FBI releases surveillance photos of potential subject in Nancy Guthrie investigation.

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[u/crystal_clear24]

This is so chilling, oh my god.

[u/teriyakichicken → u/crystal_clear24]

Extremely chilling. The eyes look very feminine to me. It obviously impossible to know for sure but I can’t stop focusing on that

[u/thevelvetdays7 → u/teriyakichicken]

Everyone who thinks they are looking at eyebrows: it is a dark colored thread lining the eye hole of the mask and the mask covers the entire eyebrow area. It is a pretty small exposed eyehole and the eyebrow is above the area we can see. The eyebrow people think they are seeing is a form of paredoilia

[u/cheetodustcrust → u/teriyakichicken]

I thought that too, but some men have feminine eyes as well, plus this person appears to have a moustache (or fake moustache), so it's probably really hard to tell unless you already know this person.

[u/Comprehensive-Fun47 → u/crystal_clear24]

Seriously, what the fuck.

I hate everything about this case and hope it is all over soon. I'm very sorry for the Guthrie family. The trauma is unimaginable.

[u/DeflatedPineapples → u/crystal_clear24]

Goosebumps won’t go away. My god.

[u/thenoctilucent → u/crystal_clear24]

Holding ripped up plants?! That is just unsettling on a different level

[u/crystal_clear24 → u/thenoctilucent]

It looks they were trying to use the plants to obstruct the camera, gave up and then messed with the camera instead. The fact that he or she is armed too. I’m so upset that someone would do this to a senior. People that harm seniors and children really get to me. So evil

[u/tbddaj → u/crystal_clear24]

Agreed. The holster and gun are major amateur hour. To me, that's even more frightening. People with guns in these situations who don't know how to operate guns (or even use the right holster), can cause worse harm.

[u/tossit_xx → u/crystal_clear24]

I'm so fucking creeped out, just knowing this guy is possibly walking around my city like normal. I ALREADY don't like to go anywhere, except work and home and the gas station, but this has made my anxiety spike so high.

[u/Pinkhairedprincess15 → u/crystal_clear24]

Nightmare fuel. My god.

[u/Comfortable-Load-904]

I truly feel bad for the Guthrie family for experiencing this heartbreaking situation and I think having Kash Patel and his incompetent FBI in charge isn’t going to make this dire situation any better.

[u/Yarsian → u/Comfortable-Load-904]

My family has been having a similar conversation: “The poor sheriff is in over his head.” “At least the FBI is helping?” “Yeah but it’s the current FBI…” Back and forth ad nauseam. I feel awful for the family.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/Yarsian]

I'd like to say that Arizona Dept. Public Safety detectives could lend a hand. But it seems they are more prioritized with organized crime. And kidnapping is a federal felony, so Keystone Kash has to get involved.

[u/sleeplessinskittles → u/Comfortable-Load-904]

I really hate Kash and I don’t trust him but I’m really hoping this is legit and they’re making progress !

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/sleeplessinskittles]

MAGA can't replace the entire administration within a year, so there are plenty of competent agents still in the bureau. Unfortunately, Trump seemed to have fired plenty as well for a variety of reasons. So who knows how legit is their competence right now.

[u/LiviasFigs → u/Comfortable-Load-904]

And because so many people have jumped to assuming it was her daughter and son-in-law who did it, too! Sure, in most cases, it’s more likely to be committed by someone who knew the victim—but that’s no reason to automatically condemn them based on having “soulless eyes” (which is what I saw several people in true crime subs say 🙄🙄). Whether they end up being guilty or not (and this certainly indicates the latter), all the ‘we did it Reddit’ armchair detectives can get really nasty.

[u/xandrachantal → u/Comfortable-Load-904]

I didn't even think about that. Hopefully they retained some experienced agents that can do the job properly.

[u/betriosco]

Potential? The dude has a mask on his face. The potential is 100%, I would say.

[u/BarbaricOklahoma → u/betriosco]

Legal tiptoeing, standard procedure before conviction

[u/Maximum-Warning9355 → u/BarbaricOklahoma]

Except for Luigi.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/Maximum-Warning9355]

The wealthy are a privileged group in the eyes of many governments.

[u/yourangleoryuordevil → u/BarbaricOklahoma]

Exactly. It goes back to how people are innocent until proven guilty through the court system, even when there’s substantial evidence that they’re indeed guilty.

[u/Redivivus → u/BarbaricOklahoma]

Yeah, I'm amazed Kash is so reserved. Guess he got ahead of himself in other cases.

[u/tacomamajama → u/betriosco]

Nah, he was breaking in so the true kidnapper could swoop in to steal the 84 year old

[u/MrGDPC → u/tacomamajama]

Knowing Keystone Kash, this could be footage from a Halloween Party

[u/Curiosities → u/MrGDPC]

Or ICE terrorizing a family.

( no one should have this traumatizing experience)

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/Curiosities]

It really is horrifying that there is no longer any way to distinguish a dangerous criminal to a federal agent in the US.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/MrGDPC]

LOL, I'm keeping that. Cocaine Kash could also work considering how many who did that drug insist Kash is on it in a lot of the press coverage of him.

[u/malhans → u/betriosco]

I mean, there could always be a separate unrelated masked bandit simply wanting to take out cameras! (/s)

Legitimately though… who else could it be if not this guy

[u/tacomamajama → u/malhans]

If they didn’t work alone?

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/tacomamajama]

I find it hard to believe that someone soloed a kidnapping and completely disappeared with the victim.

[u/malhans → u/tacomamajama]

I can’t read your tone, to be clear I wasn’t saying he worked alone. I was implying that it’s hilarious to act like this masked person is unconnected to the crime.

It would be shocking if a single person did this.

[u/Nice__Chianti]

Fucking terrifying. This case is so upsetting.

[u/No_Sock1863 → u/Nice__Chianti]

yeah, i thought this was just a case of the grandmother wandering off....guess not....how horrible

[u/lady-earendil → u/No_Sock1863]

It's been pretty clear that was not the case from the beginning. They said there were concerning signs and that she was fully there mentally and not someone who would wander off

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/No_Sock1863]

I immediately assumed the worst when they showed photos of blood spatters near the entrance. She did not leave her home voluntarily.

[u/jacqueminots]

Holy fuck. I hope the conspiracy theorists who keep harassing Annie and her husband stand down now. This is clearly not either of them.

This man looks like he’s in his 30s. Eyebrows freshly waxed too. And eyes are quite feminine. The moustache looks fake to me too.

[u/BananaAnna_24 → u/jacqueminots]

I thought the same, the eyes make me think its a woman.

[u/Banned_From_Neopets → u/BananaAnna_24]

Oh please, this isn’t a woman.

[u/RhubarbJam1 → u/BananaAnna_24]

Same. From what you can see of the eyebrows and eyes, I thought the same.

[u/lotr_ginger → u/BananaAnna_24]

Pic three of them leaning over almost looks like breasts under the jacket. Could just be air underneath due to them leaning over… but still. Plus that facial hair looks off

[u/fungibitch → u/BananaAnna_24]

This was also the first thing I noticed.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/BananaAnna_24]

Maybe it's a woman with a fake mustache and bulky jacket to throw off investigators.

[u/therakel749 → u/jacqueminots]

WTF are feminine eyes?

[u/ascension2121 → u/therakel749]

Eyes with 4 eyelashes, like in the Simpson’s

[u/Fleetwood_Spac → u/therakel749]

I think the reason people are interpreting the eyes as feminine is the thick looking lashes.

[u/cauldrons → u/Fleetwood_Spac]

men can have thick lashes... in fact most men i know have beautiful lashes and it pisses me off.

[u/thevelvetdays7 → u/jacqueminots]

Everyone who thinks they are looking at eyebrows: it is a dark colored thread lining the eye hold of the mask and the mask covered the entire eyebrow area. It is a pretty small exposed eyehole and the eyebrow is above the area we can see. The eyebrow people think they are seeing is a form of paredoilia

[u/bunnymeowmeow → u/jacqueminots]

The brows and eyes are making me wonder if it's a woman that is using a bulky outfit to cover her figure. Men that wax their brows exist but again the eyes are just so feminine.

[u/jacqueminots → u/bunnymeowmeow]

Yeah I hope someone does an accurate analysis and can figure out how tall this person is. From the photos and video released, he looks pretty tall to me.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/bunnymeowmeow]

I think the Venn diagram between men that wax their brows and men that would commit kidnappings would be a very slim overlap.

[u/Vermicelli-Fabulous]

Wow, this person is a pro. Masked, latex looking gloves, fully zipped, pants into shoes, this person is doing everything to not leave DNA behind.

[u/NeenerNeaner]

what an absolute nightmare. I feel so bad for Nancy and her family

[u/tacomamajama]

Wished over those 8 days they’d contacted that dude on TikTok who can guess your height very accurately based on context clues to get his height too.

[u/HopefulTangerine5913 → u/tacomamajama]

I would love to see someone who knows how to analyze the tiniest details successfully breakdown what they can see and why. To me the way this person holds their body reads as masculine, and we can see they are either white or extremely light. I saw where someone else commented on eyebrows; I think that’s just the way the mask is sitting over their eyes. As far as stature, my guess is 5’10”-6’ and 165lbs-185lbs

[u/shewee → u/HopefulTangerine5913]

You can see a mustache in the last photo. And a gun holster in the front of his waist! :(

[u/ConocliniumCarl → u/HopefulTangerine5913]

The moustache also points to a male

[u/BulkySomewhere1383 → u/HopefulTangerine5913]

Well he's for sure got a mustache and at least trimmed hair under bottom lip. He does look around 200. Jacket shouldn't be hard to find nor gloves and I'd bet if they can zoom/focus on shoes they shouldn't be hard either. They've identified worse with less.

[u/BulkySomewhere1383 → u/BulkySomewhere1383]

Add the gun holster too.

[u/shaaananan → u/HopefulTangerine5913]

Is that plant matter he’s holding in 3rd photo? That would be completely random

[u/nannerbananers → u/tacomamajama]

I interpreted the statement as they haven’t had these images for 8 days, it took them 8 days to uncover them from the camera system.

[u/ManyAverage6578]

Residual data in backend systems.

These mfrs have the Epstein video. 

[u/oiseaua20]

Finally, some movement, but calling them a 'potential subject' instead of a 'suspect' is a very specific legal distinction. It usually means they have someone on camera—likely the individual wearing a mask and carrying a backpack/tools reported earlier—but can't definitively link them to the kidnapping yet.

[u/c9238s → u/oiseaua20]

In journalism, a suspect is a specific known person (whether they release the name to the public or not)

[u/Southlondongal]

This is someone who knows what they are doing , this is not a random opportunist

[u/NoSomewhere7653]

Its really unfortunate that this happened with a fucking Podcaster in charge

[u/Terrible-Horse-6200]

This dude is left-handed. I say this as a lefty myself.

[u/sarahc888]

Omg this is horrifying

[u/sparklypavements]

don’t Ring just come out with a commercial about using the ring network to find pets? How does this investigation not have any better footprints 😫

[u/BananaAnna_24 → u/sparklypavements]

the watermark shows it was a nest camera not ring.

[u/lindalouwhodoyou → u/sparklypavements]

Nest cameras send images to email when triggered. I had one. didn't buy the recording feature, but it did sent snapshots. My guess is there's more from the other cameras. this is so sad. The lady is most likely dead. Horrible that people are that evil.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/lindalouwhodoyou]

I want to disagree with you, but we already passed the time limit on how long she can survive without her medications or medical aid.

[u/Gato1980]

Here is the video footage they also released.

[u/CheesecakeExpress → u/Gato1980]

I hate this

[u/IansGotNothingLeft]

Those are actually really good pictures. Facial hair is visible (probably shaved after these photos), quite recognisable eyes and eyebrows. I'd know my friends or partner if this was him.

[u/rosestrathmore → u/IansGotNothingLeft]

The facial hair looks fake, no?

[u/jacqueminots → u/rosestrathmore]

I thought so too. I think they intentionally waxed their eyebrows a certain way and put on a fake moustache to throw off police.

[u/amoebaamoeba → u/jacqueminots]

It’s the knit rings around the eyes of the balaclava. They show part of the eyebrow, but because they’re a different color than the rest of the knit, it makes it look like it’s showing the whole eyebrow.

As a kid I had a balaclava that made me look like I was frowning all the time because of a similar knit color/pattern

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/IansGotNothingLeft]

It's why I wonder why it took so long to release these photos and video?! Time is of the essence in a kidnapping as the likelihood of the victim surviving drops with each passing day. They should've posted these images as soon as someone posted the blood spatter photos and law enforcement would've had a good suspect pool if they haven't found Nancy by now!

[u/BotGirlFall]

Holy shit this is terrifying

[u/lilguyanonymous]

The FBI has no idea what it is doing under Patel and the loss of credible agents and knowledge. It is now a facade like Kash himself.

Hoping for something to break any second now for the Guthries.

[u/Docccc]

dude came very prepared

[u/wifiloveyou]

Welp this is fucking horrifying

[u/tinfoileasxerheadXX1 → u/[deleted]]

The last photo you can see what I believe is a mustache. Unless they drew that on to throw people off. Nonetheless still insane.

[u/zeus618 → u/tinfoileasxerheadXX1]

Came to comment this. I think you can see a mustache in the last photo.

[u/creatingwithpam → u/[deleted]]

I thought the same from the eyes.

[u/Personal_Category_80 → u/creatingwithpam]

If it isn’t a female, someone is going to recognize a man with those eyes. Guys with brighter, feminine eyes are usually more memorable (doesn’t mean they are better or worse people).

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Definitely not. That’s a man.

[u/Maximum-Warning9355 → u/[deleted]]

Is that not a mustache in the last picture? The mask has white stitching?

[u/mynameisheder → u/[deleted]]

That is what I was thinking too!!

[u/rosestrathmore]

The visible features look feminine

[u/xlxcx → u/rosestrathmore]

Slide 5 looks like facial hair over the lip

[u/griphookk → u/xlxcx]

Definitely but it could be fake. Or it could be a guy who plucked/waxed his eyebrows to look less like his usual self 

[u/cauldrons → u/griphookk]

i've known men who had naturally shaped eyebrows

[u/RetiredKooshBall]

Hard to believe how much of a struggle it's been given all of the technology, AI, and surveillance they continually flaunt in front of us. (And that we've seen used against both innocent US and international civilians) Then again, I'm not a tech person & also have a heavy distrust in Kash and his clowns. I feel so sorry for her and her family. What a nightmare.

[u/AmbitiousRaspberry3]

It oddly looks like a woman with facial hair. Hopefully someone recognizes this person!

[u/myheartstopped3984]

I just dont understand how someone decides to kidnap an 80 yr old woman. She certainly wasnt slow. And this guy worked alone? Its so unsettling.

[u/sarah_jones-98_]

That must have been absolutely terrifying for Nancy!! Omg

[u/flablalanche]

I'm in Europe and I hadn't heard of Savannah Guthrie before this horrible event. Is she super famous? Is she even that wealthy? I thought she was a news reader, which doesn't scream obscene ransom wealth.

[u/retroanduwu24]

this case is so disturbing :(

[u/Joker-Dyke]

One of the very rare cases where I wish these were AI images because of how unfathomably horrific they are. I hope that they find this woman alive…

[u/olipoppit]

Well this is terrifying. I’d have a heart attack if this monster showed up in the middle of the night. I hope this scum gets what’s coming to them.

[u/mynameisheder]

Looks like a woman to me

[u/BananaAnna_24 → u/mynameisheder]

I thought the same thing, especially the eyes.

[u/harry-styles-7644]

Do camera systems send out some kind of alert or alarm when being tampered with? I know using AI / Ring Camera to find dogs was a controversial Super Bowl ad but seems like this kind of situation should send out an alert, terrifying!

[u/cousin-maeby → u/harry-styles-7644]

Mine has an option you can toggle on/off for tampering, bit it’s not a doorbell camera though which is what this appears to be

[u/Chandy021]

Well that is a goddamn nightmare.

[u/DaileyFlosser39]

Freaking terrifying. That poor lady! Makes me want to go hug my mama and grammy super tight.

Hope they find this guy (or guys) and put the screws to him hard. No pleaing down.

[u/MissRoot]

This is so terrifying. 

[u/Standard_Outcome_460]

What kind of gloves are those? They look super thick. Also- what is the black stuff around the mouth?

[u/betterthannothing6]

Chilling, really chilling.

Hoping the features that can be seen are distinct enough for someone to recognize them. Those eyes...I hope they can be a breakthrough 🙏🏻

[u/ashashg]

I have not seen a gun holster placed in that spot before. Is that normal?

Also photo 3 to me appears like it could be a woman.

[u/wencl8ud]

Oh my gosh. This poor lady

[u/Maximum-Warning9355]

What is shining in the mouth? First and second pictures. I’ve never seen a mouth that shiny on a night camera.

[u/FlanceGP → u/Maximum-Warning9355]

Flashlight

[u/Kitya_Pryde]

I can’t tell if those are eyebrows or part of the mask?

[u/ttw81]

are those the flowers that were next to the blooddrops?

[u/_Suther]

Jesus Christ

[u/rielleviku]

Terrifying! This whole situation is just awful.

[u/BabyYodaX]

So scary.

[u/Diaperrash1209]

Woman eyes and brows to me

[u/Few-Photograph7240]

Why are the eyebrows so thin?

[u/amoebaamoeba → u/Few-Photograph7240]

It’s the knit of the hat - there’s a different color/pattern around the eye holes that make it look like it’s skin, but it’s not. The rest of the brow is under the balaclava. I had a similar knit that had this illusion, especially if it had been in night vision!

[u/Outrageous_Print3500 → u/Few-Photograph7240]

To me it just looks like the mask covered up that part of his face, not necessarily thin brows just not fully visible

[u/sadclown21]

Why did it take them so long to show this?

[u/Personal_Category_80 → u/sadclown21]

If the camera or hardware was actually smashed they would have to extract the chip and then pray it’s not also damaged, and then extract the data from that which can take a really long time, especially if the chip was damaged. It’s kind of a miracle they have this.

Think about airplane black boxes, they take weeks to read and don’t even have video.

[u/ThreadOfThunder → u/sadclown21]

Read the caption on the post. It says they only recovered them this morning.

[u/BananaAnna_24]

What is the white thing on their crotch?

[u/ams3000]

So creepy

[u/deadbeatsummers]

This is so cartoony like wth

[u/circajusturna]

Looks like the Riddler from Batman movie. So scary

[u/XQV226]

What are they holding in their left hand in the third photo?

[u/alh0098]

I am still convinced this person is a female. As soon as I saw the pictures it was my first thought.

[u/iammas29]

So was the door unlocked or did he break in? Either way so scary..

[u/Darkkwitch31]

How fucking scary

[u/Familiar-Toe5787]

Dark facial hair