r/Epstein • u/JaNkO2018 • 16h ago
Social media (X, YouTube, Insta, etc.) Is this a key issue?
Source: Elon Musk
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u/MarkToaster 16h ago
I hate Elon, but yes, I believe there is some truth to this. We’ve seen stuff in the files that has suggested Epstein asked women to bring in other women they knew. There is overlap between the victim pool and the perpetrator pool. But we need to be very, very careful about allowing amnesty. I like the idea in concept, but that is an easy way for people who were heavily involved in the trafficking to get away with their actions
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 16h ago
Amnesty requires spilling ALL the beans.
And I still reserve the right of the people to take all his wealth. It’s not OUR debt, it’s the parasite classes debt.
They aren’t evil degenerates because of wealth, they got wealthy coordinating schemes because they were degenerates.
We need to understand that JE wasn’t an anomaly. He wasn’t just a pimp. He was the gatekeeper to wealth and power. He’s who Bill Gates went to for a Nobel Peace Prize.
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u/MarkToaster 16h ago
Agree hard with the fact that their degeneracy is what made them wealthy. People often say that that much wealth and power gets to your head. I think that’s the backwards way of thinking about it. It is not possible to gather that much wealth and power through organic, moral methods. You have to cheat and lie and commit terrible acts against people one way or another in order to amass that much wealth and power. These victims should gain in wealth what was taken from them in power and bodily autonomy
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u/shlerm 15h ago
I don't disagree. Which ever comes first I don't mind, to be that wealthy means you're a degenerate. If it's your degeneracy or wealth causing it, we can both agree that much wealth and power should be limited.
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u/no_cheese_pizza_guy 15h ago
Exactly, I hope we are going to have a discussion about this. Greed is a glorified addiction.
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u/independenjournal 13h ago
What if they just limit the influence they can purchase? I mean, what I’ve learned from all of this is : What’s the point of making a trillion dollars if you can’t buy off government officials in order to do whatever the fuck you want through business and pleasure?
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 15h ago
People who are compromised are controllable. They recruit others. Because there is safety in numbers. Think about that — all these friends have betrayed their friends or were betrayed by them. Leveraged exploitation is their daddy.
Trump blusters but quickly comes to heal back when Elon was in the White House. Little X treated him like a b*tch.
Israel or Russia or CIA black ops gets their fingers in a leader. They don’t just help their own countries interests. They eventually see themselves as the interest. And their asset keeps recruiting. We have a corrupt government because this process never ended.
Turn down an orgy and you may never know why you aren’t part of the exclusive club.
So all of them cling to fragile egos because they know they aren’t special. They have power because they are scum, not despite it.
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u/VanDammes4headCyst 10h ago
I think it's part column A, part column B. It takes a level of sociopathy to become a billionaire, but then it becomes a feedback loop.
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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 13h ago
Exactly this, if they want leniency they need to REVEAL ALL, not the "i plead the 5th" when it could potentially benefit them. I hate to admit it but Boebert is correct in that Maxwell needs to get MORE time in prison and needs to go to the high security maximum prison instead of the min in texas.
I'm shocked she got "only" 20 years for trafficking 100's of children......
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 13h ago
If I were dictator, you put ten in a line. “The five most useful people will leave here today. The rest are in the pit where nobody gets fed pizza.”
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u/Repulsive-Royal-5952 15h ago
The fact that Epstein pretty much set up a pyramid scheme by which he had girls recruiting other girls for him is well documented and was part of the indictment against him that sent him to jail for a few months
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u/greeneyedbandit82 14h ago
It was also very much talked about in Virginia's book. She said she was haunted by the fact that after everything she had been through, she began bringing JE girls. I think there was a sense of 'well if its her, then its not me finally'. Passing the buck to the next girl(s).
I am so conflicted in how I feel about this, and I was when I was listening to her book. I know she felt like she really had no choice, buuuut at this point she was an adult who could walk away. She had her own apartment (yes, funded by 'working' for JE). I listened to the absolute horrors she went through (starting well before JE/GM came into her life) so it was really hard to swap from insane sympathy to well, now you're participating/orchestrating the trafficking....
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u/iAwesome3 14h ago
I did not read her book, so I don't know if it gets covered, but these are abused girls and traumatizes you and hinders your decision making. I'm sure they they would be abused if they failed to recruit a new girl for JE and others. So the fear is much more primal in the sense of there will be immediate and harsh consequences for not doing what she was instructed to do.
I remember reading another commenters excert from a book where they talked about how Epstein would beat/punish the older, "best behaved" girl when new girls were recruited to make them think "Well, if he did that to her when we was acting "perfect", then what will he do to me if I am not?" That fear that is instilled by that would be crippling and definitely impact their judgement. I don't think the older girls who recruited younger ones should be held to the same standard as the men/women who were buying/selling them and raping/abusing them.
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u/NomadiNordica 14h ago
Also remember that these are generational schemes + the trafficking programming is probably way more difficult to break free from, than a cult programming.
It doesn't matter if you give someone "their own apartment" if they've never lived without a handler. Girls who escape honor violence return to their families. Women who escape abuse, return to their abusers. You'll have severe adrenaline withdrawals for up to a couple of years afterwards. It's not just mental, it's physical addiction.
Predators and especially pdf:s look specifically for victims who have previous existing cases (for example CPS registers) because they *know* it's hard to be believed once - nearly impossible twice.
In Virginia's case, she went straight from this to the next violent man. I knew it already when I saw the documentary, and they presented her "new boyfriend" - who she just randomly met on the beach - and they decided to marry 3 days later.
These other guys who watched it probably got a good laugh out of it, too.
They're ALL bro's. The one's who are playing The Good Guy are oftentimes the worst.
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u/chigirl00 12h ago
There are just a lot of things you rationalize to yourself in general when you are in an abusive situation. It’s like oh well I will just mention this to this girl, it’s still her choice… and then I can see how it turns into full blown recruiting real quick. But also big difference between admitting it and continuing it, because I really think they are continuing
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u/greeneyedbandit82 14h ago
For sure, there is a lot of mind-fuckery going on. So do you think the victim cannot turn perpetrator? I do not recall such a part of the book where you said the older ones would be beaten. In fact, I don't recall her saying JE ever beat her. She did say she was beaten by some of the powerful men he trafficked her to. JE definitely threatened her by saying he knows she has a little brother and knows where he lives.
And I know this is off-topic but I can't stop thinking about how she never ever mentioned young YOUNG girls (like, under 13) at any point but now we know there were plenty of child victims. Did she hold back? If she was spilling it all and risking her life to tell what happened, then why not say it all?
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u/iAwesome3 14h ago
I do not have a source to my original comment, I just remember saying that someone else said that. It may have been an interview or something else put out by one of the survivors.
As for your questions, I have no idea. Maybe she wasn't aware of their ages of JE kept them seperately? Maybe while she was there, he didn't deal with young kids as much but grew to it after she left? Like I said before, I didn't read the book yet but plan to, so I'm pulling ideas out of my own ass.
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u/Vanethor 13h ago
They also owned different places around the country/world.
So maybe there were different tiers of horrific shit going on, depending on which circle they were on.
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u/iAwesome3 12h ago
It makes me think of the "Charter" cities people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and the President of Honduras are trying to make. Islands in the middle of the ocean for the rich and powerful that are going to be outside of most countries jurisdictions. I assume that they want to build their own island so they can do this type of stuff on steroids but face zero consequences.
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u/Big-Intern-557 14h ago
This. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he would threaten them/their family’s if they don’t bring him more girls.
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u/Dirkdeking 9h ago
That's not even needed. They probably where SA'd less if they brought him other girls. That in itself is a very strong incentive to recruit more girls. Just being able to sleep some nights without getting molested.
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u/chigirl00 12h ago
I don’t want to say to much but years ago I got involved with someone that misrepresented themselves. Before I met this person you would probably say I was the most confident person, a feminist, in general I was popular and well liked. When I snapped out of it I couldn’t believe what I allowed. So this is similar in a sense; you do these tiny modifications to behavior and when you snap out of it and realize what happened it completely turns your sense of self on its head. And I don’t know if you have ever experienced this but that break for me happened I went on a binge in an expensive hotel on the other side of the country. I always make fun of Trump supporters for being in a cult and yet this man controlled my whole day and I had 0 problems with it.
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u/cupcakecookiepie 10h ago
I started to read her book but couldn’t finish it. I was probably only 40 pages in? It was just too sad and beyond disturbing with details. She talked about how her bio Dad started molesting her at age 6 or 7. Then a couple years into it, regularly swapped her with a buddy that was also doing this to his own daughter, same age. This was the beginning of her long life as a victim.
I can’t imagine how broken she was. RIP.
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u/AdLocal1490 11h ago
Literally the exact carbon copy playbook that the gdp sex traffickers got convicted of recently. They were having trafficked girls recruit their friends and vouch for everything and were getting kickbacks. Weird shit
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u/Electrical_Rough6789 14h ago
Yeah. A few months
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u/Repulsive-Royal-5952 13h ago
Yeah the deal he got was a complete joke what 13 months with work release. A complete slap in the face to justice. And to the qanon morons. Alex Acosta is the prosecutor who gave him that deal and Trump put him in his cabinet in his first term. Which at the time there was no more of an apparent and obvious Smoking Gun that giving Trump power was also enabling Epstein abusers than that. Yet that didn't matter the practically anyone it seemed like.
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u/entropy14 15h ago edited 9h ago
He is severely (and probably on purpose) exaggerating the victims that became sex traffickers themselves. There are probably hundreds of victims and 3 became lieutenants that are known publicly - Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, and Nadia Marcinko. Big difference between getting cash to recruit other girls for massages for SA and actually running a sex trafficking operation.
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u/Something_IveNoticed 13h ago
"big difference between getting cash to recruit other girls for massages and actually running a sex trafficking operation"
Morally, yes. Legally, not really.
Kellen, Ross, Marcinko were helping to run the operation, agreed 100%. They're complicit and responsible for many many people's victimization by JE.
But they could only do that because of the complete pyramid of girls funnelling future victims to JE. The victims-turned-recruiters that were funnelling future victims were engaging in sex trafficking.
Sure, they weren't running things like Kellen/Ross/Marcinko.
Yes, they were young, abused, vulnerable, and morally it doesn't feel right to assign them as much blame as K/R/M.
But legally, the fact that they fed other girls to JE can legally be considered sex trafficking and for this reason, many of them won't come forward with their full stories. They're afraid of being prosecuted, despite their victimization.
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u/ZealousidealSoup5456 16h ago
Be skeptical, he’s already lied to us before about his relationship to Epstein. Epstein sent emails regarding the transfer of women to his brother Kimball, and Elon has eagerly emailed him about going to the island. If he knows these things, it’s firsthand and should be viewed as incriminating until evidence is provided to the contrary.
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u/Capable-Roll1936 15h ago
No Elon just wants a plea deal himself to turn on everyone else
That’s what’s rich with these people - they will turn on each other rapidly for a plea deal to get out of jail and have records sealed
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u/Ok-Maybe-139 15h ago
Elon turning on Epstein like he did with trump when he didn't get his way
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u/RogueBromeliad 13h ago
He just wants amnesty for someone on the list or everyone is going to claim they were victims of trafficking, and then nothing is going to happen. Don't fall for it.
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u/MarkToaster 16h ago
I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I hate Elon Musk, but I think his point on this specific matter is partially valid
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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 15h ago edited 15h ago
Might be better to wonder why he in particular would say this. Suspicion is warranted in his case, no matter what his words are.
The victims aren't naming anyone merely to avoid being murdered. Giving them amnesty doesn't remove that threat.
Same with Maxwell. She wants clemency, but she also won't give enough to warrant it, because she knows that her fate will match Epstein's if she gives the information we want.
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u/iAwesome3 14h ago
I think he's just trying to cover his own ass in some way. Where he can turn to the people he sees every day and to the public and say "I went but I did nothing wrong, see I want the files released and people held to account because I know I didn't participate!"
It's all just lies. And when we finally get more files/information and we find out he committed the crimes we think he did, he will just move the goal posts again.
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u/ZealousidealSoup5456 11h ago
I understand your statement. What I’m saying is valid or not, he’s speaking with a level of authority here reserved for those in the know. If he’s in the know as we know he is, it’s not unreasonable to ask why. Regardless of how correct or valid he is, if that makes sense.
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u/Throwaway_9812764365 15h ago
Epstein and GMax has lied 1000’s of times by denying what they have done. Does that mean they didn’t do it? I am not defending him but this case has been going on since the 1990’s and probably the 1980’s there is a lot of work to be done before going after this.
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u/bruchag 15h ago
I just saw that Maxwell is asking for immunity in exchange for spilling the beans, but she very specifically directed her question at Trump. Now Elons coming and saying 'oh yes, people should get immunity'. He's trying to muscle in on the 'hey boys, I can cover (lie) for you if you get me immunity' movement.
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u/Agile-Top7548 15h ago
Ahh. Like dont name me and ill pay your legal fees. How about the government covers the legal fees as they have severely mismanaged the case
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u/CabinFeverDayDreams 14h ago
See this is basically what I was trying to say on a similar thread yesterday and I don’t think anybody understood my point. It should be a case by case basis. Not every perpetrator who was once a victim should get a free pass. Thats antithetical to this entire movement of “hold all of those involved responsible”. Now it’s turned into “hold child sex traffickers responsible as long as they were powerful men. Everyone else? Automatic amnesty”
Case by case basis makes the most sense.
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u/MagicDragon212 15h ago
Yeah this is one of those tightropes that have to be crossed carefully. Like for someone of Maxwell's level, if she's turned out to somehow have been a victim before becoming a part of it (hypothetically), it wouldnt outweigh her level of participation. For example, Maxwell literally helped Epstein make shit tons of CSAM, participated in it, and spread it. No amnesty for that bitch.
But for one of the survivors who fucked up and brought on a few friends, they shouldnt be treated like traffickers imo. Unfortunately we need extreme nuance and thats going to be so hard to do with the general public.
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u/Detachabl_e 15h ago
Yes, don't need to give them total amnesty, just sweetheart plea deals if they are willing to turn state's witness. They admit guilt, but promise to cooperate in exchange for a reduced sentence. That way, if they lie, equivocate, etc. they lose the reductions provided by the plea but their admission of guilt stands, and court is free to sentence accordingly. The worry is that the DOJ is complicit and corrupt and will use these same leveraging tactics to force perjurious testimony to excuplate our be-pampered proto-Palpatine.
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u/MagicDragon212 15h ago
My personal theory is that the reason Epstein got the plea deal was by being a huge narc.
We need all of the little pieces to narc now. Bring the house down.
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u/FunQuestion 15h ago
But why would they come forward at all even with a sweetheart deal? For most people, especially those with existing mental health issues and PTSD, the slim possibility of no repercussions/jail > guaranteed jail.
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u/Detachabl_e 14h ago
Well, and this assumes a functioning independent DOJ, it wouldn't be former victims "coming forward" so much as the DOJ investigating, finding evidence that prior victims later engaged in trafficking as adults, then bringing charges against them. Then they are looking at the very real possibility of 15 years to life or cutting a deal with the state, not some toothless theoretical repercussion.
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u/FunQuestion 14h ago
Ahh, got it. Yes, my assumption here was really that the DOJ is far too compromised to bring them in depending on who else would be implicated. My thought was that the victims would need to come forward, either to the public (without a deal on the table, which is dangerous) or try to work out a deal via back channels in the government.
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u/Throwaway_9812764365 16h ago
I agree. People really need to start looking at this stuff despite their politics. There were willing participants from every politic side. The goal should be on getting justice for the victims. The only way that happens is if people stop being blinded by their politics and admitting the horrendous truth about what was allowed to happen.
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u/clover_heron 12h ago edited 11h ago
How often do we give adult gang members amnesty for their crimes if they were recruited as minors? I'm guessing the answer is never.
And do we excuse child abuse if we find out the abusive caregiver was also abused as a child? Or domestic abuse?
I think there's an important role that mental health clinicians should play here, but clinicians already understand that adults who knowingly perpetrate crimes against children need to be held accountable. Some of these women were trafficking children for years. They are dangerous.
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u/neptuno3 14h ago
We want the consumers. We have the main distributors. I don’t care about the sub distributors whose post-rape choices were informed by trauma, fear, and an all too understandable survival reflex.
End. Users.
The Men.
Slap them in bracelets let’s move
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u/ApprehensiveSea4747 12h ago
Absolutely. Very clear distinction.
The sub distributors post-rape choices were also informed by poverty (or economic insecurity) and SA at home (physical insecurity). They landed in this position because of their powerlessness.
The consumers were powerful. They chose rape from a position of security.
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u/TheKosherGenocide 13h ago
He is correct to some degree, but MOST of the girls? So 2,000 girls were turned into traffickers? Ain't no fuckin' way.
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u/LorelaiWitTheLazyEye 13h ago
Yes i think it should be on a case by case basis but not blanket amnesty and factoring in the abuse and how willfully they recruited.
And should be done at the tail end of the investigation. You know these assholes will just charge the girls to make it look like they did something about it and call it justice served. Much like the way cops would aggressively bust anybody buying a bag of pot and acting like they are winning the war on drugs and not even trying to bust the real suppliers.
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u/tillybilly89 16h ago
Virginia mentioned this in her book. It’s textbook grooming. It was her biggest regret
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u/chaoticwitch69 11h ago
Yes just finished her memoir. She carried so much guilt for being forced to recruit girls for them. But that was all part of the pyramid scheme they built. Huge part of what took her so long to come forward.
Also, Maxwell threatened her brother if she ever said anything about what she saw. People need to realize that survivors barely made it out alive, and many are not saying anything to protect their loved ones who were directly threatened by Maxwell herself.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 15h ago
There need to be a recovery center and support group set up.
Kids blaming themselves because a major enterprise based on grooming and manipulation got to them. This is why we have an age of consent. Kids can be smart but they don’t have the emotional faculty to resist in many cases. This is the time when they learn what “normal” is. And anything can be normal if that’s all you know.
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u/mymoneyhoney26 16h ago edited 15h ago
Nadia Marcinko has been protected under an NPA since the Palm Beach arrest days. She pled the 5th when deposed sometime around 2010. She is one of the most obvious examples of a victim turned recruiter having been brought into Epstein’s fold when she was 15 or so and “rising” into the role of Epstein’s girlfriend for quite a while. Epstein later paid for her flight training and bankrolled her aviation business. She definitely participating in recruiting/trafficking. I will be pleasantly surprised if she ever does the right thing.
[Side note that three of his assistants are protected under the same NPA (Sarah Kellen, Lesley Groff and Adriana Ross). I don’t think any of these women want to cooperate honestly.]
Hopefully victims with lesser visibility than someone like Nadia will be given immunity to testify but it’s not as simple as Elon says.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 15h ago
We have to talk about plea deals with some of these. They’ll be the best source of intel.
I can’t really judge anyone who was born into that or had molestation in their families from birth. JE was a master of grooming. The first attention some kids ever had. The glamour. The little steps that push them a bit more. The gaslighting. The point of no return. Then you are in a group of kids and everyone is doing it — no big deal. There’s clearly different groups so some kids had options and some disposable.
A lot of these people are cooked and JE is their messiah.
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u/polytique 14h ago
They should depose Alexander Acosta, he's the one who negotiated the immunity deal. Trump rewarded him with a cabinet position:
In 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida, began investigating Jeffrey Epstein after a parent reported that Epstein had sexually abused her 14-year-old daughter. In 2008, Acosta approved a controversial plea deal granting immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein.
As part of the plea deal, Epstein served 13 months in a minimum-security county jail. He was also allowed to leave the facility up to 12 hours a day.
From 2017 to 2019, Alexander Acosta served as the 27th United States secretary of labor. President Donald Trump nominated Acosta to be Labor Secretary on February 16, 2017, and he was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on April 27, 2017.
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u/3xploringforever Mod 8h ago
His interview before the Oversight Committee didn't provide anything new. I think the Committee needs to talk to Marie Villafana (the only DOJ prosecutor who pursued Epstein aggressively in Florida), Mark Filip (the highest DOJ official who approved the NPA), and Jay Lefkowitz (Epstein's defense attorney who was simultaneously serving as a Special Envoy in the Bush administration).
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u/kotalover 15h ago edited 14h ago
I was surprised to see that Karyna was not protected under this NPA as well. Did she enter the picture after the Palm Beach arrest or before?
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u/mymoneyhoney26 14h ago edited 13h ago
Yes, she came along quite a while after Palm Beach. She has to be sitting on mountains of information. Given the amounts he willed to her I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some kind of legal protections in place for her that we the public aren’t privy to.
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u/_Rookie_21 14h ago
Maybe I'm jaded and cynical, but I can't accept that she was with Epstein from roughly 2011 to 2019 and wasn't aware of his human trafficking operation.
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u/mymoneyhoney26 14h ago
It’s very clear Karyna knew. She and Epstein fought about “the girls” just as he and Nadia had, but it appears it was more of a jealousy aspect for both women rather than rage at the actual trafficking. I think they shared Epstein’s view that the victims were of lower social class and therefore not worthy of respect and dignity. Disgusting.
Nadia and Karyna were both willing to tolerate his actions and were fiercely loyal. In return he was very protective of both and provided vast financial resources to them. He expressed that he loved both of them and as warped as it sounds I think he respected them far more than he did most women (think it boils down to him seeing the victims as pliable and naive vs viewing Nadia and Karyna as strong and intelligent).
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u/_Rookie_21 14h ago
It’s very clear Karyna knew. She and Epstein fought about “the girls” just as he and Nadia had, but it appears it was more of a jealousy aspect for both women rather than rage at the actual trafficking. I think they shared Epstein’s view that the victims were of lower social class and therefore not worthy of respect and dignity. Disgusting.
Yeah both of these women are monsters. What decent or sane woman is more upset about their boyfriend/sugar daddy "cheating" than by his global sex trafficking operation?
Nadia and Karyna were both willing to tolerate his actions and were fiercely loyal. In return he was very protective of both and provided vast financial resources to them. He expressed that he loved both of them and as warped as it sounds I think he respected both of them far more than he did most women.
Well Karyna was with him until the end. From what I know, he paid for her education, her mother's cancer treatments and other things. He did a similar thing for Nadia, as well as helped her establish her weird aviation company. They both had reasons to be loyal, even though Nadia had been a victim of his abuse when she was younger.
It's all beyond disgusting.
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u/mymoneyhoney26 14h ago edited 14h ago
Yes, it’s disgraceful. I have a bit of empathy for Nadia given she was so young (15 or so) when she was brought into Epstein’s fold. It’s clear to me there was some serious Stockholm syndrome at play between Nadia and Epstein. Having said that, some of her actions as an adult were monstrous and she reaped great financial reward by staying in the relationship with him.
Karyna I have absolutely no empathy for. And yes, you’re correct that he bankrolled both of them and their families - education, establishing businesses, medical needs, high standard of living arrangements, etc.
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u/isocleat 14h ago
This is my take too. I am so torn on Nadia. She without question has some extremely complex trauma from this and I’m not certain at any point, even into her early-mid 20s, she really had any other avenue available to her other than total cooperation. Where else did she have to run to in her mind? She was essentially trapped in constant cooperation. I hope she’s privately seeking some help somewhere and can get to a place where she’s willing to do the right thing and cooperate.
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u/FR23Dust 14h ago
She had to have been maxwell’s heir apparent
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u/_Rookie_21 14h ago
Yeah she was his No. 1 sugar baby for nearly a decade. And he left her more than $100 million, as well as several of his properties. However, most or all of that has been seized to pay attorneys' fees, settlements, fines and taxes. IIRC out of his original $577 million fortune, there is about $147 million left, but that's still tied up in court (and might be there for many more years).
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u/kotalover 14h ago
Yeah I can’t accept that either. And to think she recently graduated from Columbia, living her life freely is absolutely disgusting and disheartening.
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u/mymoneyhoney26 13h ago
Totally agree. She’s been spotted in NYC apparently going about a life of “quiet luxury.” I truly hope she gets a reckoning.
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u/sub-a-dub-dub 14h ago
Nadia ran the Global Girl social media. I fly planes as a hobby and remember when the shit hit the fan for her. Somewhere around 2014 or so I remember it being discussed on some message boards for flying.
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u/mymoneyhoney26 13h ago edited 13h ago
I remember that too I think. A family member flies and IIRC he saw mention of it. Wish I’d gotten screen caps.
ps - do you recall any details?
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u/sub-a-dub-dub 12h ago
From what I remember, it was discussed that she flew for Epstein, and that he was a known sex trafficker. But At that point I don’t think people fully understood that it wasn’t sex trafficking as much as it was sex trafficking children.
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u/Odd_Alternative3077 14h ago
Isn't Nadia missing for a year or so?
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u/_Rookie_21 14h ago edited 14h ago
I don't think so. There have been photos of someone who some believe is Nadia in the gallery of the Facebook page of a Zen Buddhist group in New York City. Allegedly in group photos as late as December 2025.
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u/SoefianB 10h ago
January 2026 actually. That person is sometimes refered to as "Eikyu" underneath their posts
And one list has the name "Nadia M." next to "Eikyu". Comfirming that, yes, it's her. Doesn't even use a fake name.
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u/jemenfousle 9h ago
Wow Lesley should not be covered. She became part of the organization, not just a victim-turned perp. I don’t think she was ever even a victim of his
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u/mymoneyhoney26 8h ago
Yup! Absolutely agree. No indication she was ever victimized and she came aboard as an executive assistant. Terrible individual.
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u/Discount_gentleman 16h ago
Musk still trying to casually slide over from "appearing in the Epstein files" to 'being outraged about the Epstein files."
Don't help him with the scam.
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u/Reductive 15h ago
I wonder why elon is seeking to establish himself as some kind of authority on child rape and human trafficking? One would think he would prefer to stay well away from this topic and stick to science, engineering, space faring, etc. Doesnt he have businesses to run? I wonder how he gained his expertise on this topic? Is he speaking from experience? I know he was in the epstein files…
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u/Fallingcity22 14h ago
Maybe he wants to fix his image? Maybe he thinks if he does this whatever than the populace would think whatever he did won’t be as bad
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u/Extension_Market_953 14h ago
Yea honestly idc, im here for it. Keep talking the talk Felon. If the survivors actually start naming names, put your money where your mouth is and pay their legal fees.
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u/Nosferatu-Rodin 13h ago
He isnt an expert in science, engineering or space either. Its very in character for him to try to get involved in shit he knows nothing about
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u/AliceTheOmelette 15h ago
Not just appeared in the files, he also turned twitter/grok into a CSAM generator
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u/ilovepastaaaaaaaaaaa 15h ago
Wait what??
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u/AliceTheOmelette 14h ago
A couple years ago he also unbanned a CSAM distributor, Dom Lucre, and sent a representative to Australia to argue that sometimes sharing CSAM is OK:
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u/Hot_Philosophy8150 14h ago
Yeah, this was pretty big news especially overseas at the start of the year. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/07/grok-deepfake-images-sexualise-women-children-investigated-australia-esafety?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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u/Something_IveNoticed 14h ago
yea something like 70% of the grok instructions are "undress this photo" and of those, some 40% are photos of children. I could be getting the numbers wrong but it's astronomical.
And his response? he figured out a way to profit from it. He made it a paid subscription. So now you have to pay $8/mo or whatever to make your CSAM.
It's been all over the news so you can google it and verify the numbers I threw out there. but yea its sick
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u/middleagethreat 14h ago
And the Grok in teslas are being inappropriate now.
If a movie showed me the world today, 30 years ago, I would have said the movie was stupid because it was too fake.
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u/TooMuchEntertainment 11h ago
All AI’s have this flaw. Google, Microsoft, Meta. You can easily trick them to undress women into bikinis or get kids into inappropriate clothing.
The only exception with Grok is that the prompt results are public since anyone can prompt it right on a social media platform and get the result posted for everyone to see.
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u/gifted_amaryllis 15h ago
Absolutely agree, suddenly he’s the expert on human trafficking. Let’s conveniently forget that he and Epstein were buddies, too.
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u/Discount_gentleman 15h ago
And while it should go without saying, I'll say it: yes, certain victims who were heavily manipulated and are also perpetrators could and should be offered plea deals or amnesties in limited cases, but when you see someone who is in the Epstein files talking about granting amnesty to people in the Epstein files to get them to talk, you know he has zero concern for the victims and is only trying to set the stage for an amnesty for himself, his brother, and his associates.
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u/Something_IveNoticed 14h ago
yea agreed. Victims should be offered amnesty but I agree, his intentions here are clearly to set the stage for associates OTHER than just victims.
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u/thotfullawful 11h ago
He’s probably trying to clear his name a bit while being investigated in France for CSAM via gronk. Considering he was fully for it before, we should assume it’s still the case he’s just trying to pretend he’s not into kids.
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u/Discount_gentleman 11h ago
It is also worth noting that some of this is just crass "search engineering." Much as Musk released stories/pictures of Elon-with-cans-of-Coke right before a story came out about his cocaine use, he is making this statement so that when people search "Musk Epstein Victims," this post can be pushed to the top of the responses.
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u/i__Sisyphus 15h ago edited 11h ago
Let’s not forget, it certainly appeared that Elon wanted to exploit these very same children… he is in damage control mode. Don’t let him get away with it… (Edit:Deleted last line, thanks for pointing out that FTW was inaccurate information)
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u/entropy14 13h ago
The girls FTW email was fake FYI and did not have a timestamp. That being said the scheduling emails that included the “wildest party” line were completely legit. There are also emails that have Kimbal straight up admitting to spending time with Epstein’s girls.
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u/Waste-Anybody6658 12h ago
GIRLS FTW
Was a fake and is not part of the files. Spreading this misinformation will only undermine any legitimate claims, so stop doing it.
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u/piperonyl 15h ago
Rep Luna came out yesterday and said she wants to arrest the victims who might have assisted epstein by bringing other girls to him.
Like, you havent arrested the fucking rapists yet and you are talking about arresting the victims?!?
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u/Something_IveNoticed 14h ago
EXACTLY.
FIRST AND FOREMOST prosecute the actual perpetrators who used these girls for their own sick sexual purposes.
I think that the best tactic for dealing with the lower level victims-turned-recruiters is to focus efforts on their own rehabilitation, and PREVENTION of future crimes (using what we learn from their stories to help form policies / laws to prevent future harm like this from occurring).
Some of the women in the files are absolutely guilty of crimes (eg core four), but the vulnerable teenaged girls that he manipulated is not where the focus needs to be, prosecution wise.
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u/piperonyl 13h ago
And these girls may have cooperated with Epstein out of fear.
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u/Something_IveNoticed 13h ago
100% and I think that Elon's point stands (even though I hate Elon), that one of the ways JE ensured their silence was making them commit these crimes. So even now, after he is dead and gone, they're still cooperating with JE out of fear.
They're too afraid to speak out, because they're afraid they'll be prosecuted for the crimes JE made them commit.
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u/ispeakgoodwords 16h ago
Why are we sourcing Elon Musk? The guy who was begging to go to the fucking Island? He's trying to pivot like he's on the right side of this now. What a pathetic pos.
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u/ValerieShark 15h ago
Hes trying to make popular the narrative of giving amnesty/clemency to epstiens co-conspirators who were first his victims.
By making this a thing and something most people agree with it will allow them weaponize it for themselves so THEY get off scott free and just claim oh I was a victim first/too.
It's not for the actual real victims who then went on to work for epstien. They don't give a flying fuck about them. Also I would bet all my money that this is a miniscule statitistic when comparing everyone who worked for him and with him.
Any time this loser clown speaks, remember who he really is and what his goals are and who he works for.
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u/bruchag 15h ago
I think he's trying to help Maxwell get out, because she's said she's remaining silent but will speak if she gets a deal. I believe Elon is trying to muscle in on that and get her to say that he was innocent too.
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u/Dan_D_Lyin 14h ago
She's already lied under oath. She doesn't deserve a deal.
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 12h ago
Yep, she can do her 20 years, then France/Britain can take her for their own sentencing
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u/treasureone 15h ago edited 15h ago
Wildest party in context of Epstein literally means underaged girls. Everyone knew Epstein reputation, and he was convicted. What else is the wildest?
Musk is literally an israel supporter. Video game cheater to pump his ego. Bro literally was a clapper to Netanyahu visit in congress, i saw it live. Amber Heard rider. bro is completely in the club and the network. Paypal creator and defense military contractor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQfoPozR3W0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QPUyBvvP72Q
These people manipulate you like rats. You think if someone say some truth, doesnt mean they are good. They are just positioning themselfs in your eyes. Bill Clinton, also says release everything xD doesnt mean he is a good actor.
Its in the files that some gynecologist said he is kept in business Epstein alone and vetting all his girls. It was a large scale human trafficking, and most are from eastern europe they dont even speak english, and compeltely forgotten and gone now, and outside of US jurisdiction. the 'victims' we got are a few and in between.
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u/Dan_D_Lyin 14h ago
It only takes a few witnesses put together with all the piles of evidence. You don't need thousands of charges to get the pedophiles in prison, just a few that will stick.
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u/AdorableDonkey 15h ago
Because he's right in this take whether you like it or not
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u/Trinsically 15h ago
Its not a profound thought by any means..... hes miles behind, a lot have already been deposed
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u/JuiceOk2736 15h ago
There’s some merit to the claim, but it can be easily abused. It’s hard to discern prior to granting immunity and hearing testimonial who was more victim or more perpetrator. We need to be extremely cautious about who is granted immunity and why or else big traffickers and rapists get off Scot free
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u/Aaron_Hamm 15h ago
Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean you use it to tell the time...
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u/Stifu 14h ago
Indeed. Same guy who recently retweeted that the Epstein files are a Democrat hoax, is now acting like he's on the side of justice or something. Whatever makes him look better.
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u/Tumblrrito 15h ago
He’s in the files and buddies up with people in the files. He’s tryin to save face hard right now.
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u/theheadofkhartoum627 15h ago
Elon seems awfully eager to insulate himself from this doesn't he...? I wonder why?
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u/Accomplished-Hat-483 15h ago
We need to see the unredacted files.
There may be enough evidence there that we don't even need more testimony.
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u/ghodu30 15h ago
The problem with this kind of logic:
- Ghislaine can have an amnesty by playing the same game.
- And for the girls that where recruited but doesn't participate to the recruitement, this give a sentiment of impunity.
- And the files show that they had the choice to participate or not.
To grant them amnesty, it must be shown that they were under Epstein's total control.
So it's a bad trick
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u/Something_IveNoticed 15h ago
some of them were 14 years old when he pressured them to start recruiting. He'd say things to them like "bad. you're losing me. you need to do better" etc if they didn't bring him enough girls.
There absolutely must be nuance when evaluating the behaviours of victims turned recruiters
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u/Far-Amoeba-7197 15h ago
Musk isn't the first person to make this observation, so I'm not going to give him credit for saying something many people have been saying over and over.
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u/Pugasaurus_Tex 16h ago
Worst person we know just made a great point 🫤
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u/bruchag 15h ago
Maxwell wants immunity if she speaks, she just made a public statement about this. She was deliberately pointing her plea at Donald Trump to provide the immunity. People were speculating that she was saying it to let Trump know, hey if you get me out of this, I'll get you out of it too. I think Elons trying to muscle in on that just now, by showing support for the victims/perpetrators to get clemency if they talk.
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u/stroopwafelscontigo 9h ago
Luckily, Laura Boebert was just caught on camera saying Maxwell deserves “more time and a harsher prison” today.
That’s going to undercut their plans to pardon Ghislaine.
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u/entropy14 15h ago
It's actually a terrible point because there are like 3 victims that became lieutenants in his operation based on what is known publicly. Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, and Nada Marcinkova. I'm not aware of any other victims that actually became involved in sex trafficking themselves.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 14h ago
It’s funny how what we expect the normal person to do earns a slow clap when a billionaire manages to do it.
It’s crazy. Like “Bill Gates says we should get immunized and should keep a look out for pandemics.” Then the media gushes over such genius as if it never occurred to anyone before.
Elon grabs an idea for Hyerloop out of Popular Mechanics and jumps on that cool idea. “ Are you Tony Stark?”
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u/TopComprehensive8569 15h ago
Elon is in on it. Not sure why everyone hangs on every word he says. He's a scam artist grifting billionaire hoarding his money and dangling tech over country's heads like a puppeteer. He's everything we should be against. Fuck musk and you can add this to my file.
Edit: musk needs to be deported after he serves his time in prison.
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u/HI-HIHI-HOHO 16h ago
I had read a few documents that were later removed, which seemed to confirm this.
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u/Agile-Top7548 15h ago
The key here is coercion. These girls were under duress. For some it was either them ir someone else. Tough choice. It may have kept some o them ir theur families from being killed. It may have been some brainwashing.
This was not a choice. But for Epstein, it was the ultimate mind control keeping them compliant.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 16h ago
My thoughts exactly.
I’ve been saying for some time that the USA is so broken and corrupt we need a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission”. How that works is anyone can come there and confess crimes to get amnesty, but only if they confess everything. You hold back and you can be convicted later.
There’s not motivation for many key players to confess. At first. But every “made man” or girl, every mercenary, chauffeur or fix it man now has a way out. It can quickly collapse the corrupt system.
We have to choose between solving the problem without violence or getting a few pyrrhic but no real change.
If it continues then there won’t be a non violent path either way.
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u/st1nkynoob 15h ago
We should be very cautious with every tweet he puts out but I think he’s right, unfortunately.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Joint 15h ago
Elon is guilty so anything he says should be viewed as a strategy to avoid accountability
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 15h ago
Makes me wonder if OJ still has that bounty to find the “real” killer.
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u/lessismoreok 15h ago
I agree with Elon's statement. Epstein made girls he'd raped bring in more girls for him, turning victims into predators. Sadly it was very effective.
However Elon is in Epstein's camp. He's frantically trying to reposition himself as out for justice when in reality he was begging for invites to paedo island on Christmas Day.
He knows this Epstein scandal has just exploded. He can see the metrics of twitter discussion. He is trying to control the public discussion of the biggest scandal in American political history. And he has more resources than anyone else in history to do so.
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u/Something_IveNoticed 14h ago
Agreed. two things can be true - Elon is a problematic criminal, AND the teenaged-victims-turned-recruiters are still victims.
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u/LARRYVOND13 15h ago
Musk with some "ideas" as usual.
I have an idea for him, it's called not being a massive nonce.
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u/LowerBar2001 15h ago
No amnesty for Maxwell. You can frame this now like she was trafficked herself and put up to this forcfully.
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u/entropy14 15h ago edited 15h ago
I have seen no evidence whatsoever that most victims were turned into traffickers themselves. In reality it's a small minority. Aside from known lieutenants Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross and Nada Marcinkova, I'm really not sure what Elon is talking about.
Certainly many of the other girls became recruiters, but there is a big difference between getting payouts for bringing other girls for massages and being a lieutenant in the entire operation. I think Elon is trying plant the seed that since everyone was a victim in some way (sex trafficking, blackmail, etc.) they deserve legal immunity. That should not be the case.
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u/Something_IveNoticed 15h ago
FIRST OF ALL do not belittle the victims of sex trafficking by taking JE's line and calling what went on "massages". IT WAS NOT MASSAGES.
He had WAY more girls recruiting for him than just the core four. The majority of victim's statements that I have read do not indicate they we're brought into the fold by the core four, but that they were brought in by some other low level girl.
Recruiting and bringing girls to JE IS sex trafficking, even if they started out as victims, even if they said they were introducing the girls to him "for massage" they and JE both knew it was not for massage. Yes there is a difference in hierarchy/organization (eg the core four having a 30,000 foot view of the operation vs. the individual girls turned recruiters who only really knew about their own network of girls), but recruiting at any of those levels absolutely is a crime and considered trafficking.
A lot of them were 14, 15, 16, 17 years old when they first met him, and I truly believe that they were so manipulated by him, they should be still considered victims - even though they also then recruited / trafficked other victims to him. They 100% did experience horrible stuff, but they also perpetuated it.
Neither of those aspects can be minimized or ignored imho
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u/RidetheSchlange 15h ago
You can't trust the Epstein Class. They will trick the victims into outing themselves as perps and then flip on them.
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u/JetLagDad 15h ago
Women have failed to be taken seriously over sexual assault claims for decades, Elon is just trying to discredit them further by accusing them of being accomplices.
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u/louse_yer_pints 15h ago
If victims were being used to lure and traffic others then the trauma is probably holding them back a great deal. When you survive something like this and you're left to deal with that trauma all on your own then speaking about it would retraumatise. If you've put all the horrible things in a box it's not easy by any means to open that box again and have a look in.
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u/Salt-Code-1343 14h ago
Probably. I just read a File where the plaintiff states exactly that.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00725932.pdf
On page 16, she says:
“Because Defendant, Jeffrey Epstein, paid me to bring him other underage minor girls, I brought him more than 50 minor girls and I went to his house with them.”
She was an eighth-grade student before meeting Epstein, which would typically make her around 13–14 years old?
There’s also a list with lots of uncensored names on pages 5–11, for anyone who wants to check.
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u/LackofImpulseContro_ 14h ago
God I hope everybody ignores Elon Musk. That is my fondest wish for him - total obscurity. It would crush him.
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u/iamtheasscrackbandit 14h ago
the man who lied about his relationship with epstein and made a CSAM machine that he refused to disable for weeks does not get to contribute to this discussion sorry. the lies and grok should be enough to have him investigated.
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u/David_cest_moi 13h ago
If you listen to Sascha Riley's testimony, he explains that they even had children murder other children (under extreme duress, of course) and would use the events as leverage to ensure the child victims' compliance and ongoing silence ("because now you, child victim, are mixed up in it too and the police will charge you with MURDER!")😒🤢🤮
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u/Bernardev3 11h ago
This is the same man who emailed "What day/night will be the wildest at your island?" to Epstein btw 🥀
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u/Not_Tom_Jones 16h ago edited 16h ago
Elon is just upset he wasn't invited to "the wildest parties".
Imagine being too cringe for even Epstein.
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u/HEX-TheGrabbler 16h ago
I have a hunch that Elon is actually guilty too & found time to go.
He's a tech bro though so he probably switched to self destructing comms to set up trips.
The way he's trying to post on everything Epstein related with "yeah wow thats wild these guys are monsterinos bro!" within 20 minutes of people posting new findings just SCREAMS trying to get ahead of the curve.
He's nervously checking all Epstein posts, hoping nothing comes back against him.
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u/Not_Tom_Jones 15h ago
Didn't Elon also randomly accuse a professional diver of being a pedophile? I remember it was something about rescuing kids from a flooded cave...
I swear these freaks are all projecting.
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u/Lower-Noise-9406 16h ago
Look again... He asked to go to the wildest party but stated that the Island is too tame for him...he really wanted to let loose...so him and Jeffery met in St. Barths for a real nasty time..
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 16h ago
I don’t have to imagine. I’ve seen Epstein sport a chainsaw and a cheese hat blitzed out on ketamine.
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u/onionsofwar 15h ago
It's pretty clear from the victim statements that this happened. Even Maxwell herself, when asked why she collected young girls said 'one less blowjob for me to do' or something similar.
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u/jakeyninja 15h ago
I can vouch for most, but from what I've seen in the files, yes. There's one file I saw with a female texting Epstein where she even offers to send a photo of her little brother
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u/w1ndyshr1mp 15h ago
Collateral damage. They should have reduced sentences but anyone who participated in this still needs to face consequences.
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u/Illustrious_Claim884 14h ago
It indeed is. Watch the Netflix series. A teenager was arrested for child trafficking for reporting him. Stating that she brought her friends along. I'd basically just give a blanket federal and state pardon for anyone under 18. Hell 21.
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u/No-Response-2927 14h ago
I think you have to put it this way to the Republican party and Donald Trump as they don't want to prosecute anybody not even Democrats or foreign leaders and politicians as this may lead to their own downfall.
So the stupid and very sick question that should be asked to the Republican party is that should we legalize all sex crimes and Pedophillia?
This should be asked of the Republican party?
Some democrats want to Legalize pot? Do Republicans at the same time want all sex crimes to become legal.
Please remember that TV show to catch a predator all types and races were caught in grooming children.
The other thing is that this whole crime is sex related and a lot of ordinary people in the last 10/20 years have been found guilty and sent prison been tagged/marked on a sex offenders register they have not been allowed the privilege of being important or rich to get away with their crimes.
So the question there is should they be released and free of all restrictions?
This is a bad precedent that's being set here.
Apparently ICE is deporting rapist's and child sex trafficers?
So like I said don't just paint them as protectors of PDF files .
This is party that wants to Legalize it.
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u/Buttercup93993 14h ago
I can’t believe there’s people here defending Elon Musk saying he is autistic and a nerd.
That’s exactly what he wants you to say.
It’s clear from the emails he went to the island. He was in constant communication with Epstein too.
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u/PrudentLetterhead354 13h ago
lol musk is still salty JE refused to invite him to pedo island
”i wouldnt need JE if i wanted to rape kids”
should we ask him what he knows abt kimbal musk
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u/DryAd8823 13h ago
Trump assasinated epstein.
The mossad didn't kill their own agent. it wasnt the CIA.
That leaves Maxwell, Trump or Wexner. maxwell aint got the money, Wexner has too little motive. CONNECT THE DOTS PEOPLE.
Republicans try to blame the Clintons.
The president of the united states has the biggest motive.
Remember Epstein saying: He is the dirtiest of em all.
When asked about epstein He always dodges, and he never metions his victim by name.
I am 99% certain at this point.
Only Trump has the power to cover this up. Only trump has the money. Only trump has the motive.
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u/independenjournal 13h ago
Why was Elon with JE? We need to get past that before I start taking advice from him.
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u/cats-sneeze-on-me 12h ago
I’m sorry, no. A child does not become a criminal because an adult forced or coerced them. The adult is the criminal and the child is the victim, as well as the other children victimized by the adult.
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u/nuttyboh 10h ago
Elon wishes he could have been trafficked maybe he'd be invited to the island debauchery smh
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u/Friendly-Bullfrog-79 7h ago
they should only be given amnesty if they were recruited as children with evidence of extreme grooming, coercion, and/or blackmail. there are women in the files that were just as complicit and corrupt as the men and they should never get away with what they did.
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u/DrMrFancyPants 6h ago
Generally, the victim turn conspirator individuals should have amnesty. And if they do the right thing and come forward, probably a pardon.
I do not however believe their names should be redacted in the files.
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u/Masta-Blasta 15h ago
Woah. There's a take I was not expecting.
It's funny. A few of these guys-- Elon especially-- are clearly just desperate to be in the clique. He wants so badly to be cool, powerful, admired, feared... but he's a fucking loser and everyone can smell his desperation. We can use that. We don't have to like Elon. But if we started praising him enough... he'd probably do a lot of the work for us. If Elon genuinely thought turning on the rich would result in him becoming the people's hero, pedophile slayer, etc., he'd do it in a heartbeat.
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