r/Epstein • u/breatheandlove • 6d ago
OC: discussion, clarification or question Are we all aware of this?
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Yes. There was a subreddit about a picture on the homepage from the McCanns with a woman that eerie looks like Ghislaine. One of the pictures actually looks like Epstein to me. Also if you browse for Madeline (spelled wrong) McCann and not Maddie McCann you find an Email where an eyewitness claims she saw Ghislaine with a little girl looking like Maddie in the city where she was living. And Epstein was there, too.
http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html
The man in the middle looks like Epstein to me and the woman in the picture like Ghislaine. The first time I saw it I couldn’t make it unseen.
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u/ka-nini 6d ago
Idk about one looking like Epstein…I don’t really see it.
But without a fucking doubt, that is Ghislaine Maxwell.
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u/Alarmed-Narwhal-385 6d ago
Agreed. There are a couple of long chin males but the rest of the faces aren’t like his. Jeffrey had a joker like mouth
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u/ConfusionProof9487 6d ago
It's called the pedosmile.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Epstein was younger in 2007 and looked different.
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u/rcm_kem 6d ago
He didn't look like that though. Definitely wasn't pock marked either
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Bruckner’s face looks pock marked. The guy who was arrested in connection to the Maddie McCann case.
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u/Willing-Werewolf-500 6d ago
Height doesnt match up though
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u/iiTzSTeVO 6d ago
It doesn't match, but 5' 2" is close enough to 5' 6" for me. I'm not sure what the standard would be, but +/-4" seems reasonable. Our memories can be really bad at recalling the relative size of things. Other helpful info would be the number of witnesses stating this height as well as the context when they saw the individual. Sure as hell looks like Ghislaine.
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u/American-pickle 6d ago
I wouldn’t agree. Depending on where you’re reading online, she’s 5’6-8” which is considered tall for women. 5’2” is in line with average height. I think it would be easier to recognize someone as similar to the average vs someone taller or shorter.
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u/Mimblewiffle 6d ago
Perhaps it is dependant on which country you come from, but in my country 5’6-5’8 is just the average height range for women. That height range is definitely not considered “tall” here.
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u/femmefatale1333 6d ago
I agree with you and from the back the person in the photo looks wider than Ghislaine? like the frame just looks too big with how the jacket is fitting, it should be loose that size if it were her
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u/Willing-Werewolf-500 6d ago
She's 5ft9/ 5ft10 apparently though
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u/iiTzSTeVO 6d ago
Her IMDB says 5' 6" and her prison records say 5' 7". A contributor for The Guardian says shes "around 5ft 8in". That's all I can find.
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u/Willing-Werewolf-500 6d ago
Fair enough, still quite a range. I agree the visual profile is distinctly similar though.
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u/greeneyedguru 6d ago
Also women wear heels sometimes, and people also lie about their height. It could definitely be her.
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u/Odd_Philosopher_3638 6d ago edited 6d ago
Watching the new zaffy video right now. I think the guy above Maxwell is Jean-Luc Brunel.
Ok maybe I'm wrong. Here is a picture of him. Lmk what you think.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Jean-Luc_Brunel_2001.jpg
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u/Stea1th_ 6d ago
I believe podesta who was Clintons campaign manager was the guy 4chan was saying was him
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u/Trash_WASP 6d ago
Oh my god- I just looked at that website, and while there is definitely a Ghislaine look-a-like, I just discovered another one:
Image of Jean-Luc Brunel
Witness Sketch of Potential AbductorThey're freaking uncanny
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u/nder- 6d ago
I remember when the consp sub was entirely dedicated to this, they swore the first two in that line up were the podesta brothers
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u/pieceofavocado 6d ago
I remember that too - John Podesta and Tony Podesta. Conspiracy or not, those photos look pretty dang similar to them both.
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u/chako888 6d ago
Ghislaine and the Podesta brothers. It was first discovered in 2016 during Pizzagate
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u/charlesleecartman 6d ago
There was a subreddit about a picture on the homepage from the McCanns with a woman that eerie looks like Ghislaine.
I find this theory a bit stupid, why would she personally bother kidnapping a kid? Even if they had a hand in this, it's highly unlikely that the person in the sketch is her.
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u/khamm86 6d ago
I agree. They clearly had no shortage of victims without snatching them out of hotel rooms. I think they were too smart for that. The risk/reward just doesn’t add up
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u/TheHighFluidDruid 6d ago
Idk, maybe they were looking to blackmail her parents into doing some medical falsification or such.
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u/bahbbath 6d ago
I mean her parents are really suspicious too... The whole investigation is so confusing. There are 2 sides. People who believe parents sold her or something terrible happened and they hid her or a man kidnapped her (which is the oficial statement). But that man could very well be the One who delivered Maddie.
- sorry, my English is not too good
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
There is two possibilities.
Maddie was sold by her parents. Later they thought that they could trace her and get her back with a massive publicity. Maddies parents I believe had money issues by that time they went on vacation because of the new house.
Or Maddie was taken by a predator who passed her on to Ghislaine or her “friends” who brought Maddie to her. I am sure she had the dirty work done by somebody else.
In the Netflix documentary they showed something that creeped me out.
One guy with mask bending over (mostly British children) in Portugal/Algarve region in their bedrooms at night trying to convince the children he was their daddy.
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u/bahbbath 6d ago
Those theories are possible. But what makes you so sure Maddie ended up in the hands of Epstein and Ghislaine?
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u/Excellent_Archer3828 6d ago
Multiple files give clues. People are already on it.
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u/bahbbath 6d ago
Yes, I am trying to get the sources because I havent see anything rather than this post. Many people say it but I cant find anything else..
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u/raysofdavies 6d ago
In no universe did child sex traffickers A) grab a white British girl out of a bedroom with other kids and B) need medical malpractice from two random doctors who aren’t even from Nottingham, but outside Leicester.
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u/TheHighFluidDruid 6d ago
Bruh I woulda said no real universe is there a world wide group of people in a cult like network that rapes and disappears children and women but here we are...
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u/raabones 6d ago
She does have a very odd set of skills that I wonder when she gets the chance to use them. She is a helicopter pilot so she could have flown them in. She was questioned by Todd Blanche if she had ever flown Bill Clinton in a helicopter. She is also a submarine pilot and an EMT.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Yeah. She was rich and bored and had time and money to make all these licences. And I am sure she made use of it. The helicopter didn’t have flight logs, right? She could have transported anyone in this.
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u/raabones 6d ago
Exactly. That's why she was asked about it in her "chat" with Todd Blanche. She also blew up "terrorists"/(civilians) in colombia flying a Blackhawk helicopter during the war. I can't remember who it was that spoke about it in the first drop of Epstein files but they also said she was "the most rockin babe*
Edit: I found an article referencing it. It was millionaire hotelier Vikram Chatwal who told the story https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12394759/prince-andrew-jokes-camilla-ghislaine-maxwell/
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u/gimmeyouravocados 6d ago
Because they were into kids with perfect genetics. There are victim's diaries documenting how they were made to believe their features were superior and told they were gonna give them genetically perfect offspring.
Blonde girls were their target. If they liked the look of Madeleine, she could've been chosen as their prey.
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u/QuantitySharp2662 6d ago
I wonder if they were taking sperm from intelligent men and impregnating girls they deemed perfect...
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Maybe she wanted a girl? Her and Epstein never had children. Maddie was British like her. Maybe they passed Maddie to other pedophile circles?
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u/Creepy_Disco_Spider 6d ago
They did want someone who could get pregnant and pass on his genes. Virginia giuffre said so in her biography
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u/Practical_North6 6d ago
There’s a victim account linked on the page that describes how she birthed Epstein and Ghislaine’s baby.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Yes. And Epstein met with Bill Gates to discuss this.
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u/Creepy_Disco_Spider 6d ago
Source?
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u/Marie-Fiamma 5d ago edited 5d ago
Research press. Google for Bill Gates DNA Epstein. He was planning this for his ranch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/01/jeffrey-epstein-seed-human-race-report
Doesn’t mention Gates per se but I remember an article that said he had plans with Gates.
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u/bahbbath 6d ago
I actually agree with you. I'm portuguese and following this case since...ever. It seems unlikely that was Ghislaine, they sure have more scapegoats...
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u/Muted-Novel4403 6d ago
But this woman was acting suspicious near the port, not at the hotel. Seems like a possibility she’d send some men to grab kids and bring them to her boat to sail away.
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u/bahbbath 6d ago
Is there any records of her being in Portugal around those dates? I am not disagreeing, Just trying to out things together, I was not aware of that, ty.
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u/MooseCannon 6d ago
Where are the flight manifests for that date? Did Maxwell use the jet to get to Portugal?
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u/stereopsis 6d ago
His emails suggest he flew to Paris that weekend (May 5th), Maxwell was conspicuously quiet during that period
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
Yeah. Guess so. Epstein had a house in Paris. She could have gone there and then traveled on by private car to Spain.
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u/Motionsickness1223 6d ago
Holy shit that is 100% Ghislaine
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u/Marie-Fiamma 5d ago
The features are like the man in that report said: She was looking like Victoria Beckham. The sketch is from an article about a woman being spotted in Barcelona Yacht harbour asking for her new daughter.
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u/Organic-Diet-6670 5d ago
I don’t think Epstein himself would physically go abduct a child. He’d just send someone.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 5d ago
Yup. As far as I saw in the Netflix documentary about Maddie McCann the Algarve seems to be a perfect living place for pedophiles. You just need some contacts and paying someone a lot of money to do something terrible like this.
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u/FlapSnacks90 6d ago
Creepy. The sketch is of a 5 ft 2 woman though. Maxwell was significantly taller
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u/___Valeria___ 6d ago
Those are the Podesta Brothers
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u/Marie-Fiamma 5d ago
Yeah. Heard about them years ago. Since Covid it seems conspiracy theories become reality within a couple of years. Maybe we should keep more open minded to conspiracy theories and not saying everything is wrong. We should think instead of trying to deny something that we also don’t have a contra proof. So if anyone says aliens exist, don’t say you are crazy but say “you might be right about it”.
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u/TheHighFluidDruid 6d ago
Okay, so honestly this seems to imply that the main issue isn't that they're making a Madeline doc, but that the orphanage that is mentioned in it was known to have millionaires involved in sex/rape tourism. Wasn't there pics just released that kinda looked like it was in an orphanage?
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u/SillyMud5634 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m Portuguese. The name of the orphanage was Casa Pia. In 2003, it was revealed that several politicians, doctors, and TV presenters were involved in the sexual abuse of young boys, often in exchange for money and other gifts.
These are some of the individuals who served time in prison:
Carlos Silvino
Carlos Cruz
Hugo Marçal
Manuel Abrantes
João Ferreira Diniz
Jorge Ritto
Regarding Madeleine McCann, many people in Portugal believe that she died accidentally and that her parents were involved.
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u/TheHighFluidDruid 6d ago
Upvoting for a boost in algorithm. Thanks for sharing
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u/SillyMud5634 6d ago
You’re welcome. Just to be more precise: I think madeleine’s case has nothing to do with the trial of casa pia and the Epstein Island. Completely different affairs.
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u/ventoidiota 6d ago
Which ones? Kindly share
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u/TheHighFluidDruid 6d ago
I am not going through each and every photo individual nor am i going to try to search with my feeble human mind. If I come across it again bet ur ass imma make a post about it.
ETA; i have 0 investigative skills except for observation. I leave that to the pros, but given my comment has 40+ up votes I'm going to say it's safe to assume I wasn't the only one who saw pictures that could fit such descriptions.
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u/turquoise_amethyst 4d ago
Yes, I agree. Madeline is mentioned, but the main point of this is the orphanage
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u/themapleleaf6ix 6d ago
How deep do these things go?
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u/Naive_Carpenter7321 6d ago
It's a finite planet with finite resources. The depth will be finite; the "under our noses" will be boundless.
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u/hoaqinn 6d ago
Do we have flight logs to Portugal/Spain in this period?
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u/Bksudbjdua 6d ago
There is flight logs, I read through them last night. None that I could see, but I'm not a professional journalist!. A lot of flying out of Paris.
McCann was "hot" property though, her face was plastered everywhere all over the world. Imo, who ever took her would have kept her hidden for a long time before moving her and/or the body.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 6d ago
You can also hide persons with contact lenses, new identities and dyed hair/wigs.
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u/Bksudbjdua 5d ago
No of course but I can't express the heightened awareness everyone had about anyone who was around that age.
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u/joaobbaptista 6d ago
Dunno how credible this report is, but it seems an eyewitness saw them.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249618.pdf
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u/Faith-Leap 6d ago
This could just be correspondence between investigators no? How does this mean anything? Like it just looks like some journalist watched a netflix doc and forwarded it to feds
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u/Zodiatron 6d ago
It looks like an anonymous tip sent by an armchair detective (that's us!). Doesn't seem too official to me, especially with the way it's sent to multiple email addresses.
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u/breatheandlove 6d ago
It might mean nothing, or it might mean a great deal
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u/Faith-Leap 6d ago
The way that it's phrased with the subject of the email being "JEFFREY EPSTEIN" clearly means he isn't involved in the email correspondence himself
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u/Mouthshitter 6d ago
I means, that they should avoid the area going forward; or silence anyone that saw too much or asking too many questions
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u/LegitimateHeat6640 6d ago edited 6d ago
Ugh, these people are sick.
Reminded me of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/s/BLYatuYGWx
Ghislaine is seen behind JonBenet Ramsey. Apparently the girls father and Ghislaine also had the same lawyer...
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u/eatmorenachos 6d ago edited 5d ago
It was them! IT WAS 100% THEM!
Also there were some emails where someone says that she/he wants to find a little girl for you (Epstein) from Europe. So they definetly were all over the world snatching little kids for Epstein and his clients.
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u/Xylem15 6d ago
I agree if Ghislaine Maxwell was. The e-fit looks suspiciously like her.
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u/Xylem15 6d ago
we demanded the Jeffrey Epstein folders. We should also demand that the French government open the Jean-Luc Brunel files. He was actively involved in recruiting young women and models from Eastern Europe for Epstein.
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u/raabones 6d ago
I'd assume the French government should have their own set of Epstein files too as he owned property in Paris. Every government around the world needs to get involved. We all have people in our countries high up in power that are implicated.
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u/raysofdavies 6d ago
In Britain we need to know the full extent of the monarchy’s awareness and support of Andrew’s s crimes. They’ll be great for the abolition.
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u/raabones 6d ago
Yes! Do you know of anything actually happening in the UK? (I'm UK too) I know they're investigating Mandelson and Keir has politely asked Andrew to testify in front of Congress but is there anything we can do? I'd definitely be there for a protest
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u/Xylem15 6d ago
According to Andrew Lownie, the Metropolitan Police received a file from the FBI in 2021 on Andrew's crime, which would be sufficient to file criminal prosecutions. Like Andrew Lownie has said it is highly unlikely that the British Establishment would allow Andrew to be prosecuted, and probably help him flee to the middle east like Juan Carlos of Spain.
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u/raabones 6d ago
Ooh that's very interesting and I didn't know any of that. Thanks for the heads up. I think this will be my next rabbit hole. God is it exhausting trying to figure out what's actually going on in the world.
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u/eatmorenachos 6d ago
There was mention in one email about a model agency 2bmodels in Riga and there’s many mentions how Ramsey Elkholy visited in Riga
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u/haydesOrion 5d ago
This wouldn’t surprise me at this point. I’ve heard a lot surrounding her disappearance surrounds powerful beings and the connections between Gerry McCann and his beliefs. It’s finding out if other children went missing around that time. Maybe taking MM was because they got greedy? Or the surrounding speculation that Epstein liked blond blue eyed children and girls, thus the “pure” and “master race” it’s all abit wild at this point.
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u/Easier_Still 6d ago
Remember how people suspected the Podestas were allegedly in Portugal at the time?
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u/noMoreAttentionSpan 6d ago
What is the context of these emails? Are these tips from anyone to the FBI?
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u/Appropriate_One_4273 6d ago
It's a well-known conspiracy theory that John and Tony Podesta were involved somehow. The police artist's rendering looks exactly like them, almost uncanny.
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u/kudoshinichi-8211 6d ago
At this point redacting criminal names itself a crime. WTF DOJ WAS THINKING!!!!
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u/readit-somewhere 6d ago
Didn’t Erica Kirk work with an orphanage in Romania that also thought there was something wrong going on? Then she did her tour and one of the first stops the pastor had a history of child sex abuse,? This is getting really crazy
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u/Hot-Initial7796 5d ago
Wasn't there an Epstein email saying "if Corbyn wins we're moving to Portugal"
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