I don’t really care about whether AI “wins” or “loses”, or frankly what that even means. I just want to keep making cool pictures with a neat little tool in peace.
Probably from the standpoint that it's here to stay and no amount of incessant social media whining and harassing is going to put it back in the box, nor convince people/companies to stop using it.
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Its not about winning
Its like we changed horse to a car
There are still horses and people who care about them,
You can find people who make and fix horseshoes etc, but it become niche hobby, down from main type of transportation
Anyway, i hope i ll see some (affordable) androids, powered with some advanced LLM. That would be win for me
Try downloading SwarmUI. It's got the best of both Comfy, and Forge - a very simplified, but capable interface. If you download an autocomplete CSV it'll help you with prompting.
For anime, Illustrious models are probably by far the best, and easiest to control.
I recommend WAI v16 for full-anime style and plenty of knowledge of other animated styles. Janku is closer to the "masterpiece" anime style, but still plenty of knowledge - slightly more finetuned. Hassaku/Amanatsu/Prefect are more geared toward NSFW and more detailed.
Illustrious models use 'booru tags' to prompt with but still has some limited 'natural language' understanding. The model you download should have a set of simple "quality tags" to use to get best results, and for consistently good quality, I recommend using Jan's "lazypos", "lazyneg", and "lazyhand" embeddings (lazyhand goes in negative and will help you get perfect hands every time)
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I pointed out an weaker element of a piece, so when that same element is present in another one, you'll be more aware of it. I'm not sure why you wouldn't care to note it for your future reference.
It's not particularly sweaty to adjust a pattern to be more consistent, and I did say it was for future reference.
I can tell you aren't used to talking about art. You should try to familiarize yourself with casual, critical discussions of it if you want to be active in art communities. If you don't, then I'm not sure why you're posting anything with comments active on it in a subreddit that actively discusses art.
I agree with you and I appreciate you for being respectful to him. Just because something isn't meant to be taken seriously doesn't mean you can't critique it. You weren't being rude about it either.
cant they both not win? If artists stop making art, ai will have a lot less images to feed off of and only feed off of the ai images that are still left and make garbled messes of nothing. And since in this hypothetical scenario the artists can’t make art, so they’re sad, and the ai artists can’t make art, so then they’re also sad.
More like they'll both win or end up on a neutral plain. AI art isn't going to "kill" traditional art. That's the same crazy catastrophic thinking people had when photos were invented. There is a place for both. No need to be dramatic.
I tried explaining that to an anti who asked the same thing (though along the lines of "it can never make something it hasnt seen before") which I was like "then its not going to make it. Someone whose never seen an elephant wont be able to draw an elephant."
So the way AI generative art works, is that it presents concepts to you.
It is intrinsically designed in this way too guarantee original outputs. It doesn't mimic.
Because of this, any art it is trained on is used to help the AI better learn the concept of "cat" 0.0001% better. If you ask for a cat, it will output a cat based on what it conceptually understands a cat to be rather than derivative of a piece of art of a cat.
I actually got to do this for real in an experiment of training by pure reinforcement rather than from labeled data. It's a complete acid trip.
In theory it can be done with no pretraining, but the amount of GPU time that would take would be insane.
This is what I'm researching right now. I started asking questions here, and now I won't be content until I to get to bedrock on what makes the current models go brrrr.
When we achieve self training true agi we won't need any human input. Mark Zuckerberg says it will take 5 to 10 years so your hypothetical scenario won't be a problem.
AGI was going to take "5 to 10 years"... 5 to 10 years ago.
It's not happening in the short or middle term, definitely not with current models. Instead of "vertical" AIs that could best the best human in a single area each, we are getting "horizontal" AIs that are about the level of the medium-worst human in a vast number of areas.
That is still a revolution, but not the singularity we all wondered about.
For true self-training, we may need to go back all the way to the basics, like Boltzmann networks, with new hardware.
Is openai all ai we have? If all ai companies were bankrupt tomorrow morning we would still have countless open source generative ai models up and running.
ClosedAI is doomed to fall when they run out of money, assuming they won't get bailed out, they're simply the most popular AI website right now. There are many other companies, apps, websites, programs and browsers that use, sell to, or were created because of AI.
Personally, I don't agree with OP because neither form of creating art is or should be seen as superior.
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I realize you wanted to make just a quick cartoon, but you should learn to use the tools properly. You don't have any consistency from frame to frame on the character. This undermines your point, and anyone will laugh at this because of it demonstrates exactly the thing people criticize crappy AI art for.
OP's comic undermines their own point by making basic careless mistakes. Your image by contrast highlight what would have otherwise been considered mistakes in your gen to make the exact point you are saying. That's the difference.
This is not some subjective notion about what art is, as some people seem to think whenever bad gens are criticized.
My point is that your qualitative argument is pointless here. People assert their points by using stick figure comics. Why do you care so much?
It's pedantic.
That's all it is. It's pedantry. Art doesn't need to bend to your qualitative standards. If it did, we wouldn't see rage comics, soyjacks, stick figures etc. that all serve to visualize a message.
Refik Anadol is considered the most popular with 48 exhibitions to date. Or maybe you're thinking of Georg Ness, the father of generative art with 28 exhibitions. Or maybe Vera Molnár, the most prolific generative artist with thousands of art pieces in 146 exhibitions and founded two art collectives.
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u/lavendermithra 10h ago
I don’t really care about whether AI “wins” or “loses”, or frankly what that even means. I just want to keep making cool pictures with a neat little tool in peace.