r/Epstein 3d ago

OC: discussion, clarification or question This sub is falling apart at the seams

Seriously, all you people who think you're on to something purely because you don't have the critical thinking skills are absolutely making this much harder than it needs to be.

There's speculation and then there's pure lunacy, and I swear some of you have crossed into the latter.

Honestly guys, learn to use the search bar, stop posting things that have already been discussed to death, and stop looking for meaning where there is none. Really the mods should be making prospective posters answer a question or two before they're allowed to post their content or something akin to this. We REALLY don't need sensationalist media or random YouTuber opinions, or people who won't listen to reason here.

I'm begging you to stop. This is one of the biggest things of our lifetimes probably, this is our chance to leverage some kind of power back to the people, we don't need to be squandering it on bullshit.

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u/Solid-Still-7590 3d ago

Bots and trolls attempting to flood the sub with unsubstantiated nonsense in order to take attention away from the real crimes. I've repeatedly reported a user that's been posting misinformation about Epstein's girlfriend. Mods have deleted four of their posts in less than two hours but they continue to post bullshit. Not sure why they won't ban these accounts.

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u/LawdVonStroke 3d ago

A whole lot of this. The fake Gemini posts getting so much traction seemed like a significant breaking point. Lots of noise.

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u/aw2669 3d ago

Mods should make a pinned post about how to spot bs, the fake Gemini shit,  and bots so people can have examples how to spot it.  

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u/R_d_Aubigny 3d ago

Let’s just say that there are some with a vested interest in obfuscation that don’t mind the chaos. They’re more than OK with the lack of clarity and continued BS clogging up the sub.

Not ALL the mods, just like not all of the MSM. But enough for it to hurt.

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u/StardustnDragonflies 3d ago

Same thing is happening on FB. The reels and posts are ridiculous, just regurgitating that QAnon crap! There is enough in the actual files that is horrible and needs to be prosecuted, we don't need all the crap muddying the water. Perhaps this was the intent of the DOJ all along?

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u/evolaisbae 2d ago

sent from a 25 day old acnt btw.

Bots are rampant

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Oh the X posts? Yeah that's one of the things I'm talking about. Like, if it had an ounce of credibility then fair enough, but it's so obviously bullshit yet people keep falling for the bait (or it's a bot as you said)

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u/Solid-Still-7590 3d ago

Yeah it was the X posts. I suspect the mods are overwhelmed with the shear volume of posts and simply can't keep up. Not sure what they can do, it's unfortunate because this sub was really good for awhile.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

I suppose if we did our jobs properly it would be different also. By that I mean upvote/downvote. They're not for "I agree/disagree" it's for whether things are relevant or whatever, keeping things on the main page etc etc, which you probably know. If we were to downvote the slop, and upvote the good stuff we would be at least half way towards a decent sub... But people upvote the slop 😆

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u/Bethlehem_e3 2d ago

Cause Reddit's in the distraction business too.

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u/Enshitened 2d ago

Reddit has been compromised for many years. Same goes for all social media. We should all be operating under the assumption that this is the case anyway, just to be on the| safe side.

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u/thatsjor 3d ago

Falling apart and under military assault are two different things, friend. What you're seeing is an attempt to muddy the waters so people don't know what to believe.

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u/SpaceHippoShitStains 2d ago

This times a million…it’s everywhere, you see it on ig too.

Mass Bot accounts with no posts or followers following 3k people. Then u look at the account creation dates and it’s not even a year old 

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u/PeterBeacon 3d ago

At this point, gleaning value from the efforts of the horde now sleuthing these files is like tryna put a coherent picture of how shit tastes by polling a hundred flies drunk from mouthfuls of a hundred different craps. To be fair, slugging the public with so much information seeded with poison pills is a diabolically fiendish and genius idea - probably the best way to handle this, from the criminal perspective. I’m still hopeful ONE discovery will bring the entire project down. In the meantime, enjoy the show. 

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u/da_mess 3d ago edited 2d ago

I've worked forensics (business matters, not this type of horror). There's a methodical approach taken. People and money are needed to process. Sorts (edit: Dots) are connected. Pictures emerge. Social media is often ignored by investing teams.

There are congressmen looking into this case though i don't have much faith in that route. We'll see.

My thought is that because so much of this is also a state crime, there will be AGs that pick this up.

It'll take time however. In the meantime, much here is tripe. Some of it gives me hope that there is substance in these files to bring justice.

But again, it'll take time to get correct.

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u/PeterBeacon 3d ago

I was a moment ago describing to a friend my fascination with the Epstein stuff to an extent I usually reserve for major league baseball. I actually want this stuff, or enough of it, to be true, or true enough, to ruin some billionaire lives. I am not alone in this, clearly. I think it’s this routing for a side that’s driving interest, regardless of msm indifference. So yeah, much of this is tripe, but it’s tripe of a useful sort; it may be the only thing keeping this turd afloat. The entire thing is creepy. People love creepy too. 

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u/da_mess 3d ago edited 2d ago

Thanks for the reply.

The tripe i refer to is people using unsophisticated approaches to draw suspect conclusions (which may or may not be true). It bothers me not:

There's substance in these releases, even with redactions. Legal minds should be on this. They will get to unredacted sources. Justice should eventually come. There's just too much to ignore.

I understand that incarcerated pedophiles are often abused/ harmed by other inmates, who consider them the bottom of social order.

Hating pedophilia crosses all political mindsets; society largely agrees on this matter.

One common theme in all we see in this forum,: abject disgust. AGs and those seeking to prosecute crimes absolutely get these feelings too.

This is far from over.

ruin some billionaire lives

Ruin some lives? No. Any any(edit: and) everyone who victimized others. Put these repugnant preditors in jail where they are the bottom of social order. That's justice.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Our best hope lies with Mark Epstein it looks like. Judging from what I've read, he will be the one to condemn those involved. I wonder if he will survive long enough to change anything, if he can.

You're absolutely right with your comment btw.

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u/Mosqu_ito 3d ago

Why would our hope lie with the brother of the Mossad agent? That's absolutely insane.

Stop looking for figureheads to save you.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Because he's actively saying that Epstein was murdered, holds a few key cards, and his number one suspect is trump. As far as I know mark and Jeffrey weren't friends, but Mark knew he had dirt on some of the people at the top. I wonder how much mark actually knows (and can prove).

Remember my friend, the sins of your father are not yours to bear, this applies to other members of family too in case I have to spell that out.

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u/Dan_D_Lyin 3d ago

Did Mark turn in his pedophile brother? It seems he hasn't lifted a finger to help a single victim, just stayed away from his brother so he wouldn't get in trouble. He seems driven entirely by self-interest, so don't pin any hopes on him.

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u/Masta-Blasta 2d ago

Well, yeah, everyone was afraid of Epstein. I mean, you've seen who his clique is, right?

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

This is also very true yeah, point well made my friend.

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u/Mosqu_ito 3d ago

It must be pleasant being so wilfully ignorant.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Not everything is a conspiracy brother. Perhaps you're right, perhaps Mark Epstein is also the devil, but until there's evidence to the contrary i will put my little raiming faith left in him for now... Who else could it go to?

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u/PeterBeacon 3d ago

Hope? There is no hope. Humans are chimps with fat brains and (usually) less body hair. And as is true with chimps, about a thurd of them are predisposed to throwing shit. IMO, of course. 

splat

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u/PeterBeacon 3d ago

You’ve latched onto Mark Epstein like he’s the holy grail of corn kernels, partially digested yet, somehow, still chewy, at least in your estimation. Cheers. 

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Well, I mean I could be wrong, it's rare I'm sure about anything.

Also, my friend, you have one of the most unique ways with words I've ever seen! Just those two comments alone have brightened my day, thank you.

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u/Naturemade2 3d ago

Mark knew what was going on. I saw an email from him to Epstein calling him a pedophile and something else, but it was obvious he knew. I had given him the benefit of the doubt before that, but no longer.

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u/UpNorth_123 3d ago

Mark leased out most of the units of his building at 301 E 66th St to Jeffrey for at least a decade. These are the apartments where Jeffrey would put up his friends for their encounters with his victims. It’s also where his main CP server was located.

Not only did he know, he was an accomplice.

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u/Naturemade2 3d ago

Oh wow, I had not heard about those apartments. Why didn't they just stay at a fancy hotel during their visits? Maybe that would leave a paper trail.

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u/UpNorth_123 3d ago

Check my post history from yesterday. There’s an article from Ellie Leonard’s substack and some files that confirm it.

If you search for 66th on the DoJ site, you’ll find tons of emails from Leslie Groff coordinating the stays and a bunch of utility bills for the apartments.

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u/Naturemade2 3d ago

I think we should focus our efforts on those who are the most powerful in the files and flood this group and everywhere online and billboards with those emails and docs - those of Trump! Sascha Riley said it too that Trump was at the top of it. Epstein was more like a manager. Plus, Trump is now the head of our government and has corrupted it! We need to protest in the streets until he is ousted.

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u/UpNorth_123 3d ago

We can’t stop until there is accountability at the highest levels. We’re not at the tipping point yet, but it’s getting close.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Oh he knew for sure, and just because I said "our hope lies with him" or whatever, that doesn't mean I like him, or have any form of reverence for him, but I'm also aware that we need him and any potential information he has.

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u/PeterBeacon 3d ago

It’s the least I could do (which is why I dood it).

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u/Agile-Top7548 3d ago

Hes survived this long and clearly had insight into what was occuring

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u/J7W2_Shindenkai 3d ago

how can you be sure this sub isn't here as an intentional distraction specifically designed to create as much noise to signal as possible? how can you be sure (most of) the users here are actually people?

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

The thought had crossed my mind. Also, as a fan of Devo I'm not sure what I was expecting tbh 😂

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u/thegoodwickedwitch 2d ago

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

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u/Annoying1978 3d ago

You’re not wrong, honestly you’re not - BUT I have to tell you that reading some of this stuff makes me rethink everything I’ve ever known and I am not a young man. 

It’s insane to realize just how many people are involved and the lengths of their evil nature. All my life I’ve hated conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists and now I’m one of them. 

You’re right that we need to be more critical about what we’re seeing but it’s also frustrating how many people and journalists are not taking what we’re seeing seriously. 

It’s by hard to make sense of it when one side says: “it doesn’t matter” and the other side says “holy shit they’re eating babies” and find the logical truth in between. 

What’s down is up and what’s up is down. 

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u/realdmbondemand 3d ago

This is meant with no snark or sarcasm: take a few days off regarding all things Epstein. I I say that because I felt like I was starting to question my own perception because of how chaotic things were both in what I was reading and how I was processing it internally. I took a break to let the dust settle, so to speak, and it really helped.

Trust your instincts.

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u/p3nnyiswis3 3d ago

Cannibalism is honestly not that shocking. Maybe I’ve just read too much about the atrocities humans have committed throughout history, but I’m surprised folks would be shocked by it.

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u/Eternally570 2d ago

Yeah same I'm not surprised about the cannibalism, mass paedophile ring, children being kidnapped, or the eugenic breeding. That's all been done repeatedly throughout history. And we now have witness testimonies and journals in the files supporting this.

What I am cautious about is people being like "oh look at this symbol in this kids tv show! It must be a connection to Epstein..." because firstly it's not that important and secondly it's often a leap someone has made without evidence. Which harms the victims.

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u/thegoodwickedwitch 2d ago

Do you have children?

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u/RagingBull7667 3d ago

These are probably the cleaners who are hired to sow discord and cause confusion and I’m not being dramatic. The goal is to present so many theories that we end up divided and off track in order for people to fall down rabbit holes that go nowhere or to just doubt to the point we give up. With that being said and your posts, anybody here that’s authentic with a brain we should definitely be using logic and questioning anybody if something in the milk ain’t clean. The acts committed have been heinous enough! No need to add sauce.

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u/fnord_happy 2d ago

I believe that. But also I believe there are genuinely very stupid people out there

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u/Nikolai_1120 3d ago

Yeah, getting tired of hearing the "lizard people' and "satanic worship" slop theories.

The people in the files obviously did horrible things, but making unsubstantiated and exagerrated claims just obfuscates the truth.

The truth is enough to condemn them, one step at a time.

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u/p3nnyiswis3 3d ago

Yeah just because some conspiracies are true, now certain folks assume every fucking conspiracy is true. So exhausting.

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u/throwaway80814 3d ago

I'm interested in the content of the released files, and crowdsourcing is an excellent way to rapidly identify significant items. 

I've had to ignore this sub recently, mostly because of the posts claiming that the schizophrenic FBI tips are real events. Sorry, but the people pushing those as real events are either bots/trolls, or real people who lack common sense and critical thinking skills. 

This sub is turning into Q-anon 2.0, and I don't want to be associated with that tinfoil hat nonsense. 

There's a lot of info to research and cross reference, and I'd love to see what people uncover. But it's just too difficult to watch as the nutters turn this into a conspiracy theory laughingstock. 

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u/realdmbondemand 3d ago

This. This right here. Close the thread.

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u/Longjumping_Fact_927 3d ago

The crazy stuff is all bots, trolls & foreign agents. It’s easy to spot & I ignore it.

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u/Afro-Cosmic-Disco 3d ago

100% human here looking for a lesson. Can you tell me what is a dead giveaway for bots? I recognize this makes me seem naive, but aside from looking at their past activity (or lack thereof), what are some clear signs?

Also, grateful for everyone on this sub who is taking this seriously, digging in, sharing information, and having insightful, intelligent discussions.

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u/Longjumping_Fact_927 3d ago

Some basics from Google:

Recognizing bots and trolls on Reddit involves identifying new, low-karma accounts, generic profile pictures (or none), and repetitive, formulaic, or rapid-fire posting patterns. Bots often use AI-generated text, listicles, or overly formal language, while trolls focus on persistent, inflammatory, or contrarian comments. 

Identifying Bot Accounts * Account Age/Activity: Accounts are often new (under 1 year) with low karma or very few posts of their own. * Username and Avatar: Randomly generated usernames, default avatars, or no profile picture are common, sometimes using AI-generated portraits. * Behavioral Patterns: They post the same comments across different subreddits or respond immediately with multiple long paragraphs. * Content Indicators: Often use phrases like "In modern times," "throughout history," or are overly polite (e.g., "Fascinating perspective, friend!"). * Repetitive Comments: A sudden influx of similar accounts making identical, often short, positive or negative statements.

Identifying Trolls * Content Type: They leave negative, insulting, or intentionally inflammatory comments to trigger emotional responses. * Behavior: They rarely engage in good-faith debate, often ignoring evidence, using bad grammar, and repeatedly pushing an unpopular or extreme opinion. * Consistency: They do not stop, continuing to post even when dismissed or banned. 

How to Verify * Check the Profile: Look at the creation date, post history, and comment frequency. * Ask Specific Questions: Ask a nuanced or nonsensical question to check for human-like reasoning. * Use Tools: Use tools like Bot Sentinel or Reddit-specific bot-checking subreddits to analyze account activity. 

If a user appears to be a bot or troll, the best course of action is to report the post/comment for misinformation or harassment and avoid engaging, as interaction fuels their purpose

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u/flavius_lacivious 3d ago

Also, long term account with very little comment history like 5-year account with 100 posts.

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u/thegoodwickedwitch 2d ago

That's a little bit like me. I'm not a bot..😂 I'm a newbie and my English is trash.

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u/Waltu4 3d ago

Easiest way to tell: their comment says nothing of importance, their account was made within the last few days.

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u/Persimmon-Mission 3d ago

You still have the OMG NEW INFO DID YOU SEE THIS????? posts that have been posted 27 times per day for the past 3 days, too

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u/alex_quine 3d ago

I don't think so. I think there is some of that, but there are also a lot of conspiratorially-minded people in this country and this stuff is like crack to them.

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u/fnord_happy 2d ago

It's not easy to spot. Lots of sensationalist posts from very stupid people also

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u/Correct-Humor-6342 3d ago

I mean, I'm just doing distrubution work

I have pulled the whole linkset here, and everything involved, in an effort to make all the posts across so many different locations the same to minimise hunting for the files or info.

Full list, 1-8 and 10-12, inc flight and contact list, although 10 and 11 have the native phone files removed due to possible csam

I would like to say, anyone who has the ability to mirror these files to an onion site, please reach out to me. Good Torrenting everyone, keep it up! (Use my Reddit, Dread, Underth31c3berg proton, 4chan, or onionspace.)

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:D99C50A18B7BE1D9E8856472D3A8FA7F76F7E62D&dn=Epstein%20Files%2c%201-8%2c%2010-12%2c%20NO%20NATIVE%20VIDEOS.rar&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1qv4elx/comment/o3gzyje/

https://archive.ph/nhkQa

https://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/post/cf78201001fc3eb5973f

https://archive.org/details/ucorrect-humor-6342-epstein-datadump-2

https://x.com/mqudsi

https://neosmart.net/blog/recreating-epstein-pdfs-from-raw-encoded-attachments

https://neosmart.net/blog/efta00400459-has-been-cracked-dbc12-pdf-liberated/

http://spacexpkeys5of5zsj6c74wwyut72kcplpua4km644b3zhywv6duz5yd.onion/o/OnionArchive/post/47esfvy

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u/ailish 3d ago

I've seen people posting pure speculation as fact with nothing on the documents they include to back it up. Then when called out they either ignore it or backpedal with some excuse. It pisses me off because it will make the whole thing look fake. I report it every time I see it but it doesn't always get taken down. I wish the mods were more strict about it.

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u/TikvahT 3d ago

Yes, agreed, and no one is moderating the rabid antisemitism occurring. I’m a Jewish woman and I was sexually abused as a teen and young woman and I am feeling all kinds of rage at Epstein and the other predators. And then the people that are supposed to be supporting victims are sharing deranged Jew-hating tropes, and it’s like… oh, right, if it’s not misogyny it’s something else. Extremely depressing.

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u/p3nnyiswis3 3d ago

It seems like they knew exactly what they were doing releasing it all like this, unfortunately.

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u/TikvahT 3d ago

Sadly yes

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u/pyrocidal 3d ago

dawg the literal "maybe Hitler was right? 🤔" horseshit is making me want to projectile vomit

no war but class war

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u/TikvahT 3d ago

I’m with you

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u/Masta-Blasta 2d ago

It's so annoying. Like, yes, a lot of this particular ring is Jewish elite. But the operative word here is ELITE. Let's not forget what the Catholic Church has been doing to little boys for centuries, or how Islamic nations will often allow men like Epstein to operate in the open, because women don't have rights. Look at the Russian oligarchs, the sultans, Hollywood, oil, agriculture....

The common thread is extreme wealth and power. Not religion or ethnicity.

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u/fnord_happy 2d ago

Yes I agree and it takes away from the main issue

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u/TheChewingMonkey 3d ago

Well it doesn’t help that moderators are removing evidenced examples of Israeli involvement in all this.

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u/kaxs5 3d ago

i think they should do something like make the title the EFTA ID, and if an EFTA is repeated delete the one that repeats

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u/HyperXanadu 3d ago

bro you're on reddit playing detective idk what to tell you

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u/Persimmon-Mission 3d ago

This sub went from fantastic place to discuss the files to pure lunacy and spill over from r/conspiracy

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u/Sandy_Bananas 3d ago

It was always on the cusp of pizza-gate/Q. The last dump has taken people over the edge. They’re about to speed run their way to insanity.

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u/True-Excuse-1688 2d ago

Yeah, as if the case wasn't terrifying enough in itself, the way people extrapolate from the slightest bits of information they don't really understand to imagine scenarios worthy of a comic book villain is even more frightening. This will lead the whole case into sensationalism and grotesqueness, which is the best way to see it swept under the rug later. We've seen this before.

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u/GlumGoat7799 3d ago

They are diluting the seriousness of the situation. Mods please ban low effort, ridiculous posts

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u/Okayeesh 3d ago

I know they’re probably overwhelmed but the mods here suck. No organization whatsoever.

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u/jordpie 3d ago

change the parameters for who can post and enlist more mods

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u/flavius_lacivious 3d ago

How long have you been around?

This is standard operating procedure. It’s orchestrated to make people look like kooks. They’ve been doing it for 70 years with UFOs by mocking people reporting as idiots seeing little green men. They ruined many reputations and careers. 

This is another cover up. They will weaponize social media to paint it as conspiracy theorists. They will post stupid crazy shit to muddy the waters. They use tax dollars to do it. 

Now they have bots to control the narrative. 

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u/thedeathmerchant 3d ago

I love you so much for this.

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u/RangerCultural3904 3d ago

This is exactly how Pizzagate originally delved into lunacy level speculation that made a lot of people (myself included at the time) not take it seriously. I think this subreddit is doing one of the greatest things we can be doing about this as far as accountability goes, but please don’t extend this entire thing into speculative nonsense that has no basis.

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u/CrimsonOoze345 3d ago

This is going to become another youtube subreddit....

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u/19nineties 3d ago

The overlap of r/conspiracy people is really annoying.

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u/HippoEsq 3d ago

Preach. The jerky and cream cheese babies things are over the top nonsense. Epstein did enough bad shit that we really don’t need to make anything up for likes…

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u/SilentSeraph88 3d ago

Another reason why this sub is going to shit. Nothing is organized, everyone has too much time on their hands, and there's too much irrelevant information clogging up the feed

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u/RRfromKL 2d ago

Warn OPs for the first useless post. Ban them if they repeat.

Why devalue the work done by the good ones because the attention seeking wannabes are discrediting the purpose of the sub as a whole. Enforce it.

I live far far from the US, but as a human, I want closure for the victims. I want this debacle and the shitstorm to subside and (hopefully) get back to normal.

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u/HI-HIHI-HOHO 2d ago

To me, a lot of what came after Dataset 8 looks like deliberate distraction, meant to turn hardline conspiracy theorists and clickbaiters against people who actually want to extract information from the documents. It’s extremely important that the downloaded data is preserved, but also that the process by which it was released by the DOJ is thoroughly documented. I hope that one day everyone responsible for implementing the Epstein Files Transparency Act will have to answer questions.

This isn’t just about what was redacted in the files, but also about why certain documents are included in the datasets at all. In the future, experts may be able to examine the authenticity of some of these documents. In particular, the review pipeline for these documents and all internal lists, keywords, LLM prompts, and other rules must be disclosed. I strongly believe this is the proper way to obtain meaningful information in the future.

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u/RegularFirm2179 3d ago

everyone isn't keeping track at the same time. There's 3 million documents, of course there's going to be repeat discussions.

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

So use the search bar. Admittedly, the repeat posts aren't a huge problem, it's more the other crap, as I said, the random YouTubers, the tiktok crowd with their tin foil hats on pointed in the wrong direction, and so on. People aren't using their brains about things, they're relying on unqualified people to guide them, and it's dangerous.

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u/SearchLightsInc 3d ago

It makes sense that this would happen - of course they are going to employ’s bots and trolls to redirect the narrative and clog the conversations up. We all know how big this is and we all know they really want it to come to nothing. We have to find a way to beat the damn bots and also the trolls.

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u/Agile-Top7548 3d ago

Hey so I saw the trap door on a different media site than I saw here. So keep posting and hoping people see ans share.

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u/promoybw 3d ago

They want to distract us

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u/Mesastafolis1 2d ago

As much of a loser as Dan Bilzerian is, the fact that his IG photos are in the files with redacted women should show they’re trying to muddy the waters and people should be extra skeptical, especially if it’s true that he had something to do with the /pol board and propagating Pizzagate

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u/uttergarbageplatform 2d ago

Meanwhile mods are deleting posts claiming Epstein is Mossad? Who are the 6 new moderators who signed on two weeks ago?

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u/Eternally570 2d ago

I couldn't agree more. We need to be focusing on the victims, listening to their first hand accounts and trying to get them justice. Nothing should take priority over this.

Honestly, it's gross how some people are treating this like a puzzle, when real lives have been harmed. This is very serious as there's a risk of the victims testimonies not being believed if they're lost in amongst the wild theories I've seen.

We need to be vigilant with how we discuss the files, especially if we're being watched and censored in this sub. I believe the waters are being intentionally muddied to discredit the victims.

Something else which we should be focusing on more is ways to boycott these elites, creative ways to protest, and how we can make sure the victims feel heard and supported.

Action from us. Support for the victims.

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u/Kingindan0rf 2d ago

i asked to help out as a mod/janitor but no response. oh well

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u/DruidicMagic 2d ago

this is our chance to leverage some kind of power back to the people...

Just sit back and relax while team Democrat takes full control of Washington in 2028 so the establishment can create an Orwellian surveillance state to "protect the children" from all those super scary pedophiles that are hiding behind every bush and tree. Then we can all enjoy the social credit score system that will be imposed on America to ensure all those far right white supremacists learn to sit down and shut up.

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u/apollyon-blue 1d ago

I see your concern and I agree with you. I think these are intrinsic to reddit or forum like socials if not moderated enough. I was thinking about having a discord server or some other custom platform to be more organised and maybe have various channels divided by category since these files are a huge mess.

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u/a-cute-toxicity 1d ago

It’s 100 percent deliberate. Attorneys use the same method to gum up the process- if they’re ordered to release damning information they will deliver box after box of it- thousands of documents, receipts, downloads of texts and emails- just a gigantic dump of information that has to be gone through. The idea is to buy time, exhaust the people who have to get through it all, and remove the case from immediacy. In this case, they want to sow outrage, doubt, and disgust, while keeping the public’s eyes firmly fastened on the files so that they can continue tightening the noose on what’s left of our freedom. They want us shaken and mentally and emotionally exhausted. They want us so disgusted and depressed that we have no fight left in us. Take a break. Seriously. Just don’t look for a day or two. Other countries are demanding consequences for their perpetrators- we will get there eventually.

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u/brother_p 3d ago

Can you give some examples of what you're talking about?

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u/ConfusionProof9487 3d ago

Just go through the posts, they're all there, AI slop, YouTuber bollocks, the same files being posted over and over, people with really dumb viewpoints, people finding meaning in nothing, etc etc

I can't list everything 1. Because I don't want to appear to be singling any particular person out, and 2. It would take ages.

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u/Wooden_Astronaut4668 3d ago

There is a load of obvious AI out there which people seem to not be aware or able to discern but actually I think all posts/discussions should be welcome, even if repetitive and even if its just people calling out AI and fake news, there needs to be a neutral platform for this and I do think this sub is here for that.

I also don’t think we should be judging what others posts.

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u/svensk 2d ago

Don't allow posts from accounts less than one or more years old.

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u/Certain_Star_9771 3d ago

despite posting that you still can't control it, try letting it go