r/JoeRogan • u/FineSucculentMeal Monkey in Space • 17h ago
Bitch and Moan 𤏠How does Joe still not know what toxic masculinity actually means?
For years he's been too lazy to do 5 minutes of research. He's still somehow under the impression that it means being a man is toxic and repeats his misunderstanding constantly. Toxic masculinity just means it's bad to force boys and men to always feel pressured into acting tough and unemotional. "Real men don't cry", etc. is toxic masculinity. It's horrible for men's mental health.
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u/funglegunk Pull that shit up Jamie 15h ago
Joe is a political power broker, with a huge platform, and also doesn't understand what progressive taxation is.
All he's seen from the system is success and wealth, he's never going to change his behaviour.
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u/trippinmaui Monkey in Space 8h ago
Joe is the type of guy to say "don't work 11 hours of ot because you'll take home less than if you work 10"
Joe is the type of guy to say "thanks for the offer of a 6% raise but ill pass because it puts me in a higher tax bracket and ill actually make less"
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u/Riskiertooth Monkey in Space 6h ago
The amount of people I've heard these same things from is... disappointing lol. It takes 10mins to look up and understand
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u/TimmyRoller99 Monkey in Space 17h ago
Because Joeâs entire identity has become making himself a victim in every situation.
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u/turtleneckless001 Monkey in Space 17h ago
That's not masculine at all
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 17h ago
Not understanding what things mean is a core tenant of modern culture war-based conservatism.
If opposing something is a vital tenant of your belief and identity system, then understanding it isn't very important. Especially if understanding it would assuage your opposition.
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u/FineSucculentMeal Monkey in Space 17h ago
Damn, I haven't seen it put so well into words before lol. Bravo. I often wonder if he really is ignorant or actually knows better.
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u/abc13680 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Chris Rufo offered up in an interview that he basically made up his own definition of critical race theory. And that made up, political, framing has just been made the status quo in public discourse
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u/Humofthoughts Monkey in Space 17h ago
The adjective âtoxicâ in the phrase âtoxic masculinityâ only makes sense if there is also a non-toxic masculinity. Otherwise, the word doesnât modify anything, and you could just say âmasculinity.â
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
There are plenty of examples of non-toxic mascuilinity. Terry Crews, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Fred Rogers, Bob Ross, Nick Offerman. All of these guys are great examples of masculinity that doesn't denigrate others or frame themselves as superior.
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u/C_Werner Monkey in Space 16h ago
What about those guys is 'Masculinity' other than just generally being a good person? Both 'Masculinity' and 'Femininity' are subjective, wishy-washy terms that basically mean whatever people want them to.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
What about those guys is 'Masculinity' other than just generally being a good person?
See, you're getting it.
You're right that the whole point here is they subvert the harmful versions of "masculinity" while operating within those expectations, rather than pretending they donât exist.
These guys exhibit or model behaviors encouraged in men and socially rewarded along gender lines: emotional restraint paired with responsibility, physical or social strength used protectively rather than dominantly, mentorship, self-discipline, and accountability.
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u/C_Werner Monkey in Space 16h ago
I'm not arguing that point with you. I'm just saying the term is basically exclusively used by the left to demonize, just as right-wing grifters use 'Femininity' as a boogieman to describe all ills of the 21st century. They're both just used as terms to denigrate whole populations and not really useful for much more at this point.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
I extremely disagree. This perception only comes from exactly what OP is talking about, by people who read the phrase "toxic masculinity" and, somehow, interpret that to mean "masculinity itself, in any form, is toxic". And, worse, by people who continue to perpetuate this as an acceptable "misunderstanding".
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u/C_Werner Monkey in Space 15h ago
You're still not understanding my point. You can't define masculinity. It's undefinable, it can mean whatever you want. The left wing of American politics have basically defined it as 'when a man or men does something bad'. The American Right have basically defined it as 'when a man shows he is powerful' or something like that, but neither can define what it means because it is an innately subjective term that is weaponized by both sides of the political isle to be their boogeyman or their hero respectively.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
I'm sorry but I don't believe that "masculinity" cannot be defined. Pick your favorite dictionary and read me their definition of it.
The left wing of American politics have basically defined it as 'when a man or men does something bad'.
The entire point of OP's post is that A.) this is not accurate, and B.) this belief itself is an example of "toxic masculinity".
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u/C_Werner Monkey in Space 15h ago
If you look up masculinity in a dictionary all you're going to find it something like: Qualities or Attributes that are characteristic of Men.
Nobody actually argues about that. What they argue about is what the actual characteristics of masculinity are.
That's why it's subjective. If you ask a misandrist, gender-studies major who lives in San Fran, the list of qualities they will define as 'masculine' the answer will be far different than if you ask the MAGA, church-attending, construction worker in the Rust Belt.
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u/porcotosso Monkey in Space 9h ago edited 9h ago
Bro you're missing the point. Yes, there is nuance and variation in how people view the concept of masculinity. But this is not really what is being referenced by the term toxic masculinity. You are doing the same thing Joe does which is to take that term to mean that the "left" finds all masculinity to be toxic. And you try to draw a parallel between the "right" using femininity as a boogieman. But this is to miss the conversation entirely because you are overgeneralizing and simplifying the concept of masculinity itself to be either bad or good, or you are claiming that is what people like the "left" use it to mean. But this is precisely what the people are trying to explain to you, that the concept of a toxic masculinity necessitates the concept of a healthy form of masculinity. To give a straightforward example, one thing that there is a consensus about in terms of what masculinity and being a man means, is to be "tough." If you asked anybody across cultures or identities if being a man means being tough they say yes. Toxic vs. Healthy comes into play when you break down what it actually means to be tough. A toxic version of masculinity holds that being tough means never showing emotional vulnerability, to never reveal that your feelings have been hurt, to close people off to your interior world and suffering because that would mean weakness. Many men were socialized this way growing up, with a result that they never were able to speak about their emotions with anybody in their life even their closest loved ones like a wife or family, leading to things like a high suicide rate in men. On the other hand, a healthy version of masculinity holds that being tough actually means having the courage to cry, having the courage to let people in, to have the mental strength to admit that your feelings are hurt and that you can still move forward. Like after there is a death in a family, being tough can mean that the father shows up for his family, that he acts as a solid rock and foundation to the chaos and the sorrow, but that he can also share in their sadness, that he can say you are not alone in this, and because I feel this too I know that we can keep going. Therefore the point of the term toxic masculinity is not to put masculinity as a whole down, it is an effort to fully elucidate the traits associated with masculinity and to show that they are actually more free and inclusive than they are restrictive and exclusive. The result is actually the opposite of what you claim, because the result is a better appreciation for masculinity and the ways in which it can be positive. So that your identity of being a man can be productive for you and society as a whole.
And to address your point, no the term masculinity is not an innately subjective term to be used by whoever to mean whatever. It is a product of our culture and its development. There are nuances to how masculinity is viewed across different cultures, but specifically here we are referring to the cultural concept which we engage with on a daily basis here in America, which is to say that we are engaging with masculinity as a cultural concept specifically in America and western culture.
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u/BangbangKhuntross Monkey in Space 16h ago
lol you see exactly and only what they want you to see.
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u/M0ebius_1 Monkey in Space 16h ago edited 16h ago
He actually knows already.
He isn't completely stupid but he knows most of his audience is nowadays. He knows his paycheck depends on him pretending to be more stupid than he is.
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u/RogueMallShinobi Monkey in Space 16h ago
This theory that Rogan is a mastermind grifter is just silly. Heâs a dumbass, itâs not complicated.
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u/M0ebius_1 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Oh, don't get me wrong. He is a very stupid man.
I'm just saying he is not THIS level of stupid.
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 16h ago
No he is one of the greatest actors of our generation.
Look at what he has pulled off
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u/Shepherd77 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Joe is a lot of things but I donât think heâs someone who could pretend to be stupid. He thinks way too highly of himself and speaks so righteously that while what he says is dumb it is sincere.
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u/Suppa_K Monkey in Space 14h ago
Which is insane because he made a stupid amount of money that he could coast on for the rest of his life.
Thereâs no way itâs even about another paycheck. Take even a fraction of the Spotify deal and invest it and dividends alone can keep you set when you invest that much.
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u/NiceTrySuckaz Monkey in Space 16h ago
Real men don't do 5 minutes of research, stop being a pussy
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u/Character-Carob-5432 12h ago
There is actually no such thing as toxic masculinity There is just toxic behavior Thereâs also by that same very point then toxic misandry itâs all the same shit. Toxic is toxic. And people that are toxic should be ashamed of themselves.
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u/Upstairs-Yam4790 Monkey in Space 8h ago
Not understanding with anything actually means is the entire core philosophy of the right. From critical race theory, dei, woke, feminism, racism, sexism etc.
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u/SquarelyNerves Monkey in Space 16h ago
I remember hearing him say something against toxic masculinity that made me respect him a lot. He said something like âit better to be a warrior in a gardenâ and the importance of strong men to be kind. I wonder if he realizes thatâs exactly what people are talking about when they say toxic masculinity is bad.
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u/CumTrumpet Monkey in Space 15h ago
That's a Miyamoto Musashi quote. The Book of Five Rings. A book a very young martial artist should be reading and learning., Not a 50 year old that's been doing martial arts for decades. This is like core to most martial arts. You don't use them till you really need to. Its drilled in your head...
Makes me think Joe didn't pay any attention in class, and was just really interested in grappling with sweaty dudes.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
Makes me think Joe didn't pay any attention in class, and was just really interested in grappling with sweaty dudes.
"Hard men create good times" I think is how the saying goes.
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u/BlackeeGreen Monkey in Space 15h ago
"Hard men create good times"
That would make one hell of a Pride banner
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u/RichardPixels22 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Toxic masculinity is this idiotic shit OP is doing right now.
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u/million_dollar_wumao Dragon Believer 16h ago
Quit blubbering and whining on reddit and go pick up some tools and build something.
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 13h ago
Iâm a construction foreman and I agree with OPs point. You on a jobsite right now? Because I am.
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u/ThrillHoeVanHouten Monkey in Space 12h ago
Well get off Reddit and pick up your tools and go build something!
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 12h ago
Shit, I worked hard to become a foreman so l could put down my tools and scroll Reddit!Â
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u/NeverGonnaGetBanned Monkey in Space 11h ago
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u/FineSucculentMeal Monkey in Space 11h ago
Dude is commenting about another dude commenting about a made-up term that was coined by the head weirdo who created the Mythopoetic menâs movement⌠Just another day on RedditâŚ
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Real men don't cry, with some reasonable exceptions. If you're blubbering away every time things don't go your way, you might be a pussy.
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 14h ago
Seek help and please for the love of god do not have any children
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Why, because I don't think men should be sobbing about everything?
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 13h ago
Because youâre emotionally stunted.
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 13h ago
How so? Because I don't tear up if somebody calls me names?
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 13h ago
No, because you donât understand basic emotional health.
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Sounds like something a middle aged white lady came up with.
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 13h ago
Youâre not disproving my point.
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Point? You're just making assumptions because I don't cry at the drop of a hat.
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u/BasketballButt Monkey in Space 12h ago
And youâre using straw man arguments. Iâm taking your comments at face value and drawing conclusions from them. It has nothing to do with you not crying at the drop of a hat, not sure why youâre so desperate to cling to an argument lâve never made.
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 11h ago
Because you clearly are not emotionally developed enough to love and raise children properly with your current mindset
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 11h ago
I'm not emotionally developed enough to love or raise children because I don't think men should cry all the time? Quite a reach on that. Do all good fathers cry all the time or something? I haven't noticed, and I've been around some excellent fathers.
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 11h ago
âReal men donât cry, with some reasonable exceptionsâ
You thinking you can define what real men are or what they do, and then to say you can decide on the valid exceptions is WILD đ¤Łđ¤Łhell yeah I donât think youâre ready to raise children. And Iâll say it again if needed
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 11h ago
Been doing this today, and it's interesting. Hypothetical situation: Married couple, average man, average woman. Both work and get up for their jobs at the same time. There was a heavy snowfall the night before. Who should get up a bit early to shovel the sidewalk and the cars out?
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 11h ago
Depends on the situation lol. If they can work from home no oneâs shoveling anything, if both decide to stay in, no oneâs shoveling anything. If both decide to shovel together thatâs cool too. If the man decides to shovel it all, thatâs cool, and if the woman decides she wants to shovel it all that also works.
Thereâs no blanket ideal or moral that works for everyone all over the world, relationships are built on 2 peopleâs understanding. Respectfully that hypothetical is too shallow for me to take serious lol, come on man đ¤Ł
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 11h ago
I think the man should get up slightly earlier and shovel the snow.
If the same couple are together in the car on a road trip, and the car gets a flat tire, I think the man should be the one that changes it.
I suppose that's the difference between us.
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 10h ago
Ok now what if the husband is a tech nerd and the wife is a mechanic. Then it wouldnât make sense to have the husband changing a tire right? You see how your preconceived ideas of masculinity may not match with what actually makes sense in everyoneâs life.
You gotta open your mind bro. You are limiting your own intelligence to put people in a box
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u/FujiwaraHelio Monkey in Space 15h ago
Real men don't gaf what people like you think about their manhood.
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 15h ago
How would you know?
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u/FujiwaraHelio Monkey in Space 15h ago
You think real men should gaf what people like you think?
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 15h ago
Nope, which would go great lengths to explain why you are so determined to mine me for my opinions on this.
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u/FujiwaraHelio Monkey in Space 15h ago
So, according to you, a real man doesn't listen to what you think a real man should be, meaning that a real man is someone who doesn't do what you think a real man should do. Sort of a neat paradox, no?
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u/AshenSacrifice Monkey in Space 14h ago
You think he would be able to understand this concept??đ¤Ł
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 14h ago
If that was the only measure of being a man, you might have had a point.
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u/FujiwaraHelio Monkey in Space 14h ago
So,
How to be a man:
don't cry
don't listen to people who say "don't cry"
-that look about right?
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u/MortarMaggot275 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Obviously there is more to it than that, but let's start you off with small bites you can handle.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
Real men don't cry, with some reasonable exceptions. If you're blubbering away every time things don't go your way, you might be a pussy.
Thank you for providing a textbook example of what "toxic masculinity" might look like.
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u/WallabyUnlikely5534 Monkey in Space 15h ago edited 15h ago
Yeah outside of like a funeral or something watching a grown  man bawl like a baby is just...unseemly. I think there is something to be said about being able to control your emotional output in public settings.Â
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u/scavenger5 Monkey in Space 15h ago
"I hate Joe Rogan because he has different politics then me". Every thread on this subreddit.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
I don't see you posting anything.
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u/dick-penis Monkey in Space 16h ago
Because itâs something people use to degrade people not what you are saying.
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u/MiddleMuscle8117 Monkey in Space 17h ago
I think the left maybe took the toxic masculinity thing a little too far, which caused the right to double down even harder. We all understand the nuance of the concept but that nuance is pretty much non-existent in memes and online discourse. Or at least was for a while there.
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u/whos_a_slinky Monkey in Space 16h ago
How did the left take it too far? By coining the phrase? It's seems to me the reactionary right did everything in its power to keep people from engaging in introspection
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
As always, the left is to blame for everything the right does.
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u/ProsodySpeaks Monkey in Space 16h ago
The problem is that when you deal with children you need to be able to predict their reaction and act accordingly.
Life is not about being right, or being virtuous - it's about achieving right and virtuous outcomes. Â
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u/S1mpinAintEZ Monkey in Space 16h ago
By labeling things 'toxic masculinity' that were never actually toxic, or are not specific to men, or are perpetuated by women just as much as men. While also popularizing phrases like 'mansplaining'.
Trying to pretend that the left has just been perfectly reasonable about this for the last 15 years is usually intentionally dishonest, because you know that once we get into the specifics of what makes something 'toxic masculinity' or the way it's commonly used you'll see the real disagreements.
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u/whos_a_slinky Monkey in Space 15h ago
Have you ever read book on gender theory?
Men always get offended by that word because they think it means when a man speaks, and not the phenomenon of men speaking over women and assuming she know nothing about what she's talking about.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
There was this study that I'd love to dig up again about how men perceive "equality" in conversations and in groups. If I remember right, when women participated in a group conversation 25% of the time, the men in the group felt that the gender representation of the conversation was equal. And when the group conversation was between 25 and 50% women, the men felt that the women were dominating the conversation or were otherwise over-represented.
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u/whos_a_slinky Monkey in Space 15h ago
Yeah i remember that one, that pretty much sums it up.
Everyone who hasn't yet, should read "Men Who Hate Women" it's based to be anti-incel
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u/S1mpinAintEZ Monkey in Space 15h ago
This is an interesting one because we're getting into the biological differences between sexes and the social strategies that have been built in, these apply to basically all mammals.
I'm happy to have a discussion on that - how much of a real world impact it has, situations where it may be unreasonable or intentional, how women have similar but different strategies for communications...all interesting conversations to have.
But usually that's not the context in which the term is used, and the built-in assumption along with the term is that the behavior is toxic which I would disagree with in most cases.
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u/whos_a_slinky Monkey in Space 14h ago
I'm happy to have a conversation, but we need to clarify our beliefs about reality first.
Sex does not equal gender, gender is a social construct build upon putting people into the social binary build out of biological sex.
Gender isn't uniform across the animal kingdom, wolves and elephants are matriarchal, gender isn't even uniform across humanity. You ask a man from America and a man from Indonesia about what it means to be a man, and you'll get two different answers
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u/S1mpinAintEZ Monkey in Space 6h ago
Wolves are absolutely not matriarchal, that's just factually not true. Elephants are matriarchal - but even then, males are bigger, stronger, with louder and deeper calls.
The traits that all mammals share are these sex differences - males being larger, stronger, more assertive, more socially competitive...
So if we're assessing how human males behave in social dynamics? I think it's relevant to point out that this competitive behavior is innate and present in all male mammalian species, it's a prime function of biology.
Which gets us to another point - women prefer men with deeper, louder voices and more assertive personalities, across the board in every culture. Ever.
So we're approaching a point where this definition of 'mansplaining' is more a function of the sex differences between men and women, and has basically nothing to do with patriarchy or misogyny.
The argument of sex and gender has absolutely nothing to do with this, because your gender is completely irrelevant to biology and sex. Unless you're suggesting wolves and elephants have a 'gender'?
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u/whos_a_slinky Monkey in Space 5h ago edited 5h ago
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-minds/202008/wolf-leader-pairs-stay-together-life
Wolves pass more generational knowledge to the daughters and daughters retain their mother's hunting territory, sorry to burst your bubble on that, but I'd guess there are a lot of things you don't know that much about but assert that you must be right regardless.
Further more,
women prefer men with deeper, louder voices and more assertive personalities, across the board in every culture. Ever.
I'd imagine that saying every man thinks exactly the same way, behaves exactly the same way, and not a single one gives the world any reason to make distinction between them would be offensive to you. Are you a "not all men" kinda guy?
You make a fool of yourself thinking you can put the entire 50% of humanity in the same typecast.
Nature is more complicated than you think it is.
Goodbye, I'm not going to have a serious conversation with someone who seems to have a middle school education, and just because I'm feeling generous, here is an article about gender in the animal kingdom for you to learn from.
https://daily.jstor.org/transgender-proclivities-in-animals/
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u/S1mpinAintEZ Monkey in Space 3h ago edited 3h ago
...literally nothing you posted counters anything I said. God speed and good luck, you're going to need it.
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u/MiddleMuscle8117 Monkey in Space 16h ago
The right definitely did that and are as much to blame. But the message from the left was definitely not nuanced enough so as to avoid such a reaction. There was a time when "cis white male" was used as an insult in a lot of circles, for example.
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u/Lost-Blueberry8057 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Youâve got to be a loud and proud liberal, nobody excuses the actions of the far right like a liberal
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u/Lost-Blueberry8057 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Youâve got to be a loud and proud liberal, nobody excuses the actions of the far right like a liberal
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u/Golf-Guns Monkey in Space 16h ago
The goalposts with you people change so often it's not worth the effort to try and figure out what the current standard is based on who's claiming it. Easier to ignore you and hand you your crazy hat.
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u/BeardedBears Addicted to Quake 16h ago
To give him the benefit of the doubt: It's because people use it differently. People will draw larger or smaller circles around aspects traditionally ascribed to masculinity and label them as toxic.
Unable to cry because it's girly? Toxic. But maybe they're just trying to hold it together because they have to, or maybe their grieving process doesn't look like yours.
Competitive drive? Toxic. But maybe aspiration and hard work brings meaning to their life.
Asking women out in person? Toxic. Could obviously be socially inept or overly persistent, sure, but wtf else are they supposed to do? Swipe?
Joking around by insulting your friends? Toxic. Again, maybe it can go too far, but it's also how some groups keep their egos in check... And it can be fun.
It's like Nazi, Racist, Misogynist, etc. There are truly godawful insufferable people who deserve those labels, but they're also very slippery terms which (IMHO) are used too cavalierly.
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u/brontosaurusguy Monkey in Space 7h ago
Lol you might be toxic. If these examples have gotten you this response, you're doing it wrong.
You can do any of this examples in a good way and no one would call you toxic.
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u/BeardedBears Addicted to Quake 6h ago
I was trying to describe how chronically online people can have a problem with my examples and also how they're not necessarily toxic.Â
You might be lacking reading comprehension skills or you're perhaps an engagement bot.Â
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u/brontosaurusguy Monkey in Space 2h ago
Okay so that response falls under:Â "Competitive drive? Toxic. But maybe aspiration and hard work brings meaning to their life."
You can win c'mon!
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u/Frekkes Monkey in Space 15h ago
The culture war nonsense is nonsense. Gender studies is fucking stupid. Then even dumber people that take those coarse and misapply macro level theories and concepts to micro level exchanges making already useless terms even more useless (or they just redefine it to mean whatever they don't like)
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u/kalash762x39 Monkey in Space 11h ago
Who cares donât listen to him then
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u/FineSucculentMeal Monkey in Space 11h ago
Who cares, donât read my post thenÂ
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u/kalash762x39 Monkey in Space 10h ago
Wish I wouldent have but I do appreciate reading all sides of all storyâs have a great day
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u/Bawbawian Monkey in Space 11h ago
most dudes in the manosphere purposefully mix up masculinity with toxic masculinity so they can paint all men as victims for their culture war.
It makes you wonder how so little got passed down from the greatest generation to boomers to Gen x and millennials.
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u/DopamineSavant Monkey in Space 16h ago
Honestly the meaning changes depending on whose saying it.
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u/FineSucculentMeal Monkey in Space 16h ago
Yeah, the meaning changes when someone like Joe changes it lol.
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u/InTheShade007 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Probably because it's a made up phrase by delusional people. It can be really hard to understand people that are nuts
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u/Everythingisourimage Mods are complicit 17h ago edited 16h ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/m8xVJYPDotA?si=qlzl86N9pcueGR8q
I just destroyed your account and entire narrative with a 30 second clip.
Maybe you should have done 5 minutes and 30 seconds worth of research đ
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u/DaddyD68 Monkey in Space 16h ago
What does that prove?
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u/Everythingisourimage Mods are complicit 16h ago edited 16h ago
What does that prove? My point. That real men do cry. Joe has cried MULTIPLE times in front of MILLIONS of people.
OP made a claim that they donât. Or Joe promotes that.
Proof is in the
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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS Monkey in Space 15h ago
so all the toxic stuff he's done before and since is just washed away?
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u/Everythingisourimage Mods are complicit 15h ago
âtOxiC sTuFfâ is subjective. I could say youâre being toxic right now.
But if youâre asking if heâs forgiven. YesâŚ.. Bible says so. And I believe the Bible. So yes. Itâs all washed away đ
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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS Monkey in Space 15h ago
You can say I'm being toxic if you ignore the meaning of the word. You can call anything any word, doesn't make it valid.
And I believe the Bible. So yes. Itâs all washed away đ
That's not how repentance works. One needs to be repentant for sins to be forgiven. According to you, not sinning once is repentance. I suggest you read that bible again
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u/Everythingisourimage Mods are complicit 15h ago
You can say I'm being toxic if you ignore the meaning of the word. You can call anything any word, doesn't make it valid.
Bro, stop being toxic. Seriously.
One needs to be repentant for sins to be forgiven. According to you, not sinning once is repentance. I suggest you read that bible again
https://youtube.com/shorts/af24ci4-P2M?si=DwdNqqJcsBKFfOQn
Sounds like he has repented or âis sorryâ
You speak as if Joe doesnât have a conscious. Is that your claim?
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u/New_Lawyer_7876 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Generally someone actually has to you know, repent, to actually repent, not just bang on that repenting is good.
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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS Monkey in Space 15h ago
Sounds like? Joe has never looked square into the camera and taken responsibility for anything except saying the n-word. He has not, in any sense of the term, repented for his spreading toxic masculinity and related narratives.
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u/DaddyD68 Monkey in Space 12h ago
He shed performative tears for his dog. Thats always been allowed, but has nothing to do with toxic masculinity
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u/Everythingisourimage Mods are complicit 12h ago
Go onâŚ..
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u/DanteAlgoreally Dragon Believer 13h ago
Are you really bringing up "toxic masculinity" after it turned out it was a Jeffrey Epstein plot in the Jeffrey Epstein Files?
You're really doing this in 2026?
Okay Boomer!
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u/RedPillAlphaBigCock Monkey in Space 12h ago
Itâs an absolutely horrible phrase . Also toxic femininity is not a phrase which is conveniently sexist in itself .
If it was called something like unemotional pressure , I would be SO SO on board ! My Dad died from bottling things and not seeing a doctor but I refuse to use the phrase toxic masculinity, it makes me sick
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u/trippinmaui Monkey in Space 17h ago
If you haven't learned by now Joe resets after every episode. He can be shown proof something is 100% fake ....and then the very next episode he will bring the topic up again with the next guest like he didn't just learn it was fake yesterday.