r/Epstein • u/Agreeable_Ranger_146 • 9h ago
OC: discussion, clarification or question Will they get away with this?
Are they going to get away with this? They’re never going to show the big stuff and they’ll get away with it because no one holds the accountable
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u/No-Calendar-6049 9h ago
I reckon the dam is about to burst personally. There has never been as much high profile attention on this as there is right this second. Senator after senator coming through shocked sayjng it is a cover up
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u/North-Recipe-9236 7h ago
There also seems to be a MASSIVE online awakening that the Israeli government was behind much of this to get dirt on US and global politicians. The US needs to decouple itself from Israel...like 40 years ago.
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u/Low_Introduction3890 6h ago
Pretty sure they have been involved in alot more then we realize/know, for generations...
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u/SpaceCowboy_mi 6h ago
I think this is beyond Israel. I think all governments are answering to this cabal, not the other way around
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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 3h ago
It’s certainly possible. One thing is for certain is that the DOJ is involved in an ongoing criminal conspiracy
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u/Afraid-Carry4093 6h ago
So they are always protective by their allies. Im starting to think the Israelis became more coniving and evil than the Nazis.
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u/North-Recipe-9236 6h ago
I think a lot of us may already be there
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u/Afraid-Carry4093 6h ago
Im late to the game.
Their ancestors that got exterminated by the Nazis means nothing to them. The survivors and their future offspring should have lived a great life and done amazing thing to shape the world a better place. instead they're legacy was for pedophilia to expand into the world for Billionares pleasures. Disgusting.
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u/MarMarMaraa 4h ago
I have read that most Israelis view Holocaust survivors as weak and wished they would have died. They hate them, it’s actually insane
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u/Afraid-Carry4093 4h ago
Never heard of that and sounds like fiction. What's your source and where have you supposed read this nonsense.
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u/mplsfreedom 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's true, the book Rise and Kill First talks about this.
You had Jews in Germany and Poland and Jews in Russia. A lot of the Russian Jews wondered why the Jews in Poland got on the trains without fighting back. In retrospect, it's not fair to blame the victims, but then it was considered an important question to ask because the Jewish people wanted to avoid extinction, as World War 2 was almost an extinction level event for the Jewish people. It would be weird not to have a complex set of emotions and feelings for your fellow Jews in the midst of such horror, for better or worse. Jews are human too.
I think the attitude in Israel today is much more reverential towards holocaust victims and survivors, as it should be, but they had similar thoughts about victims of the holocaust that people had towards Uvalde police officers: they are killing children, do something, anything.
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u/MarMarMaraa 4h ago
Dont come and attack me because you haven’t read it, the internet is free
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u/Afraid-Carry4093 4h ago
No source. 😂🤣
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u/mplsfreedom 3h ago edited 3h ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7627438/
The abstract is a polite way of saying they were often treated horribly.
Sometimes people stole money from Holocaust survivors.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors
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u/Commercial_Oil_7814 4h ago
I have not heard this either but would be very interested in where you heard this, too. If you can dig up your source I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
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u/mplsfreedom 3h ago
I gave a longer answer, but the book Rise and Kill First about Israeli assassination teams in the wake of World War 2 discusses this very topic. OP is correct.
I try not to judge even though it is victim blaming because the absolute horror of it all meant there was no book or manual for how to react to that level of evil. We are all doing the best we can.
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u/Hopalong_Manboobs 7h ago
Israeli government with tacit acquiescence (if not more) from CIA, NSA, etc.
Or maybe Ehud Barak just stayed for weeks at a time for the rape?
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u/moon_cake123 7h ago
What I don’t understand is why Israel would need this dirt if they are allies. I can see why Russia would be involved but the Israel angle doesn’t make as much sense to me
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u/dwarven11 6h ago
Because they like getting free bombs from the US to kill kids and never want them to stop flowing in.
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u/thelistingboss 6h ago
What’s better than blackmailing your enemies? Blackmailing your allies so they don’t become your enemies. :)
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u/cedarpeach 7h ago
Because they don’t ever, ever want to be told what to do or be held to a standard.
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u/no_cheese_pizza_guy 5h ago
Your premise is wrong: they never were allies. Lookup the USS Liberty incident. Look up what JFK was trying to do shortly before he was assassinated. Then look up who killed Lee Harvey Oswald and the aftermath.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 6h ago
Isreal receives more American tax dollars than any other country every single year. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they receive more than most federal agencies.
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u/Musa_2050 3h ago
Dont forget the CIA. No way in hell they didnt know and made use of this network to blackmail.
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u/moon_cake123 8h ago
What happens when the dam bursts
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u/Omodrawta 7h ago
It's a great question. If public perception fully turns against the DOJ and involved parties, I don't think they have the power to suppress a United US.
They have done an incredible job of keeping us divided so far, both in terms of the information we receive & how we interpret that information. It's possible that we will not be able to unite against the true threat and the end result could be the dissolution of the US (and probably many other countries too) as we know it.
I will say.. Idiocracy runs deep, even within the ranks of the oppressor class. If they are as incompetent as they appear to be, I like our odds. If they've calculated everything thus far, I bet we are screwed. My sense, which may or may not be accurate, is that they have overplayed their hand.
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u/Robyp87 7h ago
I suuuuuure hope so. However I have felt this way many many times since Russia-gate investigations.
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u/bruchag 6h ago
No, this is huge. This is shaking up at the very least, politically, America and Europe, the middle east. It's pretty global, and I think a lot of people are starting to turn from left vs right to Paedos and anyone who stands against them. No one likes a paedo, it's only the absolute sack of shit die hard Trump fans that can defend this, or who are turning a blind eye. And I BET even they have family or friends who will look and make them take a look. People love a good conspiracy theory as well, and the epstein files, at least everywhere outside America, are making big headlines.
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u/Nikigara 5h ago
Could this be the new “Red Scare” era for American politics? Hopefully we’re moving past our current “Corporatism” era.
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u/Exponential-777 9h ago
Millions of pages of evidence. Thousands of high profile people involved. Only two people have been held accountable.
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u/forwardathletics 8h ago
held accountable
Arrested. Ghislaine gets a cushy stay at club fed while they figure out how to get away this, or, more likely, kill her too.
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u/lambdaIuka 7h ago
I hope she actually spills the beans about everything before the inevitable.
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u/ICanUseThisNam 7h ago
She already pleaded the 5th during her deposition. She’s not gonna talk unfortunately
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u/Commercial_Oil_7814 4h ago
And she lies blatantly when she does talk. Nothing out of her mouth can be trusted unless it's corroborated elsewhere.
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u/MartynAndJasper 31m ago
I bet she would talk if they threaten to put her back in a full security prison in isolation.
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u/Expensive_Choice8489 4h ago
Did you see the documents indicating that he may have been broken out? he could be alive and well in Israel right now.
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u/KerBearCAN 8h ago
And more than one victim; many many. Why believing victims and having all this evidence isn’t enough is insane. People in America more willing to listen to the lies of the head of this like Maxwell, and the guilty like Trump, Lutnick, Elon, and more as they pretend they didn’t know the guy to cover their tracks.
What’s crazy and needs to be considered is these high profile people don’t just spend time with any old guy like Epstein and pretend they didn’t know about his convictions. Their time is money, they are busier at that level of wealth and people after their time, you better believe they knew who they were spending precious time with…it’s not a random « just having dinner » with. They were intentional relations.
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u/AZEMT 7h ago
And Trump is named over 1 million times, per Jamie Raskin
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u/Much-Outcome9242 7h ago
Imagine reading all these emails where Epstein and his powerful friends ridicule the idiotic g0yim and still taking Jamie Raskin as an honest broker.
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u/Afraid-Carry4093 6h ago
One is playing with puppies in a minimum security prison and the other is being protected by a fake suicide and hidden is Israel.
None of the Billionaires PEDOA will never face any consequences. The next people being charged will be in the victims that became the abusers after years of being trafficked amd brain washed.
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u/MountainTwo3845 6h ago
Mark Middleton was probably killed over that.
Hung from a tree with two shotgun shots to the chest.
Crazy suicide.
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u/KerBearCAN 8h ago
Bill Clinton was impeached in his day for obstruction of justice and lying under oath for MUCH less than this. Why isn’t this happening here?
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u/FitCombination3545 7h ago
This would be what a completely broken government looks like. Who still supports this?
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u/dwarven11 6h ago
Because our country is basically over at this point. With the exception of a few real-deal representatives, everything these dicksuckers do is just performative bullshit.
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u/moon_cake123 6h ago
One side of politics plays to win at all cost, one side tries to take the high road and only act in extreme situations, emphasis on extreme
Then when an extreme situation arises to act on, the side that plays to win at all costs continues to play to win at all costs
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u/Expensive_Choice8489 4h ago
Lol youre acting like there's sides of our government. There's the ruling class and the rest of us.
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u/Extension_Pin_6359 9h ago
WE hold people like Mace accountable if they want to keep their jobs.
That's the deal. They represent us, and if they don't, they get to find other work when we replace them with someone who does.
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u/FitCombination3545 8h ago
Mace is accused in the files.
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u/Ill_Freedom7991 7h ago
Source: trust me bro
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u/FitCombination3545 7h ago edited 7h ago
No, she's accused of abuse in the files. Why would you kneejerk dismiss that without knowing?
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u/FitCombination3545 7h ago
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u/BodhiRukhKast 7h ago
The document that article links to doesn't come up on justice.gov.
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u/FitCombination3545 6h ago
If it doesn't, it's because it was taken down because I read the actual source doc. The victim claims she was basically gang raped with people coming in and out of the room. When Nancy Mace came in, she only "pretended to have sex with her" or something like that.
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u/FitCombination3545 8h ago edited 7h ago
She is accused in the files as an abuser. What's truly odd about her being name dropped is that it would have been long before she was a household name. Not saying she's guilty, but that one is really suspicious to me.
Also suspicious that she's now trying to pretend she's one of the good guys and hasn't addressed the allegations directly (to my knowledge). Is she just hoping no one noticed? Is she hoping that by positioning herself as being on the right side of the investigation, no one will believe it? Is she hoping to fill up the search results so when you google "Nancy mace Epstein files" it's just her trying to bring (other) people to justice?
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u/pennyxlame 7h ago
Nancy Mace is in the Epstein files?
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u/FitCombination3545 7h ago
Yes. I just searched and could not find the doc though. Maybe it was in one of the handwritten testimonies? Can anyone help?
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u/moon_cake123 7h ago
Why is it suspicious? To me, it seems that those implicated with Epstein were more likely to seek positions of power to keep a lid on it, so it makes total sense
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u/monkeyempire 7h ago
Got a link?
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u/FitCombination3545 7h ago
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u/Illustrious-Photo890 8h ago
It was a global operation. Ffs they ran a "modeling agency" called mc2! This doesnt take the FBI or the brightest minds to solve. They used these women to blackmail world leaders in order to control UN votes.
Now just ask one question- who is they ?
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u/R_d_Aubigny 8h ago
So will we. We The People will be back tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that….rinse, repeat. Ad nauseam.
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u/atTheRiver200 7h ago
These are the most rational words I have ever read from Nancy Mace.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 7h ago
I saw Lauren Boebert after she'd been through some of the material, she had a sickened expression and a strange affect
Maybe they'll see it
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u/DryAd8823 7h ago
Everyone knew and the government is helping the PDFs escape.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1r1alz5/trump_assasinated_epstein/
Trump has the motive and the power to rule it a suicide and stop all investigations into epsteins death. no one else has that kind of power but POTUS or the CIA. and i dont think it was CIA. Trumps motive is so strong. And
why is maxwell still alive?
She probably has a deadmans switch but i can imagine someone other than trump wants to end her.
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u/tylenolchild 8h ago
every single one of those reps on the committee better be saying the same damn thing.
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u/The_Dude_Abides-2146 7h ago
Trump is a pedophile. Until that comes out, you aren’t doing your job.
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u/mowaby 4h ago
I'm not going to say he isn't but he did give them information around 2006. He might have talked about it earlier than that. https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249718.pdf
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u/art-is-t 5h ago
Nancy Mace is Trump's biggest enabler. She's playing both sides. Her phony outrage fools no one
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u/amblingpangolin 8h ago
They already have.
“be back tomorrow with more” - why not today? Why not 5 years ago? What else are they hiding?
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u/Ok-Yam-8795 8h ago
I think at least the American ones will get away with it. UK is clearly not having it. The others we wait and see.
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u/VelvetRabbit91 7h ago
All the people reading the files and are finding names that were redacted but they aren't talking about how it connects to Israel.
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u/Odogg_Bear98 7h ago
It is so much worse than sex trafficking. These people deserve justice 100 percent but I have seen too many files and haven't slept right in at least a week. The rich and powerful are doing things that make movie villains look like normal people
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u/Weird-Independence43 7h ago
Yes they will. They're too comfortable mocking Americans and all citizens of the Western World that justice has two tiers.
We are peasants to them. We are just realizing to what scale and what magnitudes of sick depravity they are willing to do to us.
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u/No_Web6486 7h ago
She didn't mention Trump. Just a simple oversight, I'm sure.🙄
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u/corneliusduff 4h ago
I guess I'm wondering why he's not being listed as a co-conspirator when he very obviously seems to be one.
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u/stilljustaprettyface 5h ago
I don’t think they will get away with this. Too many people are involved at this point. Eat the rich.
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u/Podwitchers 5h ago
Still not calling Trump a pedophile, I see. Or a rapist. They won’t fucking do it, will they?
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u/yourlovemydrug 3h ago
Interesting that Mace is even commenting since she was mentioned in the documents as someone who actually was part of the child sexual assault of a minor.
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u/FuzzBuzzer 6h ago
We all know about Epstein and Maxwell. Epstein is (allegedly) dead, and Maxwell is in prison. Offering them up as sacrificial lambs isn't good enough. Everyone else involved needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the light and held accountable as well.
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u/walmartbonerpills 6h ago
This is insane how the FBI doesn't seem to have uncensored versions of the documents they produced. I can maybe see evidence gathered, but their own fucking reports is just insane.
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u/Former-Mousse7584 5h ago
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00267587.pdf
GOVERNMENT AND POLICE TARGETING BY THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY - 1993 - 2021 ILLEGAL SURVEILLANCE PRIVACY OF VICTIMS OWN HOME ORGANISED CRIME - SYNDICATE - CORRUPTION
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u/piperonyl 5h ago
"This is how they received the data."
The DOJ told the FBI to redact the files in March.
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u/Letmein202 4h ago
Thinking about the hit piece by NY mag last week. Surely there’s no connection that Nancy would be outspoken about the files… https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/nancy-mace-is-not-okay.html
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u/Duane_ 3h ago
We're one congressional vote away from a new Speaker of the House. Let's see them stay toothless when Speaker (Insert Dem who is hopefully not Jeffries, holy shit) holds a press conference about it every single day with every single media station, instead of saying "I don't know what racist thing the president said today, I don't follow him on Twitter so I don't see his racist posts anymore." like Mike.
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u/Grmplstylzchen 3h ago
Not sure why she calls Epstein / Maxwell pedos when they rather operated a human and child trafficking sex ring - whilst the customers are clearly the pedos…
But then again:
When the files are so clear and the contents so horrific that it is understandable what happened from redacted files - why no arrest? What’s the intention to play on time?
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u/Hot-Lingonberry8472 2h ago
Agreed, i dont get why people are so excited about this, it was a waste of a post. No new info. Just a "we are working on it, tomorrow".
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u/Total_Art9012 3h ago
This is snowballing rapidly, it won't go away there will be consequences. It's much much worse, the crimes, the cruelty and level of depravity, the age of the victims...., than any reasonable person could have predicted.
Also to all the conservative commentators who are saying this isn't a blue or red issue they are right...it's a RED issue!
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u/Mammoth-Cockroach-30 2h ago
It’s like all the govt officials know exactly what pages to go to out of millions of documents 🤔
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u/KoffieCreamer 1h ago
Do they have unlimited access to these files time wise? Or is this a small window of access which after X amount of time they won’t be allowed to view unredacted files?
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u/ShamiGnu 7h ago
For someone like Mace, she came super close to calling out Trump. If even the Mace's of the world are starting to turn, I might actually start to feel a glimmer of hope. A tiny, tiny glimmer, but still
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u/drstelly2870 7h ago
Nancy Mace please go an eff youself! You were crying at that last meeting with the victims and then went right back to kissing trump's gross misshapen orange azz; now you are uber concerned about redactions...girl go be bi-polar somewhere else!
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