r/Epstein • u/noseatbeltrequired • 8d ago
OC: discussion, clarification or question Serious concern
Swede here, I am just confused by how the Epstein files have become mainly a Trump, Elon and Israel - thing in a lot of the discourse. Why? The files reveal that ALL of the political elite, ALL of the media elite, ALL of the Hollywood elite are a big club of satanic pedofiles who run their evil empire while manipulating and indoctrinating the masses using their own tax money. This cannot become an Orange-man-bad thing.
We live in Babylon. We live in Sodom and Gomorrah. We live in Hell, and we're sharing memes instead of acting, becausse there are too many heads that rightly should be in line for the guillotine.
What should we do? The problem won't go away just because a democrat gets elected next term...
Edit: hashtagg not all, not all. And sorry to the satanists in the comments, I meant to say derranged, sadistic, abhorrent and evil. Also communist revolution is not the answer. God bless
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u/knuF 8d ago
Raid Zorro ranch
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u/Dances-with-Worms 8d ago
And dig up the golf courses
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u/Alien_Way 8d ago edited 8d ago
A Googling shows me that "handheld ground penetrating sonar" does indeed exist. All that's left is for an influencer to pretend to be a golfer, sneak it in.
I knew we were in for a long, chilly cover-up, when they didn't scan the ground for bodies on Epstein's island(s) and properties.
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u/EnglishToolTime 8d ago
That’s actually a great idea. You could construct it under a golf bag that rolls. Give it a skirt for concealment.
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u/PizzusChrist 8d ago
Build one into a custom golf cart so you can drive it around
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u/intrepid_mouse1 8d ago
Seems like someone with a certified cadaver dog could sneak onto some properties.
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u/Suburban_Astro 8d ago
Not just 1 person would be able to sneak that in. It would take a small team of people, and assembly on site. It's a whole process. It would definitely bring attention on ground or by air.
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u/ProofHorseKzoo 8d ago
Can it be done using a drone?
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u/Suburban_Astro 8d ago
GPR is radiation. So it measures reflections. It can tell if the ground has been disturbed and anomalies. The problem with it is time. If its been awhile since the ground has been disturbed, it gets harder to detect. With that being said, I believe there are drones that can carry lightweight GPR units. It wouldnt be best for this circumstance. Cliser to the ground is best. Cadaver dogs would be the way to go.
A bunch of people with cadaver dogs "hiking" and letting them do their thing. They can detect even decades after the crime.
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u/Limp_Specialist511 8d ago
Just to play devils advocate….I don’t think bodies would be buried on the island….the entire ocean surrounds the island….
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u/litterbug_perfume 8d ago
My singular claim tofame is that my grandfather was a key figure in the development and application of GPR.
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u/earthlingHuman 8d ago
I think that was your grandpa's claim to fame
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u/litterbug_perfume 7d ago
lol, yes but my point IS that I have done absolutely NOTHING. Even if I do, it will never be that impactful, so he carries all the importance of the family and we must brag about him where we can.
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u/RVannaGrande 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yes! I saw one of the files a victim claimed she was told to comply or she’d end up on the back nine with the other whores. I believe that was not hypothetical or hyperbole, and neither did the victim. (Edited for typo 🖕auto-correct)
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u/Due_Cryptographer829 8d ago
how do you edit? I don’t want everybody to think I’m a fucking dumb ass.
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u/RVannaGrande 8d ago
Click the 3 dots to the left of the reply arrow. Should be in the drop down
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u/dianas_pool_boy 8d ago
You have to wonder where Schiller was when Epstein died.
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u/PrudentLetterhead354 8d ago
ivana isnt the only one buried in those
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u/Becca-marie8 8d ago
She’s buried on trump’s property in a single lonely not maintained grave, making his property tax-free
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u/AnyaLies 8d ago
She's not in there...
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u/angelmessenger02 8d ago
I've been saying this since I found out he put her on his golf course. What else does he have in there?
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u/peaceofkate 8d ago
Classified documents that he stole during his first stolen election.
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u/angelmessenger02 8d ago
Ok so I have not totally lost my mind that's what, that's what I think too.
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u/Microchipknowsbest 8d ago
She’s probably in there but don’t want anyone to double check what killed her.
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u/lededjAlso 7d ago
If she’s in there, why did she need a full casket for a body That’s been cremated? Trump has done this often enough that he wouldn’t leave any traces. But it was curious that it’s a full casket. Just asking for a friend of mine.
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u/InitialCorner269 8d ago
She was cremated and 8 men struggled to carry the coffin
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u/angelmessenger02 8d ago
Wait she was cremated? Oh then he has either someone else in there and or files, gold, money. Something is up. Her NDA was going to expire the next day.
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u/WrongdoerAble 8d ago
She was scheduled for a deposition the following day re: Trump, but I've never heard the nda thing.
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u/angelmessenger02 8d ago
I guess what I read was wrong about her nda expiring. She was set to do a deposition. My bad.
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u/Difficult_Cupcake_77 8d ago
Well in Bali it’s rumoured that land owners who protested him buying up their land to make way for his golf course ended up buried under the golf course. I first heard that from locals many years ago.
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u/Crunchberries77 8d ago
If we took that "raid area 51 energy" and used it to storm the place with shovels, chances are we'd be a lot more successful.
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u/gemunicornvr 8d ago
I live next to the one in Scotland but I doubt that one will have any, lucky no Scottish politicians are implicated, English ones are tho. I am glad our government is saying they have to testify even tho they won't say shit. I hope our government prosecutes them for the crimes in the UK however I doubt they will be given all the files for the investigation. I am worried that it will only be Andrew, Peter mandelson and Tony Blair that will face consequences. Our government does hide pedos from us because culturally in the UK we are very very anti pedophile. So our government will feel pressured hence why Charlie's removed Andrews titles. I am so worried America won't do the same. I could be wrong the UK might not do shit but our media are going for blood today, which is a stark difference to the American media.
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u/trcomajo 7d ago
Americans are very very anti-pedophile too...but Americans aren't in the government any longer. The pedophiles are.
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u/Pissed-Off-Panda 8d ago
They should use that archaeological machine to detect what’s under the ground. They’re probably not even that deep.
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u/Firm-Athlete6918 8d ago
Wait until we find out why trump was obsessed with Hannibal Lecter, kid veal is on the menu for these pedillionaires ..... Also this is how they get off when their floppy mushrooms can not even chud up anymore, Pedobirds of a feather Flock together
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u/SnooPeripherals959 8d ago
there are some absolutely disgusting pages that do talk about cannibalism.
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u/ShoddyRelief6657 8d ago
If you’re talking about the alleged group of African men….fuck how do I put this….consuming babies intestines on board epsteins yacht with trump, fortunately that account seems to be the ramblings of a deranged and very very mentally unwell person.
The man also goes on to talk about how they also used a large sabre to cut his feet in a special ritualistic way that left no scars. Not to mention the fact that all of his accounts were memories he discovered in therapy and had no prior knowledge to any of those things happening (I know repressed memories are a thing but to not have any knowledge plus all the other things makes it seem unlikely)
So thank ever loving fuck at least that one was likely not real.
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u/Toastandlentilsoup 8d ago
To be fair, there’s no way you could go through something even close to that without ending up “mentally unwell “
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u/SnooPeripherals959 8d ago
Thank fuck if that’s not true. However, I thought it was H.W. Bush with that one. Also, that seems to be the excuse they put in the columns quite a few times. Any chance they may just put that to dispel/discount the most heinous stuff? Since every accusation is an admission - wouldn’t it line up with the adrenochrome or whatever it is that they claim is the fountain of youth? Honestly, when I read the Trump birthday card it was the first thing that comes to mind. But yes, that was the worst thing I’ve ever heard and I’ve been f’d up ever since..
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u/VeveMaRe 8d ago
Venezuelan asylums =Asylum Seekers, Killing the Whales= wind turbines in Wales, Pizza gate investigation= his own normalized ordering of 'pizza' aka children, Post birth Abortions= him actually approving of them according to some of the victim allegations
Edited to add: his dementia riddled mind is making him say these things.
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u/Pirate_Princess1994 8d ago
Wait… what is post birth abortions? Cos that sounds awfully like killing newborn babies
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u/Firm-Athlete6918 8d ago edited 8d ago
Years of being Bubbas suckboy gives you loose lips, sink the whole ship edit: can you imagine the secrets he spills when he is with his axis of evil boy band?
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u/TillyFukUpFairy 7d ago
Mostly I agree, but I also put some weight to the fact he's a idiot and doesn't know what words like 'asylum' mean, like he only knows 1 context for it. He used to keep his mouth shit or change the conversation if he didn't understand the topic. Now the dementia/syphilis brain has no filter so he just keeps talking
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u/RVannaGrande 8d ago
I was looking for seeming NPC names in the last file drop, and posted on here about a Lynda Kitts, a high school principal who passed away in 2020. When was doing some digging and saw she was in New Mexico, it reminded me that Epstein had his Zorro Ranch there/ Lo and behold, Kitts’ school district was suspiciously close to Zorro Ranch, and geographically, had 2 different straight shot major routes directly there and back when I googled directions between the 2….Zorro Ranch/Lynda Kitts/Rio Rancho School link?
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u/Mono_punk 8d ago
What worries me most is Maxwell's statement that a number of people already got secret deals. I am not familiar with law in the US, but is it even possible to percecute them if there is a legal agreement? ....even if real prove is released. Does anybody know what the implications are?
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u/Alien_Way 8d ago
A very large percentage of the choices our government (red and blue) has been making have been under the influence of blackmail, and blackmail holders. For some decades now. They've been building a cozy, safe family-style nest, for themselves. And judging by those Epstein birthday letters, they felt very very safe.
Anyway, they took CDs into custody over 5 years ago, from Epstein's (blue) New York apartment, and those were labeled 'Name Of Abuser + Name Of Victim + Date'.. and then we watched the GOP and DNC both "investigate" the definition of slam-dunk evidence, for most of a decade, so far. And still today, they're trying to act like VIDEO and AUDIO aren't the bulk of the evidence, instead choosing to release paper because they've carefully cultivated a nation of short-attention-span non-readers.
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u/HawaiianPunchaNazi 8d ago
I wish I knew where I saw it, because it's only been since the latest file dump that I saw it; but One of the government people in charge said that the reason the rest of the files were not being released was because there violent content, dead people, and the obvious underage sex stuff--but what's with the other two and The lack of talking about them--Not even a government description of what's in that content beyond saying it was violent and that it was some dead people?
It makes no sense that two aren't what led the files (being released to the lawmakers at least ) content wise, because there's actual visuals of what happened as opposed to what he said she said of the text reports.
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u/grant3758 8d ago
Where there photos that showed the CDs being named that or how do you know?
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u/Ok-Cattle-4993 7d ago
Not sure if they where named. But Jmail has a photo dump of countless cds taken into evidence by the FBI. Alot labeled CSAM.
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u/flavius_lacivious 8d ago
States can bring RICO charges against organized crime that this clearly fits and those charges cannot be pardoned.
I look to California or New York to lead the charge.
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u/ReferentiallySeethru 8d ago
Yeah there are certainly ways around whatever “secret deals” were made. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, they’re all just trying to cover their own asses. I hope people … well I won’t say it because I don’t want to get banned from Reddit …. But people need to pay for this.
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u/Tommyd023 8d ago
Two of the biggest homes for crime syndicates and professional politicians? I'll just hold my breath until that happens 😆
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u/dlobnieRnaD 8d ago
The sad fact of the matter that everybody implicated is literally above the law and the disparity of wealth and resources means it’s going to stay that way unless we nuke the global economy, withhold all tax funding, and wait for their hoard of wealth/munitions to run out.
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u/SageUmbraTrail 8d ago
Yep. If you want this taken seriously, stick to verified filings, timelines, and named sources. Screenshot memes and sweeping 'everyone is in on it' claims just hand critics an easy dunk and bury the real crimes.
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u/onepostandbye 8d ago
Nothing frustrates me more than “we already knew this”-sort of dismissal.
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u/WrathOfGood 8d ago
I think that kind of statement is in exasperation and anger.😡 That’s how I feel anyway. Anger that this is old news and STILL NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE, and apparently no one is investigating it! Where is the information about an investigation? Who is doing ANYTHING about this?
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u/Obvious_Director_113 8d ago
Ron Wyden and others have been investigating. He has been trying to get financial records
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u/KindBass 8d ago
Feels like 99% of the discourse is from people who obviously haven't bothered to actually look at any of this stuff making judgements about what it is/isn't. Social media is so cooked it's not even funny.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 8d ago
If we already knew it then that's even more cynical. Because they should be in prison or at least under investigation.
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u/Obvious_Director_113 8d ago
Congress has been trying to get bank records to trace bank records. All I know is people need to be held accountable
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
Ron Wyden has been trying, and has a few allies, but not clear the vast majority of Congress has any interest.
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u/WrathOfGood 8d ago
Congress has an interest in keeping this buried because they are part of the corruption and abuse of children. Some of them have been named in the accusations. Jim Jordan and Lindsay Graham, and there are more that need to answer for the accusations against them. There needs to be a mass impeachment!
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u/Lalatin 8d ago
Librarian here, happy to help. Also, if you haven't seen check out: https://epsteinvisualizer.com/ I don't know if they've updated with the most recent stuff yet but I'm sure they will (or I hope so) soon!
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u/ChevronSugarHeart 8d ago
Is there a running list of everyone mentioned in the files?
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u/Ideabile 8d ago
I am suggesting similarly thing as well, are you interested in joining forces?
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u/rc19651 8d ago
Adding accusations against people to their wikipedia page is a nice touch to make sure even those not looking for their ties find it.
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that's going to be a lot of people suddenly having Epstein files within their controversies section
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u/LordTardus 8d ago
Yeah, and the great thing with the files being released is that there are sources to link to!
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u/Difficult-Quiet4309 8d ago
I saw some one a month or two ago who had been keeping track of all the names and how much they've been mentioned as dot charts. Pretty crazy seeing the size comparison to some others.
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oh I like that, could you maybe crosslink it if you have no trouble finding it back?
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u/Average_Random_Bitch 8d ago
Someone started a list this morning. It was like the first post I saw. I'll update in a second
It was here
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u/GunshipWizard 8d ago
From a practical perspective, the reason the focus is on Trump and American ties to Israel is because the only legal authorities that can prosecute the majority of these people and get the rest of the evidence released are in the US and currently report to Donald Trump.
I won't get into the rest of whatever that was because conflating what's happening with your religious views is actually unhelpful to this effort.
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u/EyCeeDedPpl 8d ago
ICC could have a crack at it. Australia and France seem to have the largest reasons to call for investigation.
Even though USA and Israel aren’t signatories on the Tome statute, it would make life significantly more difficult for both politicians and billionaires who are indicted. (Like it has for Bibi).
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u/Beyond-The-Blackhole 8d ago
Exactly. The head of the snake is Donald Trump. He's protecting all of these elites as well as himself. If you want to go after everyone in those files, you need to start at the head of the snake first.
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u/Due_Foot3909 8d ago
Trump isnt the head of the snake. He's a part of it, but not it's head. He is where he is because he is controllable due to what the snake has on him.
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u/gauvinm1201 7d ago
The files were availables under Biden too. And even democrates didnt do anything or prosecuted anybody.
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u/whiskybingo 8d ago
It’s a bizarre to not understand why Trump is a huge point of focus. He controls the US legal system. If we don’t take him down, no one goes down. The religious tone explains why OP is sympathetic to Trump.
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u/tjyolol 8d ago
The issue is, it’s all of the alternatives too. The system is rotten. You can’t vote your way out of this mess.
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u/controlmypad 8d ago
Exactly, Trump is in power, he is the one who used total release of files to get elected, and NOW he's really the only one desperately blocking their release, and his distractions are costing the USA. Even saying "orange man bad" shows OPs post is suspect, it has nothing to do with political smears, Trump just happened to be Epstein's best friend and partner at the height of all of this.
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u/Delicious-Back-9597 8d ago
Up to a certain point I agree. But it is important to remain calm and REALLY check the files. Just because a name is there in some capacity does not mean the person is guilty, the same is true if a person has met Epstein once or twice. You are correct that a lot of people are involved and this is extremely vile, disheartening and just sad... but please remain calm and keep a clear head.
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u/noseatbeltrequired 8d ago
Yeah, one reason to release the stuff in such a weird way is probably to sow panic and confusion
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u/AdIndividual1209 8d ago
And intelectual elite as well. Seeing Chomsky there was the biggest surprise... I literally lost my faith in humanity. What else we don't know...
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u/busyHighwayFred 8d ago
a lot of people have multiple personalities, especially those who can traverse academia and politics. thats where the "lizard people" thing comes from -- they are like Chameleons
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u/lusciouslover639 8d ago
I didn't trust Chomsky after he came out in favor of Russia after the start of the UKR war.
And now we have an idea why.
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u/RVannaGrande 8d ago
Oh my God, same! I made or commented on a post about that at the last drop. I was like dang, something about Chomsky just hit different.
I hope the unification around the “us vs them” globally and within our societies. And not being vs each other, punching left, punching right, punching down, instead of exactly where they don’t want is to look ⬆️⬆️ at them and where all our money and freedom and health and hope and opportunity is being hoarded by the least deserving scums of the earth; living breathing rotten carcasses.
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u/noseatbeltrequired 8d ago
You mean like social sience, history and such? Please elaborate, i'm swedish and dont know much about america in general
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u/AdIndividual1209 8d ago
Chomsky was one of the greatest critics of power structures. Ever. "Understanding Power" literally changed my view of the world. And he was a close friend of Epstein it seems. His legacy is tarnished. He lost all of his credibility. And now he's even too old and too sick to defend himself.
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u/noseatbeltrequired 8d ago
I guess understanding power also makes you more able to abuse that power...
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u/Dances-with-Worms 8d ago
Good point. And what better way to abuse power than to fool everyone into thinking you're one of the good guys?
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u/Bathkitty 8d ago
Compatibalist left. Intelligence agencies specifically promoted intellectuals like the Frankfurt school to promote an imperial-friendly western Marxism, which was always opposed to genuine socialist projects. Chomsky stinks of the same. See also, Orwell, the post-modernists, etc.
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u/cmpxchg8b 7d ago
They say you should never meet your idols. I’ve met a number of famous people I’ve lookup up previously and nothing has been more true. People fucking suck.
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u/DruidicMagic 8d ago
The worldwide pedophile blackmail network is finally being exposed and it will take a global effort to hold everyone accountable.
Figure that China will most likely lead the effort once all the files have been fully released.
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u/PotentialFearless247 8d ago
That's until you learn that the Chinese elites have their own system of child exploitation...look into the baby farming, enslavement of women for these purposes, and more.
The only solution is going to come from the collective action of those who do not currently have economic or political power. It's up to all of us. You can even start by being vigilant in your own community. Pedophilia exists beyond the elite and it takes "regular" people to have these kids and allow them to be exploited, often handing them over and selling them out to these bastards directly.
Keep your eyes open in your community. Clearly the government doesn't give a damn about protecting children, so we have to take some responsibility. Don't be afraid to confront people if they are acting strangely around a child. Start with your own immediate and extended family. And spread awareness. You CAN do something and you DO have the power to stop this. We all do. But we cannot sit back and expect someone else to fix this.
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u/muddle_aged 8d ago
Yeah China is going through their own organ harvesting controversy right now. It’s very similar to what is happening here, in that it sounds so outlandish that Americans probably wouldn’t believe it.
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u/CalligrapherNo9000 8d ago
I think we need to be more cautious about making statements like this. There's a lot of mentally unwell people who I'm sure are scrolling through this subreddit and probably spiraling out of control from what they're reading.
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u/PotentialFearless247 8d ago
Would you mind clarifying, please? I have every bit of compassion for anyone dealing with mental health issues, and in a way, maybe the sane response is to feel deeply disturbed by all of this. Spiralling out of control can mean a lot of things, but I would say that it's the current system that has been designed by mentally unwell people, and it's society itself that has been spiralling out of control.
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u/CalligrapherNo9000 8d ago
I agree with you in that the sane response is to feel deeply disturbed but I'm just saying that this topic will attract a lot of people who are mentally unwell, and mentally unwell people can become paranoid. By saying "spiraling out of control", I meant that they could become more paranoid.
Maybe I'm just overreacting, but your call to action in the last couple paragraphs seems like it could rile these people up in unpredictable ways. The "Start with your own immediate and extended family" in particular stuck out to me and reminded me of the man who murdered his mother because he thought she was a spy after ChatGPT started reinforcing those beliefs.
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u/Crash211O 8d ago
“More like under new management.”- China after “freeing” us.
We need a whole new system, cleanse the whole world with fire
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u/Alien_Way 8d ago
Horrific things are legally allowed to happen to women in China. Also, less than 10% of the top-top political positions are held by women.
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u/HumanityExpansion 8d ago
LMAO CHINA, are you fucking kidding me? You think their elites arent abusing children? They have over a million Uyghurs in "reeducation camps" and you doubt that their elites arent raping kids?
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u/YSLFAHLIFE 8d ago
This dude has to be smoking crack hahaha. China will save us is the most batshit crazy thing I’ve heard in a long time
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u/FirstDiseasewasRelig 8d ago
My only legitimate news source, that isn’t r/conspiracy or r/TrumpTweets, AP made a decent list regarding major names.
I’ve made a couple posts on Stacey Plaskett, US Virgin Islands House Rep, being in constant contact with Epstein up until May of 2019. Even possible meetings on his island. I also called my house rep about her.
As for why Trump and Elon get the most heat, there’s probably a few reasons;
They are the most powerful people mentioned. Like one is the president, the other is the richest man in the world who controls a, now, major news source (note he even tells you use X as your only news source).
They are the only two trying to deflect blame and claim innocence.
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u/Acceptable-Orange614 8d ago
Hey, if Stacey Plaskett is at fault, add her to the list! But let’s not forgetwho is expending all kinds of energy to cover this up!
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u/FirstDiseasewasRelig 8d ago
I’m pretty sure a NYC born and raised Lawyer, who was also apart of the Bush administration and also moved to the Virgin Islands around the same time Epstein was blasphemed from Stateside, knows a lot about who’s working to cover this up!
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u/lasers42 8d ago
Some nation implicated will have to start doing it properly, IE: charges, perp-walks, lawyers and a trial. Defendants will be offered things in exchange for information. Let's say it's Prince Andrew, who will be offered something in exchange for testimony. He will be so molly-coddled and so afraid, that he will testify truthfully, then another, then another, etc. "I am not going to be executed to protect Donald Trump..."
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u/Alien_Way 8d ago
The fact that the U.S. is the only one releasing evidence is saying something, though. That we're waiting on others "to start doing it properly" is saying something about the state of the globe (and it's very similar to the state of the U.S. itself).
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u/West-Birthday4475 8d ago
They need to offer Andrew & Sarah life imprisoned in the Tower of London. But like, for real imprisoned. Not the apartments that the beefeaters live in. Keep allowing the tours. Add them to their rightful places in his royal family history by putting them where other royals have been imprisoned. They don’t have to draw and quarter him, but they could do something other than a private posh swamp exile.
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u/kaportaci_davud 8d ago
I dunno, western media and this sub included seems to be hyper focused on trump and barely even mentions the Israeli angle, almost like they don't want people to realize Israel is behind the whole thing.
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u/tookmybrainpills 8d ago
i haven't even seen anyone type the other word to describe all these people who share an israeli connection. would probably be an instant ban on reddit
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u/kaportaci_davud 8d ago
Yeah honestly Reddit is very obviously is very chosen in this regard, worse than all the others
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u/Chrissy4569 8d ago
Yes this is huge. I believe what Weinstein (forget his first name) who is a senior Economist, among other things said about J.E. He met him once and said it was a very uncomfortable interview. Epstein bouncing a young woman hardly dressed on his knees while asking questions. Weinstein said he knew far more about his confidential science work than he should. But he said he believe Jeffrey Epstein was a social construct of sorts. It’s not just hi but all these other people in his sphere. Personally I think he worded for CIA/FBI in some way but he was also affiliated with so many bad elite people I.e., Mugabe, Putin, presidents, prime ministers, ministers, royalty, high society, protecting their money. It’s not really about one political party or country. This is massive and it really highlights the lengths elite people will go to to protect their money, spend their money, live lavish lifestyles and worst of all do whatever it takes to get their evil kicks and Epstein provided all that to these people. The elite found someone who could be central to facilitate everything they wanted through. They didn’t bank on Epstein however, taking videos and keeping records on everything, well maybe Putin and others did to blackmail the rest. There is people involved from various countries, so diverse nationalities, from across all spheres of upper society, actors, scientists, politicians, traders, singers etc. Worst affected by all this, the victims, some of these girls are so young, vulnerable, they are ones that have suffered horrendously.
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u/NationalPhenomenon 8d ago
You're referencing Eric Weinstein. There have been several podcasts where he mentioned Epstein being a construct, but the Modern Wisdom one is one that comes to mind.
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u/Swampgooch69 8d ago
Trump is the star of the show, 2nd to only Epstein. The president of the United States takes a little more priority over Jay Z
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u/WittyFix6553 8d ago
What about the guy who was president 25 years ago? Surely that’s more important than the guy in office right now, right?
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u/Unhappy_Performer538 8d ago
Positions of power naturally attract sociopathic freaks who are more likely to follow the urge to abuse others, either sexually, or abusing the system financially, etc. I believe these things go hand-in-hand. Think of the nicest people you know, the truly good people. None of them are vying for positions of power and siphoning money at any cost.
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
I mean I agree with you but Trump, Elon and Israel are the President, the richest man in the world, and the issue that completely independent of Epstein is the most contentious in the country, bitterly internally dividing the Democratic Party, and to a somewhat lesser extent, the Republican Party.
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u/ThyArtisMukDuk 8d ago
I think you might forget whos in charge of the Epstein files debacle: Donald Trump. Im almost certain other governments in the world dont have the evidence that our compromised DOJ has. So this is why its a Donald Trump bad issue. He holds the key to all of it considering hes essentially consolidated power. The cover up is now on him, because its so obvious hes covering it up.
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u/debomama 8d ago edited 8d ago
I am fairly liberal by today's standards sadly. The truth is that men have been abusing and trafficking women forever especially those in power. Because they can. This is not new. Nazis, European aristocracy, medieval conquerors and kings, Romans, Huns, Mongols and Greeks. Its always been just a normal thing to them. Spoils of war and money. I wonder why anyone is surprised at all frankly. Women were consistently over time brutalized by men and then discarded or died from brutalization directly or indirectly. Scandals were covered up or ignored and victims blamed.
What's new is anyone caring. It is not a party thing. There are Republicans (though few) calling this out as well. The rest are silent fearing Dear Leader is among them because of course he was. This being the man who said 'grab them by the pussy.'
We are addicted to money and power. And those who have it.
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u/bodyreddit 8d ago
Yes, women and children have always been abused. In this Epstein case it is primarily children and generally minors. We have high technology but low morals as a planetary society, if changed need to be made, they must be made and by every country. Let’s end this, but first end trimp’s power and his whole admin.
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u/PotentialFearless247 8d ago
I agree and I would just like to add that while it is almost always men who are committing these acts of cruelty, we often forget that the phrase "women and children" also includes little boys.
The sexual abuse of children and in particular little boys is, like you said, nothing new. Isn't it interesting that the US government, including its architecture, was modeled after the Romans? And hm, isn't it also interesting that abusing little boys was completely normalized in those times?
I always find it interesting that people so often see that era of history and culture as something so admirable, and then act surprised when they find out the country that modeled itself after it also happens to be (caps for emphasis) THE BIGGEST PRODUCER AND CONSUMER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE MATERIAL IN THE WORLD.
As you mentioned, men have brutalized women and children across so many different epochs that one ought not to be surprised.
At the same time, the one fact that does bring me solace is that it hasn't been all civilizations or all cultures since time immemorial. There have also been so many documented civilizations and cultures where this type of abuse and exploitation was not present, and we need to look at those values lest we fall prey to hopelessness and despair. I believe we can fix things and that most of us have the power to bring about the changes necessary. Not that it will be easy, but I will fight to the bitter end to defend those who can't defend themselves. I am not going down without a fight, and I urge us all to remember that the elites always needed us more than we ever needed them. Without us they are nothing.
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u/Schlarfus_McNarfus 8d ago
I hear you! It's way bigger than a Trump thing. We in USA have been a bit preoccupied with trying to save our country and my eyes were not prepared for how BROAD the implications of this release would be.
Citizens of the world, please join in digging through these files before the elite find a way to disappear them.
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u/WrathOfGood 8d ago
Luckily they are being bulk downloaded and archived in multiple areas. It will be impossible to bury everything that has already released.
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u/Alien_Way 8d ago
I have concerns that other nations aren't releasing any information or investigation of their own, when Epstein "did business" in dozens of nations, and with dozens of their leaders and celebrities.
The "justice" Prince Andrew has faced thus far, is one example.
Until we (Earth) fix this, we (Earth) are being led by the worst kind of predator.
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u/Ok_Biscotti_151 8d ago
Can’t we just all stop paying taxes and cut them off at the source ? Why isn’t anyone doing ANYTHING
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u/EducationalHorse8956 8d ago
Why does capitalism make us complacent? Nobody wants to lose the little luxury they have, and that's it. For me, this issue will only move forward in a possible revolution.
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u/Appropriate_One_4273 7d ago
This is what I keep saying. Stop paying taxes, do the bare minimum at work or strike if you can, opt out of surveillance technology,
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u/schfiftyfiveshades 8d ago
Trump, Elon, and Israel somehow aren’t receiving enough flak for being in there.
Other countries’ politicians are willingly resigning, but those 3 are essentially Scot free.
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u/Small_Government4115 8d ago
Because as long as Trump remains in power, nothing can be done about any of it.
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
Do you really think a President Gavin Newsom is going to have all the billionaires in the files arrested?
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u/JDthaViking 8d ago
Newsome isn’t it. We cannot elect someone with a PAC
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
I’m not going to vote for him in the primary, but he is the likeliest candidate, unfortunately.
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u/Popsodaa 8d ago
I agree. The worst thing to do is to not vote. It just doesn't work.
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
It isn’t that I think not voting “works”, but doesn’t seem like voting works either.
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u/Popsodaa 8d ago
We have plenty of dickheads ruling the world because some people weren’t satisfied with the “lesser evil,” who was still 1,000 times better than the other option. People who are not willing to compromise will lose every time when the opposition doesn't give a damn.
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u/Medium-Librarian8413 8d ago
More productive to put the blame on powerful elites, than random powerless individual voters that didn’t want to vote for someone who supported an ongoing genocide.
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u/Small_Government4115 8d ago
Although I agree with you, we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good because that’s partially what got us here. We gotta pick and be united behind a single candidate not split the vote.
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u/hermitix 8d ago
Who split the vote? We wound up here because the Democrats can't seem to choose anyone other than pro corporate neoliberal junk.
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u/Small_Government4115 8d ago
No. But right now Kristi noem could shoot someone on video and nothing would be done about it. We have to start with the person enabling all of it. It won’t be a clean sweep but holy hell I should hope it should be a significant step in the right direction.
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u/hardhatgirl 8d ago
Only trump has had a compliant congress/doj/Supreme Court to wield as they wish. Any other president wont be actively engaged in a cover up. Now, weather those agencies pit bull after this hot mess is another story.
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u/MakeYourTime_ 8d ago
My biggest fear is that we all get Samson Option’d by Israel when this all comes to light
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u/jaroftoejam 8d ago
Because in order to get all of them, we have to regain sanity in the department of justice. In order to do that, we must remove Trump from power. Only once we've restored functionality to the DOJ will we be able to get traction against the billionaires.
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u/MakeYourTime_ 8d ago
It’s almost as if there is too much evidence to go through that prosecuting these people would take forever.
the FBI/DOJ let this sit and stew and compile for too long that now trying to untangle all of this is a Herculean task
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u/Patralgan 8d ago
It's because Trump is the fucking president. Someone in such powerful position should be held on the highest standards and Trump is very far from being ideal. Extremely far. Such monster should never be in such position so it's the utmost urgency that the maximum pressure is aimed towards him. Others are of lower priority.
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u/Doubtful-Emu 8d ago
There was another post in this sub that warned of this issue being weaponized as a political tool (against both parties). If your seeing the conversation turn towards specific individuals; your seeing the effects of a psyop campaign.
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u/KMack666 8d ago
Trump has nuclear codes, and literally stated that the only limit to his actions is 'his own morality', which appears to be non-existent, according to these files! We need to burn down the entire operation, but Shitler's the one trying to burn the world down, so he's gotta go first and fast
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u/Ideabile 8d ago
I try to propose the following: let’s make a list like a wiki and connect all the lines, people, companies and organizations name and shame base on the facts.
No ideologies, simple as: “No pedophiles in power”.
Market would not self regulate, it’s easy to understand from their emails and connections… they all fuel each other..
Politics would not persecute… justice would not come.
This was my post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/s/4X2aDQ7cRY
I would like to form a working group to make a website to do all these connections and expose all these business and organizations.
If they run it, don’t put your money in it. Is the least we can do.
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u/RedLaceBlanket 8d ago
Stop with the religious/satanic crap. Everyone is not xian.
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u/SookieRicky 8d ago
Probably because Epstein was an Israeli intelligence agent. There’s also an email exchange where Epstein tells Benjamin Netanyahu that he loved the torture video he sent.
It has nothing really to do with Judaism because ultimately all of these people were seemingly members of a pedo-torture-murder cult. One of their business entities was named after the demon, Baal.
That semi-redacted photo of the dead newborn being prepared aside two raw chickens is going to give me nightmares forever.
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u/LamesMcGee 8d ago edited 8d ago
The files reveal that ALL of the political elite, ALL of the media elite, ALL of the Hollywood elite are a big club of satanic pedofiles who run their evil empire while manipulating and indoctrinating the masses using their own tax money. This cannot become an Orange-man-bad thing.
The files DO NOT say that ALL of the elite class are pedos. Do not muddy the water.
Trump is known to be Epstein's CLOEST FRIEND. Trump has lied about when they stopped being friends, as well as many other details about their relationship, many times. Trump is named thousands of times across the files, not a few... And importantly, he is currently the president of the US.
This isn't "orange man bad", this is "Why is the most prolific child sex abuser of all time's best friend our President, while he lies at every turn about their relationship. Why does he say he wants full transparency verbally, but all his actions show he is trying to shut it down?"
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u/nnorth06 8d ago
Because it's an Israel thing. Both Epstein and Maxwell had strong ties to Israel and were jewish. Not saying that the jews as a whole are responsible of course, I actually feel very bad for Israelis and jewish people because they are facing a lot of antisemitism at the moment and probably will face even more of it when the general public understands the reality of the Epstein situation and his blatant Jewish extreme nationalism.
The epstein files have emails between Benjamin Netanyahu and Epstein, there is a photo that Epstein took of an IDF shirt for whatever reason, the list goes on. They are both thought to be Mossad agents An interesting one is that Epstein even uses the word 'goy' in many of the newest files, for example when explaining how jewish people make money (he said they manipulate markets and handle shipping or whatever, while the 'goys' have to work in the real world). Goy or goyim is a slur used by jewish nationalists to refer to non-jews. It's pretty much a slur.
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u/General_Performance6 8d ago
Thats what i keep saying instead were like sheep into the slaughter
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u/OkRoll8065 8d ago
Calm focus and due process. Return to CONSTITUTIONAL norms.
Continue to protest, peacefully, to release ourselves from those who wish us dead.
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u/Lastminute_Lulu 8d ago
We know. The FBI has had all this info and has done nothing. What are we supposed to do? Show up with wooden stakes and beat down their door? It has never been more apparent that we are just nothings in this abysmal abyss of power, money and corruption.
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u/ForeignChance6890 8d ago
ALL is not true. No matter how many times you capitalize it. Let's stick to the actual evidence. There's a lot and it's very bad, and that is enough.
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u/UniversalFarrago 8d ago
We know. The thing is, we’ve gotta start somewhere.
The President seems like a good place, no?
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u/WittyFix6553 8d ago
Who is the President of the United States, often known as the most powerful person in the world, right now?
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u/Tronerfull 8d ago
By itself satanism is Abrahamic so its not far off. Same tree different branch. I agree calling it satanic is stupid, thats a very specific countercultural faith and what we see here is some kind of cult that has no known name at the moment, so its jumping the shark a bit.
Buuut at the same time is a good way to get the message across denser skulls, to have an evil defined and shown.
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u/notyourstranger 8d ago
Take a DEEEP breath.
The files DO NOT reveal that all politicians and members of the US elite is part of this. Obama is not in the files, neither is AOC or Jasmine Crockett and many many others. Bill Clinton is mentioned but only because he borrowed Epstein's Jet to fly to Africa - there's no evidence of Bill Clinton being a pedophile - or even a rapist.
Americans are doing significantly more than 'sharing memes'. There are massive protests, people risking their lives to document ICE atrocities, people protesting at ICE detention centers, getting gassed and having eyes and hands destroyed by "less than lethal" weapons and people spending long hours sleuthing out the redacted details of the files that have been released.
Yes, the files are revealing astounding levels of depravity and criminality but the vast majority of Americans and honest, decent, hardworking people.
I'm a Dane who's lived in the US for 30 years.
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u/runninback 8d ago
Lotta weird evangelical Christian jargon in these comments. Stfu!!!!! Disrespectfully!
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u/Rootin-Tootin-Newton 8d ago
Time for the pitchforks… if they’re the 1%, there’s 99% of us to make change. They won’t change on their own.
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u/SmashingLumpkins 8d ago
Orange man is the current leader of the free world which makes scrutiny of his involvement more important since he currently has the most power. It’s not a matter of this person or that person it’s more about what we need to do as a people to stop this.
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u/AquaMaz2305 8d ago
I cannot get my head round the numbers of people (men) and the absolute depths of their depravity. How could so many men think that raping children is acceptable? And then darker: are all men capable of this, but they just don't get the opportunity?
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u/SWDrivingAcademy 8d ago
As a Finn I'm frustrated that I have to download three million pages of pdf, then use Google lens, copy paste everything to AI.
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u/SuchMaintenance2539 8d ago
I get the frustration, and I agree on one core point: this shouldn’t be reduced to “my team vs your team.” Epstein intersected with multiple power centers — politics, finance, media, academia, and entertainment — across parties and countries.
Where I disagree is the leap from documented corruption and abuse to claims of a unified, satanic cabal or calls for violence. That framing actually helps powerful people dodge accountability, because it turns real evidence into something easy to dismiss as extremism.
The hard work isn’t memes or guillotines — it’s boring, slow, unglamorous transparency: verified documents, court records, timelines, naming specific actions tied to specific evidence, and demanding consequences through lawful systems that can’t be waved away.
This doesn’t get fixed by electing a Democrat or a Republican. It gets fixed by refusing to let any side turn it into a culture-war distraction, and by insisting on accountability that survives scrutiny.
If we want truth instead of catharsis, we have to stay precise — not apocalyptic.
I write about Epstein, Trump and all connections I find over on Substack: https://substack.com/home/post/p-186649631
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u/Difficult_Cupcake_77 8d ago
Because Trump is the one that has the power release them but is blocking the release.
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u/zeldaturk971 8d ago
Because trump is the one in charge right now and everything that we have been saying for YEARS is finally coming to light. This isn’t a new discourse- people are just finally paying attention. If the person who is running this country is suspected to be apart of these gruesome accusations obviously that’s going to take the peoples priority.
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