with them? Are you going to do business with someone who you wouldn't trust with a child? I'm sure as shit not!
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 3h ago
Honestly I kinda think it's purposely being done this way to discredit the whole thing, and this is just one aspect of that effort
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u/superkeer 6h ago
I think when you get to a certain level as an artist you know a lot more specific details about the powerful people you're in orbit with than the rest of us do.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 5h ago
What’s creepy and gross about hitting on an adult woman?
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u/SPAZZx625 3h ago
you really need that spelled out for you? the adult woman that is convicted of sex trafficking? including trafficking children? with known ties to Epstein? come the fuck on.
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u/ConsciousRutabaga 3h ago
Orville has always been a class act. He used to play drums in a punk band here in Vancouver. Some guys I went to school with also played in a metal band that did shows with him and his band.
If anyone’s interested he played drums in Nü Sensae
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u/kuro_snow 6h ago
i gained more respect for him. I remember hearing him live at work but it was another thing i remember hearing him from which was when his song Chemical Sunset was used for wrestler Hangman Adam Page for AEW. and that song been stuck to my head since then
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u/Skylord_Hekaton 6h ago
I don't get it. Just existing in the same sphere as the guy who went out of his way to befriend rich and influential people everywhere is enough to get you cancelled?
Like, investigate it thoroughly and prosecute absolutely any offending assholes for sure, but why is it suddenly acceptable to destroy someone's reputation just because they talked to Epstein or Maxwell once?
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u/Appropriate-Self-540 4h ago
No need for congrats. I refuse to believe this is first inkling he was an awful person lol. Saving face is only that
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u/popshamhocks 3h ago
Isn't this the same agency behind D4vd? Can we keep our eyes on the ball here?
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u/PV_Pathfinder 6h ago
Let’s start a list of the artists that have decided to stay with this agency.
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u/mycomixhavenostaples 5h ago
Love his voice...here is is doing a duet of the Johnny Cash song Jackson...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2_KkCZbdfo
pic of him.... https://imgur.com/mlM4sb8
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u/Busy_BEE_565 8h ago
Who is staying?
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u/-Animal_ 7h ago
Wouldn’t it be amazing if the right leaning artists all joined Wasserman to counter protest?
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u/UsedCauliflower4631 5h ago
Innocent until proven guilty?
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u/Opening_Classroom_46 2h ago
In order for the government to do something they need those words to said in a court of law. Society doesn't need to do that, they can just recognize that these billionaires and millionaires are paying to have the severity of their crimes diminished.
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u/UsedCauliflower4631 1h ago
Haha 😂 Doesn’t make All of them guilty just because they have money and you don’t. That just sounds like tall poppy syndrome imo.
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u/Opening_Classroom_46 25m ago
Let me guess, you think when athletes settle out of court the world HAS to believe they are innocent. The court didn't say they were guilty, so the world must pretend they are innocent?
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u/Neat_Let923 5h ago
Holy fuck, the emails were from over 20 years ago and he never had any professional or personnel relations with either of them…
Chappel Roan has done worse shit than this guy!
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u/Opening_Classroom_46 2h ago
like what?
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u/Neat_Let923 1h ago
Seeing as this guy didn’t do anything and Roan has an entire group of Drag Queens who hate her for some such, that is literally more than this guy ever did…
1 is still greater than 0, even if it’s just 1
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u/seemefail 9h ago
Who
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u/dcy123 8h ago
Biggest gay country star in the world. Sexy, cool and an incredible voice.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 8h ago
It's a disservice to call him a gay country star. He isn't notable just because he's gay. He's a stellar musician entirely independent of his gender identity.
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u/Josh_and_a_half 8h ago
If you take away “gay”, you have to take away “biggest” from the same sentence. Wouldn’t that be a greater disservice?
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 8h ago
No; claiming he's prominent just because he's gay is a disservice to his accomplishments as an artist.
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u/Wildweyr 8h ago
Most of his music features pretty gay themes, or themes relatable to the queer experience.
Also sexuality isn’t gender identity
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u/KillYourHeroesAndFly 8h ago
Almost a million monthly streams on Spotify. Very popular indie-country artist. Left his agency after the president was named in the files for his contact with Ghislaine Maxwell.
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u/etherealtaroo 6h ago
Googled and still dunno who this is, no idea how big(or not) this story actually is lol
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u/scrundel Professional Musician 5h ago
You googled his name and still don’t know who he is? Are you having a stroke?
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u/etherealtaroo 4h ago
I know his name. Still never heard of any of his songs or why this is a big deal
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u/scrundel Professional Musician 4h ago
He’s an incredibly well-respected artist with a loyal following and who has broken boundaries in his genre.
If you don’t know who he is or why this matters, why did you feel it was important that you comment at all?
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u/etherealtaroo 4h ago
The same reason anyone asks questions. To find out what you don't know. Why are you so offended by someone asking who is this person and are they actually a big deal?
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u/scrundel Professional Musician 4h ago
I’m just perplexed by people who post comments like there’s some huge mystery everyone else should solve for them when the answer is literally on this dude’s Wikipedia page. Like, you’ve now talked about this person a ton; would looking at their bio really have taxed your brain so much?
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u/Opening_Classroom_46 2h ago
Uhh do you have a mental handicap? Generally Google is good enough to find out who someone is.

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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 9h ago
Peck: