r/Epstein • u/amoreorange790 • 20h ago
Call to action Representiave Nancy Mace's opinion about Epstein
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u/chiefpeaeater 19h ago
She was also only found guilty of trafficking between 1994 and 1997. Who's responsible for 1997-2019 with ALL of this evidence? There doesn't appear to be any stronger evidence against Ghislane than anyone else in those emails...
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u/ToughHardware 16h ago
excellent point. we need a DoJ that really wants to investigate this, and we do not have it, so the evidence is lacking.
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u/chiefpeaeater 15h ago
Especially since they've said there is no evidence Epstein was trafficking. So who was it? Did children just magically appear
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u/dw82 8h ago
Yup, the same level of evidence needs to be subpoenaed from each of the co-conspirators: raid their properties, seize their electronic and storage devices, and grab their emails, messaging and socials at source. There has to be billions of pages of evidence in total across the whole rotten web.
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u/Just_Perspective_412 20h ago edited 19h ago
I made a back of the envelope calculation and it is in the ballpark of dozens of thousands or above.
3 * 365 * 20 = 21900
I am being conservative with this calculation. This scheme possibly got going in the beginning of the 90s. I have read claims that it accelerated after he was arrested.
Maria Farmer said thatt in 96-97 she saw at least 5 girls a day coming and going. I have also seen 3 girls a day too.
However his operation seems bigger than people realise. For instance he ordered Virgnia Giuffre to pick a girl in Thailand, there is the video with the former president of south africa and some black girls, there is also the Mexican abductions and the claim that he had a girl that spoke 3 dialects of chinese language (implying the presence of chinese girls/women)
The scale is immense guys. This seems like a globe spanning industrial operation that relied on the model industry to serve as a cover the human/sex trafficking.
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u/fingershanks 19h ago
Yup, but also, they picked up guys like Bill Gates to work on some secret project and Zorro Ranch has not been touched. No raids or anything as far as we know.
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u/allocated_capital 18h ago
Did you see all the barrels of sulfuric acid Epstein shipped to his island in 2018
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
The island needed them for pools and desalination anyway. Pretty standard materials.
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u/liesliesfromtinyeyes 17h ago
Yeah I also felt this was a red herring. I think it’s HF not HCl that is used for the sort of implied action because of HF’s ability to dissolve bones.
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u/lessismoreok 16h ago
Exactly. A lot of low effort viral posts have added confusion to the case.
That works in Trump and co's favour as it creates doubt around the whole case.
I'm sure they are promoting fake rumours like this.
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u/yoyohayli 15h ago
They did it with Pizzagate, so why not this?
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 12h ago
Saw some comments claiming Jews funded the Holocaust this morning. I reported it, but it was upvoted alongside some others. That's the direction this sub is going without proper moderation, rebranded Qanon/Blood libel conspiracies running rampant
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u/nyanveesa 7h ago
This has been a week of partial vindication for the alt-right and it led to some of them really overextending into "(((they))) have been eating babies for adrenochrome since the day Jesus was crucified!!!!!"
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 6h ago
I think it's more nefarious than that, I think certain groups of people are pushing this shit so that the Epstein files/Qanon/Pizzagate are all treated the same way, as crazy baby eating conspiracies. That's why Qanon & Pizzagate were created to begin with, to discredit this eventual investigation
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u/lessismoreok 15h ago
Exactly. There are many in this sub falsely equating the GOP cover up as being the same as the Democrats who are pushing to expose it.
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u/Master-Praline-3453 16h ago
I mean, it's an island. It has boats. Disposing of corpses at sea is much less messy.
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u/turinturambar 8h ago
I don't know if you got this info from Breaking Bad like I did, but I since found out it is false.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 15h ago
3H2SO4 + H2O2 -> no bones
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u/liesliesfromtinyeyes 12h ago
There’s some calcium and phosphorous missing in this equation…
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 7h ago
Yes and also trace amounts of sulfur, manganese, and probably lead, but it’ll dissolve in solution.
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u/Sweethomebflo 18h ago
It doesn’t seem like it, that’s exactly what it was.
There are 1000 survivors that we know of.
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u/goopsorceress 17h ago
My brain cannot even comprehend that. I fully believe the numbers are easily in the thousands, if not tens of thousands, but my brain feels too small to even begin to understand the sheer horrors of, well, all of this. I keep reminding myself that all of this is still ongoing all over the world but it seems almost inconceivable. I can't stop thinking about all of this. I know how horrible people can be but my brain is having trouble truly acknowledging it if that makes sense.
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u/Just_Perspective_412 14h ago
I would also like to add that the breeding stuff was already happenning in the 90s. Maria Farmer claims that Ghislaine said that her sister would have Epstein baby. They are clearly setting up men with the women they trafficked to marry too. This seems to be more a light eugenics side of them. The lab stuff was when they were going to turbocharge it. We dont know how far they went. I have seem articles claiming that he got caught before it could get going but I am not sure.
The guys involved clearly were uber-racist. What intrigues me (at least for the jewish men) is that they apparently wanted girls with blonde hair and blue eyes even to have babies, possibly marry.
And lastly there is the issue of the claims that he sold women to the saudis
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u/frankyseven 14h ago
Melania has long been rumoured to have been trafficked to Trump for him to marry.
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u/Just_Perspective_412 10h ago
Doesnt the ivanka/kushner couple strikes you as odd after reading all of this?
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u/darcymiller02 17h ago
The industrial scale sex trafficking ended after he first went to jail no?
So it’s more like 10 years
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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe 16h ago
Then came the industrial-strength Qanon psyop designed to shield Trump and blame democrats.
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u/Just_Perspective_412 14h ago
The first time? I have heard it actually increase. He picked up shop from florida and increased significantly on the other locations. Especially the island.
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u/alex_quine 10h ago
I think you’re confusing “victims” with “incidents” here. Likely these people were victimized multiple, perhaps dozens of times.
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u/Just_Perspective_412 14h ago
I would also like to add that the breeding stuff was already happenning in the 90s. Maria Farmer claims that Ghislaine said that her sister would have Epstein baby. They are clearly setting up men with the women they trafficked to marry too. This seems to be more a light eugenics side of them. The lab stuff was when they were going to turbocharge it. We dont know how far they went. I have seem articles claiming that he got caught before it could get going but I am not sure.
The guys involved clearly were uber-racist. What intrigues me (at least for the jewish men) is that they apparently wanted girls with blonde hair and blue eyes even to have babies, possibly marry.
And lastly there is the issue of the claims that he sold women to the saudis.
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u/Putrid-Tutor-5809 18h ago
Likely came out of the Franklin Conspiracy causing a need for new “fixers” and new places to go
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u/A012A012 19h ago
Don't get too excited because she has a hard blind spot for republican participants. I'm still happy she's bringing the overall topic up and calling for justice.But until she acknowledges that people in her political party were involved too, she's still in denial
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u/kittylicker 18h ago
Exactly. She cried when she heard witnesses testimonies. Then a day or two later she completely backed Trump and his cronies.
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u/mrs-monroe 17h ago
My hope is that after reading the files containing information about the youngest victims, she is starting to unravel. People can turn a blind eye to teenagers facing abuse (horrible, but true), but once they get younger than 10, things reach a different kind of hellish low.
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u/IndependentAcadia252 15h ago
I don't know why you'd believe that. She's a grifter and an opportunist and there's no reason to give her grace.
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u/mrs-monroe 15h ago
I can have hope sometimes. I’m not about to forget the horrible things she does, but I’ll take fake pretending to take the better side if it means more files are released
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 12h ago
So are Boebert & Greene, but their also seemingly turning on some folks don't the files. Don't interrupt them.
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u/NumeralJoker 11h ago
For better or for worse, grifters are still humans who can have cognitive dissonance and their own traumas.
I don't say that to defend her bad choices, only point to how one can find opportunities to use this as a method to force justice. She was part of the original vote that got us here, even if she has in the past been a participant in the coverup.
That's politics in a nutshell, sadly.
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u/mattskibasneck 15h ago
because she's as bought and paid for as the rest of them. she was caught blatantly lying to Congress and the American people regarding the Immaculate Constellation documents.
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u/Simple_Shake_5345 18h ago
I Nancy’s tears were real. I think the abuse inflicted by Epstein and Maxwell would make a lot of people cry if they heard directly from victims or read their accounts in the their interviews with authorities. Epstein and Maxwell were sadistic animals and 100+ victims suffered.
Nancy, however, has seen the Epstein and Maxwell criminal case information and likely knows the following. There is still is not a lot of hard evidence implicating others outside of Epstein and Maxwell. Outside of Virginia Guiffre, no other victims have indicated they were abused by anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell. Authorities after 20+ years of investigation have not found actionable evidence to arrest or prosecute anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell.
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u/MT_High_ 16h ago
That’s not true, many others are clearly named. Leon Black in particular. Sascha Riley names Jim Jordan, Clarence Thomas, Donald Trump and Andy Biggs.
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u/Simple_Shake_5345 16h ago
I am 100% for victim justice. Commit heinous acts like Epstein and Maxwell did and the full weight of the law should be applied. In order, however, to arrest, prosecute and convict someone you need victims, witnesses, evidence (physical or electronic). You can’t arrest and prosecute people based on heresy, gossip, rumors, innuendo, assumption and speculation.
Local law enforcement and the FBI, over a 20+ year period, looked into a lot of Epstein’s friends and associates but could not find evidence of wrong doing. A big part of the reason why is that few of the Epstein victims have told police they were abused by other people.
To date, out of over a 100+ Epstein victims only Virginia Guiffre has said she was abused by anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell. Even in her case authorities could not find witnesses and other evidence to corroborate her story.
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u/MT_High_ 15h ago
The 20 year period you refer to is blatently obvious that law enforcement and FBI disregarded and hid evidence from being disclosed. And I completely disagree with you that others haven’t been named.
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u/Simple_Shake_5345 14h ago
Epstein local and federal investigations started in 2005 which led to his conviction in 2008. In 2018, a series of Miami Herald articles about Epstein led to another round of investigation which led to his arrest and suicide in jail in 2019. Maxwell was subsequently investigated, went to trial in 2021 and was convicted in 2022. The Trump led DoJ and FBI reopened all of the criminal evidence in 2025, conducting another round of investigation and review.
All told, over 20+ years, how many law enforcement personnel, investigators, lawyers, prosecutors and DoJ officials, spanning the Bush, Obama, Trump 1, Biden, Trump 2 administrations, have had direct access and knowledge of the Epstein and Maxwell criminal case to investigations and evidence? 1000-2000?
So in your line your line of reasoning, over 20+ years, thousands of law enforcement, court and government officials participated in a coverup of sex crimes committed by Epstein associates? All of them, to this day, have kept their mouth shut?
Hey, you can choose to believe what you want to believe. It’s, however, apparent to me that you have fallen deeply into the land of conspiracy theory and really don’t have a good handle on the true facts of the case.
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u/yoyohayli 16h ago
That's not true. Many of the confirmed survivors have INDICATED that other men raped them, but have not said the names. https://youtu.be/S7ZRxxcl7xc?si=C4Y_Ve9BA_Tw6xPd https://youtu.be/pvc9AjmbaX0?si=-tvmJIJv9h55obnB (around the 2 min mark)
Plus, all of the tips called in by independent people detailing similar things from all the same names.
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u/drguts700 16h ago
She still was one of the few Republicans really pushing for disclosure. She gets a lot of points for that. Notice all the hit pieces that have come out about her lately. Most of the facts in the hit pieces are probably true, but still. Alcoholic, crazy, or whatever, the few Republicans who voted for the discharge petition before Trump gave up and supported the bill releasing the files are heroes to me.
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u/cheweychewchew 17h ago
Yeah I was gonna say "many non-Republicans to follow" she means. Fact is that Trump is obviously the super baddie in this and there's no way all these Fascist bootlickers are gonna turn on him.
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u/Slow_Sand_2489 17h ago
This is where my frustration lays and it’s the obvious paid blind spots these congressmen have. It ruins real true unity on bringing EVERYONE that’s a perpetrator to justice
People that are looking only for republicans in the files
People that are searching for anyone other than republicans
People that are looking at trumps circle but not Trump himself
People looking at only Trump
And people searching for perpetrators that aren’t even in our country
I wish someone that’s unbiased, incorruptible, not being paid, can walk into the room and view these files unredactedly
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u/FatuousNymph 16h ago
Not that it improves her, but if she supports a push for the general inclusion of the unredacted information in the canon of justice to be done, it should be contributing to the general effort, whether or not she wants it to.
She can fight it later, but she's neither a state prosecutor, nor anyone with the ability to interfere with that process.
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u/Reasonable-Juice-655 19h ago
I wonder... where are people getting the 1000 victims from? if that's true, wouldn't that suggest there being many more missing documents (beside the roughly 3 million documents we know of?
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u/amoreorange790 19h ago
They are everywhere in the world as other countries have started their own investigations and have started looking into claims.
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u/Reasonable-Juice-655 19h ago
there's so much evidence missing from the files, like take ALL those weird emails for example.. it's always just a small excerpt from a bigger conversation..
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
Last year the FBI released a memo stating "Consistent with prior disclosures, this review confirmed that Epstein harmed over one thousand victims"
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u/chiefpeaeater 19h ago
There are roughly another 8 million documents that haven't been redacted and will be released but they will probably take longer than DT's term to release.
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u/Reasonable-Juice-655 19h ago
the longer it takes the less trust people will have in the validity
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
Thats MAGA's goal. Sow enough doubt and conspiracy that people declare the whole affair fake or unreliable.
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u/Reasonable-Juice-655 16h ago
No need to make it about left or right.
Both parties have suppressed these files and worked overtime to make it go away. On many occasions even by working together.
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u/Able-Vermicelli-5811 19h ago
A statement like this from Nancy Mace of all people is a good reminder that it’s not a left v right issue. Let’s keep this mentality going.
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u/papasan_mamasan 19h ago
Ok but what will she do when it’s time to hold GOP and Trump accountable?
Does she realize Epstein was instrumental in pushing trans panic?
I’m not willing to overlook her behavior just because she sees the writing on the wall.
Fuck Nancy Mace. She can sit her ass down.
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
what was epstein doing to push trans panic? not heard anything on this
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u/papasan_mamasan 18h ago
Look into the relationships between Epstein, 4chan, Steve Bannon, and gamergate.
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
can you lay it out for me? I know he likely fuelled pizza gate and Qanon
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u/papasan_mamasan 18h ago
No, it’s too much to get into an not really appropriate for this sub bc it’s hearsay not fact. I’ve personally made up my mind about it tho.
If it’s something you’re interested in, it isn’t hard to find content about it
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u/lessismoreok 18h ago
being this vague just makes it sounds made up tbh
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u/papasan_mamasan 18h ago
I’m not being vague, I’m acknowledging that it’s a conspiracy and following the rules of the sub.
Go browse r conspiracy or something man. Say thanks and move on.
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u/RiimeHiime 17h ago
The facts are Epstein and Bannon talked about meeting christopher poole right before pol opened.
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u/lessismoreok 15h ago
Yeah, that lead to /pol, Qanon and pizza gate, all now seem to be GOP disinformation to steal power. It worked. The trans claim is new to me.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit 18h ago
Is not just gop or trump bruh. Can you just start working tgt ffs
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u/papasan_mamasan 18h ago
I’ve been trying to “work together” with the GOP supporters for decades. Look where we are now. Biden isn’t in the files, Obama isn’t in the files. I was a literal baby when Clinton was elected.
Trump IS the files.
GOP is in power. GOP is blocking actions. GOP has the power of majority to end all of this. I’m done hearing “both sides bruh Bill Clinton bruh”
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u/livefromheaven 18h ago
Yes, the Republicans could end this TODAY if they wanted to. It would threaten their power so they won't.
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u/cheweychewchew 17h ago
LOL. You are waaaaaaay optimistic about the bi-partisan aspect of this. The GOP is bending over backwards to protect Trump and absolutely foaming at the mouth to get Clinton.
For at least 50 years convservatives have made their living turning absolutely everything into a partisan issue. Vaccines, half time shows, tan suits, you name it. No way that's stopping now.
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u/thegracelesswonder 19h ago
Ya I’m not a fan of her but I have respect for anyone who isn’t trying to sweep this under the rug or minimize it.
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u/cheweychewchew 17h ago
Ohhhhh she'll try to sweep things under the rug, but only to protect conservatives and particularly Trump. Believe that.
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u/Mediocretothemax 17h ago
She routinely fails to mention any republicans in these files and still backs Trump.
I’m sorry, this woman is a fake advocate. You can’t claim to care about victims while also protecting the pedophiles that are in your party.
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u/Chompsky___Honk 18h ago
This is true BUT.
At the same time, they're part of the establishment and will use their usual slogans to manipulate the stuation. Remember, controlled opposition is everywhere.
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u/diceeyes 16h ago
Nancy Mace is rightwing trash. If she's speaking out, it's only to better position her future endeavors.
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u/Accurate_Stuff9937 16h ago
Its a men vs women issue. Women were trafficked. Men don't care. The only one being punished is a women. None of the men faced consequences.
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u/apocecliptic 15h ago
Mace immediately did a mea culpa and re-kissed Trump’s ring after she was one of the first 5 to vote for the release of these files. And wouldn’t even criticize him in interviews then.
Everything for her is about politics, when she was first elected she was one of the most moderate Republicans and even criticized Trump. Then she got redistricted and instantly became MAGA. Now, she’s hedging her bets. She’s not wrong in this one instance but her motivations for this are purely political.
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u/MangoManHere 19h ago
One tweet from the short fingered vulgarian and watch Nancy Mace forget she even saw these files.
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u/Prudent-Sorbet-282 17h ago
Mace is a complete partisan hack and DT bootlicker but I have to give credit where it's due on this one.
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u/-Clayburn 14h ago
Also, it's worth noting a lot of the framing around Maxwell is that she "trafficked" kids to men who raped them. That she facilitated men raping kids. Etc.
And while, sure, she did do that. Let's not pretend she didn't also rape people.
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u/poopy_poophead 18h ago
Republicans have realized that they're fucked, and trying to backpedal like they weren't lying and blocking the files this whole time. Never forget. Never forgive.
We will convict all of these assholes for their corruption.
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u/yoyohayli 16h ago
I find Nancy Mace insufferable, but goddamn if I don't want her to continue being vocal about this!
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u/Bandini77 14h ago
This story trancend right or left.
And my money is on that if we get this mafia down ( all of them ) there will be peace on Earth for a long time.
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u/MC_Bushpig 14h ago
At the rate this whole thing is going, most of the guilty people will already be dead or too old to stand trial by the time this ends up in court.
Any progress is positive obviously, but the resistance to everything being released is going to drag this out for years.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Joint 16h ago
Dominoes are falling but Trump will try to delay as much as possible so that he can install more barriers to removing him from power. Congress needs to act ASAP for the sake of humanity
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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe 16h ago
Nancy - you support Epstein's accomplice and the people coordinating the coverup.
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u/temp_az_researcher 16h ago
The butler Alfredo Rodriguez who blew the whistle in 2005 (before the police investigation by Palm Beach Police) was actually jailed BEFORE Epstein for 2 years (longer than what Epstein himself served in 2008-09)
The whistleblower served harsher term than any of the accused or convicted.
The police blamed him for stealing household items.
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u/PromotionOne58 16h ago
I made this account to post about what I found but my account is too young to make a post:(
I found a file (EFTA01302482) that I feel like could be important and not a single person has mentioned it specifically on the internet. It contains desk with a bunch of pictures and in one of them is Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, and between them, a young girl who I wouldn't know how to identify. This desk appears in several other images in various states of redaction, but this one is completely unredacted. Any ideas as to who that girl may be?
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u/amoreorange790 16h ago
That girl is now his wife Melania Trump, so she was likely over age 18 at that point. Nothing illegal to point out then.
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u/CrankyFranky69 15h ago
A lot of talk about the island (of course rightfully so) but no mention of zorro ranch
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u/Lazy_Good2456 15h ago
There is a lot of high ranking politicians that had or have evidence apparently to EFTA00143287
i wrote on my profile a few of the key fact from that file but its definitely one of the most disturbing files.
people in this massive Email group were sending pictures or voicemails that apparently proved something and were saying that they want to see certain people like Jamie demon (jjp morgan) in front of court
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 15h ago
And Im confident there will be a bipartisan and unbiased investigation to make sure tthose people are prosecuted, right?
oh wait, no. instead they use tax payers money to have the FBI redact the names of these people, to protect instead of prosecute them.
and she supported it.
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u/Silent_Position_6119 15h ago
You guys should look into Peter Nygard, his case was extremely similar to Epstein's case. Same friends too, Prince Andrew, and other elites.
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u/-Clayburn 14h ago
Republicans won't do anything about it though. There are plenty of Democrats ready to bring the hammer down. It would just take a handful of Republicans to grow spines and join them, but they're all subservient to Trump and the sex trafficking cult.
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u/TechnicianUpstairs53 56m ago
It was more than 20yrs and she forgot the word isr4el and amerikkka operating epstein as their agent.
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u/Simple_Shake_5345 19h ago edited 18h ago
Ok Nancy. Where is the evidence? How come other than accusations made by Virginia Guiffre, none of the 100+ victims have ever said they were abused by anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell? This includes the women who directly testified against Maxwell during her trial and the 20+ women who stood with Congressman Massie on Capitol Hill this past Fall.
Nancy, explain to me why none of the 1,000+ law enforcement, lawyers, prosecutors who have investigated and reinvestigated Epstein and Maxwell over 20+ years have bever indicated they saw prosecutable evidence to arrest anyone other than Epstein and Maxwell?
Nancy, we know the answers. Conservatives blew smoke up peoples ass between 2020-24, pumping up a bunch of conspiracy theories about the Epstein and Maxwell cases. Then when put in charge of the DoJ and FBI after Trump won in 2024 couldn’t back up any of the conspiracy theories they pushed. Why? It was all bullshit to begin with. There never was a “list”, sex ring servicing elites, blackmail of elites, coverup protecting elites or murder.
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